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beentheredonethat
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His day 1 posting pattern is really weird. Lot's of fluff ("I am blue"), early, unreasoned vote on Stutters ("Happy Birthday")... On July 31 2016 17:00 J Roc wrote: RIP. Thought first post meant you were confirmed town on this site. Guess thats only true if you get a role PM. But he drops that style at the point where silentwarrior comes up with his Kelsier read. On July 31 2016 20:31 J Roc wrote: This post. Spaming the thread doesnt help town in anyway. If anything it shuts down discussion because people dont want to deal with him. Normally I dont like policy lynches day one but here I dont mind the vote going on Bannon. Your problem is that someone posting shouldnt be voted. But when that person is doing nothing constructive and just posting nonsense it does nothing. So you reason for voting Kelsier is bad. While I dont like the fact that he said be back in a few days I had no problem with his vote and dont like your reason for voting him when he is putting pressure on someone who frankly needs pressure put on him. I think anyone would agree with Silentwarrior there but what I find highly interesting is that J Roc completely disagrees with what Silent said about Kelsier. Why? I think silent's point there are really good. The thing is however that kelsier flipped town so there's no way that his is mafia soft defending an inactive teammate. But what I can see there is that J Roc is defending a vote on RB. RB would've been an easy mislynch for scum had he continued his spam. Next thing that is weird is the vote on scott: On August 01 2016 20:30 J Roc wrote: Just something real quick and I will be back later. I really hated scotts entrance. Race Bannons actions completely null and the fact that he came in here saying he knew RB was town from a obs point of view is really off to me. Also the dude who wrote the huge post. You have pocketed me. Well played. Not voting you. Ill be back later. ##Vote: Scott He says that RB's actions were null. He points out my post about RB, scumreading me for that post. Scott does the same, which implies that scott agrees with Roc at this point. But he completely disregards that. Instead he votes scott (who still has a weak position at this point because he comes off of the RB replacement and IMHO could've been an easy mislynch if mafia dared to push him) because he thinks that an observation from OUTSIDE THE GAME is alignment indicative? That does not make any sense to me, at all, and feels like scum seemingly having found a pain point that can be pushed. I am absolutely not liking that post. Talking about a scott mislynch, it looks like that's how J Roc perceived it indeed: On August 02 2016 08:36 J Roc wrote: Wasn't very productive and we let Scott make a few posts then fuck off while the wagon moved off of him I completely disagree with the scum read of Scott. Completely. The reasoning behind this read is simply bad and highly constructed. Yet he still stresses it, without any follow up, without bringing scott back to the thread's attention. Instead, mderg defense: On August 02 2016 06:33 J Roc wrote: I'm not lynching mderg. I agree with a lot of his reads. At this point, many people want to lynch mderg. This can easily be scum, trying to gain town cred for voting outside the wagon. On August 02 2016 08:34 J Roc wrote: Was against a mderg lynch the whole time "Look, I knew it." His following reads during the night phase say Rels and Scott are scum, while he does not react to Moosy although being explicitely asked about Moosy - by Moosy. Also he engages in discussion with Moosy and starts agreeing on Moosy's vote analysis bullshit. While they had opposite opinions before, J Roc abandons his scott push at this point and follows Moosy. Why? But yeah, after that short excursion he goes back to scott. Then he leaves completely: On August 07 2016 06:53 J Roc wrote: Have free time this evening after dota battle cup. Will do stuff I promise That never happened. Given that J Roc went for scott since D1 and never really stopped, I think he's pushing an agenda. It actually makes sense, scum needed only one more mislynch to win before moosy was modkilled. And pushing a player with two pages of filter that is being scumread already by others (-> Celestial, who has a high level of town cred) feels like the easy thing to do. In D1, it's safe to vote outside the town wagon. D2, the push can be kept up, and once D3 has started, things look good: thread put me under suspicion (first potential mislynch), and if that fails, there's always scott (second potential mislynch). We're lucky that Moosy was modkilled tbh. I think J Roc is scum and we should vote him. If J Roc flips town which I find highly unlikely, I'd go for Scott. Or at least that's what I would do now. We're in a very good situation but we really need to carefully look into what we do next. | ||
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Skynx
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Btdt needs a bit of a re-read but he's putting effort right now. Comes down to Onegu vs Scott. Onegu has been tunneling Scott since min1 so I doubt he's the last one here. Scott should be the vote for now. Time to re-read if he's town which would be unfortunate. | ||
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beentheredonethat
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On August 02 2016 03:18 Skynx wrote: Rels should be the lynch I'm afraid. No one really sticks out to me. This is basically the essence of Skynx Day 1. He doesn't do much, bantering here and there a little bit, and filling the first page of his filter. No strong opinions, no pushes. Interestingly enough, his first interactions are with Lunatic and Moosy, followed up by interactions with me about my "Race Bannon" which at this point is the easiest way to go. He tries to stop the scott train: On August 02 2016 03:51 Skynx wrote: Anyway 1st things 1st, mderg, stutters, KSC and jroc pls move away from Scott there is no way he is scum, thank you. Which again is interesting. I mean I stated in my post about J Roc how he is all about lynching scott. Skynx should have seen this and looked into J Roc at this point. He has a high interest in stopping the Scott train so anyone who's actively pushing that wagon should be suspicious to Skynx. On August 02 2016 05:26 Skynx wrote: Anyway I think this is my preferred priority algorythm for now: Rels>Stutters>btdt>Grack>silent So imo i liked gracks posts more than other two. Can't really quote out specific ones but his interactions felt more like natural towny to me. Rels is plynch, same with silent. We can also throw a curveball and go Luna if we don't want to deal with similar behavior cuz he didnt changed much but pretty sure he's town. Town>Town>Town>Town>Town. He wants to policy silent at this point but there's no way that silent should be a policy lynch. Weird thought process there, again. Nothing(!) about J Roc, still, although J Roc is still pushing scott. On a sidenote there's a lazy "could lynch Luna" thingy which might be scum mentioning his teammate so he has something to rely later on. Keep in mind, Lunatic was already under pressure from Silent and myself at this point. Then, Skynx completely ignores his "top 5 lynch priority" and goes for mderg. On August 02 2016 05:37 Skynx wrote: Hmm actually thats quite bad. Bunch of other stuff not really saying much. He also likes my comment saying RB is a lazy scumread. Like as inconsistent as it gets. On August 02 2016 05:44 Skynx wrote: Well since i gotta go bed tone based updates: Rels, Scott, stutters are town. Also not feeling like plynch as per stutters point so silent gets a pass. Grack is very very slightly above btdt for me. Mderg or btdt. Ends up on me though: On August 02 2016 19:35 Skynx wrote: It came down to both of them in the end and right before I leave stutters pointed out above. I figured I jumped to conclusions too quickly on mderg, hence btdt vote. And, finally, he goes back to his initial priority: On August 02 2016 20:51 Skynx wrote: And thats about it I guess. Rels/Grack/Silent is possible but prolly one of them is town. Alternatively add Scott in there and make it 2/4. Luna/KSC/btdt are really low hanging fruits, watch out for anyone pushing lynches on them early on based on activity/contribution. Celest/Stutters/Moosy/Jroc I won't be lynching for a while. I'm sure 3rd scum will giveaway stuff if we keep the track on them 4 on mderg train. Like, where is Skynx coming from here? Re-evaluating is a good thing. Townie. But he has thus far not actively pushed anyone. He's just dropping half-hearted reads, going with thread sentiment. Note how he calls Lunatic a low hanging fruit and warns people to not go for him while he puts MoosyDoosy on his town pile, completely ignoring my meta arguments. Since he voted me, he must've seen my meta arguments, right? On August 03 2016 14:25 Skynx wrote: Vig claim is a bad idea. We need to push mderg voters first, if not cc would be harder to analyse and/or even without cc claim might have less credit. Push first into have your own opinion based on responses is the way to go. Vig can be 1,2 or multishot. I doubt there is a finalised version of role distribution but mafia can prolly analyse if its a limited or multishot vig depending on their power roles. So that makes claim even worse. This is an outright lie. + Show Spoiler [Roles] + On July 23 2016 05:26 Shapelog wrote: Flavor setting: Roles: You are a Immigrant of Prosper! (Vt) You are in a bliss state, living in prosper, and take part in the governmental elections. You win with town. You are a Prosper Officer. You have been given special Privileges by the country of Onedia, and have be made a "Officer." You...Aren't entirely sure what a Officer is, but given the history books you have read, you know you can break into peoples houses! Once per night, you may break into a players houses, and see if they are up to no good. A course, you aren't that good at telling hard to understand crime, so any criminal mastermind (GF) will get away. But that shouldn't be a problem in Prosper. You win with town. You are a Medical student (doc)! While all citizens of Onedia knew basic medial procedures. But you know more detail procedures. Once per night, you may heal anyone one person of your choosing. Not that you need to, no one gets hurt around here anyways. You win with town. You are aProsper Citizen(vet)! You been around the town, and know all the alleyways. Therefore, in case of a dangerious threat, you have a extra life of sorts. You win with town. You are aOnedia "Escort"! Sometimes, newcommers just don't work out. So you get the pleasure of moving them for your country. Once per game, at night, you can remove (kill) any person that just arrived (one of the other players). You win with town. You are a Secret Rebel (goon)! You have your orders a upon arriving, do so. You will get a communicator (QT link), that will allow you to talk with your fellow mafia members. You win with the Rebels. You are A common sweet-talker (RB)! You were hired to come to Prosper, for a unknown reason. Who cares though, price was good. You are to each night, pick a person and stop them from doing anything to the morning by talking to them. You will get a communicator (QT link), that will allow you to talk with your fellow mafia members. You win with the Rebels. You are -Confidential Name- (GF) You are head of the Secret Rebel Organization. You decided this operation was worth you coming to the flied. You are good enough at blending in to not be detected by anyone. You will get a communicator (QT link), that will allow you to talk with your fellow mafia members. You win with the Rebels. The role distribution among the scum team is not random. The "power role distribution" that Skynx describes is always the same as the role descriptions imply. If that is not the case, only scum would know. Let's make sure this is not the case (although if that question gets answered with "yes", it would modconfirm Skynx as scum... lol) [b]Are there any scum roles in the game that have not been described within the role section of the OP? Absolutely not liking this post from Skynx. Content wise, I disagree with the vig not claiming. Rels was at this point subject to heavy suspicion and was an easy mislynch target for scum at this point. His claim was good, also because the possibility of a doctor was within the setup. Having confirmed town makes things always easier for town imho. Interestingly enough, he doesn't care for what confirmed town says: On August 05 2016 04:32 Skynx wrote: On August 04 2016 17:45 Rels wrote: Yeah Lunatic dude couldn't help but post every 30 seconds in the previous game, but can't be assed to post for days here. Mafia, or he has some IRL urgencies. Let's hope it's not the latter. Or he took lessons from last game. On August 05 2016 04:42 Skynx wrote: Guys Lunatic is not the lynch here... ##Vote: Silentwarrior Like - what? This is an incredibly bad vote. On August 05 2016 04:49 Skynx wrote: D1 pattern: silent pushes stutters > stutters is getting townread > people jump off scott train to silent train > Rels starts mderg train > their only interaction in game happens: On August 02 2016 07:18 Rels wrote: These posts are townie: So I'm not sure of anything on Stutters. >silent votes mderg to survive The reasoning is dumb - of course silent votes mderg to survive. I would've done the same. On August 05 2016 05:34 Skynx wrote: Celest who you wanna lynch? Lunatic won't flip scum. Hard defense. And look at this: [B]On August 05 2016 05:36 Skynx wrote: Can we shennanie KSC/btdt? You said they have equal chances with Luna, Rels. I'm happy with one of Scott/btdt/KSC. "Can we shannanie the guys that I put in the low hanging fruit category and warned everyone else to lynch them?" This makes no sense. Skynx is probably even more likely to flip scum than J Roc. Both dropped fairly under the radar of everyone. I will now leave the thread and think a bit more, reread my own posts about the remaining five and see if I can get even more value into that thread. | ||
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J Roc
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On August 08 2016 17:55 beentheredonethat wrote: J Roc His day 1 posting pattern is really weird. Lot's of fluff ("I am blue"), early, unreasoned vote on Stutters ("Happy Birthday")... But he drops that style at the point where silentwarrior comes up with his Kelsier read. I think anyone would agree with Silentwarrior there but what I find highly interesting is that J Roc completely disagrees with what Silent said about Kelsier. Why? I think silent's point there are really good. The thing is however that kelsier flipped town so there's no way that his is mafia soft defending an inactive teammate. But what I can see there is that J Roc is defending a vote on RB. RB would've been an easy mislynch for scum had he continued his spam. Next thing that is weird is the vote on scott: He says that RB's actions were null. He points out my post about RB, scumreading me for that post. Scott does the same, which implies that scott agrees with Roc at this point. But he completely disregards that. Instead he votes scott (who still has a weak position at this point because he comes off of the RB replacement and IMHO could've been an easy mislynch if mafia dared to push him) because he thinks that an observation from OUTSIDE THE GAME is alignment indicative? That does not make any sense to me, at all, and feels like scum seemingly having found a pain point that can be pushed. I am absolutely not liking that post. Talking about a scott mislynch, it looks like that's how J Roc perceived it indeed: I completely disagree with the scum read of Scott. Completely. The reasoning behind this read is simply bad and highly constructed. Yet he still stresses it, without any follow up, without bringing scott back to the thread's attention. Instead, mderg defense: At this point, many people want to lynch mderg. This can easily be scum, trying to gain town cred for voting outside the wagon. "Look, I knew it." His following reads during the night phase say Rels and Scott are scum, while he does not react to Moosy although being explicitely asked about Moosy - by Moosy. Also he engages in discussion with Moosy and starts agreeing on Moosy's vote analysis bullshit. While they had opposite opinions before, J Roc abandons his scott push at this point and follows Moosy. Why? But yeah, after that short excursion he goes back to scott. Then he leaves completely: That never happened. Given that J Roc went for scott since D1 and never really stopped, I think he's pushing an agenda. It actually makes sense, scum needed only one more mislynch to win before moosy was modkilled. And pushing a player with two pages of filter that is being scumread already by others (-> Celestial, who has a high level of town cred) feels like the easy thing to do. In D1, it's safe to vote outside the town wagon. D2, the push can be kept up, and once D3 has started, things look good: thread put me under suspicion (first potential mislynch), and if that fails, there's always scott (second potential mislynch). We're lucky that Moosy was modkilled tbh. I think J Roc is scum and we should vote him. If J Roc flips town which I find highly unlikely, I'd go for Scott. Or at least that's what I would do now. We're in a very good situation but we really need to carefully look into what we do next. No my point was you shouldnt have a read on RB at all. | ||
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J Roc
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scott31337
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Girl is doing better, she still needs some help around the house - and work is picking up as well. I just glanced at the N3 post and seen we got two mafia! I'll find a way to get some time after the daypost. | ||
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Skynx
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On August 08 2016 18:23 beentheredonethat wrote: Skynx This is basically the essence of Skynx Day 1. He doesn't do much, bantering here and there a little bit, and filling the first page of his filter. No strong opinions, no pushes. Interestingly enough, his first interactions are with Lunatic and Moosy, followed up by interactions with me about my "Race Bannon" which at this point is the easiest way to go. He tries to stop the scott train: Which again is interesting. I mean I stated in my post about J Roc how he is all about lynching scott. Skynx should have seen this and looked into J Roc at this point. He has a high interest in stopping the Scott train so anyone who's actively pushing that wagon should be suspicious to Skynx. Town>Town>Town>Town>Town. He wants to policy silent at this point but there's no way that silent should be a policy lynch. Weird thought process there, again. Nothing(!) about J Roc, still, although J Roc is still pushing scott. On a sidenote there's a lazy "could lynch Luna" thingy which might be scum mentioning his teammate so he has something to rely later on. Keep in mind, Lunatic was already under pressure from Silent and myself at this point. Then, Skynx completely ignores his "top 5 lynch priority" and goes for mderg. Ends up on me though: And, finally, he goes back to his initial priority: Like, where is Skynx coming from here? Re-evaluating is a good thing. Townie. But he has thus far not actively pushed anyone. He's just dropping half-hearted reads, going with thread sentiment. Note how he calls Lunatic a low hanging fruit and warns people to not go for him while he puts MoosyDoosy on his town pile, completely ignoring my meta arguments. Since he voted me, he must've seen my meta arguments, right? This is an outright lie. + Show Spoiler [Roles] + On July 23 2016 05:26 Shapelog wrote: Flavor setting: Roles: You are a Immigrant of Prosper! (Vt) You are in a bliss state, living in prosper, and take part in the governmental elections. You win with town. You are a Prosper Officer. You have been given special Privileges by the country of Onedia, and have be made a "Officer." You...Aren't entirely sure what a Officer is, but given the history books you have read, you know you can break into peoples houses! Once per night, you may break into a players houses, and see if they are up to no good. A course, you aren't that good at telling hard to understand crime, so any criminal mastermind (GF) will get away. But that shouldn't be a problem in Prosper. You win with town. You are a Medical student (doc)! While all citizens of Onedia knew basic medial procedures. But you know more detail procedures. Once per night, you may heal anyone one person of your choosing. Not that you need to, no one gets hurt around here anyways. You win with town. You are aProsper Citizen(vet)! You been around the town, and know all the alleyways. Therefore, in case of a dangerious threat, you have a extra life of sorts. You win with town. You are aOnedia "Escort"! Sometimes, newcommers just don't work out. So you get the pleasure of moving them for your country. Once per game, at night, you can remove (kill) any person that just arrived (one of the other players). You win with town. You are a Secret Rebel (goon)! You have your orders a upon arriving, do so. You will get a communicator (QT link), that will allow you to talk with your fellow mafia members. You win with the Rebels. You are A common sweet-talker (RB)! You were hired to come to Prosper, for a unknown reason. Who cares though, price was good. You are to each night, pick a person and stop them from doing anything to the morning by talking to them. You will get a communicator (QT link), that will allow you to talk with your fellow mafia members. You win with the Rebels. You are -Confidential Name- (GF) You are head of the Secret Rebel Organization. You decided this operation was worth you coming to the flied. You are good enough at blending in to not be detected by anyone. You will get a communicator (QT link), that will allow you to talk with your fellow mafia members. You win with the Rebels. The role distribution among the scum team is not random. The "power role distribution" that Skynx describes is always the same as the role descriptions imply. If that is not the case, only scum would know. Let's make sure this is not the case (although if that question gets answered with "yes", it would modconfirm Skynx as scum... lol) Are there any scum roles in the game that have not been described within the role section of the OP? Absolutely not liking this post from Skynx. Content wise, I disagree with the vig not claiming. Rels was at this point subject to heavy suspicion and was an easy mislynch target for scum at this point. His claim was good, also because the possibility of a doctor was within the setup. Having confirmed town makes things always easier for town imho. Interestingly enough, he doesn't care for what confirmed town says: On August 05 2016 04:32 Skynx wrote: On August 04 2016 17:45 Rels wrote: Yeah Lunatic dude couldn't help but post every 30 seconds in the previous game, but can't be assed to post for days here. Mafia, or he has some IRL urgencies. Let's hope it's not the latter. Or he took lessons from last game. On August 05 2016 04:42 Skynx wrote: Guys Lunatic is not the lynch here... ##Vote: Silentwarrior Like - what? This is an incredibly bad vote. On August 05 2016 04:49 Skynx wrote: D1 pattern: silent pushes stutters > stutters is getting townread > people jump off scott train to silent train > Rels starts mderg train > their only interaction in game happens: On August 02 2016 07:18 Rels wrote: These posts are townie: So I'm not sure of anything on Stutters. >silent votes mderg to survive The reasoning is dumb - of course silent votes mderg to survive. I would've done the same. On August 05 2016 05:34 Skynx wrote: Celest who you wanna lynch? Lunatic won't flip scum. Hard defense. And look at this: On August 05 2016 05:36 Skynx wrote: Can we shennanie KSC/btdt? You said they have equal chances with Luna, Rels. I'm happy with one of Scott/btdt/KSC. "Can we shannanie the guys that I put in the low hanging fruit category and warned everyone else to lynch them?" This makes no sense. Skynx is probably even more likely to flip scum than J Roc. Both dropped fairly under the radar of everyone. I will now leave the thread and think a bit more, reread my own posts about the remaining five and see if I can get even more value into that thread. All fair points. You earned your place for at least not getting lynched befoer Scott. However, you are wrong in most of them and unfortunately for you, while it may seem to you that you make sense with your points, I'm not scum. I play borderline due to the aggressive nature of my play and most people tend to stay in the struggling zone that celest is in right now i guess. He tries to stop the scott train: On August 02 2016 03:51 Skynx wrote: Anyway 1st things 1st, mderg, stutters, KSC and jroc pls move away from Scott there is no way he is scum, thank you. Which again is interesting. I mean I stated in my post about J Roc how he is all about lynching scott. Skynx should have seen this and looked into J Roc at this point. He has a high interest in stopping the Scott train so anyone who's actively pushing that wagon should be suspicious to Skynx. Wrong, actively pushing someone is not a mafia trait. Mafia is all about keeping their options open and being friends with everyone while trying to push an agenda on the sly. Mafia's pushes aren't out there, they can't afford to tunnel. Jroc wasn't even considering other options than Scott, he was sure he's on a track, nothing suspicious here. On August 02 2016 05:26 Skynx wrote: Anyway I think this is my preferred priority algorythm for now: Rels>Stutters>btdt>Grack>silent So imo i liked gracks posts more than other two. Can't really quote out specific ones but his interactions felt more like natural towny to me. Rels is plynch, same with silent. We can also throw a curveball and go Luna if we don't want to deal with similar behavior cuz he didnt changed much but pretty sure he's town. Town>Town>Town>Town>Town. [b]He wants to policy silent at this point but there's no way that silent should be a policy lynch. Weird thought process there, again. Nothing(!) about J Roc, still, although J Roc is still pushing scott. On a sidenote there's a lazy "could lynch Luna" thingy which might be scum mentioning his teammate so he has something to rely later on. Keep in mind, Lunatic was already under pressure from Silent and myself at this point. Then, Skynx completely ignores his "top 5 lynch priority" and goes for mderg. flips (or not yet flips) don't matter on analysis here, you can't really use that as a tool, every read there had reasoning behind them at that point in time. Rels was policy, not posting a single thing for 46.5 hours. Stutters, you and grack had a thing going on, I pointed out there was one mafia, interesting how you skipped quoting that. I don't understand what you mean with bold. He did more only compared to rels at that point. Read the luna point as lazy as you want, I did point out why he would be a good lynch. I'm not making it out of nothing. I have interacted with him in total more than anyone in this site here, he cannot be read the way you guys did also due to the nature of his posting style. So I trusted my instinctive analysis and decided not to scumread him. What I did in the end however, is I moved with the town and voted Lunatic D2. Then, Skynx completely ignores his "top 5 lynch priority" and goes for mderg. On August 02 2016 05:37 Skynx wrote: Show nested quote + Show nested quote + Hmm actually thats quite bad. Bunch of other stuff not really saying much. He also likes my comment saying RB is a lazy scumread. Like as inconsistent as it gets. On August 02 2016 05:44 Skynx wrote: Well since i gotta go bed tone based updates: Rels, Scott, stutters are town. Also not feeling like plynch as per stutters point so silent gets a pass. Grack is very very slightly above btdt for me. Mderg or btdt. Ends up on me though: On August 02 2016 19:35 Skynx wrote: Show nested quote + It came down to both of them in the end and right before I leave stutters pointed out above. I figured I jumped to conclusions too quickly on mderg, hence btdt vote. And, finally, he goes back to his initial priority: On August 02 2016 20:51 Skynx wrote: And thats about it I guess. Rels/Grack/Silent is possible but prolly one of them is town. Alternatively add Scott in there and make it 2/4. Luna/KSC/btdt are really low hanging fruits, watch out for anyone pushing lynches on them early on based on activity/contribution. Celest/Stutters/Moosy/Jroc I won't be lynching for a while. I'm sure 3rd scum will giveaway stuff if we keep the track on them 4 on mderg train. Like, where is Skynx coming from here? Re-evaluating is a good thing. Townie. But he has thus far not actively pushed anyone. He's just dropping half-hearted reads, going with thread sentiment. Note how he calls Lunatic a low hanging fruit and warns people to not go for him while he puts MoosyDoosy on his town pile, completely ignoring my meta arguments. Since he voted me, he must've seen my meta arguments, right? Ok, we are at halfway N1 at this point. please point number of people who has actively pushed someone at this point with a hand, then scumread me for it. Lunatic is a low hanging fruit. No one even doubted that, he did nothing at all, nothing, easy target for mafia. Moosy on the other hand made a sick analysis on how silent and grack votes were always together, he convinced me and celest. What is your meta argument? Moosy is trolly normally so when he's not trolly he should be mafia? Thats wifom at best thats why I ignore Moosy until he makes sense, usually around D2-3, your meta is invalid, should be therefore ignored. On August 03 2016 14:25 Skynx wrote: Show nested quote + Vig claim is a bad idea. We need to push mderg voters first, if not cc would be harder to analyse and/or even without cc claim might have less credit. Push first into have your own opinion based on responses is the way to go. Vig can be 1,2 or multishot. I doubt there is a finalised version of role distribution but mafia can prolly analyse if its a limited or multishot vig depending on their power roles. So that makes claim even worse. This is an outright lie. + Show Spoiler [Roles] + The role distribution among the scum team is not random. The "power role distribution" that Skynx describes is always the same as the role descriptions imply. If that is not the case, only scum would know. Let's make sure this is not the case (although if that question gets answered with "yes", it would modconfirm Skynx as scum... lol) [b]Are there any scum roles in the game that have not been described within the role section of the OP? Absolutely not liking this post from Skynx. Content wise, I disagree with the vig not claiming. Rels was at this point subject to heavy suspicion and was an easy mislynch target for scum at this point. His claim was good, also because the possibility of a doctor was within the setup. Having confirmed town makes things always easier for town imho. Meh, I guess being from #freedom #eagle land helps with the mediatic manipulation in written form [b]THATS A LIE No it is not. If mafia has a 2-shot roleblocker it only makes sense they analyse vig to be 2-shot and therefore they would shoot rels that night if that was the case, so its not a good claim. It's common sense. You screwing up your own claim past game doesn't help with bitterness I know but you looking to make my point a "modconfirmed scumclaim" is pretty hilarious. I don't want to discredit you but I'm not gona waste typing time on the rest. My tunnel on silent is explained everywhere, to rels, to him, etc. Lunatic read is the same as always, you are just parroting your own thoughts to make it sound worse every time. Altho alright. Let's think from another point. Why would i vote Lunatic as scum D2 then? I got no cred for it anyway, I actively defended him all game? KSC popped in I fired shots at him, people switched on him when I was away. I could've went on KSC cuz I was sure of my point on Lunatic being town, no one would blame me for it and I would get equally discredited for either vote, why bus my teammate when I'm certainly gona be away in eod? I could've helped saving him while getting equal credit for the vote. I mean you are wrong on so many stuff here, some of them are as clear as day. You are trying to push the same idea in like 3 paragraphs. However, I as a very tunnelling person see where you coming from and get your mindset. Doesn't entirely clear you as town but gets you a pass today. | ||
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Skynx
Turkey7150 Posts
On August 08 2016 21:33 silentwarrior wrote: Ok, just did a quick dive of skynx filter and I have to say I agree with a lot of what btdt says. His D2 voting was weird, first he says he won't lynch lunatic, then votes for him anyway and just leaves. I also really didn't like how he was so deadset to lynch everyone that voted for mderg because of mislynch. Seems really a bad way to find any mafia. His general gameplay is just really iffy for me, like he tries to force lynches where there are none. I also looked through of what MoosyDoosy and Lunatic said of him. They were suspicously quiet about him and never seemed to think he was mafia or anything of the like. Also, Skynx put both of those mafia in either null or town when he did his reads. At this point, I'm more inclined to lynch skynx D4 than celestial/j roc. Btdt and scott are town for me. I also really didn't like how he was so deadset to lynch everyone that voted for mderg because of mislynch. because town don't just lynch themselves out of nothingness usually. There is someone pushing for it, always. No mafia on mderg train is impossible, vitrually impossible. Focusing on those targets is the right thing to do. Me focusing you while rels was vigi with no cc was bad but I'm trying to improve on that front. I'm historicly not good at reacting to claims, its evident at all my games. His D2 voting was weird, first he says he won't lynch lunatic, then votes for him anyway and just leaves. Please read my point in post above on how mafia Skynx never votes for Lunatic in that case. His general gameplay is just really iffy for me, like he tries to force lynches where there are none. Putting yourself on the line is typical scum behaviour right? huehuehue also looked through of what MoosyDoosy and Lunatic said of him. They were suspicously quiet about him and never seemed to think he was mafia or anything of the like. Moosy only pushed Grack all game. Lunatic pushed no one. I didn't even check their filter but I'm sure I can find 5 people they were suspiciously quiet about him and never seem think they are mafia. Moosy was always town. If he didn't got modkilled we would never ever find him and this would be gg. He made sense with his points and analysis. Me townreading him makes me scum is like... I don't even know how to describe it. It's just bad. | ||
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Skynx
Turkey7150 Posts
-two people are actively scumreading me right after eachother. -two people are hmm "I need to re-read" about it -one afk | ||
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beentheredonethat
2934 Posts
All you are doing is to outright lie to the thread, trying to discredit a blue claim. It's worth a shot since mafia counterclaiming here would just give up a member for a now powerless blue. It's a subtle move right there, especially since Rels, before his claim, was under heavy suspicion by multiple players. Regarding Moosy: he's a trolly player, point taken. But you said it yourself: "wait until D2/D3 until he makes sense". He made sense from D1. It was a completely contrary observation to what I got to know when I was in the game with him. I don't see where you're coming from when you discard/not take into consideration what other people said about Moosy (-> Celestial) when at the same time, you say that your playstyle is to shoot almost randomly in pretty much any direction. What I noticed is that you completely changed from hitting anyone to "only" defending yourself while starting to townread me. The townread part is great but we need to identify scum here. So start your attack mode all over again and get onto JRoc, because right now, it's either you or him in my opinion. I'm not going to discard my case because you answered like half of the stuff in there, also since you basically said "no you're wrong" without adding too much information to your answer. Regarding your tunnel on Silent: no, I don't find a sufficient explanation of it. This is the first post in your filter where you bring him up: On August 02 2016 05:17 Skynx wrote: I had a post about something i didnt like about stutters then grack came in and defended him then stut sr'd grack. Meanwhile btdt sr'd Luna and when grack agreed he sr'd grack. Pretty sure there is one careless mafia here. Silentwarrior is also a shout. Maaaaaaybe Moosy. Dont really have an opinion on jroc and mderg. Luna is tone based townread, also due to similarities to last game. Celestial definitely gets a pass altho i didnt agree with all of his points. KSC is null. Rels how you doing bro pls step up so i dont lynch you <3 I don't see exactly where "Silentwarrior is also a shout" is a solid explanation of a read. Also how do you say "maaaaaybe Moosy" when you just stated that you townread him all game? Doesn't make sense, again. In your famous lynch priority post, Silent is the last priority. On August 02 2016 05:26 Skynx wrote: Anyway I think this is my preferred priority algorythm for now: Rels>Stutters>btdt>Grack>silent So imo i liked gracks posts more than other two. Can't really quote out specific ones but his interactions felt more like natural towny to me. Rels is plynch, same with silent. We can also throw a curveball and go Luna if we don't want to deal with similar behavior cuz he didnt changed much but pretty sure he's town. Only reason I see is "plynch" which in no way is an elaborate explanation. On August 02 2016 19:41 Skynx wrote: Silent's defence in p24 is pretty lackluster. Why? Where? How? What is this post? On August 02 2016 20:51 Skynx wrote: And thats about it I guess. Rels/Grack/Silent is possible but prolly one of them is town. Alternatively add Scott in there and make it 2/4. Luna/KSC/btdt are really low hanging fruits, watch out for anyone pushing lynches on them early on based on activity/contribution. Celest/Stutters/Moosy/Jroc I won't be lynching for a while. I'm sure 3rd scum will giveaway stuff if we keep the track on them 4 on mderg train. Again, no explanation! On August 03 2016 14:29 Skynx wrote: I will adress your defence on my list later aswell Silent dw bro This never happened. On August 05 2016 04:42 Skynx wrote: Guys Lunatic is not the lynch here... ##Vote: Silentwarrior So up to this point, there is literally ZERO explanation on why your vote is on Silent and not on Lunatic. Zero. Absolutely nothing. Please point me to your posts where you initiate a case, start explaining, or even try to convince fellow town to follow you into your highly thought-out lynch. I absolutely do not understand this. What I found is a post I already quoted but I'll do it again: On August 05 2016 04:49 Skynx wrote: D1 pattern: silent pushes stutters > stutters is getting townread > people jump off scott train to silent train > Rels starts mderg train > their only interaction in game happens: >silent votes mderg to survive Is this the reason for you to scumread Silent? That he voted mderg over himself? Because that's a weak as fuck reason. So please do two things: 1. Explain why you pushed Silent over Lunatic. 2. Explain why you have him now as locked town. On August 08 2016 18:00 Skynx wrote: One thing is very important here celest and silent: we can never ever be daunted by others and switch votes. Always vote together. | ||
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beentheredonethat
2934 Posts
On August 09 2016 03:46 Skynx wrote: By the way here are some stats for you: -two people are actively scumreading me right after eachother. -two people are hmm "I need to re-read" about it -one afk Oh and 3. Let me know what exactly those "statistics" should mean. | ||
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beentheredonethat
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silentwarrior
131 Posts
On August 09 2016 03:43 Skynx wrote: because town don't just lynch themselves out of nothingness usually. There is someone pushing for it, always. No mafia on mderg train is impossible, vitrually impossible. Focusing on those targets is the right thing to do. Me focusing you while rels was vigi with no cc was bad but I'm trying to improve on that front. I'm historicly not good at reacting to claims, its evident at all my games. Please read my point in post above on how mafia Skynx never votes for Lunatic in that case. Putting yourself on the line is typical scum behaviour right? huehuehue Moosy only pushed Grack all game. Lunatic pushed no one. I didn't even check their filter but I'm sure I can find 5 people they were suspiciously quiet about him and never seem think they are mafia. Moosy was always town. If he didn't got modkilled we would never ever find him and this would be gg. He made sense with his points and analysis. Me townreading him makes me scum is like... I don't even know how to describe it. It's just bad. No one knows who town is. Mislycnhes can happen, easily. Yes, there might be mafia among them, but look at who voted for mderg D1. Me, scott, rels and grack. 2 have been proven town, im really townie and scott pretty town as well. You wanted them all lynched, when all have been proven to be town or townread by most. Moose might have been town for you, but not for me. I tagged him as early as N1 and wanted him for D4 lynch after lunatic. Maybe you can't find scum, but others can. Also, don't attack btdt for his nationality, that's a really low blow. | ||
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silentwarrior
131 Posts
On August 09 2016 05:23 silentwarrior wrote: No one knows who town is. Mislycnhes can happen, easily. Yes, there might be mafia among them, but look at who voted for mderg D1. Me, scott, rels and grack. 2 have been proven town, im really townie and scott pretty town as well. You wanted them all lynched, when all have been proven to be town or townread by most. Moose might have been town for you, but not for me. I tagged him as early as N1 and wanted him for D4 lynch after lunatic. Maybe you can't find scum, but others can. Also, don't attack btdt for his nationality, that's a really low blow. EBWOP: Also, about the whole vote on lunatic. You gained no towncred for it, but you tried to. Why else would you switch your vote when we already had like 5 votes on him already? Just because something didn't go as intended dosen't mean the intention wasn't there. | ||
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-Celestial-
United Kingdom3867 Posts
If I'm still alive tomorrow I want to dive to compare and contrast the three. But in case I'm not, and since a bunch of people are just flat out overlooking scott, I want to draw attention again to this post: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/511961-newbie-student-mafia-xxii?page=42#838 scott has done NOTHING to deserve a town read. Almost every question he has asked is incredibly weak and along the lines of "have your reads changed?" and "what is your opinion now?". i.e. really softball questions. And he doesn't even make up for the weak questions with extensive analysis. The only person he seems to have put real pressure on beyond that is BTDT when he specifically asked for a couple of scum reads off him. Who he has been scumming since the moment he got in this thread off the back of the single bad post early on. Yes, it was a super bad post, but its not the only thing BTDT has done that he can be read scummily for and saying you're happy to vote for him off the back of that one post seems insane. He's not actually asked any really probing questions at all. When I questioned him about why he hadn't had me on his scum list (on the basis that I was scumming RB for it to, I just hadn't voted) he replied with this: On August 01 2016 12:22 scott31337 wrote: I only added the people who actually voted for me - There was a vote in the main thread for Race that was not in the voting thread I didn't count either. I was looking more at who pulled the trigger to do so. And BTDT looks the worst out of those four. This is not an unreasonable response. However it is also a super lazy response. There were THREE mafia in the game at this point. Not one. And there was no way they were all on that RB wagon, no chance. Why only look for one? He's been buddying up to silent for basically the entire game and frankly I think you're pocketed. In fact almost his entire game he's been buddying up to people. As far as I can tell he's only outright actually scumread TWO people all game. One being mderg who has flipped town and the other being BTDT. He's thrown a bit of shade on me and Stutters before the mderg flip by agreeing with Gracks "squirming" thing (because we were questioning the vote) and he's thrown a bit of shade on Grack and silent by saying "nice find" in response to the vote thing Moosy led me to. There's nothing else I've seen in a quick re-check through his filter here. What. Has. He. Done. To. Deserve. Being. Town. Read? He's been inactive as hell even before the car crash, he's pushed hardly anyone, he's hardly ever scumread anyone (instead playing the incredibly scummy game of "I'm town, your town, everyone is town, isn't that nice?"), he's been buddying up to people wherever possible, his reads aren't very well backed and he's flown below the radar for the entire game. I'm not going to say "if I die lynch scott" like BTDT because that's a very dangerous game to play with only one mislynch left. What I will say is that for the love of god stop just dismissing scott out of hand every single time you provide reads. That being said: On August 09 2016 03:11 scott31337 wrote: Girl is doing better, she still needs some help around the house I hope things get better for the both of you. | ||
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-Celestial-
United Kingdom3867 Posts
That's an OMGUS to me; no solid reasoning behind scott's scumreads. | ||
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