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On June 04 2016 11:27 Tumblewood wrote:
wait what
qt why did you vote ("vote") me in this thread and then vote sqrt in the voting thread? what do you mean by that?
The only outside theory I have, if I may, is again collusion.
He voted for one player. He then changes his vote to another player, while possibly trying to slip by the fact that he actually voted for yet another player, one that only has any votes from kushmountain, a player whose defense for the lack of activity and analysis in comparison to his previous posting style was simply "I was at work so I had more free time," which should be bullshit to begin with.
As I see it, there are two interpretations here:
1. QuickTwist is a free radical, a wildcard, and for that reason he is dangerous to the town. He does not respond to questioning with any substance, makes unsubstantiated claims, and he intentionally misleads the other town members. Maybe he just doesn't care. Regardless of the underlying cause, he should be lynched because even a townie of his character is detrimental to the town simply because of the chaos he propagates.
2. QuickTwist is Mafia, and potentially so is kushmountain. Being new to TL Mafia, QuickTwist acted rashly and had to backtrack after some further coordination with the veteran player. This means he is scum, and is detrimental to the town, and should be lynched.
I fail to see any other alternative.
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On June 04 2016 11:31 Tumblewood wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2016 11:24 QuickTwist wrote:
OK, so here's why I think Jealous is Town.
He's smart. He knows being overly confident in his reads helps town. He has been pushing scummy behavior namely, me. He is paying really close attention to the game and what people say and jumping on anything the looks like it could get traction. He's pushing his agenda and trying to be very correct.
For that reason I think he would make a really bad lynch today. his scumreads are founded in a mountain of evidence, but that evidence does not make anyone scum. I don't see how you can refute his reads as misled but then call them good and townie all of a sudden. townread suspended
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On June 04 2016 11:36 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2016 11:27 Tumblewood wrote:
wait what
qt why did you vote ("vote") me in this thread and then vote sqrt in the voting thread? what do you mean by that? The only outside theory I have, if I may, is again collusion. He voted for one player. He then changes his vote to another player, while possibly trying to slip by the fact that he actually voted for yet another player, one that only has any votes from kushmountain, a player whose defense for the lack of activity and analysis in comparison to his previous posting style was simply "I was at work so I had more free time," which should be bullshit to begin with. As I see it, there are two interpretations here: 1. QuickTwist is a free radical, a wildcard, and for that reason he is dangerous to the town. He does not respond to questioning with any substance, makes unsubstantiated claims, and he intentionally misleads the other town members. Maybe he just doesn't care. Regardless of the underlying cause, he should be lynched because even a townie of his character is detrimental to the town simply because of the chaos he propagates. 2. QuickTwist is Mafia, and potentially so is kushmountain. Being new to TL Mafia, QuickTwist acted rashly and had to backtrack after some further coordination with the veteran player. This means he is scum, and is detrimental to the town, and should be lynched. I fail to see any other alternative.
What if my reads are hella good?
Oh and who is this Kush guy you mention? Has he posted yet? I must have missed it.
I feel a little embarrassed to say this myself, but what if I get reads based on reactions? I call town scum to see who follows and then can pick out who is being opportunistic.
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On June 04 2016 11:36 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2016 11:27 Tumblewood wrote:
wait what
qt why did you vote ("vote") me in this thread and then vote sqrt in the voting thread? what do you mean by that? The only outside theory I have, if I may, is again collusion. He voted for one player. He then changes his vote to another player, while possibly trying to slip by the fact that he actually voted for yet another player, one that only has any votes from kushmountain, a player whose defense for the lack of activity and analysis in comparison to his previous posting style was simply "I was at work so I had more free time," which should be bullshit to begin with. As I see it, there are two interpretations here: 1. QuickTwist is a free radical, a wildcard, and for that reason he is dangerous to the town. He does not respond to questioning with any substance, makes unsubstantiated claims, and he intentionally misleads the other town members. Maybe he just doesn't care. Regardless of the underlying cause, he should be lynched because even a townie of his character is detrimental to the town simply because of the chaos he propagates. 2. QuickTwist is Mafia, and potentially so is kushmountain. Being new to TL Mafia, QuickTwist acted rashly and had to backtrack after some further coordination with the veteran player. This means he is scum, and is detrimental to the town, and should be lynched. I fail to see any other alternative.
of course this is a crude summary, but the vibe I get from this post is, "QT acts irrationally, and therefore he is probably mafia," which is a poor basis for a scumread, because town players frequently act irrationally. QT has actually been the single most helpful person to town so far, regardless of alignment, because he has sparked quality discussion and remained active all game so far.
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also jealous what do you mean by collusion? I don't need a dictionary definition, but the word would imply that a townie is working to help the scum, which is surely not your intent. I may know what you mean as "buddying"-- do you mean that a scum is working to gain the trust of a townie by townreading him?
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On June 04 2016 11:37 QuickTwist wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2016 11:31 Tumblewood wrote:On June 04 2016 11:24 QuickTwist wrote:
OK, so here's why I think Jealous is Town.
He's smart. He knows being overly confident in his reads helps town. He has been pushing scummy behavior namely, me. He is paying really close attention to the game and what people say and jumping on anything the looks like it could get traction. He's pushing his agenda and trying to be very correct.
For that reason I think he would make a really bad lynch today. his scumreads are founded in a mountain of evidence, but that evidence does not make anyone scum. I don't see how you can refute his reads as misled but then call them good and townie all of a sudden. townread suspended
does this post mean something or no?
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On June 04 2016 11:45 Tumblewood wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2016 11:37 QuickTwist wrote:On June 04 2016 11:31 Tumblewood wrote:On June 04 2016 11:24 QuickTwist wrote:
OK, so here's why I think Jealous is Town.
He's smart. He knows being overly confident in his reads helps town. He has been pushing scummy behavior namely, me. He is paying really close attention to the game and what people say and jumping on anything the looks like it could get traction. He's pushing his agenda and trying to be very correct.
For that reason I think he would make a really bad lynch today. his scumreads are founded in a mountain of evidence, but that evidence does not make anyone scum. I don't see how you can refute his reads as misled but then call them good and townie all of a sudden. townread suspended does this post mean something or no?
I looked up a word recently its called "WIFOM." Ever heard of it? Its a good way to keep the enemy on their toes or so we're told.
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On June 04 2016 11:41 Tumblewood wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2016 11:36 Jealous wrote:On June 04 2016 11:27 Tumblewood wrote:
wait what
qt why did you vote ("vote") me in this thread and then vote sqrt in the voting thread? what do you mean by that? The only outside theory I have, if I may, is again collusion. He voted for one player. He then changes his vote to another player, while possibly trying to slip by the fact that he actually voted for yet another player, one that only has any votes from kushmountain, a player whose defense for the lack of activity and analysis in comparison to his previous posting style was simply "I was at work so I had more free time," which should be bullshit to begin with. As I see it, there are two interpretations here: 1. QuickTwist is a free radical, a wildcard, and for that reason he is dangerous to the town. He does not respond to questioning with any substance, makes unsubstantiated claims, and he intentionally misleads the other town members. Maybe he just doesn't care. Regardless of the underlying cause, he should be lynched because even a townie of his character is detrimental to the town simply because of the chaos he propagates. 2. QuickTwist is Mafia, and potentially so is kushmountain. Being new to TL Mafia, QuickTwist acted rashly and had to backtrack after some further coordination with the veteran player. This means he is scum, and is detrimental to the town, and should be lynched. I fail to see any other alternative. of course this is a crude summary, but the vibe I get from this post is, "QT acts irrationally, and therefore he is probably mafia," which is a poor basis for a scumread, because town players frequently act irrationally. QT has actually been the single most helpful person to town so far, regardless of alignment, because he has sparked quality discussion and remained active all game so far.
Your summary of my summary is not accurate. A more accurate summary would be "QuickTwist acts irrationally, therefore is a detriment to the town, regardless of his actual affiliation." Activity is not a metric here, because the majority of his activity as far as I can tell has been vague, full of memes, and as I've said countless times, unsubstantiated. The few posts of his which do have some sort of value I think I could count on one hand. A scum player would follow this posting pattern - inconclusive, divisive, and substance-less posts that detract from any actual analysis. You've also ignored the fact that his vote does not reflect anything he has said in the thread, and that sqrtofneg1 has done nothing to gain the amount of suspicion necessary for two people to vote for him. Hence, I suspect collusion and that QuickTwist and possibly kushmountain are scum, but in the end I am only certain that I don't think QuickTwist will actually benefit the town whether he is scum or not, so I voted for him.
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On June 04 2016 11:44 Tumblewood wrote:
also jealous what do you mean by collusion? I don't need a dictionary definition, but the word would imply that a townie is working to help the scum, which is surely not your intent. I may know what you mean as "buddying"-- do you mean that a scum is working to gain the trust of a townie by townreading him?
My initial statement of collusion was to imply that it appeared like two scum are engaging in seemingly playful banter and thus eliminate the chance of either of them being called out for inactivity, while not-so-subtly hinting at each other being townies and thus not the scum that they very well may be. "Buddying" could be what QuickTwist was doing after this in regards to myself and other posters, by calling townies whom he well knows are townies but with no evidence in order to give them a window of acceptance that could potentially cause them to trust him and support him.
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On June 04 2016 11:48 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2016 11:41 Tumblewood wrote:On June 04 2016 11:36 Jealous wrote:On June 04 2016 11:27 Tumblewood wrote:
wait what
qt why did you vote ("vote") me in this thread and then vote sqrt in the voting thread? what do you mean by that? The only outside theory I have, if I may, is again collusion. He voted for one player. He then changes his vote to another player, while possibly trying to slip by the fact that he actually voted for yet another player, one that only has any votes from kushmountain, a player whose defense for the lack of activity and analysis in comparison to his previous posting style was simply "I was at work so I had more free time," which should be bullshit to begin with. As I see it, there are two interpretations here: 1. QuickTwist is a free radical, a wildcard, and for that reason he is dangerous to the town. He does not respond to questioning with any substance, makes unsubstantiated claims, and he intentionally misleads the other town members. Maybe he just doesn't care. Regardless of the underlying cause, he should be lynched because even a townie of his character is detrimental to the town simply because of the chaos he propagates. 2. QuickTwist is Mafia, and potentially so is kushmountain. Being new to TL Mafia, QuickTwist acted rashly and had to backtrack after some further coordination with the veteran player. This means he is scum, and is detrimental to the town, and should be lynched. I fail to see any other alternative. of course this is a crude summary, but the vibe I get from this post is, "QT acts irrationally, and therefore he is probably mafia," which is a poor basis for a scumread, because town players frequently act irrationally. QT has actually been the single most helpful person to town so far, regardless of alignment, because he has sparked quality discussion and remained active all game so far. Your summary of my summary is not accurate. A more accurate summary would be "QuickTwist acts irrationally, therefore is a detriment to the town, regardless of his actual affiliation." Activity is not a metric here, because the majority of his activity as far as I can tell has been vague, full of memes, and as I've said countless times, unsubstantiated. The few posts of his which do have some sort of value I think I could count on one hand. A scum player would follow this posting pattern - inconclusive, divisive, and substance-less posts that detract from any actual analysis. You've also ignored the fact that his vote does not reflect anything he has said in the thread, and that sqrtofneg1 has done nothing to gain the amount of suspicion necessary for two people to vote for him. Hence, I suspect collusion and that QuickTwist and possibly kushmountain are scum, but in the end I am only certain that I don't think QuickTwist will actually benefit the town whether he is scum or not, so I voted for him.
You both have valid points. However, what is the motivation to kill me off if I am Town? This is a question that has been heavy on me heart for a little while now and I would really like to hear your rationale for why killing a Townie is ever a good idea.
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On June 04 2016 11:53 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2016 11:44 Tumblewood wrote:
also jealous what do you mean by collusion? I don't need a dictionary definition, but the word would imply that a townie is working to help the scum, which is surely not your intent. I may know what you mean as "buddying"-- do you mean that a scum is working to gain the trust of a townie by townreading him? My initial statement of collusion was to imply that it appeared like two scum are engaging in seemingly playful banter and thus eliminate the chance of either of them being called out for inactivity, while not-so-subtly hinting at each other being townies and thus not the scum that they very well may be. "Buddying" could be what QuickTwist was doing after this in regards to myself and other posters, by calling townies whom he well knows are townies but with no evidence in order to give them a window of acceptance that could potentially cause them to trust him and support him.
This claim is not based on evidence, but on conjecture.
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Also, this playful banter would serve to dilute their posting summaries, inflate the page and post count, and add space between incriminating posts. Certainly one way to approach the accountability issue in a medium such as an online forum.
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On June 04 2016 11:54 QuickTwist wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2016 11:48 Jealous wrote:On June 04 2016 11:41 Tumblewood wrote:On June 04 2016 11:36 Jealous wrote:On June 04 2016 11:27 Tumblewood wrote:
wait what
qt why did you vote ("vote") me in this thread and then vote sqrt in the voting thread? what do you mean by that? The only outside theory I have, if I may, is again collusion. He voted for one player. He then changes his vote to another player, while possibly trying to slip by the fact that he actually voted for yet another player, one that only has any votes from kushmountain, a player whose defense for the lack of activity and analysis in comparison to his previous posting style was simply "I was at work so I had more free time," which should be bullshit to begin with. As I see it, there are two interpretations here: 1. QuickTwist is a free radical, a wildcard, and for that reason he is dangerous to the town. He does not respond to questioning with any substance, makes unsubstantiated claims, and he intentionally misleads the other town members. Maybe he just doesn't care. Regardless of the underlying cause, he should be lynched because even a townie of his character is detrimental to the town simply because of the chaos he propagates. 2. QuickTwist is Mafia, and potentially so is kushmountain. Being new to TL Mafia, QuickTwist acted rashly and had to backtrack after some further coordination with the veteran player. This means he is scum, and is detrimental to the town, and should be lynched. I fail to see any other alternative. of course this is a crude summary, but the vibe I get from this post is, "QT acts irrationally, and therefore he is probably mafia," which is a poor basis for a scumread, because town players frequently act irrationally. QT has actually been the single most helpful person to town so far, regardless of alignment, because he has sparked quality discussion and remained active all game so far. Your summary of my summary is not accurate. A more accurate summary would be "QuickTwist acts irrationally, therefore is a detriment to the town, regardless of his actual affiliation." Activity is not a metric here, because the majority of his activity as far as I can tell has been vague, full of memes, and as I've said countless times, unsubstantiated. The few posts of his which do have some sort of value I think I could count on one hand. A scum player would follow this posting pattern - inconclusive, divisive, and substance-less posts that detract from any actual analysis. You've also ignored the fact that his vote does not reflect anything he has said in the thread, and that sqrtofneg1 has done nothing to gain the amount of suspicion necessary for two people to vote for him. Hence, I suspect collusion and that QuickTwist and possibly kushmountain are scum, but in the end I am only certain that I don't think QuickTwist will actually benefit the town whether he is scum or not, so I voted for him. You both have valid points. However, what is the motivation to kill me off if I am Town? This is a question that has been heavy on me heart for a little while now and I would really like to hear your rationale for why killing a Townie is ever a good idea.
A townie acting in a manner such as you have, which is: "inconclusive, divisive, and substance-less posts that detract from any actual analysis" and not answering direct questions which would be rather innocuous if you were not scum or answering in a misleading fashion means that through your play you have demonstrated that you would serve no value to the town whether you are scum or not. Even if you have a PR and it is valuable to the town, your posting game is detrimental to the point where I'd rather take the chance that you are in fact scum and that your role is not in fact in important. The chances of you being scum are higher than the chances of you being valuable, and the chances of you being valuable in text form, judging by the past 10 pages or so, are low as well. Therefore, you are the most valid candidate for lynching in my view and I have yet to see you say anything that would prove me wrong.
On June 04 2016 11:55 QuickTwist wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2016 11:53 Jealous wrote:On June 04 2016 11:44 Tumblewood wrote:
also jealous what do you mean by collusion? I don't need a dictionary definition, but the word would imply that a townie is working to help the scum, which is surely not your intent. I may know what you mean as "buddying"-- do you mean that a scum is working to gain the trust of a townie by townreading him? My initial statement of collusion was to imply that it appeared like two scum are engaging in seemingly playful banter and thus eliminate the chance of either of them being called out for inactivity, while not-so-subtly hinting at each other being townies and thus not the scum that they very well may be. "Buddying" could be what QuickTwist was doing after this in regards to myself and other posters, by calling townies whom he well knows are townies but with no evidence in order to give them a window of acceptance that could potentially cause them to trust him and support him. This claim is not based on evidence, but on conjecture.
This game has no clues so all claims are based on conjecture.
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On June 04 2016 11:55 Jealous wrote:
Also, this playful banter would serve to dilute their posting summaries, inflate the page and post count, and add space between incriminating posts. Certainly one way to approach the accountability issue in a medium such as an online forum.
I notice you are strong in claim that I make the best lynch today. But you fail to see that I have provided content to talk about (we are talking about it right now in fact).
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going to take a break until I inevitably get bored and come back
playing this game is just not fun for me right now because the only two active players are on (what I see as) the wrong track and set in it. feels like I'm talking to a brick wall.
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On June 04 2016 12:00 QuickTwist wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2016 11:55 Jealous wrote:
Also, this playful banter would serve to dilute their posting summaries, inflate the page and post count, and add space between incriminating posts. Certainly one way to approach the accountability issue in a medium such as an online forum. I notice you are strong in claim that I make the best lynch today. But you fail to see that I have provided content to talk about (we are talking about it right now in fact).
When the content you provide largely revolves around yourself, have you contributed to anything but the criticism of your actions and thus your own demise? Compare this to the content of my posts, which is questioning people about their actions and intentions. Providing content to talk about is useless if you are only generating hot air. Volume does not imply quality.
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On June 04 2016 12:01 Tumblewood wrote:
going to take a break until I inevitably get bored and come back
playing this game is just not fun for me right now because the only two active players are on (what I see as) the wrong track and set in it. feels like I'm talking to a brick wall.
I answered your questions and don't see any reason why my deductions are false, so I don't know why I should be judged for being "set in" my track or why anything you've said should derail me.
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On June 04 2016 12:00 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2016 11:54 QuickTwist wrote:On June 04 2016 11:48 Jealous wrote:On June 04 2016 11:41 Tumblewood wrote:On June 04 2016 11:36 Jealous wrote:On June 04 2016 11:27 Tumblewood wrote:
wait what
qt why did you vote ("vote") me in this thread and then vote sqrt in the voting thread? what do you mean by that? The only outside theory I have, if I may, is again collusion. He voted for one player. He then changes his vote to another player, while possibly trying to slip by the fact that he actually voted for yet another player, one that only has any votes from kushmountain, a player whose defense for the lack of activity and analysis in comparison to his previous posting style was simply "I was at work so I had more free time," which should be bullshit to begin with. As I see it, there are two interpretations here: 1. QuickTwist is a free radical, a wildcard, and for that reason he is dangerous to the town. He does not respond to questioning with any substance, makes unsubstantiated claims, and he intentionally misleads the other town members. Maybe he just doesn't care. Regardless of the underlying cause, he should be lynched because even a townie of his character is detrimental to the town simply because of the chaos he propagates. 2. QuickTwist is Mafia, and potentially so is kushmountain. Being new to TL Mafia, QuickTwist acted rashly and had to backtrack after some further coordination with the veteran player. This means he is scum, and is detrimental to the town, and should be lynched. I fail to see any other alternative. of course this is a crude summary, but the vibe I get from this post is, "QT acts irrationally, and therefore he is probably mafia," which is a poor basis for a scumread, because town players frequently act irrationally. QT has actually been the single most helpful person to town so far, regardless of alignment, because he has sparked quality discussion and remained active all game so far. Your summary of my summary is not accurate. A more accurate summary would be "QuickTwist acts irrationally, therefore is a detriment to the town, regardless of his actual affiliation." Activity is not a metric here, because the majority of his activity as far as I can tell has been vague, full of memes, and as I've said countless times, unsubstantiated. The few posts of his which do have some sort of value I think I could count on one hand. A scum player would follow this posting pattern - inconclusive, divisive, and substance-less posts that detract from any actual analysis. You've also ignored the fact that his vote does not reflect anything he has said in the thread, and that sqrtofneg1 has done nothing to gain the amount of suspicion necessary for two people to vote for him. Hence, I suspect collusion and that QuickTwist and possibly kushmountain are scum, but in the end I am only certain that I don't think QuickTwist will actually benefit the town whether he is scum or not, so I voted for him. You both have valid points. However, what is the motivation to kill me off if I am Town? This is a question that has been heavy on me heart for a little while now and I would really like to hear your rationale for why killing a Townie is ever a good idea. A townie acting in a manner such as you have, which is: "inconclusive, divisive, and substance-less posts that detract from any actual analysis" and not answering direct questions which would be rather innocuous if you were not scum or answering in a misleading fashion means that through your play you have demonstrated that you would serve no value to the town whether you are scum or not. Even if you have a PR and it is valuable to the town, your posting game is detrimental to the point where I'd rather take the chance that you are in fact scum and that your role is not in fact in important. The chances of you being scum are higher than the chances of you being valuable, and the chances of you being valuable in text form, judging by the past 10 pages or so, are low as well. Therefore, you are the most valid candidate for lynching in my view and I have yet to see you say anything that would prove me wrong.
you would have to provide evidence that the ratio of keeping me if I am town with my playstyle vs lynching me if I am town with my playstyle is +EV. If You can demonstrate concretely that lynching me because of my playstyle ie Policy Lynch is better for town that not then I might change my game plan up a little. You would further have to provide evidence that I will remain to have "inconclusive, divisive, and substance-less posts that detract from any actual analysis" throughout the entirety of the game and that I would not have the ability to be an asset to town.
On June 04 2016 12:00 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2016 11:55 QuickTwist wrote:On June 04 2016 11:53 Jealous wrote:On June 04 2016 11:44 Tumblewood wrote:
also jealous what do you mean by collusion? I don't need a dictionary definition, but the word would imply that a townie is working to help the scum, which is surely not your intent. I may know what you mean as "buddying"-- do you mean that a scum is working to gain the trust of a townie by townreading him? My initial statement of collusion was to imply that it appeared like two scum are engaging in seemingly playful banter and thus eliminate the chance of either of them being called out for inactivity, while not-so-subtly hinting at each other being townies and thus not the scum that they very well may be. "Buddying" could be what QuickTwist was doing after this in regards to myself and other posters, by calling townies whom he well knows are townies but with no evidence in order to give them a window of acceptance that could potentially cause them to trust him and support him. This claim is not based on evidence, but on conjecture. This game has no clues so all claims are based on conjecture.
If this game has no clues then we are basically just playing mental masterbation with ourselve in a very circle jerk type fashion.
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On June 04 2016 12:04 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2016 12:00 QuickTwist wrote:On June 04 2016 11:55 Jealous wrote:
Also, this playful banter would serve to dilute their posting summaries, inflate the page and post count, and add space between incriminating posts. Certainly one way to approach the accountability issue in a medium such as an online forum. I notice you are strong in claim that I make the best lynch today. But you fail to see that I have provided content to talk about (we are talking about it right now in fact). When the content you provide largely revolves around yourself, have you contributed to anything but the criticism of your actions and thus your own demise? Compare this to the content of my posts, which is questioning people about their actions and intentions. Providing content to talk about is useless if you are only generating hot air. Volume does not imply quality.
yes, and where has that gotten you exactly? Its gotten you to the place where you would rather lynch a known townie.
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