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CopCake
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CopCake
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rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
On June 22 2016 07:01 Shapelog wrote: GG, I blame myself. aw psht i was eating out of rayn's hand all game don't worry about it leaving it this late didn't help you but i knew you were in a tough spot if you were town | ||
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CopCake
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12968 Posts
Town also played quite well for the most part I feel. Fun game  and I feel a successful experiment, though I'm happy to hear thoughts and suggestions on balance. | ||
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Shapelog
United States5185 Posts
On June 22 2016 07:02 raynpelikoneet wrote: yeah, i basically yolo'd it. read the scum QT. But honestly, none of what you said in your post makes me mafia, i had a really easy game here. If you think that makes me scum you are gonna scumread me in every single game ever. ^^ Well maybe next game I won't fucking trap myself. Like comparing my play this game to this one: http://intpforum.com/showpost.php?p=534647&postcount=1474 http://intpforum.com/showthread.php?t=24467&page=30 Is just so bad. And Ironically, I was wrong for the right reasons that game, and this game, I was right for the wrong reasoning, | ||
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CopCake
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CopCake
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CopCake
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12968 Posts
Hope you'll play with us more frequently! | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
It was gonna be super hard to argue "why shoot Superbia the obvious goon" and as i was already scumreading him i would look terrible if i then didn't scumread him on D1 in case he doesn't get shot, but yamato kinda gave me a logical reason to assume "Superbia is the GF". Funnily enough town managed to have kinda the right idea of how to do this, but i don't even know how i was able to turn it around on D1, i mean this: [14:22:47] Joni Toiviainen: if the town is going to shoot town we are definitely shooting the same person the town shoots whoever that is. technically the besty play would be if the town shoots you but we can't push it, because the person who pushes goon to be shot looks terrible on D1 (while they should), but i would assume that's gonna happen anyways [14:23:24] Joni Toiviainen: i don't really think you should play "intentionally scummy", because someone smart can figure out you should not actually shoot the scummiest person in the game because they are likely to be goon. I was like "fuuuuuck" when Shapelog made the post about the "best play" on N0 but somehow i managed to turn that around. Skynx got it too late (started arguing about it only on D1 when it doesn't matter anymore). | ||
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CopCake
4378 Posts
Is hard to play with no faces. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
Your posts are really hard to follow at times and they seem to be losing the main point and get sidetracked. The problem with this is making a convincing case like that is super hard. | ||
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Shapelog
United States5185 Posts
On June 22 2016 07:16 raynpelikoneet wrote: Shapelog, you should try to use less words in your posts and cut off everything irrelevant. Your posts are really hard to follow at times and they seem to be losing the main point and get sidetracked. The problem with this is making a convincing case like that is super hard. Yeah I noticing that. It just, the way I think, I go from thinking from it from that angle, to that angle, to this angle, etc. and I try to look at everything from too many angles ultimately. It gets me sidetracked a lot. I've noticed, more if I write what happens down more, I do better. For example, I wouldn't have thought you were scum until, believe it or not, done the page by page thing. I saw the not questioning Rsoul thing, and that made me think. I also forgot about Super interaction with you hard. Should of been more of a point. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
On June 22 2016 07:26 Shapelog wrote: I've noticed, more if I write what happens down more, I do better. For example, I wouldn't have thought you were scum until, believe it or not, done the page by page thing. (1)I saw the not questioning Rsoul thing, and that made me think. (2)I also forgot about Super interaction with you hard. Should of been more of a point. (1) I would have never questioned rsoultin as town either, because all game we were on the same page, and honestly if i was town, i would have probably ended up doing exactly what i did here. idk why would you question someone who already agrees with you? (2) Where does the "the player who interacted the most with flipped mafia is mafia" come from? I mean, i question people i think are scummy, or irrational. That is only natural. That always leads to interactions, and especially with me because i am suuuuuper nitpicky and want to get bottom of everything. I always end up arguing A LOT with people i think are mafia when they are in thread. | ||
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Shapelog
United States5185 Posts
I guess the mailman was just so sus. and then the bussing comment  + Show Spoiler + Ohhhhhhhh Lex....... ![[image loading]](http://fscomps.fotosearch.com/compc/CLT/CLT006/kp917.jpg) | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
would give the movie a perfect 5/7. | ||
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Shapelog
United States5185 Posts
On June 22 2016 07:36 raynpelikoneet wrote: (1) I would have never questioned rsoultin as town either, because all game we were on the same page, and honestly if i was town, i would have probably ended up doing exactly what i did here. idk why would you question someone who already agrees with you? (2) Where does the "the player who interacted the most with flipped mafia is mafia" come from? I mean, i question people i think are scummy, or irrational. That is only natural. That always leads to interactions, and especially with me because i am suuuuuper nitpicky and want to get bottom of everything. I always end up arguing A LOT with people i think are mafia when they are in thread. 1, Well i didn't know that. But what I was getting at was that I saw that and just went "hmmm. This could mean something." I would personally question person who agrees with me, to see if they had the same idea behind it. 2,Not so much on your side, but on's Super. Super was really focused on you compared to other people. Especially the end part of it. Oh well bon joni (your new name btw) | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
Like if i am actually town, how am i going to counter that argument since it has nothing to do with MY actions? Smart mafia is gonna use that kind of logic against you -- i.e. do things that make someone else look scummy by not the person's OWN actions. I believe all cases should be based on what the person themselves did, not by what someone else did. Because all it does is it leads to is confirmation bias because there is no reliable defense. Like even i, in this game, did not accuse you of being mafia solely for the fact that yamato got shot. Because it is a dumb argument in itself. It's a point to look into some direction, but it doesn't make anyone mafia. I outlined the reasons why i find it most likely that my starting point for the argument is sound, and then wrote why i think you are mafia because of YOUR actions in this game. Also i don't usually write a lot about why someone is town, unless they are likely to get lynched. Like i could have said "rsoultin is town because she is on the same page with me all the time -- look, it's not once when we make basically a same post at the same time" but what's the point if they are not lynched anyways? And i figured people would actually see that and make the conclusion without me throwing it on their face. I'd rather focus on stuff that explains why someone is mafia, or questioning people for possible mafia actions, because ultimately that's the point, to find and lynch mafia and convince the town to do so. That's form the town point of view, this game was honestly really close to my town play because i found many things that usually come from scum, and it was easy to argue for them. I am not sure... i mean, i believe if i was rsoultin in this game i would have probably made the exact same choices i did here. It was somehow easy to play scum in this game, not because town played bad but because everything just fell in place. | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
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