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On June 04 2016 20:03 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2016 19:05 beentheredonethat wrote:Hello guys, I caught up. There's a lot already to read into. Based on continuous activity, "careless/fearless" pushes and cool refinements of thoughts, I think Superbia is town and we should regard his thoughts a lot. Almost every single page we currently have contains a post of him, and while initial posts might be banter, I can say that from my experience that starting a game is always kind of rough to do. Also, I like QuickTwist, also for the great activity. The fact that he votes Tumblewood because he gives him a townread ("I shouldn't be getting this much town cred already should I?") makes me think he's town. However that brought me to filtering Tumblewood. The first two pages of his filter are useless. No pushes, no reads, nothing even remotely readable, which, for me, is mafia indicative. Well, page 3 is much better, and I like this line of thoughts: On June 04 2016 11:31 Tumblewood wrote:On June 04 2016 11:24 QuickTwist wrote:
OK, so here's why I think Jealous is Town.
He's smart. He knows being overly confident in his reads helps town. He has been pushing scummy behavior namely, me. He is paying really close attention to the game and what people say and jumping on anything the looks like it could get traction. He's pushing his agenda and trying to be very correct.
For that reason I think he would make a really bad lynch today. his scumreads are founded in a mountain of evidence, but that evidence does not make anyone scum. I don't see how you can refute his reads as misled but then call them good and townie all of a sudden. townread suspended So I'd also note Tumblewood as town. Besides the players that have not posted yet or do have a very low post activity, my strongest mafia read as of now is MoosyDoosy. His posts do not make sense, they feel rushed, "activity for the sake of activity" to appear townie, and they're partially total offtopic (see the post about CRISPR). Voting himself, while even against the rules afaik, and spitting out a big post: + Show Spoiler +On June 04 2016 08:16 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2016 05:19 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:I think this is going to be a really slow game unless the newbs talk a lot. None of the vets are big talkers. BOI I GOT THIS Show nested quote +On June 04 2016 05:19 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:3) MooooooosyDooooosy - if he looks scummy, he's town. if he looks townie, he's scum. lmaoo this is actually pretty tru  Show nested quote +On June 04 2016 06:44 QuickTwist wrote:
GLHF. I sincerely hope I get my ass handed to me. DarthPunk told me the competition here is good. If I am an above average players here, that is going to not reflect very well on this community. You have been warned. I am not very good at this game. that won't happen w/ this player list. The vets will be too busy squabbling over each other about how someone used emoticons or something while Mafia will get away. :D Basically: competition =/= good at game. It just means we shit on each other a lot more. Show nested quote +On June 04 2016 08:03 Superbia wrote:
First person to hard claim mafia gets a free d1 read&pass. I'd like to hard claim Mafia mmmmmmmmm Show nested quote +On June 04 2016 08:05 QuickTwist wrote:
Hi, I have a PR and I think I should be the first NK. veteran or mafia Show nested quote +On June 04 2016 08:07 QuickTwist wrote:
I;m getting a town read on Sup... for really no reason. veteran or mafia or mafia Show nested quote +On June 04 2016 08:10 QuickTwist wrote:
I will not be claiming mafia, sorry do much disappoint. veteran or mafia or mafia or mafia He is just confusing. There is no straight pattern, and I cannot see a goal that he tries to follow. All he does is stirring up chaos, then disappearing. I think he is scum. ##vote MoosyDoosy What if I were to tell you that moosy always plays like that as town?
hush child. xd
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Nice! :D I'm done catching up.
On June 04 2016 20:29 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:
No one is going to even find that post. It's a needle in a haystack.
For me it's irrelevant because we aren't lynching either of you today.
Can I convince you otherwise or are you looking at someone else right now?
And now that I've fulfilled my activity requirement with useless posts to try and make me look town I'm gonna take my leave. 
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Ok looks like I've only got about an hour this morning before I'm heading out for the day.
Gunna stuff my face and get some caffeine in my system then talk about some stuff.
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On June 05 2016 00:13 Tictock wrote:
Ok looks like I've only got about an hour this morning before I'm heading out for the day.
Gunna stuff my face and get some caffeine in my system then talk about some stuff.
Solid build order.
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I read Jesus and at as two townies refusing to back down. I don't see much more to it .
Skynx and tumblewood both seem convinced that there has to be mafia in those two. Although skynx is sure it's qt.
I'm not convinced by either of the arguments and the case on qt by skynx seems to paint every qt action as scummy which I don't think is the correct approach.
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Ok first thing I feel like talking about, reading based on activity.
Generally I find this to be an unreliable metric. There is some correlation, but it depends pretty heavily on the player in question. Scum can be tryhard and post a ton and town can loose interest or get busy and post very little.
My point?
Plynches based on activity tend to be coin flippy and giving someone a townread kus they are active and posting is weak at best.
It's generally better practice to try and look at the reasons and modivations behind when and why people are posting rather than try and use filter length as a metic. There are some exceptions such as scum-burn out, but even then activity alone is usually not your only indicator.
So the reads I've seen so far like "This dude made a hello post then left! Lynch the scum!" or "Well he's posting a lot so I think he's town" are pretty piss poor imo.
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On June 04 2016 23:38 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2016 12:01 Tumblewood wrote:
going to take a break until I inevitably get bored and come back
playing this game is just not fun for me right now because the only two active players are on (what I see as) the wrong track and set in it. feels like I'm talking to a brick wall. Talk to me buddy. Does Quicktwist and Jealous feel like two townies caught in an argument against each other and refusing to back down due to pride or is one of them Mafia? For some reason I keep getting hints of the second even though it really looks like the first.
QT v Jealous has obviously dominated the first few pages so far. I've been thinking similarly, but that there is a third option as well --- I'm not sure how likely that is though.
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Some townreads for now, then I'll be back after a shower to talk about scum reads.
Super - Jumped right in and has been really focused on interacting with people to develop reads. I've also found our thoughts on a large number of things have been in line. Probably never lynching.
Tumble - Dropping his thoughts when he feels like it, largely a meta read+ Show Spoiler +For you newbies, this means his playstyle is in line with what I've seen from him in previous games. Another hit and miss method of making reads
Moosy - I'm not sure how to explain this read, but I'm decently solid on it for D1.
blkcoffee - has the right combination of not really giving a fuck and getting excited about something
There's a couple more town leans floating around but I'm gunna leave my town list at that for now.
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I'm back early
On June 05 2016 00:34 blkcoffee wrote:
I read Jesus and at as two townies refusing to back down. I don't see much more to it .
Skynx and tumblewood both seem convinced that there has to be mafia in those two. Although skynx is sure it's qt.
I'm not convinced by either of the arguments and the case on qt by skynx seems to paint every qt action as scummy which I don't think is the correct approach.
If you read carefully, I've just called his posting pattern useless. He's not making any sensible pushes and his reads don't have any basis. Be he mafia or no, keeping him around does not benefit town.
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On June 05 2016 01:08 Skynx wrote:I'm back early Show nested quote +On June 05 2016 00:34 blkcoffee wrote:
I read Jesus and at as two townies refusing to back down. I don't see much more to it .
Skynx and tumblewood both seem convinced that there has to be mafia in those two. Although skynx is sure it's qt.
I'm not convinced by either of the arguments and the case on qt by skynx seems to paint every qt action as scummy which I don't think is the correct approach.
If you read carefully, I've just called his posting pattern useless. He's not making any sensible pushes and his reads don't have any basis. Be he mafia or no, keeping him around does not benefit town.
So what exactly is your read. If he flipped what would he be in your opinion?
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BTDT (that's what I'll be calling beentheredonethat for the rest of the game) is probably town because newbie scums tend to have a hard time making a coherent, decent case.
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Upon further review, QT v. Jealous might be a town v. town argument, but I'm hesitant because it's not quite a shitfight-- QT is townreading jealous while bickering with him, although I do get the sense that jealous believes and cares about what he says.
BTW, those arguments on the basis of "tryhard" are because tryhard has an inherent component of insecurity, which is a big scumtell in newbies.
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On June 05 2016 01:18 blkcoffee wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2016 01:08 Skynx wrote:I'm back early On June 05 2016 00:34 blkcoffee wrote:
I read Jesus and at as two townies refusing to back down. I don't see much more to it .
Skynx and tumblewood both seem convinced that there has to be mafia in those two. Although skynx is sure it's qt.
I'm not convinced by either of the arguments and the case on qt by skynx seems to paint every qt action as scummy which I don't think is the correct approach.
If you read carefully, I've just called his posting pattern useless. He's not making any sensible pushes and his reads don't have any basis. Be he mafia or no, keeping him around does not benefit town. So what exactly is your read. If he flipped what would he be in your opinion?
Depends on what happens next 24h before lynch. If he flips scum we can make cases on other peoples reaction on him. If he flips town what a shame we will have less spam for rest of the game.
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Definitely want to go for a plynch today because I feel the active newbies will both make their alignments obvious and be useful to town as the game progresses. Also, I fear a situation where we have to guess on inactives in LyLo. + Show Spoiler +Lynch or Lose-- like a 2v1 or 3v2 scenario
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Ok I piddled around too long and am not going to be able to elaborate as much as I wanted to about my scum reads, but here is the short and sweet version.
QT - There is just too many inconsistencies in his play for me to overlook. He pushed Super early for "trying to look town" + Show Spoiler +which is a terrible reason to scumread anyone, especially when that doesn't reall describe Super's play at all imo not openly giving my reads Sorry no time for examples
Emperorchampion - I liked his open, but the rest of his posts fall flat and he quickly dropped the attitude he started with. The way he spent a lot of effort filterdiving QT + Show Spoiler +filters so early in the game?
Thats it for now, I may get a chance to post later tonight, but likely won't be around till tomorrow.
##Vote: QuickTwist
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I took a look through Tumblewood's filter, since he seems like the only one posting anything of note aside from QT-pie and Jealsus (which is a cesspool I don't want to wade through).
+ Show Spoiler +On June 04 2016 09:39 Tumblewood wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2016 09:33 Jealous wrote:On June 04 2016 09:31 QuickTwist wrote:On June 04 2016 09:29 Jealous wrote:On June 04 2016 09:22 QuickTwist wrote:On June 04 2016 09:14 blkcoffee wrote:On June 04 2016 08:59 Jealous wrote:On June 04 2016 08:53 blkcoffee wrote:If it's alright with you I'm not going to read any of those games. I'm curious what you think of quick town reading you so early and his subsequent town reads. For quicktwist. Can you explain how you came to a serious vote on super. What changed? That's fine, they are there for anyone who is curious, and were presented solely as some substantive evidence against Tumblewood's flimsy read. What I think of Quick town-reading me so early is that he is that he is potentially trying to make allies among people he would know are confirmed townie, because he is mafia. Or, in retrospect, as my first post in response to him and Superbia was more or less stating that I found their behavior suspicious, he aims to pass that suspicion onto me by making it seem like I am in cohorts with them, or something. The fact that he is a newcomer to TL Mafia may have something to do with the fact that he is playing, in my opinion, fast and dangerous. This seems rather too in-depth this early on. I think if quicktwist gave an explanation For the town read we could analyse it and see how it holds up. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/8R2mw6O.jpg) Another dodgy response here. Leaning scum intensifies. you're going to have to explain how that makes me scum without saying the word "vibes". Instead of substantiating your claims you post image macros that effectively close the topic for further analysis and discussion, something that would be key for scum to do in order to protect themselves from further inspection. the folly in this is that no one "protects themselves from further inspection" by posting images instead of responses, nor is that "key for scum to do". qt should not be afraid of the pressure you are putting on him because it is weak pressure (in the sense that it is convincing no one else) and it does not help him avoid inspection. Here it looks like tumble is putting pressure on Jealous. This is based off of defense for QT, since he gave strong townread to QT earlier here: On June 04 2016 09:20 Tumblewood wrote:
shitty early d1 reads that I shouldn't be making
town: superbia, qt
town lean: emperor
null: moosy
scum lean: jealous
scum: [pending further posts] To which is commented: On June 04 2016 09:21 Tumblewood wrote:
if asked to defend any of my reads right now I will only respond by saying "feels" So now that we've framed the context of the first post, I think that there are two ways of interpreting it: 1) He is protecting QT-pie 2) He's calling a bad play a bad play From the previous context, I would think former, but reading the following posts I think the ladder: On June 04 2016 10:47 Tumblewood wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2016 10:29 QuickTwist wrote:On June 04 2016 09:02 blkcoffee wrote:On June 04 2016 08:59 QuickTwist wrote:On June 04 2016 08:53 blkcoffee wrote:If it's alright with you I'm not going to read any of those games. I'm curious what you think of quick town reading you so early and his subsequent town reads. For quicktwist. Can you explain how you came to a serious vote on super. What changed? I explained this partially but I will explain to those who may not understand the intricacies of this. Sup is trying to look like he is town. So either he is playing some really fantastic head games with people and he wants people to vote him to see who picks up on his scummy behavior and votes Obvscum OR he is just really bad Scum who is trying to look like they are scum hunting in the most obvious straightforward way possible. I don't think he is so dumb that he could legit be Town trying to scum hunt, but at this point I can't rule that out I guess. Do you think that town should try to look townie and eliminate themselves from the lynch pool. No. what but why it's in town's best interest to look townie (except to dodge nightkills) so town doesn't waste a lynch on them On June 04 2016 11:31 Tumblewood wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2016 11:24 QuickTwist wrote:
OK, so here's why I think Jealous is Town.
He's smart. He knows being overly confident in his reads helps town. He has been pushing scummy behavior namely, me. He is paying really close attention to the game and what people say and jumping on anything the looks like it could get traction. He's pushing his agenda and trying to be very correct.
For that reason I think he would make a really bad lynch today. his scumreads are founded in a mountain of evidence, but that evidence does not make anyone scum. I don't see how you can refute his reads as misled but then call them good and townie all of a sudden. townread suspended On June 04 2016 16:18 Tumblewood wrote:
ok yeah as I see it one of QT and Jealous has to be scum. they're both acting independently scummy (eager to read anything as scummy, tryhard tone, making mountains of molehills). I don't believe that they could both be town, although if they were I will mock D1 relentlessly in postgame. I also believe that they could not keep up this stupid bickering for so long as partners. I'm leaning toward QT at this point for refuting everything Jealous says and then townreading him for it (pretty shallow townread IMO, there's more to the game than just how much you write that's semi-productive). Jealous maybe, but I think my dislike of his tone biases my judgment. 6/10 would lynch QT D1 and if he flips town lynch Jealous D2
or we could plynch sqrt and let their alignments become more apparent over time.
In my mind, it seems that there is some sort of triangle between QT-pie, tumble and Jealsus. At first I was thinking that QT/tumble could be a pair, but "6/10" lynch is pretty strong against that, although maybe tumble doesn't think the QT vote will go through so he doesn't have to push it?
Jealsus/QT-pie: there are 3 options: 1) both town, 2) town and maf 3) both maf. I think that 3) is pretty unlikely, seems like such a ballsy play to carry out those shenanigans. I think that 2) is more likely than 1).
Jealsus/tumble: I think it's fairly well summarized from the post above: "ok yeah as I see it one of QT and Jealous has to be scum. they're both acting independently scummy (eager to read anything as scummy, tryhard tone, making mountains of molehills". Also: "Jealous maybe, but I think my dislike of his tone biases my judgment"
So from this, I find that Jealous is a common thread in all of this, so I would be interested in hearing why he isn't maf, or what he is trying to accomplish aside from generating pages of noise against QT-pie. My towny read on QT still stands, and I think that tumble has shown some decent thought, so I think that I'm leaning town on him as well. Therefore, my maf read sits with Jealous since I want to see how these 3 players unravel.
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On June 05 2016 01:33 Tictock wrote:Ok I piddled around too long and am not going to be able to elaborate as much as I wanted to about my scum reads, but here is the short and sweet version. QT - There is just too many inconsistencies in his play for me to overlook. He pushed Super early for "trying to look town" + Show Spoiler +which is a terrible reason to scumread anyone, especially when that doesn't reall describe Super's play at all imo and then scum reads me for basically doing the opposite + Show Spoiler +not openly giving my reads . His posts in general feel pretty disjointed and his thoughts sometimes backtrack or dissapear for no reason + Show Spoiler +Sorry no time for examples . Combined with some of the points other people have made about his flippant and largely unfounded reads and dismissve approach to questions... yea this guy is top of my lynch list. Emperorchampion - I liked his open, but the rest of his posts fall flat and he quickly dropped the attitude he started with. The way he spent a lot of effort filterdiving QT + Show Spoiler +filters so early in the game? to come up with a townread on him, then made a townread on Tumble with much less effort and used Tumble's thoughts to conclude that Jealous is scum is really off. Thats it for now, I may get a chance to post later tonight, but likely won't be around till tomorrow.
##Vote: QuickTwist
Filter diving, I like the term 
To be honest, with regards to filter diving, I'm just not really sure the best way to play the game, so I'm trying things to see what works out.
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On June 05 2016 01:29 Skynx wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2016 01:18 blkcoffee wrote:On June 05 2016 01:08 Skynx wrote:I'm back early On June 05 2016 00:34 blkcoffee wrote:
I read Jesus and at as two townies refusing to back down. I don't see much more to it .
Skynx and tumblewood both seem convinced that there has to be mafia in those two. Although skynx is sure it's qt.
I'm not convinced by either of the arguments and the case on qt by skynx seems to paint every qt action as scummy which I don't think is the correct approach.
If you read carefully, I've just called his posting pattern useless. He's not making any sensible pushes and his reads don't have any basis. Be he mafia or no, keeping him around does not benefit town. So what exactly is your read. If he flipped what would he be in your opinion? Depends on what happens next 24h before lynch. If he flips scum we can make cases on other peoples reaction on him. If he flips town what a shame we will have less spam for rest of the game.
Sorry I wasn't clear. Right now what is your read on qt? I'm not really too bothered on your read of him after he flips.
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On June 05 2016 01:41 emperorchampion wrote:
So from this, I find that Jealous is a common thread in all of this, so I would be interested in hearing why he isn't maf, or what he is trying to accomplish aside from generating pages of noise against QT-pie. My towny read on QT still stands, and I think that tumble has shown some decent thought, so I think that I'm leaning town on him as well. Therefore, my maf read sits with Jealous since I want to see how these 3 players unravel.
I was trying to pressure QuickTwist since he seemed the most suspect to me and also the least useful. I got what I wanted in that venture.
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On June 05 2016 01:45 emperorchampion wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2016 01:33 Tictock wrote:Ok I piddled around too long and am not going to be able to elaborate as much as I wanted to about my scum reads, but here is the short and sweet version. QT - There is just too many inconsistencies in his play for me to overlook. He pushed Super early for "trying to look town" + Show Spoiler +which is a terrible reason to scumread anyone, especially when that doesn't reall describe Super's play at all imo and then scum reads me for basically doing the opposite + Show Spoiler +not openly giving my reads . His posts in general feel pretty disjointed and his thoughts sometimes backtrack or dissapear for no reason + Show Spoiler +Sorry no time for examples . Combined with some of the points other people have made about his flippant and largely unfounded reads and dismissve approach to questions... yea this guy is top of my lynch list. Emperorchampion - I liked his open, but the rest of his posts fall flat and he quickly dropped the attitude he started with. The way he spent a lot of effort filterdiving QT + Show Spoiler +filters so early in the game? to come up with a townread on him, then made a townread on Tumble with much less effort and used Tumble's thoughts to conclude that Jealous is scum is really off. Thats it for now, I may get a chance to post later tonight, but likely won't be around till tomorrow.
##Vote: QuickTwist Filter diving, I like the term To be honest, with regards to filter diving, I'm just not really sure the best way to play the game, so I'm trying things to see what works out.
I'm enjoying your posts
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