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Jealous
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
10314 Posts
June 04 2016 11:13 GMT
#601
On June 04 2016 20:07 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 04 2016 20:02 Jealous wrote:
On June 04 2016 19:49 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:
Qt and jealous. Activity is good to an extent but you guys are being really anti town with your one on one spam. No one is going to read it. Pleaase consolidate your points and talk stop just talking to each other,

I was met with the same criticism not long ago and made this post an hour ago:

On June 04 2016 18:18 Jealous wrote:
If you want to read one post that summarizes my stance on Day 1 so far, it would be this one:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/508622-newbie-mafia-xxi?page=27#521

The rest is bickering, clarification, etc.


Whether you read the rest or not is up to you and your level of dedication. I was simply pursuing what I find to be a legitimate lead, which has led me to construct the following points on why I believe QT is a good vote for Day 1::

1. QT's posts, on average, lack substance (failing to answer questions, using memes as answers, dodgy responses in general, no analysis presented to substantiate claims).

2. QT voted for one person, then claimed to vote for another in this thread while making a vote post in the voting thread that did not corroborate his verbal stance, all while not even using the proper format for unvoting so therefore there is a strong possibility that he is intentionally misleading people.

There are more but I don't want to be too long-winded yet again.

I really don't care if you wrote a summary. What you are doing now is bad for town. People are going to be discouraged to read the whole game and it's going to be harder to get a read on those people.
Not every one has as much free time as you.

Too much writing.
Especially because it's mostly 1v1.

So you don't care that I've summarized pages of information that may prove useful into one post and shared it, therefore presenting you with information that is relevant to the game in a concise fashion so you don't have to read the volume of posts that you complain about. Okay. Maybe one day us mere mortals will be worthy of your time but I guess today is not that day.
"The right to vote is only the oar of the slaveship, I wanna be free." -- бум бум сучка!
nnn_thekushmountains
Profile Joined February 2016
1501 Posts
June 04 2016 11:29 GMT
#602
No one is going to even find that post. It's a needle in a haystack.

For me it's irrelevant because we aren't lynching either of you today.
Jealous
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
10314 Posts
June 04 2016 11:47 GMT
#603
On June 04 2016 20:29 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:
No one is going to even find that post. It's a needle in a haystack.

For me it's irrelevant because we aren't lynching either of you today.

Except I just linked it twice now so that it's readily available.

I don't see why lynching QuickTwist is not an option, but perhaps you don't see why it is one because you don't bother to read one or two posts I guess. It's doubly interesting because it also concerns you.
"The right to vote is only the oar of the slaveship, I wanna be free." -- бум бум сучка!
Skynx
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Turkey7150 Posts
June 04 2016 11:53 GMT
#604
Good morning people! Not having much else to do I actually went through 3 pages of solid spam. I then also went to read QT filter:
1: Contentless town reads
On June 04 2016 09:45 QuickTwist wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 04 2016 09:41 Tumblewood wrote:
ah goddammit I'm going after the low-hanging fruit
I'll be back when kush or someone is in the thread so I can be productive


I think this is a townie response.

Including this one he made some town reads based on absolutely nothing, First 3 were kinda trying to get the game going but they don't benefit town as if you don't have some case on why someone is town why just claim them town, you're just promoting confusion.

2: Memes & one liners
+ Show Spoiler +
On June 04 2016 09:46 QuickTwist wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 04 2016 09:44 Jealous wrote:
On June 04 2016 09:43 QuickTwist wrote:
On June 04 2016 09:39 Jealous wrote:
On June 04 2016 09:35 QuickTwist wrote:
On June 04 2016 09:33 Jealous wrote:
On June 04 2016 09:31 QuickTwist wrote:
On June 04 2016 09:29 Jealous wrote:
On June 04 2016 09:22 QuickTwist wrote:
On June 04 2016 09:14 blkcoffee wrote:
[quote]

This seems rather too in-depth this early on. I think if quicktwist gave an explanation For the town read we could analyse it and see how it holds up.


[image loading]

Another dodgy response here. Leaning scum intensifies.


you're going to have to explain how that makes me scum without saying the word "vibes".

Instead of substantiating your claims you post image macros that effectively close the topic for further analysis and discussion, something that would be key for scum to do in order to protect themselves from further inspection.


yeah, and really really super obvious as well.

Knowing nothing about you or your play style and only judging from the content that you present, it's logical to use Ockham's razor and go with the most obvious explanation. You continue to dodge post after post, question after question, and only cast doubt upon the analysis of others by trying to debase them without any substance whatsoever.


You know what I think? I think you should hold off your judgement until you DO know my playstyle.

Or maybe you can answer some questions and show your play style through analysis and not through mindless macros and unsubstantiated claims.


[image loading]

This doesn't add anything to the conversation and he seems to like it as a cheap way of not elaborating things further. His filter page3 reeks of just memes and one liners. These are just useless spam.

3: Ignoring valid posts that are making sense
So tumble posted this about the spam
On June 04 2016 10:47 Tumblewood wrote:
hi kush
Show nested quote +
On June 04 2016 10:21 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:
The single biggest indicator of alignment is consistent activity. That is why we need to kill a lurker day 1.

okay with plynches but not for that reason. in newbie games mafia is lynched almost never on d1 so I'd rather take my chances on someone who won't contribute than someone who might turn out to be a helpful townie

His response:
On June 04 2016 11:00 QuickTwist wrote:
##Vote: Tumblewood

I shouldn't be getting this much town cred already should I?

As town, why would you wanna lynch someone is trying to make sense, if you're serious that is.

4: Diverting attention by linking old stuff
On June 04 2016 13:18 QuickTwist wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 04 2016 08:35 QuickTwist wrote:
On June 04 2016 08:32 Superbia wrote:
Jealous which between myself and quicky is more suspicious?


What is the point to this question?


Sup, can you answer this question now?

On June 04 2016 13:23 QuickTwist wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 04 2016 08:48 Tumblewood wrote:
On June 04 2016 08:45 Superbia wrote:
On June 04 2016 08:44 Skynx wrote:
So, Incognito guide tells me town likes clarity and mafia likes contentless posts.
Jealous sounds towny to me. QT also keep things clean.
Super n moosy are kinda chatting shit so I assume we can read more as game progresses.
Super is most scummy so far.


Do you think quicky (QT) is town?

50/50 like for reading and applying Incognito's guide / dislike for maybe (?) hiding behind Incognito's guide instead of speaking for yourself
also Incognito's guide is pretty old and now there are a lot of players that spam as both alignments


Link to guid?

These are where he understands he's not making a lot of sense so lets bring up old arguments and create some diversion. Super wasn't serious and you should've read the guide already, these are irrelevant to the discussion where people actually started to scumread him.

Please enlighten me if you think he has made 1 usefull/towny post. Even if you think he might be town, these constant flow of useless posts are last thing we need and lynching him would benefit town more than plynching an afk for now, i don't think he will make positive contributions later on.

On June 04 2016 12:18 QuickTwist wrote:
I will not be living tomorrow.



##Vote: QuickTwist
"When seagulls follow the troller, it is because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea. Thank you very much" - King Cantona | STX 4 eva
Skynx
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Turkey7150 Posts
June 04 2016 11:56 GMT
#605
EBWOP

Before someone mentions it, you can apply the spamming bit to Jealous aswell but I think he was actually making sense and argue in a constructive way.
"When seagulls follow the troller, it is because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea. Thank you very much" - King Cantona | STX 4 eva
Skynx
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Turkey7150 Posts
June 04 2016 12:45 GMT
#606
Since no one is around I'll be away until the evening.
"When seagulls follow the troller, it is because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea. Thank you very much" - King Cantona | STX 4 eva
blkcoffee
Profile Joined May 2016
35 Posts
June 04 2016 13:50 GMT
#607
On June 04 2016 16:18 Tumblewood wrote:
ok yeah as I see it one of QT and Jealous has to be scum. they're both acting independently scummy (eager to read anything as scummy, tryhard tone, making mountains of molehills). I don't believe that they could both be town, although if they were I will mock D1 relentlessly in postgame. I also believe that they could not keep up this stupid bickering for so long as partners. I'm leaning toward QT at this point for refuting everything Jealous says and then townreading him for it (pretty shallow townread IMO, there's more to the game than just how much you write that's semi-productive). Jealous maybe, but I think my dislike of his tone biases my judgment. 6/10 would lynch QT D1 and if he flips town lynch Jealous D2
or we could plynch sqrt and let their alignments become more apparent over time.


What would you say to the argument that being tryhard doesn't make you scummy. I'm also a bit confused how they are both independently scummy here for your reasons as qt has been quick to give town reads and posting lots of goofy images. This isn't really tryhard behaviour.

Overall I'm not convinced that one of then has to be scum and certainly not swayed by your reasoning
blkcoffee
Profile Joined May 2016
35 Posts
June 04 2016 13:57 GMT
#608
On June 04 2016 20:29 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:
No one is going to even find that post. It's a needle in a haystack.

For me it's irrelevant because we aren't lynching either of you today.


This is my feeling aswell
MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
June 04 2016 14:22 GMT
#609
On June 04 2016 08:58 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:
dear god why are there 20 pages already

THAT'S WHAT I'M THINKING TO MYSELF RIGHT NOW
"Just a second too late rsoultin :D" - My 4k Guardian post
MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
June 04 2016 14:25 GMT
#610
On June 04 2016 09:11 Jealous wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 04 2016 09:10 QuickTwist wrote:
On June 04 2016 09:08 Superbia wrote:
Perhaps. What about your other town reads?


I thought you were going to go play D&D. What happened to that? Did you get high or something?

Well, that went 0-100 pretty quickly and for no reason as far as I can tell. Dodgy answer, trying to cast shade on another...

THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE SAYING BUT YOU'RE CASTING JUST AS MUCH SHADE IF NOT MORE THAN THEM DOOOOOOD
"Just a second too late rsoultin :D" - My 4k Guardian post
MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
June 04 2016 14:27 GMT
#611
On June 04 2016 09:23 Jealous wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 04 2016 09:14 blkcoffee wrote:
On June 04 2016 08:59 Jealous wrote:
On June 04 2016 08:53 blkcoffee wrote:
On June 04 2016 08:49 Jealous wrote:
On June 04 2016 08:46 Tumblewood wrote:
tryhard newbie + Show Spoiler [*cough cough*] +
jealous
= scum newbie most of the time

With no clues to work off of and only the content of a few early posters to analyze, I don't think my behavior is suspicious in the slightest and you're trying to cast shade on someone you may know is townie.

I played my last two TL Mafia games in 2008, in which I was townie and then mafia, in both of which I tried pretty hard by my reckoning. Here are the summaries for full disclosure since they were on a different account:

Townie: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/67925-tl-mafia-2-gg?user=fanatacist
Mafia: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/80975-tl-mafia-3-night-5?user=fanatacist


If it's alright with you I'm not going to read any of those games.

I'm curious what you think of quick town reading you so early and his subsequent town reads.

For quicktwist. Can you explain how you came to a serious vote on super. What changed?

That's fine, they are there for anyone who is curious, and were presented solely as some substantive evidence against Tumblewood's flimsy read.

What I think of Quick town-reading me so early is that he is that he is potentially trying to make allies among people he would know are confirmed townie, because he is mafia. Or, in retrospect, as my first post in response to him and Superbia was more or less stating that I found their behavior suspicious, he aims to pass that suspicion onto me by making it seem like I am in cohorts with them, or something. The fact that he is a newcomer to TL Mafia may have something to do with the fact that he is playing, in my opinion, fast and dangerous.


This seems rather too in-depth this early on. I think if quicktwist gave an explanation For the town read we could analyse it and see how it holds up.

I agree that I may be making mountains out of molehills, and you are also right in saying that we need to know why the molehill was constructed in the first place. However, with no pertinent explanation available, it is my inclination to lean scum on QuickTwist.

lol wat. you're playing exactly the same as QuickTwist but you want to kill him. NICE
"Just a second too late rsoultin :D" - My 4k Guardian post
MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
June 04 2016 14:30 GMT
#612
On June 04 2016 09:41 Tumblewood wrote:
ah goddammit I'm going after the low-hanging fruit
I'll be back when kush or someone is in the thread so I can be productive

i'm here
"Just a second too late rsoultin :D" - My 4k Guardian post
MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
June 04 2016 14:30 GMT
#613
On June 04 2016 09:49 QuickTwist wrote:
And I'll just say this right now. I am not a Vet.

I know because I'm the vet.
"Just a second too late rsoultin :D" - My 4k Guardian post
MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
June 04 2016 14:32 GMT
#614
On June 04 2016 10:27 Superbia wrote:
I also feel like a bunch of people are talking out of their ass and I'm not sure if it's dumb-plan-town or mafia.

exactly this but i"m sorry superbia bb you're mafia.
"Just a second too late rsoultin :D" - My 4k Guardian post
MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
June 04 2016 14:34 GMT
#615
On June 04 2016 11:29 QuickTwist wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 04 2016 11:27 Tumblewood wrote:
wait what
qt why did you vote ("vote") me in this thread and then vote sqrt in the voting thread? what do you mean by that?


Just seeing if you were paying attention.

no lAd, this just doesn't make any sense.
"Just a second too late rsoultin :D" - My 4k Guardian post
MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
June 04 2016 14:38 GMT
#616
On June 04 2016 12:01 Tumblewood wrote:
going to take a break until I inevitably get bored and come back
playing this game is just not fun for me right now because the only two active players are on (what I see as) the wrong track and set in it. feels like I'm talking to a brick wall.

Talk to me buddy. Does Quicktwist and Jealous feel like two townies caught in an argument against each other and refusing to back down due to pride or is one of them Mafia? For some reason I keep getting hints of the second even though it really looks like the first.
"Just a second too late rsoultin :D" - My 4k Guardian post
MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
June 04 2016 14:41 GMT
#617
On June 04 2016 16:11 Tumblewood wrote:
holy shit I checked the thread one last time before going to bed
Jealous and QT... ur bad, kidz
what you see from TT is pretty normal behavior for early day 1, and you're so eager to jump onto people for easy reasons ("said something that wasn't productive", "off topic", "could be scum doing X stupid plan") and also don't recognize a joke when it's right in your face.
I'm sitting somewhere between 'scum' and 'scrub' for both of you... it seems like one of QT and Jealous surely has to be mafia because they're both acting unnecessarily tryhard, but if they're both scum together then it must be the play of the century to keep a stupid conversation alive so long between two scumbuddies.

nvm you just kind of answered my question with this. xdddd So is this still your thoughts right now?
"Just a second too late rsoultin :D" - My 4k Guardian post
MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
June 04 2016 14:43 GMT
#618
On June 04 2016 16:18 Tumblewood wrote:
ok yeah as I see it one of QT and Jealous has to be scum. they're both acting independently scummy (eager to read anything as scummy, tryhard tone, making mountains of molehills). I don't believe that they could both be town, although if they were I will mock D1 relentlessly in postgame. I also believe that they could not keep up this stupid bickering for so long as partners. I'm leaning toward QT at this point for refuting everything Jealous says and then townreading him for it (pretty shallow townread IMO, there's more to the game than just how much you write that's semi-productive). Jealous maybe, but I think my dislike of his tone biases my judgment. 6/10 would lynch QT D1 and if he flips town lynch Jealous D2
or we could plynch sqrt and let their alignments become more apparent over time.

ok you just answered my question. Sometimes i think I should just read the thread before posting. Interesting thoughts. :3
"Just a second too late rsoultin :D" - My 4k Guardian post
MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
June 04 2016 14:44 GMT
#619
On June 04 2016 17:16 Tictock wrote:
Caught up now, still gunna hold off giving reads till later though. + Show Spoiler [Boring Ass reasons why] +
partially kus I've changed my mind about a couple of people, and partially kus I prefer to have seen posts from everyone


I'll be at a party a large chunk of the evening tomorrow, but should be around plenty going into EoD.

comeee baaaaaack
"Just a second too late rsoultin :D" - My 4k Guardian post
MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
June 04 2016 14:45 GMT
#620
On June 04 2016 19:05 beentheredonethat wrote:
Hello guys, I caught up. There's a lot already to read into. Based on continuous activity, "careless/fearless" pushes and cool refinements of thoughts, I think Superbia is town and we should regard his thoughts a lot. Almost every single page we currently have contains a post of him, and while initial posts might be banter, I can say that from my experience that starting a game is always kind of rough to do.

Also, I like QuickTwist, also for the great activity. The fact that he votes Tumblewood because he gives him a townread ("I shouldn't be getting this much town cred already should I?") makes me think he's town.

However that brought me to filtering Tumblewood. The first two pages of his filter are useless. No pushes, no reads, nothing even remotely readable, which, for me, is mafia indicative. Well, page 3 is much better, and I like this line of thoughts:

Show nested quote +
On June 04 2016 11:31 Tumblewood wrote:
On June 04 2016 11:24 QuickTwist wrote:
OK, so here's why I think Jealous is Town.

He's smart. He knows being overly confident in his reads helps town. He has been pushing scummy behavior namely, me. He is paying really close attention to the game and what people say and jumping on anything the looks like it could get traction. He's pushing his agenda and trying to be very correct.

For that reason I think he would make a really bad lynch today.

his scumreads are founded in a mountain of evidence, but that evidence does not make anyone scum. I don't see how you can refute his reads as misled but then call them good and townie all of a sudden.
townread suspended


So I'd also note Tumblewood as town. Besides the players that have not posted yet or do have a very low post activity, my strongest mafia read as of now is MoosyDoosy. His posts do not make sense, they feel rushed, "activity for the sake of activity" to appear townie, and they're partially total offtopic (see the post about CRISPR). Voting himself, while even against the rules afaik, and spitting out a big post:

+ Show Spoiler +
On June 04 2016 08:16 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 04 2016 05:19 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:I think this is going to be a really slow game unless the newbs talk a lot. None of the vets are big talkers.

BOI I GOT THIS

Show nested quote +
On June 04 2016 05:19 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:3) MooooooosyDooooosy - if he looks scummy, he's town. if he looks townie, he's scum.

lmaoo this is actually pretty tru

Show nested quote +
On June 04 2016 06:44 QuickTwist wrote:
GLHF. I sincerely hope I get my ass handed to me. DarthPunk told me the competition here is good. If I am an above average players here, that is going to not reflect very well on this community. You have been warned. I am not very good at this game.

that won't happen w/ this player list. The vets will be too busy squabbling over each other about how someone used emoticons or something while Mafia will get away. :D Basically: competition =/= good at game. It just means we shit on each other a lot more.

Show nested quote +
On June 04 2016 08:03 Superbia wrote:
First person to hard claim mafia gets a free d1 read&pass.

I'd like to hard claim Mafia mmmmmmmmm

Show nested quote +
On June 04 2016 08:05 QuickTwist wrote:
Hi, I have a PR and I think I should be the first NK.

veteran or mafia

Show nested quote +
On June 04 2016 08:07 QuickTwist wrote:
I;m getting a town read on Sup... for really no reason.

veteran or mafia or mafia

Show nested quote +
On June 04 2016 08:10 QuickTwist wrote:
I will not be claiming mafia, sorry do much disappoint.

veteran or mafia or mafia or mafia



He is just confusing. There is no straight pattern, and I cannot see a goal that he tries to follow. All he does is stirring up chaos, then disappearing. I think he is scum.

##vote MoosyDoosy



Now THIS is a quality post. 10/10 nice job.
"Just a second too late rsoultin :D" - My 4k Guardian post
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