On June 26 2016 07:13 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Absolutely 100% confirmed town Chezinu
Town Damdred Skynx Tumblewood Quicktwist
Townish Subparbia -power gap- Emperorarechampion
Null GlowingBear Jealous MoosyDoosy
Mildly leaning mafia Jean Valjean
Lean mafia Ticktock
Lol, total 180 on QT. Now I'm your main scumread kus I called you and Damdred boring.
Good shit.
TT. srsly. Did you not read the thread at all? x: I barely skimmed before and I knew art 180d on QT like 20hrs before he made that list. Are you not paying any attention to your scumreads?
Yea I saw him drop his scumread, but putting QT in his top 4 town now? That's a pretty big swing in thinking.
Also think his read on me is mostly OMGUS and he's throwing out weak meta to try and cover it.
Yeah no. If anything, I tend to reverse OMGUS more than anything since I figure mafia is unlikely to go after me as I'm difficult to lynch. This game however, too many people have so I've softened that up a little.
I think there's a good chance you're mafia and waivering it away as an OMGUS read doesn't really negate that in the slightest.
Well I'm gunna take your word about your mafia play with a grain of salt, I think I've only played a game or two with you as town.
Eh I call it as I see it, you dropped your read on QT then quoted a post of mine saying you didn't like it. Then you brought up some weak meta about my town game being "interesting" and bam I'm your top scum read (though you seemed more interested questioning Jean).
Looks like you're early read got squashed by thread sentiment so you went looking for new people to push.
On June 26 2016 18:44 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I also have a natural bias against OMGUSing because I know people tend to view scumreading someone that suspects you as such so I tend to focus on other people. It's kinda funny/stupid but it's true.
So then maybe you should explain your read on me a little better.
On June 26 2016 18:24 Jean Valjean wrote: I want to chat Superbia.
I strongly disagree with you on Artanis. Why do you think he's town?
You're slam?
Artanis has displayed multiple times throughout this game that he is actively looking at filters from other games to figure out alignments. Showcasing that he wants to, and is, putting actual time into evaluating people's alignments. Also he (probably correctly) re-evaluated on QT, which seemed genuine.
Yea I kinda disagree with both these reasons to TR art.
Looking into meta is something scum can do to create a read, and I felt like his flip on QT was more so giving up than a re-evaluation. Though I suppose he gave decent reasoning after his flip as to why QT is probably town.
You're either really tunneled or really mafia. You ask Super for why he townreads me, then your rebuttal when he brings up points is "well, but people can do this as mafia." No shit, anyone can do anything as mafia.
If you're town and actually want to figure out my alignment or reconsider your read, put in some effort.
I didn't ask him, just responded to his reasons kus I didn't think they are great reasons to TR you.
You are right that this interaction is kinda pointless atm though kus we are just beating each other in the head.
On June 26 2016 18:44 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I also have a natural bias against OMGUSing because I know people tend to view scumreading someone that suspects you as such so I tend to focus on other people. It's kinda funny/stupid but it's true.
So then maybe you should explain your read on me a little better.
You've been a complete non-factor throughout the game, mostly just echoing sentiments of others. Your focus point has been on things other than reads in the early game when you did have time, such as plans on mayor/pardoner. You also seem very stuck in your reads, no fluidity at all and call me out for changing my reads as if it were a scum factor, and don't really seem to be attempting to unearth people's alignments.
Do you think this is a scum trait in general or specific to me?
On June 26 2016 18:44 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I also have a natural bias against OMGUSing because I know people tend to view scumreading someone that suspects you as such so I tend to focus on other people. It's kinda funny/stupid but it's true.
So then maybe you should explain your read on me a little better.
You've been a complete non-factor throughout the game, mostly just echoing sentiments of others. Your focus point has been on things other than reads in the early game when you did have time, such as plans on mayor/pardoner. You also seem very stuck in your reads, no fluidity at all and call me out for changing my reads as if it were a scum factor, and don't really seem to be attempting to unearth people's alignments.
Do you think this is a scum trait in general or specific to me?
I am kinda holding back on my reads some, I can agree that can be kinda scummy. Prob just gunna have to deal with it though.
I think it is true in general. I also think it's true for you in the sense that you're a lot more interesting when you're town than what's currently going on.
Yea see this just shows you have no real understanding of my meta...
On June 26 2016 18:44 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I also have a natural bias against OMGUSing because I know people tend to view scumreading someone that suspects you as such so I tend to focus on other people. It's kinda funny/stupid but it's true.
So then maybe you should explain your read on me a little better.
You've been a complete non-factor throughout the game, mostly just echoing sentiments of others. Your focus point has been on things other than reads in the early game when you did have time, such as plans on mayor/pardoner. You also seem very stuck in your reads, no fluidity at all and call me out for changing my reads as if it were a scum factor, and don't really seem to be attempting to unearth people's alignments.
Do you think this is a scum trait in general or specific to me?
I am kinda holding back on my reads some, I can agree that can be kinda scummy. Prob just gunna have to deal with it though.
I think it is true in general. I also think it's true for you in the sense that you're a lot more interesting when you're town than what's currently going on.
Yea see this just shows you have no real understanding of my meta...
And you're wrong, I'm pretty darned interesting.
I know... my mom told me.
I remember that in Outlaw you were pretty interesting. In PYP, you were also interesting. I don't think you've rolled scum recently (database is outdated and your last game there is nutcracker) so I don't really have much to compare with on the other side, but this doesn't look like your town game to me.
I agree, you're usually interesting. Therefore it is very disappointing that this game you're not
Lol I think those my worst and best town games you just referenced. Was my D1 play in those so different from this game?
We should start figuring out our votes for President (Mayor) and Pardoner. Kus right now the votes look like shit.
Potential mayor candidates should both explain who they want to lynch and why, but maybe we should do an unofficial lynch vote and agree that the mayor should lynch that person?
On June 26 2016 19:42 Superbia wrote: TT/Jean/Art, do any of you feel different about each other?
TT/Jean, how do you feel about the other?
Should prob wait till I get caught up kus this might change, but was getting townfeels from Jean.
Eh Art is feeling sorta involved from the discussion, but I don't like that he just brushed off me asking him who should be mayor with just "Me" , just kinda seemed like he wasn't really thinking about it. We'll see if anything interesting developed.
On June 26 2016 19:55 Superbia wrote: What about TT art?
Still my strongest scumread. Nothing in our exchange made me really reconsider. Asking about who I'd vote for mayor feels like a useless question too, not sure what he was planning on getting out of that when I had already posted my reads.
On June 27 2016 00:04 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I'm very tired of everyone tunneling onto me for poor reasoning and twisting everything I say to fit the view that they've already created on me and never reconsider. Just lynch me D1 so that you can get to actually finding mafia. I'd advise looking into TT and the people who have been fairly absent. Maaybe Superbia. As for Jean, I've already told you exactly why I think TT is mafia. ##Vote Jean Valjean
Why are you suddenly suspecting Super here?
And I can't tell if you are trying to lynch Jean here or gave up and are supporting him as mayor.
I'm not a fan of these "Boo-hoo I'm being scumread posts" (it's not the first one)
On June 27 2016 00:10 Superbia wrote: Damdred why are you not reading scum into the Artanis wagon?
Because there is really no reason at present to scum read Jean. He's well thought out and logical. Coups he be scum? It's possible he is and is just playing a rather good d1. More than likely he is town.
And yeah currently a jealous, Tt team really appeals to me. The third I'm not totally sure of one could of slipped into,my tr. I wouldn't lynch emperor or moose today.
I would lynch between jealous and Tt, with a fondness for jealous.
And yes the game can just be that simple meh.
Why does (or did) a team of Jealous and me start making sense to you? Why Jealous over me?
I also thought you had reconsidered your read on me, but now I'm scum again.
On June 26 2016 01:09 Damdred wrote: But on the other hand kind of want to townreads tt....hrmmm decisions come after food
I'm interested what happened to your read on me here.
On June 27 2016 00:57 Damdred wrote: I won't vote gb or super and neither should have the pardoned position.
And gb it's because you don't do well with these sorts of decisions tbh.
While I tr both all a sudden the last few pages have made me kind of suspicious on super just seems off now.
I would like to be pardoner or mayor. There will always be debate but I am one of the best players in this game. And idk why art isn't voting for me rip.
Wait... I thought you had a pretty strong TR on GB. Why wouldn't you vote him?
I'm also not sure why you wouldn't vote Super since he is obv town.
At this rate I'm gunna be tunneled on Damdred and Art all game kus they are clearly reading a different game than me.
On June 26 2016 07:13 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Absolutely 100% confirmed town Chezinu
Town Damdred Skynx Tumblewood Quicktwist
Townish Subparbia -power gap- Emperorarechampion
Null GlowingBear Jealous MoosyDoosy
Mildly leaning mafia Jean Valjean
Lean mafia Ticktock
Lol, total 180 on QT. Now I'm your main scumread kus I called you and Damdred boring.
Good shit.
TT. srsly. Did you not read the thread at all? x: I barely skimmed before and I knew art 180d on QT like 20hrs before he made that list. Are you not paying any attention to your scumreads?
Yea I saw him drop his scumread, but putting QT in his top 4 town now? That's a pretty big swing in thinking.
Also think his read on me is mostly OMGUS and he's throwing out weak meta to try and cover it.
- scumreading art for changing his read too fast. pls that's town if anything. - stupid misattribution of art's push
On June 26 2016 07:13 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Absolutely 100% confirmed town Chezinu
Town Damdred Skynx Tumblewood Quicktwist
Townish Subparbia -power gap- Emperorarechampion
Null GlowingBear Jealous MoosyDoosy
Mildly leaning mafia Jean Valjean
Lean mafia Ticktock
Lol, total 180 on QT. Now I'm your main scumread kus I called you and Damdred boring.
Good shit.
TT. srsly. Did you not read the thread at all? x: I barely skimmed before and I knew art 180d on QT like 20hrs before he made that list. Are you not paying any attention to your scumreads?
Yea I saw him drop his scumread, but putting QT in his top 4 town now? That's a pretty big swing in thinking.
Also think his read on me is mostly OMGUS and he's throwing out weak meta to try and cover it.
Yeah no. If anything, I tend to reverse OMGUS more than anything since I figure mafia is unlikely to go after me as I'm difficult to lynch. This game however, too many people have so I've softened that up a little.
I think there's a good chance you're mafia and waivering it away as an OMGUS read doesn't really negate that in the slightest.
Well I'm gunna take your word about your mafia play with a grain of salt, I think I've only played a game or two with you as town.
Eh I call it as I see it, you dropped your read on QT then quoted a post of mine saying you didn't like it. Then you brought up some weak meta about my town game being "interesting" and bam I'm your top scum read (though you seemed more interested questioning Jean).
Looks like you're early read got squashed by thread sentiment so you went looking for new people to push.
On June 26 2016 18:44 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I also have a natural bias against OMGUSing because I know people tend to view scumreading someone that suspects you as such so I tend to focus on other people. It's kinda funny/stupid but it's true.
So then maybe you should explain your read on me a little better.
You've been a complete non-factor throughout the game, mostly just echoing sentiments of others. Your focus point has been on things other than reads in the early game when you did have time, such as plans on mayor/pardoner. You also seem very stuck in your reads, no fluidity at all and call me out for changing my reads as if it were a scum factor, and don't really seem to be attempting to unearth people's alignments.
Do you think this is a scum trait in general or specific to me?
I am kinda holding back on my reads some, I can agree that can be kinda scummy. Prob just gunna have to deal with it though.
I think it is true in general. I also think it's true for you in the sense that you're a lot more interesting when you're town than what's currently going on.
Yea see this just shows you have no real understanding of my meta...
And you're wrong, I'm pretty darned interesting.
I know... my mom told me.
impressively manages to dismiss art's read entirely without a real counter, just "you don't know me."
basically I don't see why tt would make these cases as town... they're so far-fetched and only really make sense as a justification rather than a reason.
Oh Tumble...
My point regarding Art's meta on me is that he's doing it so shallowly. I'm much more stagnant in my reads as town than as mafia and am decently well know to tunnel people for days. Hell even just look at last game where I was tunneled on Super going into the last day before rereading stuff and being convinced by Jealous my thinking was probably not on point.
"You don't know me" is about as valid of an argument I can think of when someone is pushing a shitty meta argument on me.
On June 26 2016 00:33 Damdred wrote: And who exactly is scum TT? Even outside me?
I could go with a yolo team of Art/Damdred/Moosy
Though my gut feeling isn't so strong on Moosy atm ... (wasn't digging his opening though).
Team still fits for me kus it kinda explains why Art and Damdred have been pushing me or trying to discredit me so hard without doing much to try and interact with me or further a read on me. Or maybe I'm hella tunneled... in which case...
On June 27 2016 05:09 Damdred wrote: Like jealous isn't even reading the game it seems as its clear why gb is getting mayor because he's claimed blue lol?
And weren't you the one to immediately respond to his claim with "It doesn't matter"?
I'm actually not sure why you dislike his(Jealous') GB read given your own read on GB is actually kinda similar.
EPT
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