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On June 13 2016 16:44 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2016 16:14 scott31337 wrote:On June 13 2016 16:00 Jealous wrote:On June 13 2016 15:45 scott31337 wrote:On June 13 2016 12:46 Jealous wrote:Skynx/EC/Tictock all voted for the same person each day, except when TT did shennanies onto BTDT. Skynx always votes before EC. EC waited for another person to vote in between them in 2/3 days, except when he was last vote. Ticktock voted between the two of them on both of those instances, and shennanied later. They never voted first for the person who ended up lynched. The only person to note vote for the same person on those days is BTDT. So, unless scott is scum, then two of Skynx/EC/Tictock were working as a 2 man voting/bandwagoning cell. It's worth it to examine their interactions with each other. Looking back at Day 1 data, we have: + Show Spoiler [beentheredonethat] +BTDT reads Superbia, QuickTwist, Tumblewood town
BTDT reads MoosyDoosy scum
BTDT votes MoosyDoosy
BTDT reads Jealous scum based off Tumblewood Emperorchampion reads QuickTwist town
Emperorchampion defends QT, points at Moosy
EC softreads Tumble, QT scum
EC reads Skynx, Tumble, QT, Jealous as scum
EC reads Superbia, TT town
EC votes QT
EC says if QT town, Tumble town, Jealous scum Skynx reads Jealous town, Superbia scum
Skynx votes QuickTwist
Skynx defends sqrtneg1, points at FecalFeast
Skynx reads Tumble, EC town
Skynx reads QT, Superbia scum
Skynx defends Jealous @QT
Skynx points BC Tictock casts a fake vote for kushmountain
Tictock reads Moosy scum
Tictock reads Tumblewood town
Tictock says to ignore his previous scum reads lol
Tictock reads Jealous town
Tictock reads Superbia, Tumblewood, Moosy, blkcoffee town
Tictock reads QuickTwist, emperorchampion scum
Tictock votes QuickTwist
Tictock reads Jealous scum
TT points at FF for plynch
TT reads QT, Skynx scum
TT wants to lynch Skynx
TT reads QT scum
TT reads QT scum
TT reads QT, kush, Skynx, EC scum
TT corrects EC for BTDT
TT votes BTDT
TT defends BC ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/cBR85ud.png) That's better analysis than I did - I have been fooled by Tictock before to an extent - this was the game I played with him, he was mafia, I was town - we went to LYLO. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/486008-holy-guardians-chapter-1I do not know how much time you have, but I wanted to point out this game we played together. I actually wrote all of that based on your data, not mine haha. Thanks for the color coding. Do you think TT's the other mafia and not EC? I wouldn't go as far as saying that.
Jealous is 100% vet would you agree?
Superbia wouldn't bus to keep the game alive when he could've done elsewise and win, is that the agreement as well?
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I think I've had a few too many for the night. lol
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On June 13 2016 11:36 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2016 04:01 emperorchampion wrote:
Also using shenanigans for reads in these scenarios is completely bonkers hmm
Do you disagree?
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Hmm time for another defence I see, gimme few minutes.
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On June 13 2016 12:46 Jealous wrote:Skynx/EC/Tictock all voted for the same person each day, except when TT did shennanies onto BTDT. Skynx always votes before EC. EC waited for another person to vote in between them in 2/3 days, except when he was last vote. Ticktock voted between the two of them on both of those instances, and shennanied later. They never voted first for the person who ended up lynched. The only person to note vote for the same person on those days is BTDT. So, unless scott is scum, then two of Skynx/EC/Tictock were working as a 2 man voting/bandwagoning cell. It's worth it to examine their interactions with each other. Looking back at Day 1 data, we have: + Show Spoiler [beentheredonethat] +BTDT reads Superbia, QuickTwist, Tumblewood town
BTDT reads MoosyDoosy scum
BTDT votes MoosyDoosy
BTDT reads Jealous scum based off Tumblewood Emperorchampion reads QuickTwist town
Emperorchampion defends QT, points at Moosy
EC softreads Tumble, QT scum
EC reads Skynx, Tumble, QT, Jealous as scum
EC reads Superbia, TT town
EC votes QT
EC says if QT town, Tumble town, Jealous scum Skynx reads Jealous town, Superbia scum
Skynx votes QuickTwist
Skynx defends sqrtneg1, points at FecalFeast
Skynx reads Tumble, EC town
Skynx reads QT, Superbia scum
Skynx defends Jealous @QT
Skynx points BC Tictock casts a fake vote for kushmountain
Tictock reads Moosy scum
Tictock reads Tumblewood town
Tictock says to ignore his previous scum reads lol
Tictock reads Jealous town
Tictock reads Superbia, Tumblewood, Moosy, blkcoffee town
Tictock reads QuickTwist, emperorchampion scum
Tictock votes QuickTwist
Tictock reads Jealous scum
TT points at FF for plynch
TT reads QT, Skynx scum
TT wants to lynch Skynx
TT reads QT scum
TT reads QT scum
TT reads QT, kush, Skynx, EC scum
TT corrects EC for BTDT
TT votes BTDT
TT defends BC
Skynx/EC/Tictock all voted for the same person each day, except when TT did shennanies onto BTDT.
You voted same person each day as well.
They never voted first for the person who ended up lynched.
I wrote the QT case, Moosy was a troll vote and you were in the original argument and counter-voted him.
I started kush train as well along with Super.
That being said I'm conservative with my votes and I'm not a fan of changing them since a sudden change of opinion would draw more suspicion on me when already half of you guys are sr'ing me from n1.
then two of Skynx/EC/Tictock were working as a 2 man voting/bandwagoning cell.
I called TT bandwagonning D2 altho I tr him along with pretty much everyone save Moosy.
I don't see how this is all relevant tho.
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So Scott replaced sqrt and there was that whole receiving role jazz. He was pretty happy on D1/D2 just sitting back enjoying town kill eachother as his filter didn't even fill a single page. He is experienced so I would expect him to at least chat a bit to get some town credit. This makes him unreadable and safe while he avoids any contributions to town.
Mind you he was tied at 3 votes to QT for a long while.
So he posts this list as a summary of his thoughts:
On June 07 2016 07:34 scott31337 wrote:Allright, I got some time to look over things - 1) Emperorchampion - this guy seems like newb town with some of his responses 2) Skynx -He made a "case" on Quicktwist, which I am unsure new mafia would do - most are scared to stick out lilke that - but then also his last post is "Strategic lurking" so.... Not a bad fan at the moment. 5) blkcoffee - null not enough info - one page of filter 6) Jealous - Aggressive, shares his info and thoughts - townlean Venturing Vets 1) beentheredonethat - He shows his thoughts and posts, not all one-liners, townlean 2) Tumblewood - My gut instinct says hes town, i've read multiple games of his and this shows more of a town agenda - wants me dead though 3) MooooooosyDooooosy - He trolls a lot with either alignment, more as town though - and it's been a lot of trolling - 4) nnn_thekushmountians - he points out my posts, but I don't see a whole lot else from the guy. 5) Superbia - looks to be trying to figure out the game - townlean for now 6) FecalFeast -town chilled FF 7)Ticktock - This guy has quite a lot of opposite reads than I do, which makes me wonder - him and me in that milo game will always be on my mind  I think I have too many "townies" - I'd have to go with scumteam of TT, Moosy, and Blkcoffee for now with maybe a bit of Tumble - I think Tumble should be the one I completely re-read.
2) Skynx -He made a "case" on Quicktwist, which I am unsure new mafia would do - most are scared to stick out lilke that - but then also his last post is "Strategic lurking" so.... Not a bad fan at the moment.
So this is a shady read which can go both ways. Thinks I'm suspicious from my last post but likes my stlye?
5) blkcoffee - null not enough info - one page of filter
lol the irony
1) beentheredonethat - He shows his thoughts and posts, not all one-liners, townlean
This imo is a giveaway. While he's right about btdt's style his only mention of btdt returns at Moosy's claim. TT & FF tried shennanies on him, kush sr'd him and Scott was absent from the discussion.
He doesn't really pushes his questions either:
On June 08 2016 02:57 scott31337 wrote:
So tumble is dead.
Super looks more interested in the game, and so does moosy.
Tictock who are your three scum right now?
I've skimmed the thread, at a worksite right now but I shall return.
Not entirely scummy but still:
On June 10 2016 18:40 scott31337 wrote:
Tinfoil - Shapelog didn't mention about the rules about how a veteran loses his vest while being roleblocked in the OP (or does not?!?) - so the example is actually how he rolled the dice.
On June 01 2016 07:48 Tubesock wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2016 05:08 Skynx wrote:
Yey, we need 1 more then i guess.
In other news, do vets die if they get shot while roleblocked? They will die.
Anyway, his sudden activity peak after a scum flip makes me wonder if it's just to take the heat off himself.
He's also ready to jump on btdt without hesitation because he knows the real deal and it's inevitable at this point + it will give him town credit. So he shuts down any other argument:
On June 11 2016 03:16 scott31337 wrote:Yeah I think we lynch you tomorrow.
I'm not even 1 bit worried hihi
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I'm tired tho I don't think I can fit another analyse for now. TT & emperor reads coming tomorrow.
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I might as well put my vote on park for now.
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Had one a hellofa weekend...
Will be catching up with this game sometime tonight.
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I've mad my vote. Actually...
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Day 4 vote count
Skynx(1): Scott31337
Scott31337(1): Skynx
emperorchampion(1): Jealous
Tictock(0) Jealous
Not voting (3): Superbia, emperorchampion, Tictock
Currently, Skynx, is set to be executed. Day 3 ends in All votes must be casted in the voting thread here: Link.
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On June 12 2016 07:49 Superbia wrote:Pretty awesome! We did apocalypse world and I got to violate some people with my violation glove and mind control command them.
Nice nice. I find it's hard to keep games of d&d going, since I don't want to exclude friends, and playing with 6-7 people is not really feasible :/
Anyways, it's always monk all the way!
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Humm, slowly catching up and rereading some stuff.
I'd like to be seeing a little more out of Skynx and Scott, it's interesting that they are going after each other pretty much right off the bat.
Also I'd like to know why Scott ninja voted Emp here.
Emp what are your thoughts atm? Who do you think is scum?
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On June 14 2016 06:11 Tictock wrote:
Humm, slowly catching up and rereading some stuff.
I'd like to be seeing a little more out of Skynx and Scott, it's interesting that they are going after each other pretty much right off the bat.
Also I'd like to know why Scott ninja voted Emp here.
Emp what are your thoughts atm? Who do you think is scum?
It's not a ninja vote - I'm voting with my conftown 100% Jealous
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I posted that in the first post after the day started
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On June 14 2016 06:13 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2016 06:11 Tictock wrote:
Humm, slowly catching up and rereading some stuff.
I'd like to be seeing a little more out of Skynx and Scott, it's interesting that they are going after each other pretty much right off the bat.
Also I'd like to know why Scott ninja voted Emp here.
Emp what are your thoughts atm? Who do you think is scum? It's not a ninja vote - I'm voting with my conftown 100% Jealous
Ah thats right.
Kinda a cop out move though... eh?
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On June 14 2016 06:24 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2016 06:13 scott31337 wrote:On June 14 2016 06:11 Tictock wrote:
Humm, slowly catching up and rereading some stuff.
I'd like to be seeing a little more out of Skynx and Scott, it's interesting that they are going after each other pretty much right off the bat.
Also I'd like to know why Scott ninja voted Emp here.
Emp what are your thoughts atm? Who do you think is scum? It's not a ninja vote - I'm voting with my conftown 100% Jealous Ah thats right. Kinda a cop out move though... eh?
Doesn't matter who dies you know 
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I've been looking through your filter actually 
On June 09 2016 07:47 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2016 07:37 Jealous wrote:On June 09 2016 07:36 Tictock wrote:On June 09 2016 07:32 Jealous wrote:On June 09 2016 07:29 Tictock wrote:
Yea we should be lynching Kush here guys. I'm not feeling any of these other lynches.
I will have to berate some people if Emp gets lynched and flips town. It strikes me as interesting that on both days you were the third to vote for the current ban leader. Jumping on the bandwagon? Hey as long as the wagon has the proper furnishings. This one is feeling much more comfy than QT's so I have no inklings of hopping off it like I did his. These lynches are pretty different tbh. If they both flip town will you feel the same way? Yea, QT getting lynched i feel kinda bad for kus I had the sense that the lynch was bad and didn't do much about it till too late. Kush is a good enough player that he should be making some effort here. I wont feel bad if he flips town.
I think this is the post that I've found that gives me the most pause since it seems like you are hedging your bets in a way "if he is scum I was right, if he isn't scum it's because he was a bad player".
Otherwise I like a few things, especially these two:
+ Show Spoiler +On June 10 2016 19:16 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2016 15:53 beentheredonethat wrote:
Just catching up. Posting from mobile since Moosy just claimed. Since there was no cc just yet, I think he is either genuine or no cop is in. I am not scum and I really want to point out that there is a framer in. I am the doc. I was roleblocked night 1, trying to save tumble, and I saved Jealous last night.
Given that no vig kill on Emperor happened, I think we do not have a vig in which makes Moosys cmaim stronger. Only thing is that his claim forced me to claim myself. We will be fucked if we lynch myself for Moosys framed check. Moosy will be killed at night then and if I count correctly, we lost. I posted extremely low volume all the time to not get on scum radar which so far worked.
So long story short: Moosy is the cop. There is a framer in. I am doctor. Honestly this sounds like me when I got tracked as scum delivering KP, didn't want to outright call the person who tracked me scum and tried to invent a world where everyone was town. Your reads check out I guess. You TR Tumble and put some faith in his posts, but the TR on Jealous feels less fleshed out. Tbh though there isn't much to go on. Eh the world you propose is hard to believe because for you to be town mafia not only must have a framer (which is apparently impossible, if I understood the setup) but also a Roleblocker, and both targeted you. Moosy's claim is much smoother and tracks really well given his posts, which means for him to be fake claiming he planned it out from the start of D2. So yea, I'm believing Moosy all the way here. On June 08 2016 11:41 Tictock wrote:I'd actually like to know why BtDt gave FF a townread for shenanigans onto him... and why I did the same thing but was just a null read + Show Spoiler +On June 06 2016 18:52 beentheredonethat wrote:
Given that Fecalfeast tried to initiate shenanigans makes me townread him. Since QT flipped town, there was absolutely no need for scum to try shenanigans. There were no other wagon on its way, so the mislynch must have been safe.
It is interesting to note that I ended up with two votes, due to the attempted shenanigans. I'm wondering why, I don't think I appear too scummy and I think I should definitely be part of any town circle that there is. I am easily readable, I try to establish my thought processes, and I kept my vote on MoosyDoosy: noone confirmed the meta/"is he able to emulate his town meta" question yet (besides himself). Also, his vote made the difference: shenanigans could've worked if he wouldn't have been the 5th guy to vote QT.
As a further note, Tumblewood still feels very townie to me. So I'll form my own town circle containing Superbia, Tumblewood, Fecalfeast, Jealous and myself (I have to review Superbia though, I don't remember much from the end of D1 that I really liked. Still town pile, though). Following that pattern, we could easily have all three scum players on QuickTwist. Removing Jealous as my town read, it comes down to:
Skynx, emperorchampion, scott31337, MoosyDoosy
Of those four players, scott had two votes cast on him, temporarily three due to the QT vote. That might have triggered MoosyDoosy to finalize the wagon of QT. What do you think about scott and MoosyDoosy, guys? I feel like I might have found a connection here. While it's not enough for a lynch IMHO, it should be enough to justify a potential power role action. One should examine those guys at night very closely.
I think it's too early to completely go by process of elimination - but I strongly suggest to not lynch outside of those players as the chance of having one or more scummers among those four bolded lads is very high.
My nulls (i.e. todos) are thekushmountains and Tictock. I still want to keep my vote on Kush though kus he doesn't seem like he cares and I remember town Kush giving a shit.
I think that individually, Skynx and Scott are they scummiest. I need to read through their filters tonight/tomorrow and decide if it works together as a team though.
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On June 14 2016 06:33 Skynx wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2016 06:24 Tictock wrote:On June 14 2016 06:13 scott31337 wrote:On June 14 2016 06:11 Tictock wrote:
Humm, slowly catching up and rereading some stuff.
I'd like to be seeing a little more out of Skynx and Scott, it's interesting that they are going after each other pretty much right off the bat.
Also I'd like to know why Scott ninja voted Emp here.
Emp what are your thoughts atm? Who do you think is scum? It's not a ninja vote - I'm voting with my conftown 100% Jealous Ah thats right. Kinda a cop out move though... eh? Doesn't matter who dies you know
What do you mean?
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Oh word, we have more time left. I somehow thought today was the day. I can do some digging tonight, probably.
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