Newbie Student Mafia XXII - Page 58

-Celestial-

United Kingdom3867 Posts

August 09 2016 01:43 GMT

#1141

"Wants to lynch either KSC or BTDT at this point; FINALLY something negative about you, but merely saying that your case is full of holes not that he'd lynch you. I also have no idea what case he's referring to here, this is actually super weird because I don't think you MADE a case:"

EBWOP: I went back and took a look at the thread around this time.

I THINK he might not be saying "scott's case" but "the case on scott". Just the previous page I'd filter-dived scott: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=25916284

In which case I can't find anything anywhere in Lunatic's filter where he said anything negative about scott. The closest he got was calling my case on him nice but also tempering that by saying its "full of holes".

-Celestial-

United Kingdom3867 Posts

August 09 2016 01:44 GMT

#1142

I don't think he ever pointed OUT any holes though.

-Celestial-

United Kingdom3867 Posts

August 09 2016 01:54 GMT

#1143

May as well throw my vote in. Its pretty obvious why from the last few posts I made:

##Vote: Scott31337

-Celestial-

United Kingdom3867 Posts

August 09 2016 02:18 GMT

#1144

"The only time he ever voted you that I can find was here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=25916399

At which point he already had 6 votes on him, the vote on you took you to 2 and roughly ten minutes later he took the vote off you and put it on KSC."

Actually he had 7 votes on him at that point. I missed the KSC vote and it wasn't included in the total count in the next vote update for some reason (it says 6 but there are 7 names).

Doesn't actually change anything though.

-Celestial-

United Kingdom3867 Posts

August 09 2016 02:18 GMT

#1145

That was an EBWOP by the way.

J Roc

96 Posts

August 09 2016 02:23 GMT

#1146

I am still reading. Scott is the lynch btw.

Skynx was starting to look like he would be up for lynch today. So why kill him? Well who was he scum reading?

On August 08 2016 17:56 Skynx wrote:
Other voters have to explain themselves. Mafia didn't even bus lol this is such a wtf game. Silent and celest earned eternal towncred. I'm not scum.
Btdt needs a bit of a re-read but he's putting effort right now.
Comes down to Onegu vs Scott. Onegu has been tunneling Scott since min1 so I doubt he's the last one here.
Scott should be the vote for now. Time to re-read if he's town which would be unfortunate.

I would have most likely stayed on scott. Skynx was going on scott and. Other people had scott as maybe scum. Scott needed to get rid of one of the people who were going to vote him. And killing me would have screamed scott is mafia.. Will go through the other filters tonight/tomorrow to double check. Scott is last scum most likely.

Also look how he came into the thread. Celest and onegu need to figure out which of them is scum... That makes no sense at all as a post.

##Vote: Scott

J Roc

96 Posts

August 09 2016 02:26 GMT

#1147

Silent isnt scum at all as he could have just switched his vote and luna wouldnt have been lynched. No reason for him to bus there, even more so if scum knew MD was going to get modkilled.

scott31337

United States2979 Posts

August 09 2016 02:58 GMT

#1148

Jroc-

Celestial -

Name who you will lynch next after I flip town.

scott31337

United States2979 Posts

August 09 2016 03:14 GMT

#1149

+ Show Spoiler [Don't look] +

I'm town.

You didn't even think of J roc, or anyone else being scum and you are going after me.

J roc's post shows me a little bit he's rethinking the game.

Please re-think if you are town.

I'm drinking tonight, I'll reply to your posts tomorrow. Like I said, I've had a really shitty week.

-Celestial-

United Kingdom3867 Posts

August 09 2016 03:55 GMT

#1150

On August 09 2016 12:14 scott31337 wrote:
You didn't even think of J roc, or anyone else being scum and you are going after me.

No, I didn't. Because nobody else aligned with coming from a scum mentality except MAYBE Skynx. I've been thinking about it since the two scum flips so when Skynx died it left you as the best chance of lynching mafia.

silent is pretty much town for certain. Several incidents have piled up to make it near impossible that he's the last mafia.

BTDT I didn't like for much of the game but relatively recently a whole bunch of indicators have come along. Also, no way does he write that big night post scumming the hell out of Skynx, only for Skynx to be killed and flip town. No way.

J Roc has been consistently and constantly calling for your lynch all game. And his posts are fairly good and seem to be from a town mindset.

You, meanwhile, have posted some stuff that felt icky and then had virtually no further posts. There's a handful of very weak comments in there, mostly sheeping stuff. And a handful of promises to do stuff that never materialised for whatever reason. You've only popped up now with an attempt to scum me; but your arguments are falling apart at the seams, I've already pointed out an outright lie and attempt to deceive just before.

On top of that without even properly diving them, just skimming, I keep finding bits in Lunatic's and Moosy's filters defending you, towning you or generally casting shade on those coming anywhere near to scumming you. Hell even NOW just quickly checking J Roc's filter and looking at a couple posts in context I find this post:

On August 02 2016 22:03 MoosyDoosy wrote:

Show nested quote +

This is the weird part of the low hanging fruits. There should have been a Mafia on Race Bannon because he was too easy a chance to kill especially when we look at the list of people voting for him:
KSC
mderg
Stutters
btdt
J Roc

KSC is null-town for me right now, mderg flipped town, and Stutters is fairly town. That leaves us with btdt and J Roc and btdt is the more likely. Especially considering he had such shit reason to vote Race Bannon in the first place because he tried to make up a reason to show RB as scummy when the spammy stuff RB was doing was completely NAI. If you look at the final votecount, you see that Grack/silent were on every possible wagon except for the btdt one as well. I'm pretty sure the team is btdt/Grack/silent.

Moosy REALLY pushing the idea that there has to be a mafia on the original RB train (missing the fact that J Roc actually voted for you, i.e. scott). On the basis that it was a super easy bus to make. What do we make of this thing? mderg and Stutters both flipped green. KSC flipped blue. The one he's really pushing is BTDT who is unlikely scum at this stage. His team is BTDT/Grack/silent thanks to the association on votes he was pushing. Grack has since flipped town too.

In light of him being mafia its not unreasonable to assume the reason Moosy was pushing this idea that there was a scum on that train is because there was no scum on there. Sure, it was a super easy bus to make but you don't HAVE to take it. Especially if its likely said person will be replaced. Its also a super easy idea to push in the mind of everyone, because its something people will accept quite easily.

Right now my elimination path would be you and then...I guess J Roc if you flip town because he's wanted you dead all game. I dunno, I guess I'd have to see who was left alive and re-read the entire game. But based on everything I've read so far its unbelievably unlikely you flip town here.

I guess tomorrow I'll go through the two mafia flipped filters again to see if I'm missing anything. Can't hurt, but I don't think so.

scott31337

United States2979 Posts

August 09 2016 07:00 GMT

#1151

On August 09 2016 11:58 scott31337 wrote:
Jroc-

Celestial -

Name who you will lynch next after I flip town.

Everyone playing

Name who you will lynch next after I flip town

silentwarrior

131 Posts

August 09 2016 17:40 GMT

#1152

On August 09 2016 10:36 -Celestial- wrote:
Direct question here:

BTDT and silent....in light of all of the above garbage, my dissections of scott's filter and the outright lies he's just been peddling...is scott still hard town for you?

Because if he is I'm done with this game. This is goddamn stupid.

The biggest reason he was town for me was his intro and the fact that Lunatic voted for him. But didn't notice before that lunatic already had 6 votes on him at that point. He has at the very least gone down far from being hard town. May want to investigate more on him.

silentwarrior

131 Posts

August 09 2016 17:48 GMT

#1153

But I am quite puzzled by last nights kill. There was a decent chance that skynx would be lynched, and there are a lot better options for night kill. I see 3 reasons for killing skyns.
1. The most obvious town players had townread the mafia
2. Skynx had scumread mafia and he wanted rid of him
3. He was trying to cast shade on the ones that skynx had scumread.

I don't think 2 is likely, it would be too suspicous tbh.
Can say as of right now, I consider only btdt as the only town apart from me. Rest I am unsure about.

J Roc

96 Posts

August 09 2016 18:30 GMT

#1154

On August 10 2016 02:48 silentwarrior wrote:
But I am quite puzzled by last nights kill. There was a decent chance that skynx would be lynched, and there are a lot better options for night kill. I see 3 reasons for killing skyns.
1. The most obvious town players had townread the mafia
2. Skynx had scumread mafia and he wanted rid of him
3. He was trying to cast shade on the ones that skynx had scumread.

I don't think 2 is likely, it would be too suspicous tbh.
Can say as of right now, I consider only btdt as the only town apart from me. Rest I am unsure about.

Number 2 is most likely. First off most people dont read dead peoples filters.

1 why would that matter? If the most town people were read scum correctly scum would kill them because they appeared town. Most people dont look at who someone was scum reading.

3 again who cares most people dont check who people were scum reading when they die. First rule for newbie mafia, kill the people who are correct and will be pushsing you.

People shouldnt try to read wifom into the nk.

The fact skynx was killed doesnt change the fact that scott is scummy anyway. Skynx scum reading scott is also a point against scott but not a big one. It def isnt a point for scott to be town read.

silentwarrior

131 Posts

August 09 2016 19:04 GMT

#1155

On August 10 2016 03:30 J Roc wrote:

Show nested quote +

People do check dead peoples reads, that even happened in this game.

1 would matter a lot. For example I am seen as pretty town since, but can easily be wrong about the last mafia which is why I wasn't killed last night. I might have townread last mafia, in which case me living helps him more than dying.

You just used wifom about nk against scott, but say it dosen't matter? All I was trying to do by that post was show that nk could be done for multiple reasons. It was posted in response to you saying nk is a point against scott, which I think it's not.

-Celestial-

United Kingdom3867 Posts

August 09 2016 19:17 GMT

#1156

On August 10 2016 02:40 silentwarrior wrote:
The biggest reason he was town for me was his intro and the fact that Lunatic voted for him. But didn't notice before that lunatic already had 6 votes on him at that point. He has at the very least gone down far from being hard town. May want to investigate more on him.

I honestly still don't get why people like scott's intro tbh. It came across to me as incredibly flimsy.

But yes, Lunatic's vote on scott was literally a ~10 minute affair when Lunatic was already being lynched by six votes.

I think I already addressed this above but to reiterate:
- if scum!scott kills you or BTDT then he removes one of the two people hard towning him, leaving him in a game with three people scumming him and one towning.
- if scum!scott kills me or J Roc then it invites heavy suspicion because both of us have been banging that drum all day (in fact J Roc been banging it all game). Which might make people reassess.
- consequently the safest possibility for a scum!scott is to kill Skynx. Skynx wasn't as verbal about wanting to kill him, but was still scumming him: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=25925912

That reduces it to a 2v2 scenario with two townreading him and two scumreading him. Which is why he's trying to put me and J Roc as head to head.

BTW: 1 and 2 are not mutually exclusive; both you and BTDT are basically impossible to lynch today given the indicators over the past couple days, you're both hard town for today at least. And you're both reading scott as town and Skynx was scumming him. Which means 2 of your 3 reasons are true in the event it was scott pulling the trigger there.

This is all WIFOMable of course. But its a fairly simple case of deduction here. I don't think its reaching too much.

-Celestial-

United Kingdom3867 Posts

August 09 2016 19:37 GMT

#1157

I already pointed out in this post some times where Lunatic was defensive for RB/scott and/or made excuses for him.

Lets do the same with Moosy:

Straight away claiming that RB was just spamming for the sake of spamming and telling everyone to ignore him entirely for the first day. RB's stuff was NAI but this is REALLY pushing the limit of how far we can just ignore it: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=25902875

Doesn't like policy lynches (in respect to the idea of plynching RB): http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=25902985

"60% sure RB was town": http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=25903312

Moosy agreeing with Lunatic that RB's stuff has no bearing on the game (arguably true, but an interesting interaction given that its between both scum and they're agreeing on this): http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=25903317

Minimal interaction between scott and Moosy, doesn't really push him just asks for an opinion and then says he's disappointed by the null read, but no attempt to pressure: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=25904309

Pushing the "there was 100% a mafia on the RB wagon" thing super hard, in combination with scott claiming the same: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=25905861

"there has to be a Mafia on Race Bannon train and only real viable option is btdt": http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=25916581

OH MY GOD GUYS THERE HAS TO BE A MAFIA ON THE RB WAGON AND ITS BTDT, SEEING THE PATTERN YET, ANYONE?: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=25917020

Moosy spent like...virtually all of the game that I can see totally focused on two things:
1. the idea that there HAS to be a mafia on the RB wagon
and
2. the idea that it HAS to be BTDT

This indicates to me two things respectively:
1. since Moosy was pushing that so hard all game there probably wasn't actually a mafia on the RB plynch wagon
and
2. BTDT probably isn't scum

Since silent is pretty much never scum here the last mafia is either scott or J Roc. And I'm liking scott for it way more based on their respective filters and arguments and the attitudes the flipped mafia have towards them.

On a side note I also caught this in skimming through, useful interactions:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=25905844
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=25905857