Newbie Student Mafia XXII - Page 57

On August 05 2016 07:35 KelsierSC wrote:
Lunatic. Silent and moosy.

On August 05 2016 08:14 Rels wrote:
BTDT is also super likely scum by what happen just there. I mean, he was likely scum before, but even more now.
When KSC claimed I started pushing BTDT, THEN Luna counterclaimed. If BTDT was town Luna could have gone with the ride and just lynch BTDT without counterclaiming.
Then the last one is one of scott / Moosy. Probably. Some tinfoil on some other people but we don't have tyhe lynches to decide since one mislynch and game is over.

On August 05 2016 21:59 beentheredonethat wrote:

I am not exactly understanding why I am "outed" here. The best play would have been to lynch the obviously fake counter claim. Let me bring up the fact that I pushed Lunatic D1. Brought him up to people's attention N1. That I was the third to vote him and thus was the (imho) initial vote that got the wagon running. Keep in mind that my stance was that Kelsier should be today's lynch BEFORE the wagon had finally formed.

You are following thread sentiment. You contributed nothing D2 except for a huge but redundant post on the already formed wagon which can very easily be used as a big excuse for you bussing a teammate.

"Lunatic's claim came off the back of actually doing stuff". You are contradicting yourself here. You pointed out, as others did before you, that most of Lunatic's stuff was actually empty, half-hearted, and scum-indicative. Why do you throw away all those points that you brought up before and say now that "he was actually doing stuff"? What exactly was he doing besides claiming medic? Lunatic claimed medic for one purpose only: to avert his lynch and to get another blue role lynched. And you insist that he actually was doing something? That is a plain lie that strongly speaks for you being Lunatic's team member. As I pointed out before, you were reluctant to vote him ALTHOUGH you made a huge post on him. You should be the next lynch right after.

This is your very first post about pretty much everyone (#281) :


The first thing you do is to paint a "Lunatic and RB do not have the same alignment" picture. You do not follow up on this, instead you directly start to build a town read about Lunatic. He also is the very first person for you to get into. Who are the most present people in your mind when you're scum and it's D1? Right, your teammates, because you know their alignments and you talk to them in QT. So why not start with that guy, it doesn't even have to be a concious decision.

Celestial is creating a town read on Lunatic for reasons that are very vague and feel highly constructed. This is the first indicator that those guys are in the same team.

Another thing is: you absolutely dislike Scott and don't like my townread on him. How does that go together with scott's harsh thread entry that was basically consisting of pushing me? If Scott is scum (and I am scum in your world), how does it makes sense that he is so pushy D1 on me although there is literally no need to do so?


More interaction with Lunatic. But it's only about explaining Bussing. It's of course very good to remind a player to "carefully read into me, because I could be lying". This is a very interesting interaction because it is seemingly helping each other out while in reality, it is a process of putting Lunatic in a position as a full newbie. That way, town will of course be hesistant to lynch him, and will read his posts with a mindset of "that guy is new, he might be bad not scum". That feels exactly like a move that a more experienced player would make. Celestial is a more experienced player.


What is this question. The answer is in the rules. Why is the interest in Rels' consequences so high? Easily explained. Celestial as an experienced mafia player knows that Rels is one of the best players in this game and knows that he is town. So he tries to find out if he's getting modkilled so they don't have to waste a kill and can plan accordingly. I don't see any purpose in this question besides that one. Scum doesn't know if Rels is going to get MK'ed at day end or night end. Hm. I'm not too convinced of that theory by myself but still, I'm letting it here for you guys to discuss.



"Hello guys, I cast my vote but I am fine to not vote my scum read so yeah go ahead".
This is a very weak statement. If you are convinced your vote is scum, you vote. If someone else comes with a better/stronger case that you like more, you vote someone else. But saying "Hey, I don't like him, here's my vote but I only do it because I must" is scum indicative. Any townie can wait until the very deadline to cast his vote. The vote can be used to pressure people. But this is a very open "hey, just parking it here, don't worry, no harsh feelings". Makes no sense at all, and Celestial appeared very reasonable in his long posts, so why suddenly change that behaviour? Afraid of no townie wagon forming?


What a weird post. You repeatedly scumleaned/read scott. But you're not fine to have a scott lynch because "VCA will be useless"? Can you please show me your VCA? Because you imply that a lynch that is not scott would make up for decent VCA.

Also note how at this point, Lunatic has completely dropped under the radar for Celestial, he's not commiting to any more posts regarding scum lunatic.


And boom, joining the mislynch wagon and abandoning the silent vote. Of course, he knows it's town, so he can be "kinda open to being convinced". This part of the sentence is highly interesting. It implies that the decision to lynch mderg is not his own but a decision that someone else made him to take. Also, how do you not want scott to be lynched if you keep saying .



What happened to this? Huh?

On August 06 2016 07:59 silentwarrior wrote:
Ok, so this is basically my big nightpost. I'm pretty sure that rels is gonna get shot, but on the off chance it is me I want to get this all out here. First of all, I am almost certain that both scott and btdt are town. The reason is first that lunatic voted for scott, which basically clears him or atleast gives him a huge town point. On btdt, he voted for Lunatic when the wagon was still early. At that point only 2 people had voted for lunatic. Obv mafia didn't want to kill on of their own if they can help it, which is why I really think he is town. His recent posting and his defense and his determination to go after lunatic should also speak volumes about this. So in short, scott and btdt are town.

Second, I believe the lynch on D4 (D3 lynch will be lunatic no matter what) should be MoosyDoosy. First, he has absolutely nothing in terms of scum hunting. Most of his filter is filled with nothing of value at all. I honestly thought he was joking when he said he was the "sane Moosy". His D2 voting was really suspect as well. His timing was just too good. 30 min before deadline, just when we needed one more vote he shows up and changes vote to someone he town/null read on N1? Also, his whole voting pattern was really stupid, and he still thinks of it as a good thing. The only thing he did was set 2 townies up for mislynch, and if grack hadn't died he would probably have succeded. But tbh, this post isn't about him, if you want more I wrote about Moosy in my N1 post.

Ok, so the main reason I post this is something some of you may not like, and will probably call me tinfoil for saying it. But it needs to be said. First, let me say that I have had suspicoin of this since N1, but have kept silent about it since I was more focused on lunatic at the time and couldn't afford to derail that. I have 3 people in my scumlist in descending order of "scuminess". Lunatic, Moosy and Celestial. The thing that drew me to celestial at first was the fact that he survived N1. It was so strange to be honest. If you compare Stutters and Celestial, he was the obvious person to kill, not stutters. The only reason I can see that stutters was killed was to cast suspicon on the people who were against him. This was primarily me and grack as well I think. The plan obviosly failed when Grac was killed as well, but before that mafia set things up in preparation for stutters death. First, Moosy along with Celestial pulled up that bullshit VCA. Moosy seems like he would go for that sort of thing, but celestial suprised me by actually saying he liked it. What's more, he completely ignored the explanations we had that supported our views, even when it was stutters saying them. Celestial has made the biggest posts with the most analysis, but he barely even bothered to even think about the voting pattern more than a passing "eh, seems alright".




He also had a strong townlean on lunatic for no apparent reason. He did a filterdive of lunatic same time as me, and mentions some the things we now know makes lunatic scum. But he not only ignores some of those, he even makes excuses for them. Worse, he misses some of the huge red flags in lunatics filter, even though it was probably the shortest filter with the most scummy things. And then, when me and 3 others vote for lunatic he comes in and changes his mind? I'm sorry, I just don't believe that. We know mafia tried to bus Lunatic when it looked like he was dying.

Also, in the same big post as quted above, he has the now confirmed townies (Rels, Grack, Kelsier, Silent) as mafia reads, while the ones that are more questionable much higher up. The only townie he has in town is stutters. But thing is, mafia knew he was gonna die that night, so ofcourse he was gonna be high on the list.

I know most of you all see him as town, and it's no doubt that he has posted the most. But I just want to make sure we consider everything. I might be wrong on celestial, and I certainly won't lynch him before Moosy and Lunatic, but I would definetly consider it.

On August 09 2016 08:35 scott31337 wrote:
Celestial why aren't you dead if you are town?

On August 09 2016 08:14 -Celestial- wrote:
That's actually a bit of a surprise. I was convinced it'd be me, BTDT or silent. I'll have a re-read of everyone tomorrow.

Though I'll note that night kill was probably the safest move a scum!scott could make. BTDT and silent both town him (and he needs the support honestly). Me and J Roc been very loudly banging the drum for a scott lynch which would make him look a bit suspicious if either of us died.

That being said NKA absolutely reeks of WIFOM. So I don't place a huge amount of stock into this. Its just interesting to keep in mind.

On August 09 2016 09:12 scott31337 wrote:


I do see your point here - but we also know there's only one scum left, so there's no collusion anymore either.

On August 09 2016 08:50 scott31337 wrote:
Scott31337/me - Luna's main lynch most of the game - Voted on Luna day 2 with the tight race