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On June 10 2016 04:01 emperorchampion wrote:
Also using shenanigans for reads in these scenarios is completely bonkers
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There was something else that stuck out a lot on EC's filter but I'll wait on that for the time being, but I like my team I posted.
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Skynx/EC/Tictock all voted for the same person each day, except when TT did shennanies onto BTDT. Skynx always votes before EC. EC waited for another person to vote in between them in 2/3 days, except when he was last vote. Ticktock voted between the two of them on both of those instances, and shennanied later. They never voted first for the person who ended up lynched. The only person to note vote for the same person on those days is BTDT. So, unless scott is scum, then two of Skynx/EC/Tictock were working as a 2 man voting/bandwagoning cell. It's worth it to examine their interactions with each other.
Looking back at Day 1 data, we have:
+ Show Spoiler [beentheredonethat] +BTDT reads Superbia, QuickTwist, Tumblewood town
BTDT reads MoosyDoosy scum
BTDT votes MoosyDoosy
BTDT reads Jealous scum based off Tumblewood
+ Show Spoiler [emperorchampion] +Emperorchampion reads QuickTwist town
Emperorchampion defends QT, points at Moosy
EC softreads Tumble, QT scum
EC reads Skynx, Tumble, QT, Jealous as scum
EC reads Superbia, TT town
EC votes QT
EC says if QT town, Tumble town, Jealous scum
+ Show Spoiler [Skynx] +Skynx reads Jealous town, Superbia scum
Skynx votes QuickTwist
Skynx defends sqrtneg1, points at FecalFeast
Skynx reads Tumble, EC town
Skynx reads QT, Superbia scum
Skynx defends Jealous @QT
Skynx points BC
+ Show Spoiler [Tictock] +Tictock casts a fake vote for kushmountain
Tictock reads Moosy scum
Tictock reads Tumblewood town
Tictock says to ignore his previous scum reads lol
Tictock reads Jealous town
Tictock reads Superbia, Tumblewood, Moosy, blkcoffee town
Tictock reads QuickTwist, emperorchampion scum
Tictock votes QuickTwist
Tictock reads Jealous scum
TT points at FF for plynch
TT reads QT, Skynx scum
TT wants to lynch Skynx
TT reads QT scum
TT reads QT scum
TT reads QT, kush, Skynx, EC scum
TT corrects EC for BTDT
TT votes BTDT
TT defends BC
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It's worth noting that at least on Day 1 both TT and EC read Skynx as scum, and TT reads EC as scum, although that could be a soft cover for the future...
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Let's briefly assume that both remaining scum are within Skynx/EC/TT. I would like to hear some convincing arguments from each one of them about why they are not scum and why the other two are. That should give us more to work with. Anyone who isn't compliant will immediately be suspect.
In the meantime, I will point out that for a scummy Superbia to have thrown BTDT under the bus would not make any sense because 1. he did it before there was any apparent threat to scum, 2. scum had a guaranteed win with a mislynch so why lynch a scum that day. I don't think it makes sense for him to scrap all chances for an immediate victory in hopes of a more assured ultra-lategame victory.
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Meh. Today should be between two people to start with. x:
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Idk. It's early and I'm at work. My parents will be coming home from vacation this evening so I'll be busy then as well. Will see if I can sneak some time in between for game.
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Scott / skynx / TT should fight today.
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Why is EC absent from that list? I know you touched upon it before but it'd be nice to get a summary of some sort.
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Idk I'm okay with leaving EC alone today and see what he does. I know there's for sure a mafia in that list even if EC is mafia.
We could also have EC in there but 3 FFA lends to final 3 mindsets, which I am fond of reading.
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ACtually I have a feeling people will wagon on skynx. Maybe we should have EC/scott/TT fight for now bc there's at least 1 mafia in there.
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I'm going b2work for a bit.
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On June 13 2016 12:46 Jealous wrote:Skynx/EC/Tictock all voted for the same person each day, except when TT did shennanies onto BTDT. Skynx always votes before EC. EC waited for another person to vote in between them in 2/3 days, except when he was last vote. Ticktock voted between the two of them on both of those instances, and shennanied later. They never voted first for the person who ended up lynched. The only person to note vote for the same person on those days is BTDT. So, unless scott is scum, then two of Skynx/EC/Tictock were working as a 2 man voting/bandwagoning cell. It's worth it to examine their interactions with each other. Looking back at Day 1 data, we have: + Show Spoiler [beentheredonethat] +BTDT reads Superbia, QuickTwist, Tumblewood town
BTDT reads MoosyDoosy scum
BTDT votes MoosyDoosy
BTDT reads Jealous scum based off Tumblewood Emperorchampion reads QuickTwist town
Emperorchampion defends QT, points at Moosy
EC softreads Tumble, QT scum
EC reads Skynx, Tumble, QT, Jealous as scum
EC reads Superbia, TT town
EC votes QT
EC says if QT town, Tumble town, Jealous scum Skynx reads Jealous town, Superbia scum
Skynx votes QuickTwist
Skynx defends sqrtneg1, points at FecalFeast
Skynx reads Tumble, EC town
Skynx reads QT, Superbia scum
Skynx defends Jealous @QT
Skynx points BC Tictock casts a fake vote for kushmountain
Tictock reads Moosy scum
Tictock reads Tumblewood town
Tictock says to ignore his previous scum reads lol
Tictock reads Jealous town
Tictock reads Superbia, Tumblewood, Moosy, blkcoffee town
Tictock reads QuickTwist, emperorchampion scum
Tictock votes QuickTwist
Tictock reads Jealous scum
TT points at FF for plynch
TT reads QT, Skynx scum
TT wants to lynch Skynx
TT reads QT scum
TT reads QT scum
TT reads QT, kush, Skynx, EC scum
TT corrects EC for BTDT
TT votes BTDT
TT defends BC
That's better analysis than I did - I have been fooled by Tictock before to an extent - this was the game I played with him, he was mafia, I was town - we went to LYLO.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/486008-holy-guardians-chapter-1
I do not know how much time you have, but I wanted to point out this game we played together.
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On June 13 2016 15:45 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2016 12:46 Jealous wrote:Skynx/EC/Tictock all voted for the same person each day, except when TT did shennanies onto BTDT. Skynx always votes before EC. EC waited for another person to vote in between them in 2/3 days, except when he was last vote. Ticktock voted between the two of them on both of those instances, and shennanied later. They never voted first for the person who ended up lynched. The only person to note vote for the same person on those days is BTDT. So, unless scott is scum, then two of Skynx/EC/Tictock were working as a 2 man voting/bandwagoning cell. It's worth it to examine their interactions with each other. Looking back at Day 1 data, we have: + Show Spoiler [beentheredonethat] +BTDT reads Superbia, QuickTwist, Tumblewood town
BTDT reads MoosyDoosy scum
BTDT votes MoosyDoosy
BTDT reads Jealous scum based off Tumblewood Emperorchampion reads QuickTwist town
Emperorchampion defends QT, points at Moosy
EC softreads Tumble, QT scum
EC reads Skynx, Tumble, QT, Jealous as scum
EC reads Superbia, TT town
EC votes QT
EC says if QT town, Tumble town, Jealous scum Skynx reads Jealous town, Superbia scum
Skynx votes QuickTwist
Skynx defends sqrtneg1, points at FecalFeast
Skynx reads Tumble, EC town
Skynx reads QT, Superbia scum
Skynx defends Jealous @QT
Skynx points BC Tictock casts a fake vote for kushmountain
Tictock reads Moosy scum
Tictock reads Tumblewood town
Tictock says to ignore his previous scum reads lol
Tictock reads Jealous town
Tictock reads Superbia, Tumblewood, Moosy, blkcoffee town
Tictock reads QuickTwist, emperorchampion scum
Tictock votes QuickTwist
Tictock reads Jealous scum
TT points at FF for plynch
TT reads QT, Skynx scum
TT wants to lynch Skynx
TT reads QT scum
TT reads QT scum
TT reads QT, kush, Skynx, EC scum
TT corrects EC for BTDT
TT votes BTDT
TT defends BC That's better analysis than I did - I have been fooled by Tictock before to an extent - this was the game I played with him, he was mafia, I was town - we went to LYLO. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/486008-holy-guardians-chapter-1I do not know how much time you have, but I wanted to point out this game we played together.
I actually wrote all of that based on your data, not mine haha. Thanks for the color coding.
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On June 13 2016 16:00 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2016 15:45 scott31337 wrote:On June 13 2016 12:46 Jealous wrote:Skynx/EC/Tictock all voted for the same person each day, except when TT did shennanies onto BTDT. Skynx always votes before EC. EC waited for another person to vote in between them in 2/3 days, except when he was last vote. Ticktock voted between the two of them on both of those instances, and shennanied later. They never voted first for the person who ended up lynched. The only person to note vote for the same person on those days is BTDT. So, unless scott is scum, then two of Skynx/EC/Tictock were working as a 2 man voting/bandwagoning cell. It's worth it to examine their interactions with each other. Looking back at Day 1 data, we have: + Show Spoiler [beentheredonethat] +BTDT reads Superbia, QuickTwist, Tumblewood town
BTDT reads MoosyDoosy scum
BTDT votes MoosyDoosy
BTDT reads Jealous scum based off Tumblewood Emperorchampion reads QuickTwist town
Emperorchampion defends QT, points at Moosy
EC softreads Tumble, QT scum
EC reads Skynx, Tumble, QT, Jealous as scum
EC reads Superbia, TT town
EC votes QT
EC says if QT town, Tumble town, Jealous scum Skynx reads Jealous town, Superbia scum
Skynx votes QuickTwist
Skynx defends sqrtneg1, points at FecalFeast
Skynx reads Tumble, EC town
Skynx reads QT, Superbia scum
Skynx defends Jealous @QT
Skynx points BC Tictock casts a fake vote for kushmountain
Tictock reads Moosy scum
Tictock reads Tumblewood town
Tictock says to ignore his previous scum reads lol
Tictock reads Jealous town
Tictock reads Superbia, Tumblewood, Moosy, blkcoffee town
Tictock reads QuickTwist, emperorchampion scum
Tictock votes QuickTwist
Tictock reads Jealous scum
TT points at FF for plynch
TT reads QT, Skynx scum
TT wants to lynch Skynx
TT reads QT scum
TT reads QT scum
TT reads QT, kush, Skynx, EC scum
TT corrects EC for BTDT
TT votes BTDT
TT defends BC That's better analysis than I did - I have been fooled by Tictock before to an extent - this was the game I played with him, he was mafia, I was town - we went to LYLO. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/486008-holy-guardians-chapter-1I do not know how much time you have, but I wanted to point out this game we played together. I actually wrote all of that based on your data, not mine haha. Thanks for the color coding.
Do you think TT's the other mafia and not EC?
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Apology sent for edit - complete message below
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I know nk's are wifom, but from so many game I have obs'ed as well - dead mafia are usually on the right track as well and speak no cases.
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On June 09 2016 05:00 Fecalfeast wrote:yup I'm going through emperor's filter. He flips on QT as it gets closer to him being killed, he says he's not sdure about me then calls me half life 3 confirmed town. also: Show nested quote +On June 08 2016 00:26 emperorchampion wrote:
Also I don't think I ever hard read QT as maf, just hypothosised that it was odd QT and Tumble were defending each other. This was the information I was interested in. I dunno you are trying to twist my words I feel This made me check and it seems he was really hedging his bets and skirting around making any hard calls at all about QT. Show nested quote +On June 05 2016 01:41 emperorchampion wrote:I took a look through Tumblewood's filter, since he seems like the only one posting anything of note aside from QT-pie and Jealsus (which is a cesspool I don't want to wade through). + Show Spoiler +On June 04 2016 09:39 Tumblewood wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2016 09:33 Jealous wrote:On June 04 2016 09:31 QuickTwist wrote:On June 04 2016 09:29 Jealous wrote:On June 04 2016 09:22 QuickTwist wrote:On June 04 2016 09:14 blkcoffee wrote:On June 04 2016 08:59 Jealous wrote:On June 04 2016 08:53 blkcoffee wrote:If it's alright with you I'm not going to read any of those games. I'm curious what you think of quick town reading you so early and his subsequent town reads. For quicktwist. Can you explain how you came to a serious vote on super. What changed? That's fine, they are there for anyone who is curious, and were presented solely as some substantive evidence against Tumblewood's flimsy read. What I think of Quick town-reading me so early is that he is that he is potentially trying to make allies among people he would know are confirmed townie, because he is mafia. Or, in retrospect, as my first post in response to him and Superbia was more or less stating that I found their behavior suspicious, he aims to pass that suspicion onto me by making it seem like I am in cohorts with them, or something. The fact that he is a newcomer to TL Mafia may have something to do with the fact that he is playing, in my opinion, fast and dangerous. This seems rather too in-depth this early on. I think if quicktwist gave an explanation For the town read we could analyse it and see how it holds up. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/8R2mw6O.jpg) Another dodgy response here. Leaning scum intensifies. you're going to have to explain how that makes me scum without saying the word "vibes". Instead of substantiating your claims you post image macros that effectively close the topic for further analysis and discussion, something that would be key for scum to do in order to protect themselves from further inspection. the folly in this is that no one "protects themselves from further inspection" by posting images instead of responses, nor is that "key for scum to do". qt should not be afraid of the pressure you are putting on him because it is weak pressure (in the sense that it is convincing no one else) and it does not help him avoid inspection. Here it looks like tumble is putting pressure on Jealous. This is based off of defense for QT, since he gave strong townread to QT earlier here: On June 04 2016 09:20 Tumblewood wrote:
shitty early d1 reads that I shouldn't be making
town: superbia, qt
town lean: emperor
null: moosy
scum lean: jealous
scum: [pending further posts] To which is commented: On June 04 2016 09:21 Tumblewood wrote:
if asked to defend any of my reads right now I will only respond by saying "feels" So now that we've framed the context of the first post, I think that there are two ways of interpreting it: 1) He is protecting QT-pie 2) He's calling a bad play a bad play From the previous context, I would think former, but reading the following posts I think the ladder: On June 04 2016 10:47 Tumblewood wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2016 10:29 QuickTwist wrote:On June 04 2016 09:02 blkcoffee wrote:On June 04 2016 08:59 QuickTwist wrote:On June 04 2016 08:53 blkcoffee wrote:If it's alright with you I'm not going to read any of those games. I'm curious what you think of quick town reading you so early and his subsequent town reads. For quicktwist. Can you explain how you came to a serious vote on super. What changed? I explained this partially but I will explain to those who may not understand the intricacies of this. Sup is trying to look like he is town. So either he is playing some really fantastic head games with people and he wants people to vote him to see who picks up on his scummy behavior and votes Obvscum OR he is just really bad Scum who is trying to look like they are scum hunting in the most obvious straightforward way possible. I don't think he is so dumb that he could legit be Town trying to scum hunt, but at this point I can't rule that out I guess. Do you think that town should try to look townie and eliminate themselves from the lynch pool. No. what but why it's in town's best interest to look townie (except to dodge nightkills) so town doesn't waste a lynch on them On June 04 2016 11:31 Tumblewood wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2016 11:24 QuickTwist wrote:
OK, so here's why I think Jealous is Town.
He's smart. He knows being overly confident in his reads helps town. He has been pushing scummy behavior namely, me. He is paying really close attention to the game and what people say and jumping on anything the looks like it could get traction. He's pushing his agenda and trying to be very correct.
For that reason I think he would make a really bad lynch today. his scumreads are founded in a mountain of evidence, but that evidence does not make anyone scum. I don't see how you can refute his reads as misled but then call them good and townie all of a sudden. townread suspended On June 04 2016 16:18 Tumblewood wrote:
ok yeah as I see it one of QT and Jealous has to be scum. they're both acting independently scummy (eager to read anything as scummy, tryhard tone, making mountains of molehills). I don't believe that they could both be town, although if they were I will mock D1 relentlessly in postgame. I also believe that they could not keep up this stupid bickering for so long as partners. I'm leaning toward QT at this point for refuting everything Jealous says and then townreading him for it (pretty shallow townread IMO, there's more to the game than just how much you write that's semi-productive). Jealous maybe, but I think my dislike of his tone biases my judgment. 6/10 would lynch QT D1 and if he flips town lynch Jealous D2
or we could plynch sqrt and let their alignments become more apparent over time. In my mind, it seems that there is some sort of triangle between QT-pie, tumble and Jealsus. At first I was thinking that QT/tumble could be a pair, but "6/10" lynch is pretty strong against that, although maybe tumble doesn't think the QT vote will go through so he doesn't have to push it? Jealsus/QT-pie: there are 3 options: 1) both town, 2) town and maf 3) both maf. I think that 3) is pretty unlikely, seems like such a ballsy play to carry out those shenanigans. I think that 2) is more likely than 1). Jealsus/tumble: I think it's fairly well summarized from the post above: "ok yeah as I see it one of QT and Jealous has to be scum. they're both acting independently scummy (eager to read anything as scummy, tryhard tone, making mountains of molehills". Also: "Jealous maybe, but I think my dislike of his tone biases my judgment" So from this, I find that Jealous is a common thread in all of this, so I would be interested in hearing why he isn't maf, or what he is trying to accomplish aside from generating pages of noise against QT-pie. My towny read on QT still stands, and I think that tumble has shown some decent thought, so I think that I'm leaning town on him as well. Therefore, my maf read sits with Jealous since I want to see how these 3 players unravel. has QT in a possible scum pair Show nested quote +On June 05 2016 00:37 emperorchampion wrote:On June 04 2016 23:38 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 04 2016 12:01 Tumblewood wrote:
going to take a break until I inevitably get bored and come back
playing this game is just not fun for me right now because the only two active players are on (what I see as) the wrong track and set in it. feels like I'm talking to a brick wall. Talk to me buddy. Does Quicktwist and Jealous feel like two townies caught in an argument against each other and refusing to back down due to pride or is one of them Mafia? For some reason I keep getting hints of the second even though it really looks like the first. QT v Jealous has obviously dominated the first few pages so far. I've been thinking similarly, but that there is a third option as well --- I'm not sure how likely that is though. Show nested quote +On June 06 2016 03:03 emperorchampion wrote:
I think that Skynx could be scum, not really sure on the rest since I haven't looked too much into it due to not having too much time atm. Superbia / Tictock seem town.
Fecalfeast / scott not really sure. Seems like a mafia move to push an afk tho, so I don't know what it accomplishes. I think my vote has to go into tumble / QT / Jealous to figure this out. keeps QT in his lynch circle even though he was leaning more toward jealous as scum out of QT/jealous Show nested quote +On June 06 2016 02:53 emperorchampion wrote:
OK so I think I'm caught up.
Am I crazy for thinking that Tumble / QT are a mafia pair given the last two pages? QT/tumble mafia pair mentioned Show nested quote +On June 06 2016 05:34 emperorchampion wrote:
I don't think too much has been said in the last few pages to sway my opinion on voting QT. What I'm thinking is that if QT is town, tumble is probably town and jealous is maf. And if QT if maf, tumble is probably maf, jealous is town.
kush is a bit of a toss up, his filter is pretty empty but maybe he has an excuse? The plynch seems a little off to me.
This, among other posts also suggests that emperor should have been pushing jealous a lot more today rather than just being complacent with the thread direction. so my questions for emperor: What do you read Jealous as? Who do you want to kill and why? Why was it so hard for you to make a solid read on QT while talking about him so often?
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On June 13 2016 16:14 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2016 16:00 Jealous wrote:On June 13 2016 15:45 scott31337 wrote:On June 13 2016 12:46 Jealous wrote:Skynx/EC/Tictock all voted for the same person each day, except when TT did shennanies onto BTDT. Skynx always votes before EC. EC waited for another person to vote in between them in 2/3 days, except when he was last vote. Ticktock voted between the two of them on both of those instances, and shennanied later. They never voted first for the person who ended up lynched. The only person to note vote for the same person on those days is BTDT. So, unless scott is scum, then two of Skynx/EC/Tictock were working as a 2 man voting/bandwagoning cell. It's worth it to examine their interactions with each other. Looking back at Day 1 data, we have: + Show Spoiler [beentheredonethat] +BTDT reads Superbia, QuickTwist, Tumblewood town
BTDT reads MoosyDoosy scum
BTDT votes MoosyDoosy
BTDT reads Jealous scum based off Tumblewood Emperorchampion reads QuickTwist town
Emperorchampion defends QT, points at Moosy
EC softreads Tumble, QT scum
EC reads Skynx, Tumble, QT, Jealous as scum
EC reads Superbia, TT town
EC votes QT
EC says if QT town, Tumble town, Jealous scum Skynx reads Jealous town, Superbia scum
Skynx votes QuickTwist
Skynx defends sqrtneg1, points at FecalFeast
Skynx reads Tumble, EC town
Skynx reads QT, Superbia scum
Skynx defends Jealous @QT
Skynx points BC Tictock casts a fake vote for kushmountain
Tictock reads Moosy scum
Tictock reads Tumblewood town
Tictock says to ignore his previous scum reads lol
Tictock reads Jealous town
Tictock reads Superbia, Tumblewood, Moosy, blkcoffee town
Tictock reads QuickTwist, emperorchampion scum
Tictock votes QuickTwist
Tictock reads Jealous scum
TT points at FF for plynch
TT reads QT, Skynx scum
TT wants to lynch Skynx
TT reads QT scum
TT reads QT scum
TT reads QT, kush, Skynx, EC scum
TT corrects EC for BTDT
TT votes BTDT
TT defends BC That's better analysis than I did - I have been fooled by Tictock before to an extent - this was the game I played with him, he was mafia, I was town - we went to LYLO. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/486008-holy-guardians-chapter-1I do not know how much time you have, but I wanted to point out this game we played together. I actually wrote all of that based on your data, not mine haha. Thanks for the color coding. Do you think TT's the other mafia and not EC?
I wouldn't go as far as saying that.
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