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On August 02 2016 13:46 Stutters695 wrote:
@Grack
I'll concede 358, that was a pretty convoluted point and honestly fairly inconsequential. Made more sense as I was typing it.
I didn't push your lynch because we had like an hour and a half until the lynch and I didn't have the clout to get it to go through. Last thing we needed was to shit up the thread more.
The plynch vs actual push is the crux of what's wrong with silent's vote on me. His return/vote on me was before I had him as anything other than a policy lynch. Of course I hadn't mentioned him because there was nothing to mention. He was mia and needed to post.
Yet, despite your admitted lack of trust in your own reads and your willingness to sheep someone of whom you had no idea their alignment, you defended Silent. Then when you apologized to mderg (implying at least a slight town read at that point) you could have switched to silent, which would have put him in the lead over mderg. Why not do that?
This doesn't add up.
Well the way I see it your original reasoning for voting me was weak and then he saw you voting him after Celestial posted and thought it was opportunistic. It seems reasonable from a town perspective to me. It's possible he's mafia, but I don't see what all the hubbub is about.
Here's the context for the post you're referencing:
On August 02 2016 07:58 Grackaroni wrote:
I'm kind of tempted to shennany but I waited too long.
On August 02 2016 07:58 mderg wrote:
No shenannies happening?
On August 02 2016 07:58 Grackaroni wrote:
Sorry Mderg.
The post was just my way of affirming that I wasn't going to switch.
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Fair. Going to wait for fresh eyes before tackling this any more.
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A lot happend while I was asleep, There are many suspicious things that occured and I will try to work through the pages during the day (at work atm) and explain what I believe happend.
I think it is safe to say that most of the accusations yesterday was probably Town versus Town (at least of the players being tossed around for a lynch while I was asleep). First I'm going to post a list on my current read on the players (I can elaborate on them if asked). And it is safe to assume at least one mafia was on the train on Mderg. And one mafia was probably not on it.
Town:
Lunaticman
Mderg
Town-reads:
Celestial
Scott
Skynx
Nullreads/unsure:
MoosyDoosy
silentwarrior
J Roc
Stutter
BeenThereDoneThat
Scummy:
KelsierSC
Grac
Mafia:
Rels
First of all Rels joins the game way to late to actually consolidate town in any meaningful way. And he only does it after being called out on it (modkill warning?). And he starts a train with conviction anyway and simply points out three/four players based on nothing:
Scum team is very likely to be in this pool:
mderg
Celestial / KSC / Stutters
BTDT
You then explain why Mderg is scum and I have to agree most of your points are valid but it feels contrived when you do this post:
Yep this is the lynch.
All aboard the mderg express. You have to be seated before the departure. Scummates traveling with mderg are not allowed in
And then you welcome Grac aboard, like it is the only available lynch target. Grac is more than happy to follow your read and happily join. I feel like there has to be one mafia between the two of you and it feels like you are playing way to similar to last game. It can be that one of you wree trying to protect one of the lynch targets in scott/Mderg. I don't think both of you are mafia though.
I also feel that Moosys modkill warning was really wierd, it might be he simply forgot to vote but it is still strange.
I am not impressed with Kelsier contributions to town atm, it doesn't feel like he trying to solve the game. It is like he doesn't care and just coasting through the day, I expect him to do a lot of work day 2.
The same thing applies to BeenThere but I feel he has done more for town.
I don't like how Grac was sheeping Rels. I find it hard to think that both Grac and Rels would make such a mistake but it is not impossible. I would think Rels is more probable out of the two. Grac has way more activity this game and feels towny to me based on it. But some of his thoughts doesn't make sense to me. Ill have to reread his filter.
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I will hopefully be able to put some time after lunch. If not tonight.
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I have anniversary with my GF today so nothing from me. Caught up as good as I could. Rels is either ballsy as fuck town or scum. Silent should be vigshot if available imho.
Bringing up Lunatic to not let him fall under the radar. Same goes for my point about moosy, he is not at all playing to the town meta I got to know. I like the general direction were facing although there was a mislynch. Besides kelsier, everyone keeps dropping enough thoughts to get a grip on in the later game stages.
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My first day off in about 2 weeks on Thursday so I can put in work then
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On August 02 2016 05:54 Skynx wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2016 05:50 Stutters695 wrote:On August 02 2016 05:37 Skynx wrote:On August 02 2016 04:02 mderg wrote:On August 02 2016 04:00 Skynx wrote:On August 02 2016 03:55 mderg wrote:On August 02 2016 03:51 Skynx wrote:
Anyway 1st things 1st, mderg, stutters, KSC and jroc pls move away from Scott there is no way he is scum, thank you. What makes you so sure about that? 1: RB kept trolling when roles piled up on him. While scum may not panic sometimes, he definitely didn't look like he gave two fucks if he died right then. 2: Scott had a nice entry 3: You guys are just voting to shut him up, now regardless of alignment its a different player who is at least putting effor in the game. 1. I agree 2. I don't think so. In my opinion his entry was pretty bad 3. No, for me at least. On August 01 2016 00:04 mderg wrote:
Based on the last page I'd say we policy lynch Race Bannon. It will just get more and more obnoxious, if he continues to post like this. So I simply want to get this out of the way.
##vote Race Bannon Hmm actually thats quite bad. Bunch of other stuff not really saying much. He also likes my comment saying RB is a lazy scumread. Like as inconsistent as it gets. Holy misrepresentation batman. Basically every post between the two you quoted talked about why he felt Scott was scummy. I kinda see it now when i check it again. I really need to sleep tho remind me of this if u can.
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On August 02 2016 06:11 -Celestial- wrote:
Skynx just threw a vote on BTDT right before leaving but didn't actually say why he chose him over mderg as far as I can see. Can anyone point out a post where he says this?
It came down to both of them in the end and right before I leave stutters pointed out above. I figured I jumped to conclusions too quickly on mderg, hence btdt vote.
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Silent's defence in p24 is pretty lackluster.
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Meh, I thought focus would be more on Grack/btdt/Stutters than mderg/silent.
Anyway, can't help to notice Scott first mentioned mderg, I followed up, stutters defended him and promted me to re-read, Rels hard-sr'd, Grack agreed, silent also voted to ensure his lynch.
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So first few hours of night Moosy, Celestial and Stutters are all solving the game. They are all town cuz they put together so many pieces and reveal some undeniable scumplay. There is that chance where they are all mafia but thats like 0.0001% cuz they actually find something and this play would require town to actually slip up like that.
Jroc also poping in and out but I dunno why he's so tunneled on Scott since forever.
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On August 02 2016 12:43 -Celestial- wrote:
Tinfoil hat theory.
Grack didn't want to shenanie onto KSC because they're scumteam together.
KSC/Grack/silent
Early votes thrown onto KSC were done deliberately sloppy to distance themselves from each other whilst not actually pushing a possible legitimate lynch. Despite the votes nobody really made any effort to pressure KSC or push him as a possible scum wagon which let him just be lazy and fly under the radar.
This is probably garbage because I'm just blurting stuff out at nearly 5am after too much wine and making a bunch of assumptions and literally not checking anything. But I felt like I needed to write it down somewhere.
If that happened Grack would ride the towncred all the way to victory. Scum are having kind of a troublesome lynch, a shennanie onto teammate and we would never analyse a bus there cuz safeplay says they could've just left it like that. Which they did 
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On August 02 2016 18:18 Lunaticman wrote:A lot happend while I was asleep, There are many suspicious things that occured and I will try to work through the pages during the day (at work atm) and explain what I believe happend. I think it is safe to say that most of the accusations yesterday was probably Town versus Town (at least of the players being tossed around for a lynch while I was asleep). First I'm going to post a list on my current read on the players (I can elaborate on them if asked). And it is safe to assume at least one mafia was on the train on Mderg. And one mafia was probably not on it. Town: Lunaticman Mderg Town-reads: Celestial Scott Skynx Nullreads/unsure: MoosyDoosy silentwarrior J Roc Stutter BeenThereDoneThat Scummy: KelsierSC Grac Mafia: Rels First of all Rels joins the game way to late to actually consolidate town in any meaningful way. And he only does it after being called out on it (modkill warning?). And he starts a train with conviction anyway and simply points out three/four players based on nothing: Show nested quote +Scum team is very likely to be in this pool:
mderg
Celestial / KSC / Stutters
BTDT You then explain why Mderg is scum and I have to agree most of your points are valid but it feels contrived when you do this post: Show nested quote +Yep this is the lynch.
All aboard the mderg express. You have to be seated before the departure. Scummates traveling with mderg are not allowed in And then you welcome Grac aboard, like it is the only available lynch target. Grac is more than happy to follow your read and happily join. I feel like there has to be one mafia between the two of you and it feels like you are playing way to similar to last game. It can be that one of you wree trying to protect one of the lynch targets in scott/Mderg. I don't think both of you are mafia though. I also feel that Moosys modkill warning was really wierd, it might be he simply forgot to vote but it is still strange. I am not impressed with Kelsier contributions to town atm, it doesn't feel like he trying to solve the game. It is like he doesn't care and just coasting through the day, I expect him to do a lot of work day 2. The same thing applies to BeenThere but I feel he has done more for town. I don't like how Grac was sheeping Rels. I find it hard to think that both Grac and Rels would make such a mistake but it is not impossible. I would think Rels is more probable out of the two. Grac has way more activity this game and feels towny to me based on it. But some of his thoughts doesn't make sense to me. Ill have to reread his filter.
Man why 1 thing you say doesn't match the other one in a regular basis?
You assign Grack to Rels, mention previous game and gracks willingness to jump on the train. You then put grack in same line as KSC?
You say btdt has done more for town compared to KSC so he's null and KSC's low tier scum? KSC's entire activity consists of a lazy vote on Race/Scott, I dunno how that is not null and btdt is.
I also dunno how you assign Celestial as top tier town and not Moosy/Stutters cuz they did everything together post flip. Stutters/Celestial were even working together pre-flip.
Moosy's warning is as per game rules, please read them. Voting is the most important thing here.
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And thats about it I guess.
Rels/Grack/Silent is possible but prolly one of them is town. Alternatively add Scott in there and make it 2/4.
Luna/KSC/btdt are really low hanging fruits, watch out for anyone pushing lynches on them early on based on activity/contribution.
Celest/Stutters/Moosy/Jroc I won't be lynching for a while.
I'm sure 3rd scum will giveaway stuff if we keep the track on them 4 on mderg train.
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On August 02 2016 20:46 Skynx wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2016 18:18 Lunaticman wrote:A lot happend while I was asleep, There are many suspicious things that occured and I will try to work through the pages during the day (at work atm) and explain what I believe happend. I think it is safe to say that most of the accusations yesterday was probably Town versus Town (at least of the players being tossed around for a lynch while I was asleep). First I'm going to post a list on my current read on the players (I can elaborate on them if asked). And it is safe to assume at least one mafia was on the train on Mderg. And one mafia was probably not on it. Town: Lunaticman Mderg Town-reads: Celestial Scott Skynx Nullreads/unsure: MoosyDoosy silentwarrior J Roc Stutter BeenThereDoneThat Scummy: KelsierSC Grac Mafia: Rels First of all Rels joins the game way to late to actually consolidate town in any meaningful way. And he only does it after being called out on it (modkill warning?). And he starts a train with conviction anyway and simply points out three/four players based on nothing: Scum team is very likely to be in this pool:
mderg
Celestial / KSC / Stutters
BTDT You then explain why Mderg is scum and I have to agree most of your points are valid but it feels contrived when you do this post: Yep this is the lynch.
All aboard the mderg express. You have to be seated before the departure. Scummates traveling with mderg are not allowed in And then you welcome Grac aboard, like it is the only available lynch target. Grac is more than happy to follow your read and happily join. I feel like there has to be one mafia between the two of you and it feels like you are playing way to similar to last game. It can be that one of you wree trying to protect one of the lynch targets in scott/Mderg. I don't think both of you are mafia though. I also feel that Moosys modkill warning was really wierd, it might be he simply forgot to vote but it is still strange. I am not impressed with Kelsier contributions to town atm, it doesn't feel like he trying to solve the game. It is like he doesn't care and just coasting through the day, I expect him to do a lot of work day 2. The same thing applies to BeenThere but I feel he has done more for town. I don't like how Grac was sheeping Rels. I find it hard to think that both Grac and Rels would make such a mistake but it is not impossible. I would think Rels is more probable out of the two. Grac has way more activity this game and feels towny to me based on it. But some of his thoughts doesn't make sense to me. Ill have to reread his filter. Man why 1 thing you say doesn't match the other one in a regular basis? You assign Grack to Rels, mention previous game and gracks willingness to jump on the train. You then put grack in same line as KSC? You say btdt has done more for town compared to KSC so he's null and KSC's low tier scum? KSC's entire activity consists of a lazy vote on Race/Scott, I dunno how that is not null and btdt is. I also dunno how you assign Celestial as top tier town and not Moosy/Stutters cuz they did everything together post flip. Stutters/Celestial were even working together pre-flip. Moosy's warning is as per game rules, please read them. Voting is the most important thing here.
At first I put both KSC and BTDT in the same category but when I read their filters BTDT did way more to solve the game, so I "uppgraded" him. KSC filter is really really bad, it does not contain anything useful at all.
The reason for where I put Grac is that he has posted a lot more constructive this game compared to last game and before I went to sleep I had him as towny. I did not like his sheep vote from Rels at all and when I compared them I think Rels is more likely to be mafia between the two. Townies are prone to make more "honest" mistakes and I think Rels has to take responsibility for the misslynch,
I don't feel I have as good a read on either Moosy or Stutters yet to place them in my town list. They are however more towny than null but I'm not certain. I think I will reread their filters after day 2 and make a decision after that.
This might sound cliche but Celestials filter is what I consider to be the perfect towny. I also don't think any mafia would put that much effort into solving the game that early and just trying to move the thread forward when it was basically dying. Atm I see no reason to change my mind regarding cele.
Also scott is not mafia because of how bannon was playing. I don't buy that he would do that spam as either alignment.
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On August 02 2016 21:09 Lunaticman wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2016 20:46 Skynx wrote:On August 02 2016 18:18 Lunaticman wrote:A lot happend while I was asleep, There are many suspicious things that occured and I will try to work through the pages during the day (at work atm) and explain what I believe happend. I think it is safe to say that most of the accusations yesterday was probably Town versus Town (at least of the players being tossed around for a lynch while I was asleep). First I'm going to post a list on my current read on the players (I can elaborate on them if asked). And it is safe to assume at least one mafia was on the train on Mderg. And one mafia was probably not on it. Town: Lunaticman Mderg Town-reads: Celestial Scott Skynx Nullreads/unsure: MoosyDoosy silentwarrior J Roc Stutter BeenThereDoneThat Scummy: KelsierSC Grac Mafia: Rels First of all Rels joins the game way to late to actually consolidate town in any meaningful way. And he only does it after being called out on it (modkill warning?). And he starts a train with conviction anyway and simply points out three/four players based on nothing: Scum team is very likely to be in this pool:
mderg
Celestial / KSC / Stutters
BTDT You then explain why Mderg is scum and I have to agree most of your points are valid but it feels contrived when you do this post: Yep this is the lynch.
All aboard the mderg express. You have to be seated before the departure. Scummates traveling with mderg are not allowed in And then you welcome Grac aboard, like it is the only available lynch target. Grac is more than happy to follow your read and happily join. I feel like there has to be one mafia between the two of you and it feels like you are playing way to similar to last game. It can be that one of you wree trying to protect one of the lynch targets in scott/Mderg. I don't think both of you are mafia though. I also feel that Moosys modkill warning was really wierd, it might be he simply forgot to vote but it is still strange. I am not impressed with Kelsier contributions to town atm, it doesn't feel like he trying to solve the game. It is like he doesn't care and just coasting through the day, I expect him to do a lot of work day 2. The same thing applies to BeenThere but I feel he has done more for town. I don't like how Grac was sheeping Rels. I find it hard to think that both Grac and Rels would make such a mistake but it is not impossible. I would think Rels is more probable out of the two. Grac has way more activity this game and feels towny to me based on it. But some of his thoughts doesn't make sense to me. Ill have to reread his filter. Man why 1 thing you say doesn't match the other one in a regular basis? You assign Grack to Rels, mention previous game and gracks willingness to jump on the train. You then put grack in same line as KSC? You say btdt has done more for town compared to KSC so he's null and KSC's low tier scum? KSC's entire activity consists of a lazy vote on Race/Scott, I dunno how that is not null and btdt is. I also dunno how you assign Celestial as top tier town and not Moosy/Stutters cuz they did everything together post flip. Stutters/Celestial were even working together pre-flip. Moosy's warning is as per game rules, please read them. Voting is the most important thing here. At first I put both KSC and BTDT in the same category but when I read their filters BTDT did way more to solve the game, so I "uppgraded" him. KSC filter is really really bad, it does not contain anything useful at all. The reason for where I put Grac is that he has posted a lot more constructive this game compared to last game and before I went to sleep I had him as towny. I did not like his sheep vote from Rels at all and when I compared them I think Rels is more likely to be mafia between the two. Townies are prone to make more "honest" mistakes and I think Rels has to take responsibility for the misslynch, I don't feel I have as good a read on either Moosy or Stutters yet to place them in my town list. They are however more towny than null but I'm not certain. I think I will reread their filters after day 2 and make a decision after that. This might sound cliche but Celestials filter is what I consider to be the perfect towny. I also don't think any mafia would put that much effort into solving the game that early and just trying to move the thread forward when it was basically dying. Atm I see no reason to change my mind regarding cele. Also scott is not mafia because of how bannon was playing. I don't buy that he would do that spam as either alignment.
Well, make sure to read few pages back lol.
Also on bolded, I'm afraid to tell you when trolly players decide to turn the switch on, they absolutely and absolutely have to do it for both alignments otherwise it becomes a strategic weakness on their part and we can meta read them based off of that.
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On August 02 2016 21:26 Skynx wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2016 21:09 Lunaticman wrote:On August 02 2016 20:46 Skynx wrote:On August 02 2016 18:18 Lunaticman wrote:A lot happend while I was asleep, There are many suspicious things that occured and I will try to work through the pages during the day (at work atm) and explain what I believe happend. I think it is safe to say that most of the accusations yesterday was probably Town versus Town (at least of the players being tossed around for a lynch while I was asleep). First I'm going to post a list on my current read on the players (I can elaborate on them if asked). And it is safe to assume at least one mafia was on the train on Mderg. And one mafia was probably not on it. Town: Lunaticman Mderg Town-reads: Celestial Scott Skynx Nullreads/unsure: MoosyDoosy silentwarrior J Roc Stutter BeenThereDoneThat Scummy: KelsierSC Grac Mafia: Rels First of all Rels joins the game way to late to actually consolidate town in any meaningful way. And he only does it after being called out on it (modkill warning?). And he starts a train with conviction anyway and simply points out three/four players based on nothing: Scum team is very likely to be in this pool:
mderg
Celestial / KSC / Stutters
BTDT You then explain why Mderg is scum and I have to agree most of your points are valid but it feels contrived when you do this post: Yep this is the lynch.
All aboard the mderg express. You have to be seated before the departure. Scummates traveling with mderg are not allowed in And then you welcome Grac aboard, like it is the only available lynch target. Grac is more than happy to follow your read and happily join. I feel like there has to be one mafia between the two of you and it feels like you are playing way to similar to last game. It can be that one of you wree trying to protect one of the lynch targets in scott/Mderg. I don't think both of you are mafia though. I also feel that Moosys modkill warning was really wierd, it might be he simply forgot to vote but it is still strange. I am not impressed with Kelsier contributions to town atm, it doesn't feel like he trying to solve the game. It is like he doesn't care and just coasting through the day, I expect him to do a lot of work day 2. The same thing applies to BeenThere but I feel he has done more for town. I don't like how Grac was sheeping Rels. I find it hard to think that both Grac and Rels would make such a mistake but it is not impossible. I would think Rels is more probable out of the two. Grac has way more activity this game and feels towny to me based on it. But some of his thoughts doesn't make sense to me. Ill have to reread his filter. Man why 1 thing you say doesn't match the other one in a regular basis? You assign Grack to Rels, mention previous game and gracks willingness to jump on the train. You then put grack in same line as KSC? You say btdt has done more for town compared to KSC so he's null and KSC's low tier scum? KSC's entire activity consists of a lazy vote on Race/Scott, I dunno how that is not null and btdt is. I also dunno how you assign Celestial as top tier town and not Moosy/Stutters cuz they did everything together post flip. Stutters/Celestial were even working together pre-flip. Moosy's warning is as per game rules, please read them. Voting is the most important thing here. At first I put both KSC and BTDT in the same category but when I read their filters BTDT did way more to solve the game, so I "uppgraded" him. KSC filter is really really bad, it does not contain anything useful at all. The reason for where I put Grac is that he has posted a lot more constructive this game compared to last game and before I went to sleep I had him as towny. I did not like his sheep vote from Rels at all and when I compared them I think Rels is more likely to be mafia between the two. Townies are prone to make more "honest" mistakes and I think Rels has to take responsibility for the misslynch, I don't feel I have as good a read on either Moosy or Stutters yet to place them in my town list. They are however more towny than null but I'm not certain. I think I will reread their filters after day 2 and make a decision after that. This might sound cliche but Celestials filter is what I consider to be the perfect towny. I also don't think any mafia would put that much effort into solving the game that early and just trying to move the thread forward when it was basically dying. Atm I see no reason to change my mind regarding cele. Also scott is not mafia because of how bannon was playing. I don't buy that he would do that spam as either alignment. Well, make sure to read few pages back lol. Also on bolded, I'm afraid to tell you when trolly players decide to turn the switch on, they absolutely and absolutely have to do it for both alignments otherwise it becomes a strategic weakness on their part and we can meta read them based off of that.
Well that makes sense but he hasn't played before right?
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On August 02 2016 21:29 Lunaticman wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2016 21:26 Skynx wrote:On August 02 2016 21:09 Lunaticman wrote:On August 02 2016 20:46 Skynx wrote:On August 02 2016 18:18 Lunaticman wrote:A lot happend while I was asleep, There are many suspicious things that occured and I will try to work through the pages during the day (at work atm) and explain what I believe happend. I think it is safe to say that most of the accusations yesterday was probably Town versus Town (at least of the players being tossed around for a lynch while I was asleep). First I'm going to post a list on my current read on the players (I can elaborate on them if asked). And it is safe to assume at least one mafia was on the train on Mderg. And one mafia was probably not on it. Town: Lunaticman Mderg Town-reads: Celestial Scott Skynx Nullreads/unsure: MoosyDoosy silentwarrior J Roc Stutter BeenThereDoneThat Scummy: KelsierSC Grac Mafia: Rels First of all Rels joins the game way to late to actually consolidate town in any meaningful way. And he only does it after being called out on it (modkill warning?). And he starts a train with conviction anyway and simply points out three/four players based on nothing: Scum team is very likely to be in this pool:
mderg
Celestial / KSC / Stutters
BTDT You then explain why Mderg is scum and I have to agree most of your points are valid but it feels contrived when you do this post: Yep this is the lynch.
All aboard the mderg express. You have to be seated before the departure. Scummates traveling with mderg are not allowed in And then you welcome Grac aboard, like it is the only available lynch target. Grac is more than happy to follow your read and happily join. I feel like there has to be one mafia between the two of you and it feels like you are playing way to similar to last game. It can be that one of you wree trying to protect one of the lynch targets in scott/Mderg. I don't think both of you are mafia though. I also feel that Moosys modkill warning was really wierd, it might be he simply forgot to vote but it is still strange. I am not impressed with Kelsier contributions to town atm, it doesn't feel like he trying to solve the game. It is like he doesn't care and just coasting through the day, I expect him to do a lot of work day 2. The same thing applies to BeenThere but I feel he has done more for town. I don't like how Grac was sheeping Rels. I find it hard to think that both Grac and Rels would make such a mistake but it is not impossible. I would think Rels is more probable out of the two. Grac has way more activity this game and feels towny to me based on it. But some of his thoughts doesn't make sense to me. Ill have to reread his filter. Man why 1 thing you say doesn't match the other one in a regular basis? You assign Grack to Rels, mention previous game and gracks willingness to jump on the train. You then put grack in same line as KSC? You say btdt has done more for town compared to KSC so he's null and KSC's low tier scum? KSC's entire activity consists of a lazy vote on Race/Scott, I dunno how that is not null and btdt is. I also dunno how you assign Celestial as top tier town and not Moosy/Stutters cuz they did everything together post flip. Stutters/Celestial were even working together pre-flip. Moosy's warning is as per game rules, please read them. Voting is the most important thing here. At first I put both KSC and BTDT in the same category but when I read their filters BTDT did way more to solve the game, so I "uppgraded" him. KSC filter is really really bad, it does not contain anything useful at all. The reason for where I put Grac is that he has posted a lot more constructive this game compared to last game and before I went to sleep I had him as towny. I did not like his sheep vote from Rels at all and when I compared them I think Rels is more likely to be mafia between the two. Townies are prone to make more "honest" mistakes and I think Rels has to take responsibility for the misslynch, I don't feel I have as good a read on either Moosy or Stutters yet to place them in my town list. They are however more towny than null but I'm not certain. I think I will reread their filters after day 2 and make a decision after that. This might sound cliche but Celestials filter is what I consider to be the perfect towny. I also don't think any mafia would put that much effort into solving the game that early and just trying to move the thread forward when it was basically dying. Atm I see no reason to change my mind regarding cele. Also scott is not mafia because of how bannon was playing. I don't buy that he would do that spam as either alignment. Well, make sure to read few pages back lol. Also on bolded, I'm afraid to tell you when trolly players decide to turn the switch on, they absolutely and absolutely have to do it for both alignments otherwise it becomes a strategic weakness on their part and we can meta read them based off of that. Well that makes sense but he hasn't played before right?
No he has played before, not sure if he has rolled scum before though.
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On August 02 2016 21:48 J Roc wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2016 21:29 Lunaticman wrote:On August 02 2016 21:26 Skynx wrote:On August 02 2016 21:09 Lunaticman wrote:On August 02 2016 20:46 Skynx wrote:On August 02 2016 18:18 Lunaticman wrote:A lot happend while I was asleep, There are many suspicious things that occured and I will try to work through the pages during the day (at work atm) and explain what I believe happend. I think it is safe to say that most of the accusations yesterday was probably Town versus Town (at least of the players being tossed around for a lynch while I was asleep). First I'm going to post a list on my current read on the players (I can elaborate on them if asked). And it is safe to assume at least one mafia was on the train on Mderg. And one mafia was probably not on it. Town: Lunaticman Mderg Town-reads: Celestial Scott Skynx Nullreads/unsure: MoosyDoosy silentwarrior J Roc Stutter BeenThereDoneThat Scummy: KelsierSC Grac Mafia: Rels First of all Rels joins the game way to late to actually consolidate town in any meaningful way. And he only does it after being called out on it (modkill warning?). And he starts a train with conviction anyway and simply points out three/four players based on nothing: Scum team is very likely to be in this pool:
mderg
Celestial / KSC / Stutters
BTDT You then explain why Mderg is scum and I have to agree most of your points are valid but it feels contrived when you do this post: Yep this is the lynch.
All aboard the mderg express. You have to be seated before the departure. Scummates traveling with mderg are not allowed in And then you welcome Grac aboard, like it is the only available lynch target. Grac is more than happy to follow your read and happily join. I feel like there has to be one mafia between the two of you and it feels like you are playing way to similar to last game. It can be that one of you wree trying to protect one of the lynch targets in scott/Mderg. I don't think both of you are mafia though. I also feel that Moosys modkill warning was really wierd, it might be he simply forgot to vote but it is still strange. I am not impressed with Kelsier contributions to town atm, it doesn't feel like he trying to solve the game. It is like he doesn't care and just coasting through the day, I expect him to do a lot of work day 2. The same thing applies to BeenThere but I feel he has done more for town. I don't like how Grac was sheeping Rels. I find it hard to think that both Grac and Rels would make such a mistake but it is not impossible. I would think Rels is more probable out of the two. Grac has way more activity this game and feels towny to me based on it. But some of his thoughts doesn't make sense to me. Ill have to reread his filter. Man why 1 thing you say doesn't match the other one in a regular basis? You assign Grack to Rels, mention previous game and gracks willingness to jump on the train. You then put grack in same line as KSC? You say btdt has done more for town compared to KSC so he's null and KSC's low tier scum? KSC's entire activity consists of a lazy vote on Race/Scott, I dunno how that is not null and btdt is. I also dunno how you assign Celestial as top tier town and not Moosy/Stutters cuz they did everything together post flip. Stutters/Celestial were even working together pre-flip. Moosy's warning is as per game rules, please read them. Voting is the most important thing here. At first I put both KSC and BTDT in the same category but when I read their filters BTDT did way more to solve the game, so I "uppgraded" him. KSC filter is really really bad, it does not contain anything useful at all. The reason for where I put Grac is that he has posted a lot more constructive this game compared to last game and before I went to sleep I had him as towny. I did not like his sheep vote from Rels at all and when I compared them I think Rels is more likely to be mafia between the two. Townies are prone to make more "honest" mistakes and I think Rels has to take responsibility for the misslynch, I don't feel I have as good a read on either Moosy or Stutters yet to place them in my town list. They are however more towny than null but I'm not certain. I think I will reread their filters after day 2 and make a decision after that. This might sound cliche but Celestials filter is what I consider to be the perfect towny. I also don't think any mafia would put that much effort into solving the game that early and just trying to move the thread forward when it was basically dying. Atm I see no reason to change my mind regarding cele. Also scott is not mafia because of how bannon was playing. I don't buy that he would do that spam as either alignment. Well, make sure to read few pages back lol. Also on bolded, I'm afraid to tell you when trolly players decide to turn the switch on, they absolutely and absolutely have to do it for both alignments otherwise it becomes a strategic weakness on their part and we can meta read them based off of that. Well that makes sense but he hasn't played before right? No he has played before, not sure if he has rolled scum before though.
Maybe that is going down the wrong rabbit hole but do you mind checking? otherwise I might reread day 1 with bannon/scott.
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On August 02 2016 20:51 Skynx wrote:
And thats about it I guess.
Rels/Grack/Silent is possible but prolly one of them is town. Alternatively add Scott in there and make it 2/4.
Luna/KSC/btdt are really low hanging fruits, watch out for anyone pushing lynches on them early on based on activity/contribution.
Celest/Stutters/Moosy/Jroc I won't be lynching for a while.
I'm sure 3rd scum will giveaway stuff if we keep the track on them 4 on mderg train.
This is the weird part of the low hanging fruits. There should have been a Mafia on Race Bannon because he was too easy a chance to kill especially when we look at the list of people voting for him:
KSC
mderg
Stutters
btdt
J Roc
KSC is null-town for me right now, mderg flipped town, and Stutters is fairly town. That leaves us with btdt and J Roc and btdt is the more likely. Especially considering he had such shit reason to vote Race Bannon in the first place because he tried to make up a reason to show RB as scummy when the spammy stuff RB was doing was completely NAI. If you look at the final votecount, you see that Grack/silent were on every possible wagon except for the btdt one as well. I'm pretty sure the team is btdt/Grack/silent.
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