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NocturneMage
United Kingdom1965 Posts
Vote Count: Day 1 QuickTwist (3): sqrtofneg1 (2): nnn_thekushmountains, QuickTwist MoosyDoosy (2): Superbia, beentheredonethat Superbia (0): Not Voting (6): emperorchampion, sqrtofneg1, blkcoffee, Tumblewood, MoosyDoosy, Fecalfeast Currently QuickTwist will be executed. Day 1 ends in on 23:00 GMT (+00:00). The voting thread is here. Only votes there will be counted. | ||
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Shapelog
United States5185 Posts
Vote Count: Day 1 QuickTwist (3): sqrtofneg1 (2): nnn_thekushmountains, QuickTwist, MoosyDoosy (2): Superbia, Beentheredonethat Superbia (0): Not Voting (6): emperorchampion, sqrtofneg1, blkcoffee, Tumblewood, MoosyDoosy, Fecalfeast Currently QuickTwist will be executed. Day 1 ends in on 23:00 GMT (+00:00). The voting thread is here. Only votes there will be counted. | ||
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Tumblewood
United States3709 Posts
On June 05 2016 01:45 emperorchampion wrote: Filter diving, I like the term  To be honest, with regards to filter diving, I'm just not really sure the best way to play the game, so I'm trying things to see what works out. this comes from a genuine townie who's trying. emperor is town. | ||
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emperorchampion
Canada9496 Posts
Merci! Anyhow, I'm out for a bit, we'll see how things shake out in a bit. | ||
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beentheredonethat
2934 Posts
On June 04 2016 19:53 Jealous wrote: I'm not going to argue with what you've already admitted is highly conditional reasoning, but if your faith in Tumblewood is so great then you should check this post: In here he says that his suspicion lies on QuickTwist, which somewhat debunks your line of reasoning because your townreads would be only 50% accurate. That plus your EBWOP is a great pick and shows exactly the problem I have with that scumread. My read is a bit too weak to justify a vote. Well, so according to thekushmountains, MoosyDoosy "always plays like this" if town? Can anyone point me to some games that he played or at least confirm what thekushmountains said? Although, I'm not buying into it yet: while meta reads can be very potent, they are always a bit fragile since it's easily possible to "play for his own meta" to appear as the opposite alignment. Reading MoosyDoosy, no offense, feels like listening to the unordered thoughts of a child: open to distractions, not focusing on anything, whatever. From my experience, players that have such a playstyle mainly want to stay unreadable and are very unstable in terms of activity levels. Well long story short, if MoosyDoosy is currently indeed playing to his town meta, it renders my arguments obsolete. Going full circle, back to Jealous: On June 04 2016 08:25 Jealous wrote: My expectations were mixed in that I simultaneously did not want to be important because I would then be under a lot of pressure to perform my duties up to a certain standard, but I also did want to have some sway in the outcome of the game beyond just words and analysis. I am satisfied with my role. How about you? This is a very good question from Superbia which solidifies my town read on him even further. However Jealous' answer feels really scummy to me, so I want to point that out. IMHO, the purpose of this question is to be able to get a tone read on the questioned person. If the person admits that he's disappointed in his role or alignment, that information can be used to further analyse the posts that happened until now. So, imagine you're scum, and you're being asked that question. You don't know if there is a "right" (town indicative) or "wrong" answer, do you? Well, I don't. So you cannot answer that question clearly. Jealous is not answering that question clearly. If I would have been asked that question, I'd have answered "scum" (or, tbh, "neutral"), because I prefer being the one being searched for instead of reading carefully through stuff and identifying/guessing inconsistencies, blatant lies, and busses. The only intention behind Jealous' answer could be to hide that he's actually glad that he rolled scum and that this is the reason of his high activity level. Jealous, can you answer Superbia's question more clearly? What is your stance on Tictock and QuickTwist (there's a specific reason why I ask for this read which I'll tell after the answer)? | ||
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Skynx
Turkey7150 Posts
On June 05 2016 01:51 blkcoffee wrote: Sorry I wasn't clear. Right now what is your read on qt? I'm not really too bothered on your read of him after he flips. I'm not sure what you're trying to do here. He is scum from the way I read his posts. | ||
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sqrtofneg1
Canada1159 Posts
Sorry. /replace | ||
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Skynx
Turkey7150 Posts
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Jealous
10188 Posts
On June 05 2016 02:08 beentheredonethat wrote: That plus your EBWOP is a great pick and shows exactly the problem I have with that scumread. My read is a bit too weak to justify a vote. Well, so according to thekushmountains, MoosyDoosy "always plays like this" if town? Can anyone point me to some games that he played or at least confirm what thekushmountains said? Although, I'm not buying into it yet: while meta reads can be very potent, they are always a bit fragile since it's easily possible to "play for his own meta" to appear as the opposite alignment. Reading MoosyDoosy, no offense, feels like listening to the unordered thoughts of a child: open to distractions, not focusing on anything, whatever. From my experience, players that have such a playstyle mainly want to stay unreadable and are very unstable in terms of activity levels. Well long story short, if MoosyDoosy is currently indeed playing to his town meta, it renders my arguments obsolete. Going full circle, back to Jealous: This is a very good question from Superbia which solidifies my town read on him even further. However Jealous' answer feels really scummy to me, so I want to point that out. IMHO, the purpose of this question is to be able to get a tone read on the questioned person. If the person admits that he's disappointed in his role or alignment, that information can be used to further analyse the posts that happened until now. So, imagine you're scum, and you're being asked that question. You don't know if there is a "right" (town indicative) or "wrong" answer, do you? Well, I don't. So you cannot answer that question clearly. Jealous is not answering that question clearly. If I would have been asked that question, I'd have answered "scum" (or, tbh, "neutral"), because I prefer being the one being searched for instead of reading carefully through stuff and identifying/guessing inconsistencies, blatant lies, and busses. The only intention behind Jealous' answer could be to hide that he's actually glad that he rolled scum and that this is the reason of his high activity level. Jealous, can you answer Superbia's question more clearly? What is your stance on Tictock and QuickTwist (there's a specific reason why I ask for this read which I'll tell after the answer)? I don't know if it's possible to answer more clearly, simply because I didn't have any concrete expectations going into this. I wasn't sure if I could play up to par; I knew it might be detrimental to the game if I got a key role and couldn't perform intelligently. I rolled town and I am satisfied with my roll. | ||
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Jealous
10188 Posts
On June 05 2016 02:08 beentheredonethat wrote: That plus your EBWOP is a great pick and shows exactly the problem I have with that scumread. My read is a bit too weak to justify a vote. Well, so according to thekushmountains, MoosyDoosy "always plays like this" if town? Can anyone point me to some games that he played or at least confirm what thekushmountains said? Although, I'm not buying into it yet: while meta reads can be very potent, they are always a bit fragile since it's easily possible to "play for his own meta" to appear as the opposite alignment. Reading MoosyDoosy, no offense, feels like listening to the unordered thoughts of a child: open to distractions, not focusing on anything, whatever. From my experience, players that have such a playstyle mainly want to stay unreadable and are very unstable in terms of activity levels. Well long story short, if MoosyDoosy is currently indeed playing to his town meta, it renders my arguments obsolete. Going full circle, back to Jealous: This is a very good question from Superbia which solidifies my town read on him even further. However Jealous' answer feels really scummy to me, so I want to point that out. IMHO, the purpose of this question is to be able to get a tone read on the questioned person. If the person admits that he's disappointed in his role or alignment, that information can be used to further analyse the posts that happened until now. So, imagine you're scum, and you're being asked that question. You don't know if there is a "right" (town indicative) or "wrong" answer, do you? Well, I don't. So you cannot answer that question clearly. Jealous is not answering that question clearly. If I would have been asked that question, I'd have answered "scum" (or, tbh, "neutral"), because I prefer being the one being searched for instead of reading carefully through stuff and identifying/guessing inconsistencies, blatant lies, and busses. The only intention behind Jealous' answer could be to hide that he's actually glad that he rolled scum and that this is the reason of his high activity level. Jealous, can you answer Superbia's question more clearly? What is your stance on Tictock and QuickTwist (there's a specific reason why I ask for this read which I'll tell after the answer)? Sorry, forgot to answer your follow-up questions: 1. Tictock, I don't find him to be suspicious. Leaning towards townie but can't be certain. 2. QuickTwist, he's inconsistent, deceitful, and therefore he is either a) a player that is a detriment to the town even if he is a townie or b) scum. I voted to lynch him today. | ||
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Jealous
10188 Posts
On June 05 2016 02:11 sqrtofneg1 wrote: Something came up. Sorry. /replace That's unfortunate, but we should not ignore who voted for sqrtofneg1. Perhaps I'm forgetting something, but is there any justification forthcoming from kushmountains, QuickTwist, or Tumblewood for trying to lynch sqrtofneg1? | ||
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Tumblewood
United States3709 Posts
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Jealous
10188 Posts
On June 05 2016 02:25 Tumblewood wrote: I don't like this "detriment to the town even if he is a townie" sentiment... what is that supposed to mean? If he is a townie, he is not detrimental to the town unless he causes us to lynch him. What is he doing? "Sowing seeds of confusion?" He's not undermining anyone, confusing anyone, he's just playing the game. Either call him scum or call him town, but don't say you'd lynch him if he's town because that's totally backwards. Let me be clear, I have the greatest suspicion of him being scum of anyone else in the thread so far, that is the main reason for my vote. However, my argument is that even if he flips town, then he was behaving in a way that is counterproductive to the town. Namely, he makes unsubstantiated reads, fake votes in this thread, and dodges questions. Thus, I''m doubly willing to take the chance on a Day 1 read and voted for him. Seems others feel the same way. | ||
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Tumblewood
United States3709 Posts
On June 05 2016 02:22 Jealous wrote: That's unfortunate, but we should not ignore who voted for sqrtofneg1. Perhaps I'm forgetting something, but is there any justification forthcoming from kushmountains, QuickTwist, or Tumblewood for trying to lynch sqrtofneg1? I want a policy-lynch today (basically, lynching someone who is AFK), because I think that the active players will make their alignments clear as the game progresses and that the inactive players will remain coinflips throughout the game. Also, in newbie games, scum is lynched 16% of the time on D1 when random lynching would lynch scum 25% of the time (source: the database). I would rather lynch someone who is 50/50 inactive townie / scum than someone who is 50/50 active townie / scum. Sqrtofneg1 is perhaps the worst of the lurkers to lynch now that he is getting a replacement, but I would like to lynch someone inactive today. | ||
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Jealous
10188 Posts
On June 05 2016 02:30 Jealous wrote: Let me be clear, he is the most suspicious person in my eyes so far, that is the main reason for my vote. However, my argument is that even if he flips town, then he was behaving in a way that is counterproductive to the town. Namely, he makes unsubstantiated reads, fake votes in this thread, and dodges questions. Thus, I''m doubly willing to take the chance on a Day 1 read and voted for him. Seems others feel the same way. EBWOP; Phrasing | ||
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Tumblewood
United States3709 Posts
On June 05 2016 02:30 Jealous wrote: Let me be clear, I have the greatest suspicion of him being scum of anyone else in the thread so far, that is the main reason for my vote. However, my argument is that even if he flips town, then he was behaving in a way that is counterproductive to the town. Namely, he makes unsubstantiated reads, fake votes in this thread, and dodges questions. Thus, I''m doubly willing to take the chance on a Day 1 read and voted for him. Seems others feel the same way. that's not counterproductive to the town though oh my... have you heard of the player "Palmar"? most people regard him as one of the best players on the site, and he almost never substantiates his reads or answers questions on D1. This is his filter from the last game he played. One can be helpful to town without backing up what one says. | ||
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Jealous
10188 Posts
On June 05 2016 02:30 Tumblewood wrote: I want a policy-lynch today (basically, lynching someone who is AFK), because I think that the active players will make their alignments clear as the game progresses and that the inactive players will remain coinflips throughout the game. Also, in newbie games, scum is lynched 16% of the time on D1 when random lynching would lynch scum 25% of the time (source: the database). I would rather lynch someone who is 50/50 inactive townie / scum than someone who is 50/50 active townie / scum. Sqrtofneg1 is perhaps the worst of the lurkers to lynch now that he is getting a replacement, but I would like to lynch someone inactive today. This makes sense, and if I didn't have my strong suspicions, I would agree with this plan. However, it is interesting for me to note how early people voted for sqrtofneg1 even though there were other inactives. So, you joined the vote against sqrtofneg1 to join QuickTwist and kushmountains, tying him for votes with QuickTwist. Also interesting. | ||
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Skynx
Turkey7150 Posts
On June 05 2016 02:35 Tumblewood wrote: that's not counterproductive to the town though oh my... have you heard of the player "Palmar"? most people regard him as one of the best players on the site, and he almost never substantiates his reads or answers questions on D1. This is his filter from the last game he played. One can be helpful to town without backing up what one says. Kinda off-topic but I was 95% sure Palmar was scum after Koshi was clipped. | ||
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MoosyDoosy
United States4519 Posts
On June 05 2016 01:19 Tumblewood wrote: BTDT (that's what I'll be calling beentheredonethat for the rest of the game) is probably town because newbie scums tend to have a hard time making a coherent, decent case. i agree! that was the exact same read that i had :D | ||
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beentheredonethat
2934 Posts
On June 05 2016 02:21 Jealous wrote: Sorry, forgot to answer your follow-up questions: 1. Tictock, I don't find him to be suspicious. Leaning towards townie but can't be certain. 2. QuickTwist, he's inconsistent, deceitful, and therefore he is either a) a player that is a detriment to the town even if he is a townie or b) scum. I voted to lynch him today. Okay. My purpose in this question was basically to be able to compare a read you've given by voting to a read that cannot be really existing. Your stance on Tictock makes sense. Still fine with a MoosyDoosy or a policy lynch. I caught some threads here where MoosyDoosy is playing a similar style as he does now. However, if QT is a detriment to town, why isn't moosy? In your eyes, he should be, right? That's quite the inconsistency. | ||
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