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On July 19 2016 05:47 Lunaticman wrote: Is there a way to follow this thread so I get a notification when someone posts? I don't think there is any notification system in place, but you can use the "subscribed threads" (which is the file near the login stuff in the top left corner) to see all the posts since you have last visited the thread. | ||
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Also shape, you put so much sugar in your tea | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + OpieOP murica is the ... OpieOP best country ... OpieOP in the w... OpieOP fuck I need a burger OpieOP | ||
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Nope, looks like buttery corn porridge! | ||
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On July 20 2016 10:21 Damdred wrote: My tea gas two cups of sugar per gallon. Fight .me hmm my tea gets half a cup to the gallon so i'm pretty happy with that Also: what type of tea do you guys prefer for iced tea? Personally, I've been using a cardamon black tea, seems to go really well | ||
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On July 20 2016 20:52 Skynx wrote: I would check presidental mafia and newbie mafia for metas if you're really curious and have some free-time. I got some clients coming in so prolly last post till late night. ooh buisness baller, eh? | ||
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On July 20 2016 19:58 Rels wrote: Why would revealing more about yourself would "spoil the fun" ? I am an active player as either alignment. As town I have the most success finding scum by finding inconsistency in what they say. As scum I try to replicate that to destroy lynchbait. This man is town for sure! | ||
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On July 20 2016 19:44 Lunaticman wrote: About 20 games, with around 8-16 players per game. We usually only played with the standard roles with some flavour such as Medic and Sheriff. But basically vanila mafia. Each game might have lasted around 8 hours per playthrough. I would consider myself an very vocal player but also guilable. Many games have been one or lost because of people spending to much time analyzing my actions. As I always say to myself the silent mafia is the worst mafia... but I digress since this seems very different. 8 hour irl mafia game, oh god I would die. Half the people in the room must have hated each other by the end | ||
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On July 20 2016 22:00 Skynx wrote: No, I'm doing internship and they barely paid attention to me :/ :'( one day, one day How are things in Turkey now btw? | ||
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On July 20 2016 22:02 Lunaticman wrote: haha, wow how did this read happen :D I thank you for the vote of confidence though! did I mean you or rels? | ||
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On July 20 2016 22:04 Lunaticman wrote: Yes it is quite intense and I love the shit out of it. I would play it everyday if I could. The shocks. Someone could probably earn a living by recording mafia games and posting them online. twitch.tv | ||
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On July 20 2016 22:13 Koshi wrote: No. Mafia tends to do it in the thread because it is a post with a lot of words that puts them in the center of attention without any risk. Do you see how he used way more words than needed? Doesn't make him mafia. But I have seen mafia do it just like that. Hmm there were a lot more words than necessary, but I don't agree with it not being risky. It just screams "hey these rolls are important to me", and I can't see a blue asking for clarification in thread ever. I dunno, I guess on one hand to me it seems risky for mafia to post that in the thread, and on the other hand I think a vt just isn't really thinking about those things at the moment. | ||
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On July 20 2016 22:24 Koshi wrote: If you were town, do you think you would be good reading skynx? pretty hard question. I know. Hmm I think in the 1 game that I obs'd I found him pretty town. I think he would have a difficult time making the kind of posts he usually makes if he is mafia. I honestly have no idea how it will pan out though since as mafia I never really put a lot of effort into "reading" people. It's a little different, I was trying to find out what people responded well to. Skynx is one of the players that I'm not really sure on, since he seems more to just do his own thing (other player is kush, who I have no idea since he never posts his thoughts lol). | ||
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On July 20 2016 22:38 Koshi wrote: Could you give me your full view on him near EoD? I have this genious play to let skynx and you read each other and follow those reads. pls remember because I will forget it. I'll forget also, so paging skynx: please remember! Also you're in big trouble if we're both mafai. Or are you trying to get me to tell you if you should bus your teammate? | ||
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well last game you died | ||
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is this a famous palmar mafia game?? | ||
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On July 20 2016 22:54 Skynx wrote: I can figure what went down in QT even tho i can't read it ^^ last game you were trying too hard, so we had to put a end to that! In retrospect, we shoulda killed prpl cause I had a pretty good feeling he was cop, and since I was thinking you would have been dead set on kruppe/ksc in any case. | ||
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1) with regards to this: On July 20 2016 22:31 Lunaticman wrote: You are to cynical, I would have asked as either alignment because Im new I left the "newbie out" when I made my post (literally deleted a sentence from my post before posting about "or he's just new so it could mean nothing"), since I was interested in seeing where he would go with it. Yes he's new, but at the same time he's also mentioned having obs'd a few games and I'm sure has read through all the guides and such. But at the same time it's lunatic's first game and he just wanted some clarification on things. I have to equal and opposite thoughts about it: (a) townie just isn't thinking about these things right now (what the roles are, how they will affect things)---mafia leaning; and (b) mafia doesn't want to show that they're thinking about what the roles will do in the night---town leaning point. All this to say that it amounts as a null-point at the moment, but I will def return to thinking about this in the future as the game shapes up. 2) koshi has really backed off in many respects since palmar threw some shade on him/his post. Now there can be many reasons, and i don't really want to speculate too much on this atm so it's more of an observation. | ||
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On July 20 2016 22:54 Skynx wrote: I can figure what went down in QT even tho i can't read it ^^ also this just finally dinged in my head, now that I remember that you're Tureky-blocked lol hmm elaborate scum set-up here, trying to make everyone think that you can't access qt, therefore must not be mafai! | ||
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On July 20 2016 23:26 Tumblewood wrote: actually no luna's one post is not enough to balance out his previous posting. he's been posting but hardly playing all game. that definitely warrants a scumlean in my book. (this also applies to ec) also if luna is scum I guess koshi isn't partners because why make a scum case and not go for the cred? shitty mafia move. Actually I've been playing the game a lot, so what's your scum lean based off of? | ||
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On July 20 2016 23:34 Tumblewood wrote: when I say "posting but not playing" I mean you and luna are making a lot of posts but hardly working toward solving the game. ok guess I'll just afk then + Show Spoiler + But to be serious, this is such a weak point that makes me want to scum read you for making it, but I won't. wifom question for everyone: Would tumble make this point to push me as mafia, when he made the same point in our game together as mafia? Or no connection? | ||
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On July 20 2016 23:48 Tumblewood wrote: players I have an opinion on: you (scum lean but having doubts) ec (scum lean) koshi (association stuff with you) I think I was screaming gracka but I don't remember why so it probably isn't important Since you're willing to step up: 1) What association between koshi and lunaticman? You mean town lean on koshi? 2) How can you suddenly forget about grack when you scum lean me and lunatic for "activity"? 3) No read on skynx? 4) Is this contributing? | ||
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1) Your reasons for scum leans are suuper weak. Like "pushing the game forward" or whatever, especially since I think I've actually made some pretty decent posts so far. 2) You specifically include grack, saying you think he's scummy, but give no final conclusion. Yet you scum read both me and lunatic (see point 1 above) for this very weak reason; and in my opinion, his posts, at best, have been no different from mine in terms of contribution. Now if you had just not included I don't think I would raise this point this way, but the fact that you specifically included him but then give such a weak read give me some bad feelings. Also the fact that you didn't include him in this contribution umbrella. 3) This point will end up being kind of weird, since it involves something completely un-said. I have this feeling that there is this unspoken "meta" read in your scum conclusion about me. You have made it very clear the awareness that you have for the way that I post, yet no mention of it in your actual posts on your read of me. So I get the idea that either you are meta reading me, but don't want to post it cause you think it will be weak and people will jump on you for it; or you are holding it as some sort of thing for later. Again, this is pretty off the wall, but they are my feelings on the matter (probably completely wrong tho =/). | ||
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On July 21 2016 00:50 Tumblewood wrote: ec, this is the kind of stuff I'm talking about you're making a lot of posts that don't further the game, which is definitely not a weak reason. also out of place because you make a big case on me and then go straight to "let's talk about coffee!" Cause nobody posting, I'm just enjoying life | ||
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On July 21 2016 00:54 Koshi wrote: 1 milk and 2 sugars in a cup. And I never finish the cup because I dont like coffee. Still drink 3 unfinished cups a day. On July 21 2016 00:54 Koshi wrote: But only when I am at work. I never drink coffee when I am free. Haha, I feel like this more than anything I have read, give a lot of insight to your character. | ||
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liked: 6) Rels - had post that I quoted earlier, this is totally feels OK: 12) Koshi - OK thoughts on lunatic, disappeared after palmar tho 3) Skynx - + for interactions, recently other people have been pointing out his one post of "what are other peoples' reads?" while not posting his own reads, that had kind of flown under my radar gives me a bit of a pause half meh, half OK 4) Lunaticman - + for interactions, - for the thing earlier that is kinda normalizing my thoughts on the matter towards null 13) Palmar - entry was kind of weak (an attack on koshi). but to quote koshi, it was probably something that needed to be said to stop a 100,000% town read, so + for that meh so far: 8) GrackAttack - I find his interactions have been pretty forced so far, this is pretty feelingsy tho 10) Tumblewood - not really making sense to me so far nothing so far: 1) Prplhz 2) DCWasabi 11) Kruppe the eel - posted but didn't really say anything 7) sicklucker 9) nnn_thekushmountains | ||
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On July 21 2016 00:58 nnn_thekushmountains wrote: do i really have to read all this or is it all about coffee and tea and stuff? Personally, I would read it all! | ||
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On July 21 2016 01:14 Lunaticman wrote: There is a worrying amount of silent players Hmm in a way yeah, but also people are busy in life, so I don't think too much about it atm. I'm not really sure what to make of inactivity yet. Generally I'm not a huge fan, since on a feels level it feels bad to lynch someone for being busy in real life. But on the other hand, I think mafia can have a difficult time joining in because they feel the pressure to always not be scum read for posting some random stuff. | ||
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On July 21 2016 01:57 Tumblewood wrote: happy with voting Skynx or ec at the moment, slight preference to ec L U L please give your reasoning, other than you think it will be an easy mislynch you can back up with maymays | ||
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On July 21 2016 02:07 DCWasabi wrote: OK, but if there is one thing that I learned from my first 2 games, it is that it is pretty nontrivial to "work towards solving the game" on Day 1. I think the first thing that is useful that one can do is get some activity out there day 1, and get your tone established so that you can be more easily read as town by the town moving forwards. I think this is one of the things that I actually did properly as town in the Onegu Best Host Game. Town should be trying to solve the game, but some of the players haven't even posted yet, for example it is 10am local time for me and I just woke-up 30 mins ago and am trying to get caught up. I don't scumlean either of those guys yet, tbh. At the same time, I kind of like this post by Tumble because it is the kind of thing that can help to start more meaningful discussion going and discourage people from posting random banter, otherwise they might get scum-read by this reasoning. I am going to slightly town-lean Tumble because his post leads to a slightly more favorable environment for town. In the same vein though, if we all start thinking about everything that we post will be scum read if it's a bit conversation-y then we are all now thinking like we are mafia (trust me on that one). I don't think that's a good place to go. | ||
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On July 21 2016 01:07 emperorchampion wrote: I was thinking to look more in depth, but I think the sentence that I posted sums it up pretty well actually. | ||
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On July 21 2016 02:11 Tumblewood wrote: also because no one seems to understand "posting without playing" I'll rephrase it to posting without a purpose. what if the purpose is you're having fun by doing it? | ||
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On July 21 2016 02:15 Tumblewood wrote: I don't question your reasoning on Palmar, I question the fact that you have a read on a guy who played for all of 5 minutes before leaving. What do you think my reasoning on kruppe vs my reasoning on Palmar? | ||
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On July 21 2016 02:19 emperorchampion wrote: What do you think about my reasoning on kruppe vs my reasoning on Palmar? EBWOP | ||
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On July 21 2016 02:25 Tumblewood wrote: afaik you put kruppe in the inactive null category. I can't imagine him being anywhere else. I'm surprised though that Palmar is a town lean and not in the inactive null category with him. Kinda meh/kinda OK is not a town lean category. I think that your reasons for scum reading me are exceptionally limited now. In terms of "posting with a purpose", it's arguably limited to the first few posts of this game, which is pretty lulz since that was my entry to this game. To me, you either have some sort of idea of my "meta" in your head, and you went with it after reading a bit, or you are scum trying to push for a mislynch (a vote already?). The fact that you're still tunnelling the same point, and haven't given any other reasons is very dubious. I can't trust you at all, and I reeally hope that you're not setting yourself up for an easy mislynch. | ||
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On July 21 2016 02:22 DCWasabi wrote: Sure, if it is taken to the extreme. But you can still have conversation and a light-hearted tone as long as you have good content and real posts that are aimed to move the game forward mixed in with the banter. I don't see how you can argue that most posts being banter is good for the town? Mmm not really arguing that more banter than content is good, just pointing out that I think the kind of atmosphere where people are afraid to post is a bad thing. Of course, either extreme is bad. Also a large part of me always wants to do more of the thing that people say I can't do. | ||
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On July 21 2016 02:52 Skynx wrote: This is unnecessary push. Defending yourself while you're not the main topic of conversation is not alignment indicative. Also that wasn't a defence. How so an unnecessary push? If you're scum it is certainly necessary! Also, all this I think was started from a softpush by koshi, how do you feel about that guy? | ||
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So lets talk about it: On July 21 2016 03:09 Tumblewood wrote: ec do you want a case? I'll give you a case. why ec is scum summary: 1. posting to blend in and not to push town forward 2. no clear direction in his posting (these are different points I promise) 1. take this post. there's no conceivable purpose behind this because clearly nothing piques his interest (or else it would have focused on one point) but he asks a series of unrelated questions, the answers to which would not be helpful. I see no reason to make this post besides "it's a contribution". [\quote] Actually there was a point behind it, I wanted to know if you're thinking things through. You make weak reads on me an luna, but nothing on Skynx who, at the time I felt, was also making some conversational posts. Maybe rels had some conversation in there too. Felt like an odd exclusion to me. You gave no further reasoning on that point. The grackAttack point was also to check how much you had thought through this "posting with purpose" (and at this point you had not well defined what you meant about this) point, since I felt he hadn't really contributed much at that point, and feels much more "blend-iny" to me. The first point about the koshi/lunatic thing was a little bit of clarification on my end. And the fourth point was tounge-in-cheek . So purpose to all of them. It also lead to this: Which is very defensive over nothing. literally a paragraph about inactive players out of nowhere Actually I was, in a round about way, trying to suss out an opinion from him since I found it an odd post. But he never offered, guess I should have made it more questiony. Lesson learned here. this is what I'm talking about. also: 2. I don't want to quote ec's WoT in post 299, but in 299 ec makes a big ol' case on me and then three minutes later makes a post about coffee. it shows me that he isn't concerning himself with actually pushing his reads in thread but just making a case and carrying on. you get what I mean? I get what I mean. [br] in a sentence, ec is speaking without asking to be listened to, which is imo a huge scumtell. This is actually a decent point, and I think you're right in this regard, I should probably push my points a bit more. But I figure that I will just put my thoughts out there and someone will read them to make a decision on things. | ||
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On July 21 2016 03:20 Tumblewood wrote: and I don't get how ec can be scum three games in a row, then act the exact same way the next game and notbe scumread Ah, this here guys was the post I was waiting for and honestly what I feel he has been trying to say the entire time. I'm glad that you finally came out and said what you've been setting up since the pregame, and even back to when we were mafia together in presidential. | ||
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On July 21 2016 03:27 Lunaticman wrote: Based on this I'm putting down my vote for now on EC. Even if he turns green you will be the next auto lynch. Or rather a blue should check you during the night to save a lynch target. I will change the vote if someone comes up with a better argument for a d1 lynch. So I went from highest town (iirc) to your scum vote? :o | ||
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On July 21 2016 03:34 emperorchampion wrote: Ah, this here guys was the post I was waiting for and honestly what I feel he has been trying to say the entire time. I'm glad that you finally came out and said what you've been setting up since the pregame, and even back to when we were mafia together in presidential. I'll dash your hopes before you make the point. Yes I know those have nothing to do with this game, but it's all about how you perceive me. So you're making a meta read. And it's shit because I've never even had a town game before, so your point is totally moot. Besides, to me you look like a mafia who all along is trying to make a case against me using the "I can't believe he's mafia again!" meme and get an easy mislynch. Which you still have not convinced me of. | ||
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On July 21 2016 03:41 Palmar wrote: no actually just fuck it, if people are going to revert to the stupid spamming style of playing I'm not even gonna bother trying. http://www.quicktopic.com/52/H/dnZQAJvqMFi4 gg dammit palmar, I made such a good case against tumble too | ||
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On July 21 2016 03:44 Skynx wrote: No fking way is that legit? only one way to find out | ||
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On July 21 2016 03:45 Lunaticman wrote: I think it was a good argument, and votes generate friction, which generates more content. I am totally fine voting for someone if I think the argument is good enough especially on day 1. What I find confusing is why you would demote your own arugment, that is very strange. I actually think he is fighting for his life as a townie, but the day is far from over. I dunno if this makes sense. Why would you vote for a town person? Also I am far from fighting for my life. I am "defending" my self from tumble because his arguments are so weak, they are leading me to think that he might be scum. | ||
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On July 21 2016 04:00 Lunaticman wrote: EC, tell me who would you vote for and why? Right now tumble because he feels exactly like a scum trying to go for an easy mislynch on me. Second you, since the last few posts you've made don't make any sense to me. And also, made me recall that tumble had a kinda ify case on you in the first place that was dropped immediately in favour of his case on me. Then you want to vote for me with some pretty tenuous logic. I'm close to starting to think about convincing other people that this is a real thing. | ||
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On July 21 2016 04:10 Lunaticman wrote: Redirecting suspicion to the accuser is never a good call, it makes you look desperate. I am also by far the easiet lynch target. Tumble is playing well, I think he is doing a good job as a detective so far, he is generating content. I also find it intresting the way several people are defending you. Either way there are many constolations forming in the game which will benifit town in the future. Do you think that my arguments against tumble are only because he scum read me first? Genuine curiosity here actually. | ||
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On July 21 2016 04:19 Tumblewood wrote: ? ec, I know many things I know that newb scum sucks at pretending to contribute I know that townies don't make posts with no purpose I know that, as scum, you make empty posts like you have this game and, because of this I know that you're scum. treat it like a real case and not a meme. difficult to treat it like a real case when it's not true though :o If you actually are town like many people seem to think then idk man | ||
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On July 21 2016 04:22 Lunaticman wrote: No but the timing is awful. In my mind your digging a deeper hole you should just have waited with that point. In IRL mafia where I play that would have been a fatal misstake. Waited with which point? | ||
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I'm a little confused, you think that if someone makes a case against you can't be suspicious of them? | ||
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On July 21 2016 03:55 Lunaticman wrote: No, I agree, this is my way to encourage them to participate. And I didnt say they are scum, I said they were scummy. Of course the best lynch is someone that could exonerate several players, and EC feels like a potential one. How will my vote exonerate other people? | ||
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On July 21 2016 05:02 Lunaticman wrote: I think you are town and I will switch votes soon. But I am not sure yet which player though. you can also just
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palmar I find his read list pretty underwhelming, also his vote on lunatic is not that odd in of itself but it's weird that he said he didn't notice him when clearly he did or else woudn't have voted. I don't think he was trolling at that point a lot of lunatic's posts don't add up so there's that can some people explain more their town reads on tumble? kruppe has given some reads, but without any reasoning they are a little tenuous, but at least it's something for now. rels I guess we'll see tomorrow sl??? I'm pretty not down with him not posting at all, but we'll see what happens | ||
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On July 21 2016 20:51 Rels wrote: Instant townread. Knowing Skynx doesn't have access to quicktopic, it's very likely this comment is not a joke. So it's either a town being mad or a scum faking it. The simpler explanation is often the right one. Great point! | ||
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On July 21 2016 20:57 Rels wrote: Kruppe posting 15 minutes after being called out by Palmar is suspicious. At the same time, there's no way (imo) that Kruppe could write that post in 15 minutes. | ||
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On July 21 2016 21:35 Lunaticman wrote: Also if Palmer turns red, there is a good chance EC is red too. If you can explain this in a way that makes perfect sense, then I have a 100% town read on palmar | ||
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On July 21 2016 22:11 Lunaticman wrote: Tbh I already did state my reasoning multiple times. But i don't see how it turns him into a townie from your perspective. You're reasoning is a little dubious, but I think it stems from the fact that you thought I was under a lot more pressure than I was (votes actually don't mean that much until the end of the day right now). The last bit was a bit of a joke | ||
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On July 21 2016 12:07 Tumblewood wrote: lol just remembered I have two quotes open in other tabs the note on kruppe kinda weirds me out but I think kush wouldn't be that obvious probably I think it's a good point by kush regarding kruppe's posting, but you are saying it could be TMI from kush? | ||
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On July 21 2016 22:41 Koshi wrote: I agree Palmar might be mafia. And last times I said Palmar was mafia he actually was mafia and I got night killed and people didn't lynch him. So I am glad you are in the game. I am currently thinking about Kruppe as well. What is your opinion? My current scumteam: Palmar/Kruppe/Rels Koshi: Rels seems pretty towny to me, can you explain the scum read? | ||
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On July 21 2016 22:45 Lunaticman wrote: I actually demand to know what you are referencing "his style suggests that he's not aware of certain stuff behind posts" why don't you enlighten me? And I think I have a pretty good handle on the game atm, I'll follow my instinct until I am proven wrong. I am actually quite easy to convince if you bring out good arguments. I have not done a single action without justifying it, compared to many of the other players. And also, everyone gets lynched at some point. It is only a matter on how you go out that you can choose. Who are the players that have done something without justification in your mind? | ||
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On July 21 2016 22:52 Lunaticman wrote: I would say most of the votes are based nothing atm besides mine. Also there has been a lot of undermining of people which is a typical Master suppression technique favored among mafia. So it's pretty much just votes that you're talking about being unjustified? Also what is this about the "Master suppression" technique, if you see something lets discuss it and see where it heads. | ||
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Koshi I understand that you want to push teams this game and not individual players, but your links between the team mates are very tenuous. Personally, I find that rels has looked pretty towny so far. The bit where you say that scum will include 1 other scum is an interesting point that I completely agree with, but your scum conclusion of kruppe seems to be based off of Palmar's post. As you said, kruppe is null (I suppose before his reads post, which may have changed things). So I agree with a lot of the points that you've made, and I do think that Palmar's reads list was pretty shoddy. However, especially the rels part feels like a huge stretch. | ||
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On July 21 2016 20:41 Rels wrote: I don't like this post. DC I need you to explain yourself on two things. 1- You say "Town should be trying to solve the game". Now you say it's hard to solve the game at the time of this post because "some of the players haven't even posted yet". BUT the players Tumble are talking about have posted quite a lot already. So this doesn't apply ? What is the motivation that pushed you making this post ? Why do you disagree with Tumble here ? 2 - Why do you don't scumlean either of those guys "yet" ? Cause it seems like yuo plan on scumleaning them later, which doesn't make sense, if they are scummy you should scumlean them now ? So the post in question was followed by: On July 21 2016 05:01 DCWasabi wrote: Fuck, slow-down with the 1-liners everyone. Want to clarify my stance a bit on the Tumble vs Empc thing as it seems like it is important. I TR Tumblewood because I think he is trying to promote a good environment for town and he seems to be reading and interested in solving things. I don't agree with his argument that Empc is necessarily scum though, because I think he actually is playing a bit differently this game... for example I don't see him making "logical leaps" like he did in Onegu or pushing as hard as he did early in that game; so I don't think that you can scum read him just off of Meta. Tumble vs Empc seems T v T initially. Let's focus on some not-useless shit. I gotta get back to work for a bit, but I will be around... So especially point 2 from rels is really put into question. | ||
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On July 21 2016 22:36 emperorchampion wrote: I think it's a good point by kush regarding kruppe's posting, but you are saying it could be TMI from kush? | ||
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On July 21 2016 23:43 Lunaticman wrote: It just feels like the votes are not adding up to what ppl are talking about. I agree, we need to consolidate since right now there are like 6 people being voted for. | ||
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On July 21 2016 23:58 Grackaroni wrote: It's in my filter. I don't think I can explain it any better. My experience with Kush makes me think his tone is off. Town Kush doesn't give a crap. Scum Kush feels some obligation not to fuck over his teammates. I kind of agree with this, also I did find his scum list pretty underwhelming since he usually only put like max 5 names on the list from what i can recall. This is a pretty stupid point, but he's also been way more active this game than in previous ones from my experience. | ||
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On July 21 2016 23:52 Lunaticman wrote: Isn't it hard playing as town? I think Koshi made some good points. But I dont want Palmer to walk especially since he hasn't been active. Koshi did make some good points. My slight suspicion on kush taints my views of koshi though, since I think that koshi gave a kinda wierd defense of kush. I dunno, so far I think it's harder to play as mafia, also waaay more stressful! | ||
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On July 22 2016 00:36 prplhz wrote: Just start stacking votes on Rels and see where it leads. Pros: He's scum Cons: Maybe he's town but then we'll figure out something else But seriously, we need this to go somewhere other than 6 different directions and Rels could absolutely be scum. So start stacking votes on him. I think i agree with this the most | ||
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On July 22 2016 00:45 Palmar wrote: I actually forgot rels is in the game and I'll join in with prplhz's cause. How can you forget, he made a decent number of posts earlier in the (irl) day? | ||
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On July 22 2016 01:11 Koshi wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/511409-onegu-is-the-best-host-mafia?user=Kruppe the Eel You see? I don't even have to read till the end of his first page to see he is advancing the game in his own style. Which was pretty fun when I read it. This game? Nothing. It is not blind luck. He is way more underwhelming than his last game. He was one of the first to see Vivax was town and Snickers mafia in that game. DISCLAIMER: I actually do not know if Kruppe was town in that game. Yeah he was town. At the same time, we don't really know if he's advancing this game or not. For instance he also was heavy on the ksc lynch train last game, who ended up being town. And here he is one of the first to cast suspicion on rels, which seems to be a popular thing. I dunno the more I think about it, the less I want to lynch him. Also I like playing with kruppe , so by this I would prefer to lynch sicklucker over kruppe | ||
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On July 22 2016 01:23 Koshi wrote: He didn't cast any suspicion on Rels. It was 4 names and Rels was one of them. But he didn't redirect town towards rels AT ALL. He is playing very obviously less pro town than that last game. He is not pushing town towards the right direction and he is just sitting there roleplaying. There is really no reason to leave him alive. Except if you find a person who is likely more mafia than him atm. Which could be Rels. You're probably right, I just have a hard time accepting it | ||
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On July 20 2016 19:47 Rels wrote: Something needs to be said right now. We won't ever use the majority vote to end the day early. Barring things like a red check or a fakeclaim ofc. Longer day is almost always a good thing. More time to solve the game, more time to hear what lynch candidates have to say, no risk of snap lynching a scummy townie that is just AFK. If you're against that speak now then STFU forever. This is a good point, but just free townie points I suppose. On July 20 2016 19:58 Rels wrote: Why would revealing more about yourself would "spoil the fun" ? I am an active player as either alignment. As town I have the most success finding scum by finding inconsistency in what they say. As scum I try to replicate that to destroy lynchbait. Haven't really seen either this game I think. On July 20 2016 20:39 Rels wrote: Jailkeeper protects a person each night, like a doctor. The difference is that he also roleblocks his target. If his target is a cop for example, the cop will be protected but won't be able to check someone that night. If the jailkeeper target is a mafia killing someone, his target won't be able to carry the kill (IE no mafia kill will happen). Strongarm: during the night, the mafia can kill one person. If their target is protected, the kill won't happen. BUT the strongarm can make it so that the kill will bypass protection. Godfather: a cop can check a person each night to learn his alignment: town or mafia. A godfather will return "town" to a cop acheck. This kinda thing could fall under the posting to seem like contributing, but not really contributing anything banner. On July 21 2016 20:28 Rels wrote: Lunatic is very townie for a newbie. Always questioning stuff posted in the thread + posting when there are silence in the thread to give boost to the game. It doesn't seem like it but it actually is hard to continually post as scum, so it's a towntell that he's doing these in his first forum mafia game. I like this post. On July 21 2016 20:54 Rels wrote: Why are SL / Kruppe scummy when they have done nothing at all ? On July 21 2016 21:02 Rels wrote: Alright meeting time, see you in a few hours (= please answer my question if I've asked you one earlier. My mind atm: Town Lunatic Skynx EC Tumble Palmar Scum Koshi Kruppe DC People missing are null. His town list seems a little at odds, notably the Palmar inclusion. Seems like he's raising some questions about Palmar's town list, but then has him as town. Seems a little odd. Also I've pointed out the thing about his comments on DC, and how he ignored the second post. I think the town thing and palmar + the thing about missing DC's post are the things that I find most off. | ||
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You of all people should know, you started a post chain about it! | ||
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No dislike, just think kruppe is funnier | ||
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On July 22 2016 03:10 Lunaticman wrote: Maybe I was unclear, I was thinking about the Vigilante versus parity cop. Does one exclude the other or are they the same thing? I was confused by the statement. I mean is he lying because he claimed cop? Sigh, it's because of the game setup. One setup has parity cop the other has vigilante, but not both together | ||
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On July 22 2016 03:28 sicklucker wrote: I dont think anyone really claimed except lunatic might have claimed vt lul hahaha | ||
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On July 22 2016 03:32 Palmar wrote: Kruppe is a crapshot, but as always with policy lynches, there exists a reason to play like he does as mafia, and none as town, so technically he should objectively be mafia. On the other hand, trolls rarely care if they're playing anti town so whatever. Also, bro. I'm not joking, the list post was literally me randomizing the people in the game and adding some categories headers. I think my own name is in one of the null categories. It's 100% bullshit and should be treated as such. Either you are highlighting some serious flaws with everyone in this game right now, or you are lying. And I'm honestly not sure which. Probably it's true that RNG has the same reading capabilities as 13 humans. OK, so then what was the motivation for your initial vote on lunatic? | ||
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Kruppe's post about rels was kind of wierd, like I feel a bit like he could have been trying to save him by saying "oh I scum read him for this initially, but now I don't see it". But at the same time, I think it would be a good oppourtunity for mafia to take credit if rels does flip red. So I dunno how I feel about that overall. | ||
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On July 22 2016 03:41 Palmar wrote: I thought his post about trying to force people to make mistakes by voting them was dumb in a fun way, so I voted him "to try to get him to make mistakes". ie: I voted him to troll his reasoning. idontknowwhatiexpected.gif | ||
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DC has become a bit of a wildcard, could be an OK vote at this point prpl I think is town for now | ||
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On July 22 2016 03:55 Palmar wrote: Solid reason, or well, a non-scummy way of doing things in the game. Good plan. OK yeah prpl is town for me. | ||
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On July 22 2016 04:04 Lunaticman wrote: Was Haze fake claiming role too? likely | ||
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Reading through his filter, as a few people have pointed out, most of his posts feel like free town point posts and not too much else. | ||
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Hmm I think that they're equally good, but maybe for different reasons. The defense between Rels and Kruppe is pretty real I think. | ||
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On July 22 2016 05:25 Lunaticman wrote: I just feel like we wont gain any information from kruppe... Im going to bed in 30 min, so please decide before that what we are going for. We can get some vote count analysis maybe. Here's the thing though, anyone that flips green gives pretty much 0 info cause they had no info to begin with, especially day 1. We will only get info off of a red flip. | ||
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On July 22 2016 05:56 Kruppe the Eel wrote: Kruppe read Rels as a friend at the start of the game. OK this I think makes total sense now. yeah I don't want to lynch kruppe | ||
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On July 22 2016 06:05 sicklucker wrote: kush just scumread everyone and it was really weird. he even voted me and I was voting a person for voting him It is weird, but I don't know if it's mafia | ||
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On July 22 2016 06:13 Rels wrote: DC is still the best lynch I agree with this sentiment guys. Unless one of them shows up, I think we should stay on DC. | ||
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I'm not really sure if the kill tells us anything. I expected a kill on either Koshi or Kruppe. @Kruppe: I would really like to hear the motivation for jailkeeping tumble | ||
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If we get the mafia goon, then more or less confirm that it was a fake claim also. Maybe in some of the spam of the last few pages it was discussed that if he's jailkeep that means there could be a vigilante (50/50 odds). Since he lead people to believe that he was cop of some sort, if there was a vig then they might have shot. Therefore, it makes his jailkeep claim a little more dubious. This is something to keep in mind as we progress with maybe some kills or more info. Also, I don't think we should counter-claim since I think we can figure it out regardless, but maybe someone with more experience can give some opinion. | ||
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On July 22 2016 22:38 Koshi wrote: Like... I think most mafia are in here and decided to kill Palmar due to this list. Tumble Skynx Rels. Krupp is confirmed blue unless CC. I forgot about this list. If the blue claim is fake, then yes I pretty much agree with it, otherwise seems too neat. One thing about Tumble: maybe he really doesn't like playing as scum, I didn't get that feeling too much when playing with him, but he seems to be pretty disinterested this game. So I had this thought that he could only be scum with Kruppe maybe since it's kinda like playing with the trolly Moosy like in presidential. In my mind, Rels could likely be mafia at the moment. One other thing is that I'm worried that you could be mafia, and this is a very legitimate thing to push if so =/ | ||
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On July 22 2016 22:51 Lunaticman wrote: Yes I was thinking the same thing, but isn't that what they want us to believe? I mean either your assumption is correct or we should inverse the list and look there instead. Night kills are always wifom yeah. Personally I have other reasons to suspect that it could be Rels so it makes sense to look there at the moment. Palmar feels a bit like a wifom kill, but I think it's also a fear kill. I guess we should ask ourselves who would be afraid of Palmar if it's fear? | ||
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On July 22 2016 23:00 Koshi wrote: oh 1 more thing. I think DCW played very townie when he came back to the thread. agree? Agreed! I don't think you say those things to deflect heat as mafia, seemed too personal. | ||
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Seems like there is probably 1 scum in Skynx/Koshi atm? | ||
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On July 22 2016 23:20 Kruppe the Eel wrote: Mayhaps Kruppe did not intend to save Tumblewood. Are there other reasons for jailing people | ||
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On July 22 2016 23:25 Skynx wrote: That's a sly line. If you're not town reading me for pointing out crucial mistakes from a town pillar I don't know what makes me town. This is not you Koshi. I had a solid D1, both kush and Palmar were my townreads and I pushed agaisnt kush lynch when it was still in discussion. I had no reason to townread kush when the only main argument on why he's scum, by Grack was based on tone and I pushed grack for it. Now I only have to figure out who are your teammates. This seems very hasty. Having kush and palmar as town is really no town credit at all, since they were both at least somewhat ambiguous. More leans towards TMI for me. | ||
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On July 22 2016 06:56 Damdred wrote: Day 1 Votecount Kruppe the Eel(1): DCWasabi(3): Rels, Rels (2): Skynx(1): Kruppe the Eel, emperorchampion (1): Sicklucker(1):: nnn_thekushmountains Palmar(0):: Lunaticman(0): nnn_thekushmountains (5): Not voting (0): Deadline is in on Thursday, Jul 21 10:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) Currently kush is set to be lynched with five votes. if anything is wrong please pm your local mod support So if we go with DC as green and koshi as green, then we have probably at least 1 scum in Grack/sicklucker. That would mean 1-2 scum in Tumble / prpl / rels skynx lunatic probably green let me think some more on this | ||
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On July 22 2016 23:45 Koshi wrote: I don't think there was any incentive for mafia to jump to or create the Kush wagon. So don't assume mafia showed face. The only thing you can assume is that mafia tends to spread out a bit. It's what mafia does. That's what I'm thinking. I think DC being scum would reveal itself later on since if we catch people that hopped or refused to join his bus as scum then he is probably scum as well. But for now I'm working on the assumption he is town. | ||
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Out of those, I think tumble/prpl are most likely mafia. Oh yeah, most 1 mafia out of prpl/rels most likely | ||
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But question: what made it so pressing to kill palmar over killing a blue claim? | ||
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On July 23 2016 00:59 Lunaticman wrote: Man this is hard. jesus. I am honestly still in chock from night 1. Tbh I think out of you two my feeling is that Koshi is more scum. But we would probably get more information if you got lynched. So hard... Talk to me luatic, why do you think we get more info from Skynx lynch? | ||
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On July 23 2016 01:31 Rels wrote: I have some good news for me, but bad for the game. I have a surprise weekend in the wild so I won't be here all weekend. Given that I was almost lynched yesterday that means that I could be lynched because of that today but I can't do anything about it. If I don't die before that I'll be back Monday. Not available right now but I'll be there in a few hours to read the thread & comment, after that I'll be gone. Well good news if you're scum, bad news if you're town. | ||
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On July 23 2016 02:01 prplhz wrote: Kruppe the Eel is just jail keeper for now. Koshi did a lot of work yesterday, both making cases and trying to steer town in the right direction. I already said that it would be weird of him to antagonize a town Palmar if he was just going to kill him anyway. I also think he's a good night kill so lynching him on d2 seems silly. Lets lynch him in LYLO or something, okay? Skynx is going (or trying to go) 1v1 against a confirmed unlynchable townie. I assume scum isn't in a desperate nigh unwinnable situation after the mislynch so I don't think this is a hail mary scum strategy. I'm fairly town? Lunaticman is a lunatic but probably also town. Palmar, nnn_thekushmountains, both pretty green according to Race Bannon's cases. I'm going to go ahead and call sicklucker town too for now. We had the same thoughts about Kruppe the Eel's claim. I'm sure he's gonna come in here and say "I would do this as scum too" and "You would shoot as vigilante too" because that's very sickluckerish, but whatever. That leaves: Rels, Tumblewood, Grackaroni, emperorchampion, DCWasabi. So I'm just going to read into those people at some point. Can you expand a little more your thoughts on the palmar/koshi antagonize thing? | ||
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On July 23 2016 02:57 Grackaroni wrote: The only thing that sticks out to me from Palmar is that he was one of the few suspicious of Tumblewood. It's either because of that or the scum team is just bad. I think the only way Palmar kill is good is if koshi is scum. But koshi really seems like town, and I agree that he should be off the table for d2 in any case. One other thought is that they could have thought that maybe palmar is blue since he was playing a little trolly earlier on. I think the best thing we can do right now is to establish towny-ness, I think scum hunting comes second at the moment. Right now scum really need to take out our cop role, and likely their rollblock will be tied up with kruppe, so if we get a good enough town circle with 1 or 2 cop checks we can roll them over pretty easy. | ||
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On July 23 2016 03:13 Grackaroni wrote: I don't see the logic of it. Palmar was townreading Koshi. Scumhunting is how we will establish ourselves as town. For the palmar kill: I don't see any reason to kill palmar over koshi, but maybe scum have a different idea of things. I mean, yeah I guess so. I think there are other ways of establishing townie-ness (meta or whatever) though. I guess I'm just more concerned with getting a good town circle the definitely killing a scum today. Also grack: assume that myself, koshi, kruppe, lunatic and dc are all green, who is scum to you? | ||
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On July 23 2016 03:14 Skynx wrote: Think about it this way. Palmar and kush are two incredibly good analytical players. They are both eliminated and some people have no problem with this. In retrospect I'm so sad about the kush kill , we really need DC to step up | ||
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On July 23 2016 03:22 Grackaroni wrote: Why am I making this assumption? I think that would leave a scumteam of SL/Rels/Tumblewood. But this is tentative. I'm going to be here for a while making a thorough reread of this game. I'm going to make sure the day 2 lynch hits scum since my day 1 lynch did not. Why do you have rels/tumble on the same team? | ||
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On July 23 2016 03:44 Lunaticman wrote: I want the lynch today to be someone of these three: 10) Tumblewood 11) Kruppe the eel 12) Koshi I am positive there is at least one scum among them. It feels like Skynx and Koshie are town. I had Tumble down as town too. Kruppe is an enigma too me. I don't have time to do any deep analysis for until tomorrow though. Why do you want to lynch a blue? Why do you want to lynch koshi, who you think is town? | ||
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On July 23 2016 03:57 Damdred wrote: please use green text for questions. As for the question the strong can shoot through the jail but if he is rb by the jk he loses that ability for the night and shots aren't refunded oh yeah my bad, thanks! | ||
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On July 23 2016 04:43 Rels wrote: The reasonning is simple. Tumble tunneled me the last game we played together. We were both town. He had a thoughtful reasonning as to why I was scum, but he was super wrong. Nevertheless he tunneled me and lost the game when mafia piled the votes on me. He said post game he was going to work on his tunnel. But he's doing the opposite this game. He's tunneling me so much this game that he's scumreading Koshi uniquely because "Rels is scum". Apart from that he gave 0 reason as to why I'm scum. Scum scum scum I dunno this is really reaching, no? | ||
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On July 23 2016 05:35 sicklucker wrote: its not really a great thing to go off if your not one of those people on that list. Because its not 100%. Like people here have played with palmar. tumble might have made that kill too everyone tells him how great palmar is. Theres probably a few im missing too. But there is quite a few people who wouldnt it just means one of us are leading them. Now its more interesting for me because I know im town. And im quite sure koshis town. so for me it does mean something because I have more information then you and it says the sucm team most likely rels/grack. (tumble is not much of a leader but its possible just not very likely same for others) Who do you think could be third with rels/grack team? | ||
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On July 23 2016 07:10 Kruppe the Eel wrote: The rels lynch is not Kruppe-approved. Kruppe will read a little tomorrow! His last meal for certain. Can you make your rels read crystal clear kruppe? | ||
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On July 23 2016 07:42 emperorchampion wrote: Can you make your rels read crystal clear kruppe? Like why are you so certain that he is town? Would be of greatest help!! | ||
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I think we should all post a reads list including some mafia and town before eod b/c of silent night. Very likely Town: -lunatic -kruppe -koshi -skynx (maybe some inconsistencies between skynx/koshi) Probably town: -dc -prpl Maybe mafia: -grack -rels Probably mafia -tumble -sl There are some issues with the mafia list since maybe only 1 of tumble/rels is likely mafia, and the point above with skynx/koshi. I may post a huge dump of notes if it looks like I won't be back before the end of day. | ||
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On July 24 2016 01:04 prplhz wrote: @emperorchampion Why is DCWasabi town? It's mostly a tone based read at the moment. I think he could easily be mafia though. | ||
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On July 24 2016 05:56 Lunaticman wrote: Town needs to find a mafia from this list: Rels, Koshi, emperorchampion, Grackaroni, prplhz I think prpl is probably town, so that leaves rels/koshi/grack. But can you explain more, the thread has been moving really fast. We still have time. | ||
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On July 24 2016 05:58 Lunaticman wrote: Tbh, as mafia it is worth the trade because you get another 2v1. And you have to spend the next lynch for it, so it is almost a 3 for 1. No every mafia would do it. It is highly likely at least 2 mafia voted for tumble. It's a little bit wifom also, cause if tumble is mafia, and a mafia hammers (no town would), then we are getting 2 maf for free. | ||
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On July 24 2016 06:17 sicklucker wrote: thats not true at all vote logic can prove him town going forward. Its really stupid to lynch him acualy. eveni f you think hes mafia you should go after his partners because tumbleweed is basically a cop check at this point. his alignment will be revealed later based on the votes There are a ton of nulls in this game to cop check though, so we're not at a loss there. | ||
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On July 24 2016 06:55 Lunaticman wrote: I just wish we had another blue claim right now to work of. it's too late for that now | ||
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I think cop only claims if they are about to be lynched or if the lynch target is checked green. | ||
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gg tumble, I think you played well in a tough situation (I know cause it was very similar to the game I just played lol) | ||
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On July 24 2016 20:01 prplhz wrote: Eh whatever. I make a small case on DCWasabi Koshi agrees (does this several times but I'm not gonna link all times) sicklucker agrees Lunaticman agrees Koshi asks to move FROM Tumblewood TO DCWasabi Lunaticman agrees more strongly At this point I think me and Koshi moved our votes to DCWasabi. Grackaroni comes in and agrees on DCWasabi lynch Lunaticman suggests just lynching him Yet the lynch never takes off at all, most votes he got was two. I'm being read town by most people, Lunaticman is literally crazier than Chezinu (and universally town read). Koshi, sicklucker, Grackaroni, we all wanted to switch to DCWasabi. But scum doesn't do anything, it just oddly fades out. Because DCWasabi is scum! This is also something I've been wondering Hmm was his vote on koshi before or after the vote on grack started? Let me check. I don't know if mafia has that bad communication. | ||
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I dunno I have a feeling that sl is the better target still though. | ||
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On July 24 2016 20:26 sicklucker wrote: emperor why did you vote one person in the vote thread and vote the other in the main thread with like 3 minutes before deadline? I dunno some crazy lunaticman strat | ||
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On July 24 2016 20:16 sicklucker wrote: eh no we are both town im pretty sure I dont see how you can reach that conclusion if even I think that ##vote emperorchapion aka the guy lurking at the end waiting to see if he could save tumble If you think that I'm mafia after that Tumble flipping mafia you are straight cray cray... yeah you are def mafia | ||
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I think we lynch sl, and go from there. | ||
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On July 25 2016 07:21 sicklucker wrote: you have ot admit tho emperor not voting tumble at the end of the day is suspect when grak almost got lynched. since he was clearly there lurking and had wanted tumble lynched all day. thats all I was talking about when I made my comments about him. I didnt consider his entire game Well I had no idea whether or not tumble was going to flip maf or not | ||
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On July 25 2016 07:42 prplhz wrote: did something change on TL Mafia and now people just give up after a lynch or what What chu mean? | ||
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On July 25 2016 08:13 sicklucker wrote: but you had no problem voting him the rest of the day. the only time you seemed to hesitate was when tumble had a chance to live Actually I backed off when there was almost hammer on him because hammer is stupid. I think it turned out ok since the vote turned out 6/4, which is a lot better than 6/2/1/1/1 or whatever | ||
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On July 25 2016 08:31 Grackaroni wrote: We're pretty much just putting the game on hold until Rels shows up right? Hmm maybe we can find something juicy , I will probably look through end of day 2 tomorrow morning. | ||
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Idea for Palmar kill: maf was afraid of his reads. Palmar could either be killed for reads or for wifom (blue hunt is slight possibility as well). If wifom, that would mean that most likely his last read list was inaccurate, meaning that there would be at least 1 scum in koshi/prpl. It looks like things are shaping up such that this isn't the case, so I want to explore the other option. Palmar was probably killed because the maf feared him, meaning his reads and experience. I think that teams that best fits this, based on Palmar's latest scum leans is: tumble/sl/skynx. | ||
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For most of this game I've had the feeling that there is 1 scum in grack/sl, and grack is certainly town (unless there was some bus going on d2). From what I remember sicklucker's arguments are that he would have given up already if he was mafai, which I don't believe, and that we should lynch DC because of red check (see previous paragraph). I'm not convinced that this is towny thinking here. | ||
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If DC does have a red check on him, and sicklucker is town, then he can take that in a heartbeat since he's dead anyways. | ||
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Dude really? On July 24 2016 06:18 Kruppe the Eel wrote: This is Kruppe's list of traitors: - Tumblewood - DCWasabi - emperorchampion/skynx Either Kruppe is completely wrong or wrong on at most 1 person. Let us kill Tumblewood, friends! On July 24 2016 06:33 Kruppe the Eel wrote: Kruppe the Eel(1): On July 24 2016 06:33 Kruppe the Eel wrote: My wagon was all town? On July 25 2016 21:21 Koshi wrote: You can lynch sl, he can be red, easily, but my list is prplhz lunatic dcw sl skynx top is most mafia and if either dcw or sl flips mafia in the future the other one needs to be autolynch. This was the most brief sampling from 2 confirmed towns (I was mostly looking for evidence that they didn't think it was dcw actually). Also Palmar didn't think that DC was mafia either. Look at the votes, the dude has been the final vote on 2 townies. Look at his post before he hammered "oh sorry for doing this thing is wrong LOL" | ||
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Also looking back at it, that fake cop claim bullshit with the red name. I'm sure that's what set koshi on to him, damn koshi should have claimed in retrospect, probably would have if prpl hadn't hammered | ||
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On July 26 2016 21:43 Skynx wrote: Kruppe also scrumread SL and me in that list so not a great reference. yeah actually that 1st post is with reference to nothing lol, I dunno why I copied it. What I found tho was the bit about "only towns on my wagon?". | ||
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gg koshi, good town stuff | ||
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On July 26 2016 22:09 Lunaticman wrote: If we lose it is koshis fault, the only reason he probably didn't claim was because I told him to do it? kappa. If he cleared maybe DC/Grac for example we would have won this easy. There is only one person dying today Skynx. he was on the grac train and on ALL OTHER TOWNiES. #Vote Skynx It was likely due to who he checked, but there is no use in speculating I think. Def not koshi's fault, I was super blind yesterday, not really thinking about anything too clearly. Also there is a chance he was going to claim, but never had a chance due to day ending early. I do agree with you that skynx could be mafia. | ||
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On July 26 2016 22:22 Lunaticman wrote: I'm telling you if koshi claimed, at least he could have lead the town. I'm positive the hammer on SL wouldn't have happend then. Everyone who voted on the Grac lynch is dead expect me and Skynx. If he is not mafia I will be fucking amazed. Why wouldn't at least one mafia try to save him and swing the vote. if Tumble had survived they would have been in a really good position. Because it would not have been certain he would get lynched again. Look at Grels and DC, they are "town" now because they didn't get lynched. Yeah good point about the grack train. I mean grack was pretty town before tbh, it was just mafia miasma. We shouldn't tunnel tooo hard (just a little hard) on prpl and skynx tho. But I'm sure that there is at least 1 mafia in those 2. | ||
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If prpl is mafia do you think that dcw is also mafia? | ||
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On July 26 2016 22:46 Lunaticman wrote: I am going through haze filter and I regret saying I could lynch him, he has had so many accurate reads this game but none of his lynch target have gone through (execpt tumble). I think we might exonorate him if DC turns mafia. I think I'd much rather get DC than Skynx after reading this too. Why would you regret saying you could lynch him? He's done some scummy stuff. Like what % would you put on it? | ||
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prpl - 80% lunatic - 60% skynx - 40% dcw - 20% rest - 0% | ||
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On July 26 2016 22:59 Lunaticman wrote: I'm going t go through koshis filter a bit and see what he says: #unvote #vote DC btw lunatic, who are you trying to convince with your dcw vote? | ||
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I can't believe that I didn't piece together that koshi was cop yesterday, especially when he was posting about everybody needing to do the reads thing, since I had the exact same thought at the end of day 2 that we all need to post reads in order to hide our cop in the future since silent nights. His day 1 check was grack (really good check btw lol), and I was probably his day 2 check (likely due to the last minute vote). I know his day 1 check was grack because after grack posted about only towny people voting for tumble (great post btw), koshi switched there as well. He put 2 people as 0% mafia on his last list, grack and I. I am writing this part first to convince you that I'm town and not trying to deceive you at all in this. We should treat both grack and I confirmed town here. The day 1 stuff with lunatic and tumble makes complete sense where tumble made his push on me and then lunatic was like "oh yeah I'm convinced", then "oh yeah he's town, but I'm still voting for him to put pressure", and tumble didn't call him out on it either (note: I didn't verify that tumble didn't call him out, but I'm pretty certain). Like if lunatic was town, that's sooo many good town points for jumping onto lunatic for some stupid posting. And there is no reason not too IF he is town, since a lynch is a lynch. One other thing, lunatic and tumble both do not seem like the type that would be likely to bus teammates. Other evidence is the "trap" stuff lunatic was posting about at the end of day 2, which was I guess just complete non-sense. Like start reading from here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/511784-who-needs-72-hours-anyway?user=Koshi&page=12 Another thing I came across was the stuff from Kruppe, which I'll repost here: On July 24 2016 06:33 Kruppe the Eel wrote: Kruppe the Eel(1): On July 24 2016 06:33 Kruppe the Eel wrote: My wagon was all town? More evidence against prpl here. On July 25 2016 17:49 Koshi wrote: prplhz is mafia. And for all the insane fucking things Lunatic has done. I think he never ever once said anything about prplhz. I am sure it is those 2. ggwpnore. Fuck I can't believe it. Mafia can't hide forever I guess. It honestly clicked like a puzzle or something on my walk here, I'm sure there is more evidence on prpl, but I'm totally convinced it's them at this point. | ||
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On July 27 2016 00:15 Grackaroni wrote: EC and Skynx you have a history of reading each other well right? Well more so skynx, since I've always been mafia lol | ||
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On July 27 2016 00:16 Skynx wrote: I'm willing to take blame on myself if emperor ends up being scum yes. He's scumgame is out there, this isn't one. See my post, there is no way I am scum unless you think that koshi is the worst cop in the history of the game. | ||
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On July 27 2016 00:18 prplhz wrote: are you lynching Lunaticman after me by association? Well, we will probably dig up more evidence on you. | ||
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gotta do pepsi jinx bro | ||
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On July 27 2016 00:25 DCWasabi wrote: Yes, please don't fucking hammer again unless you want to advertise you are scum. I still want to hear from Rels as he has been on point this game (I think). Grack is smart too, but you were really wrong on SL as you made 2 cases against him, one earlier and one recently. But I understood your reasoning. DCW: grack is town. | ||
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Hope I'm not being seriously out played here You wanna do luna first? | ||
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On July 27 2016 04:56 prplhz wrote: Palmar said 99.99% on d1. Based on tone. A tone he's consistently kept all the way through this game. He didn't even slow down, he just kept going. I don't know why I say this because Grackaroni knew this already and no one else cares. heh, this can be an award for d1 fails | ||
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Early in the game prpl had some line of questioning on lunatic, and the end result was a town read. Which at the time I didn't find too odd due to lunatic being town read hard, but in retrospect I remember the conclusion being really weak. | ||
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On July 27 2016 05:23 prplhz wrote: i said i really wanted to scum read him for not making sense but i wasn't gonna lynch him d1 because he was a newbie with tons of activity Hmm I just remember the conclusion being kinda odd, but just kinda leaving it at that. I guess in retrospect I shoulda brought it up, but at the time I was more concerned with making a strong town circle I think. | ||
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On July 27 2016 05:27 Lunaticman wrote: In hindsight I did pretty good for having half the town scum read me because I have no previous meta/ lots of activity. What do you mean by this? | ||
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On July 27 2016 05:47 Grackaroni wrote: Did mafia concede? nope! we just chittin the chat | ||
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Hmm, big fan of Kusmi's Troika and Prince Wladmir. Twinning's Earl Grey is a good classic. Cream Earl Grey pretty good. Ahmad cardamon or aromatic earl grey are good. Milk Oolong is nice. Jasmine green is good. Looking at this list green is a genre that I definitely need to explore more. That's decent off the top of my head. For iced tea I really like the cardamon. How about you? | ||
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On July 27 2016 05:53 Lunaticman wrote: It's kinda funny how everyone is displaying Master suppression techniques: Without putting any effort into it this is Skynx and EC in a nutshell (I copy pasted this): Making invisible[edit] To silence or otherwise marginalize persons in opposition by ignoring them. Examples: Another speaker takes something you have said as if it was an idea of their own, or starts speaking despite it being your turn. As it is your turn to speak, the other attendees start to talk to each other, browse through their papers, etc. Ridicule[edit] See also: Appeal to ridicule In a manipulative way to portray the arguments of, or their opponents themselves, in a ridiculing fashion. Example: Another speaker laughs at your accent and compares you to a character in a humorous TV show (although you had something important to say). When making an accusation of wrongdoing against someone, you are being told that you look cute when you're angry. Withhold information[edit] To exclude a person from the decision making process, or knowingly not forwarding information so as to make the person less able to make an informed choice. Examples: Your colleagues have a meeting that concerns you, without inviting you. Decisions are made not in a conference where everyone is present, but at a dinner party later in the evening, where only some attendants have been invited. Double bind[edit] See also: Double bind To punish or otherwise belittle the actions of a person, regardless of how they act. Examples: When you do your work tasks thoroughly, you receive complaints for being too slow. When you do them efficiently, you're critiqued for being sloppy. Heap blame/put to shame[edit] To embarrass someone, or to insinuate that they are themselves to blame for their position. Example: You inform your manager that you are being slandered, but are told it is your fault since you dress provocatively. I'm actually a little hurt if you're actually lumping me in that category. I think I've been one of the more fairly spoken players this game, but I dunno. | ||
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On July 27 2016 05:59 Lunaticman wrote: I'm sorry only you can answer that question. You think I've been ignoring you or rude? | ||
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On July 26 2016 22:46 Lunaticman wrote: I am going through haze filter and I regret saying I could lynch him, he has had so many accurate reads this game but none of his lynch target have gone through (execpt tumble). I think we might exonorate him if DC turns mafia. I think I'd much rather get DC than Skynx after reading this too. Why can you not even consider the most scum read player in the game right now? | ||
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On July 27 2016 05:14 Lunaticman wrote: No way. It's: Skynx DC/EC (if EC is not part of the cop check from koshi). Probably dead tonight: Grac or Rels. I think both SL and I are going to laugh if the town loses this. Here you should ask yourself why SL so strongly thought that DCW was mafia. | ||
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On July 27 2016 06:24 Lunaticman wrote: I don't see your point? SL was town, isn't that a great argument for getting DC? Jesus christ it was the same with kruppe, I explained that in detail but people just ignored that. First you think he is mafia, then you want to use his reads!?!? wow what is going on. Well a large part of the reason he thought that DCW was mafia was because of fake cop bread crumb from prpl | ||
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On July 27 2016 06:29 Lunaticman wrote: I was talking about Kruppe. And how Skynx was using that against me in regards to Haze. So you also think that I am using SL reads now? | ||
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On July 27 2016 06:30 Lunaticman wrote: Well when it all came down to it, did we really have any good reasons for lynching anyone even Tumble? No that was a lucky strike, and it might have been the same for DC. His posts are to perfect and far inbetween. It is truely a work of art compared to me. I personally had pretty good reasons for lynching tumble, it did feel pretty shaky at the time. Anyhow, you don't find it at all suspicous that the guy who ended the day early was the same as the guy who was fake breadcrumbing. And also did so against a person that was currently town reading him, and actually thought he was a blue role? Why would a towny do that? | ||
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Why would you not set him straight before hammering then lol? Also why would you hammer someone who thought you were a blue role? | ||
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Nominate me for lulziest town play, guess it's part of the learning experience. | ||
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On July 27 2016 06:54 Rels wrote: Don't you fucking dare hammering or I'll kill you Unless you hammer a scum then you're ok OK sir. We have been in potential hammering territory for a while now with nothing tho, unless someone wants to make an argument that Rels is a hidden mafia :o | ||
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On July 27 2016 06:56 prplhz wrote: I don't even understand this. First of all: sicklucker didn't think I was blue. Second of all: Why should I think that him thinking I'm blue precludes me from being scum? He very clearly thought that you were blue. Nothing, but it just doesn't make a lick of sense to me. Like if you see that someone is reading you as cop and then you think that it will come to bite you in the ass later, why wouldn't you say something? | ||
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Currently I am highly suspicious of the fact that lunatic and prpl are barely acknowledging one another. And not previously, like now. I am also highly suspicious of prpl's hammer onto sicklucker. I am somewhat suspicious that lunatic didn't actually answer any of my questions on the previous pages, but that was probably because I was being an ass. I am suspicious because lunatic voted me day 1, then town read me, then posted that he was voting me for information. This was done sheeping the mafia godfather. I'm suspicious that lunatic thinks that I could be mafia after the cop checks. I'll post some more things when i think of them, will probably be tomorrow. | ||
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On July 27 2016 19:55 Skynx wrote: You know what, I reached a conclusion last night. Lunatic is just a 22 page Moosy, he should be having soo much fun trolling all of us for a 2500 post game. However the way he posts did not change a single bit since min 0. All he did was posts filled with nothing, lists without basis, sheeping other people then vote for those people, theorycrafting without logic, claiming town, hardpushing me if I mention his name. Once did he not push for an agenda or made sense. It this level of 22 pages of blankness enough to scumread someone? Maybe not. I don't think you can really compare Moosy to Lunatic here lol, Moosy played a great game against us | ||
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there's also this On July 24 2016 05:54 DCWasabi wrote: If Prplhz is scum, then he is secretly very good at Mafia. Have you seen the tone of his posts where he is screaming and shit with little time between posts. My meeting in 15 mins now. I still think Rels is as good as any, but he is not here to defend himself apparently... | ||
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also this On July 24 2016 05:53 Lunaticman wrote: The only good that came out of this basically Tumble should be considered town atm, since I dont think the mafia would buss their own because they had a great day 1. That is at least 4 town now. If we had another blue role claim now might actually help town immensely. On July 24 2016 05:43 Tumblewood wrote: list feels very honest. usually scum does not have an "I don't know" null category. commenting on how you got fooled last game is a typically townie thing to do (like ve in names are hard) DC's mindset is town imo. you see where I'm going with this? bad lynch today unless rels flips town On July 24 2016 05:46 Tumblewood wrote: only way dc is scum is he and rels are bussing both ways, which is unlikely but not impossible. he's not a long shot exactly but at best the fourth best lynch for today. On July 24 2016 05:50 Tumblewood wrote: hm the hammer thing is true so I am not touching DC or sl today. This is almost too much tho On July 24 2016 05:41 DCWasabi wrote: Tell me who to vote PRP!!! | ||
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On July 27 2016 23:56 Skynx wrote: Tell me emp, which one is mislead town and which one is scum? ugh, let me find a coin | ||
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DC reads fairly honest a few points, but he can be honest and mafia too I suppose. Lunatic there are like 100 posts to scum read him, then 100 posts he could be town so I have no idea. Probably DC is mafia here. | ||
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But I'm also remembering that stuff day 1 where dc was like "oh yeah it's good for town atmosphere" and such, just an easy pass for tumble. | ||
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On July 28 2016 00:04 Skynx wrote: I'm happy with this but lynching me after a green flip will lose town the game unfortunately. In that sense you think there is more of a chance me being haze's buddy compared to Luna? I dunno just makes more sense to me I think if prpl is green that you are red, but we shall see. | ||
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On July 28 2016 00:09 Grackaroni wrote: If you guys are hammering prplhz, first can you post reasoning for why you think the mafia isn't DC here? I've posted some reasons why I don't think prplhz is mafia. Why isn't DC the better lynch? You may be right, who is the second mafia though? | ||
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or luna -> prpl, or you wanna through skynx in the mix grack? | ||
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But likewise with prpl, I just don't know why he's not considering that lunatic could be mafia, doesn't make any sense for both of them. But now we're back at square one... | ||
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dc can be scum through association especially. The day 1 vote could have been to save his ass, but if the team is prpl / luna, mafia didn't give a shit at all. But think of all the bullshit that lunatic has pulled through the game, it's just crazy. Also lunatic never answered any of my questions on the previous pages, just pulled up that page about "master suppression" for the second time this game, like how in the hell is he helping town? He hasn't all game | ||
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On July 28 2016 00:20 Grackaroni wrote: Either Prplhz is town and he really believes that Luna isn't mafia. Prplhz is scum and is trying to defend Luna. Prplhz is scum and sees people believing the team is him/luna and wants to give them more reason to believe that Luna is scum with him after his flip. Actually out of these 3 I think #2 would be the least likely. I guess it's cool to be apathetic, seems to be a theme in TL mafia. How can you be town and not seriously consider that the other most scum read player is not scum. Just doesn't make sense. Same with lunatic. | ||
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On July 27 2016 06:17 emperorchampion wrote: Why can you not even consider the most scum read player in the game right now? On July 27 2016 06:19 emperorchampion wrote: Here you should ask yourself why SL so strongly thought that DCW was mafia. On July 27 2016 06:27 emperorchampion wrote: Why did you post that I was using his reads? Did you think that I was implying that I think DCW is mafia? On July 27 2016 06:30 emperorchampion wrote: So you also think that I am using SL reads now? On July 27 2016 06:33 emperorchampion wrote: I personally had pretty good reasons for lynching tumble, it did feel pretty shaky at the time. Anyhow, you don't find it at all suspicous that the guy who ended the day early was the same as the guy who was fake breadcrumbing. And also did so against a person that was currently town reading him, and actually thought he was a blue role? Why would a towny do that? You didn't answer a single question, just made it super personal and dodged all of them. Go look at your responses. | ||
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I was the very first person with the thought that there could be 2 people on the grack train, hence why I thought it would be a good idea to lynch SL previous day. Recently, you didn't care for the cop thing until it was made so painstakingly obvious. | ||
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HAHAHAHAHAHA oh my god prpl's attitude makes so much fucking sense now I'm ready for hammer I think | ||
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On July 28 2016 00:50 Lunaticman wrote: So I'm scum because I came to the same conclusion. I mean why not just answer my question then if you think there was 2 mafia on the grac train, that would actually move the game forward. So let's entertain the thought, there are only 2 people left from the grac lynch. Me and Skynx. And tell honestly now please. Look at the last 5 pages from skynx and me, compare them and tell honestly who you think is a townie between them. Skynx look about 1000x more town than you do over the past 200 pages, so I dunno dude | ||
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On July 28 2016 00:53 Lunaticman wrote: Then you know how it feels, I'm sorry. If at first you don't succeed you have to make the other person understand through other means. You are tunneling me way to hard, leave room for other players. Really no hard feelings on my part, I've seen some shit on the internet so it's whatever. You just post whatever you think will get the point across, just don't cross too many lines. | ||
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I think prpl -> luna if red / dc if green -> luna/skynx glhf in lylo | ||
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SILENCE | ||
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GG WP, glhf to all!! | ||
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Great game | ||
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but 2 in rels/tumble that was a great bus guys, can't believe town was so all over the place. | ||
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Balance was maybe maf favoured, but idk mafia just completely outplayed us (me) lol | ||
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On July 29 2016 00:16 Grackaroni wrote: Scum QT: http://www.quicktopic.com/cgi-bin/post.cgi?mode=disp_reply&forum=52&topic=PpZ2GnP8HjtZR&rand=eM8zTbwrKraM So many messages in the qt, but I can't see any past the last 5 =/ ah ok it was on reply mode | ||
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0% win rate continues | ||
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Yeah I probably should have hammered tumble earlier on, and the thing at the end was straight up stupid (although if grack got lynched that would have been lolz). | ||
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On July 29 2016 00:53 Damdred wrote: Cop checks We're Palmar n1 And he was RB n2 Hmm yeah that's what I was thinking why the cop wouldn't claim if he checked palmar n1 | ||
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On July 29 2016 01:48 Koshi wrote: I am actually pretty happy I knew DCW and EC were town. But come on... Such ez buss and town still didn't want to lynch Tumble. Insane when town is so divived on mafia/town wagons and mafia was just full on buss. Mafia team 100% outplayed town. Doesn't happen often. Yeah I think I was just worried about the hammer and looking really scummy afterwards. Like I really thought that tumble was scummy, but since he was being pretty widely town read I had a lot of doubts. I was actually pretty surprised when he flipped GF (but in retrospect he kinda claimed with that whole cop check stuff, but it didn't make sense until after). It was crazy to think that there were 0 mafia on the grack train, but I guess it should have clicked that means he is mafia as well. I was really 1 step behind mafia all game, so yeah 100% outplayed I agree. It would have been even worse if kruppe wasn't blue lol | ||
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On July 29 2016 01:49 Koshi wrote: All in all pretty epic D2 lynch. yeah that was a lot of fun, thanks to tumble for that | ||
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On July 29 2016 03:34 Skynx wrote: We all played god awful. I was just way too triggered this game because of that and i do eveything 10 times worse when triggered. Big up, you showed heart, happy there is no bad blood. Look at the last guy i tunneled he's just gone forever Maybe i should tunnel less hmmm Yeah tunnelling was an issue for me too this game haha It's no biggy, shit gets said and you have no idea how to take it since it could have a purpose or it could just be nothing, since you have no idea if they are maf or not. In any case I have a pretty thick skin these a days so it's nbd | ||
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