[M][Cap] Tortoise Mafia

On April 20 2016 08:17 sicklucker wrote:
I will not be numbering my posts I like to live on the edge.

dandred for blatantly wasting posts

On April 20 2016 08:41 Damdred wrote:
It's not easy ring posts if I am putting reads into the game or was entering the game.

While it's true that scum like wasting posts so they do not have to post later in the phase I am probably doing half in the first then do 10 and saving 15 near eod. A post restrictive game doesn't have to be a dead game.

SL is obviously null

Town on gumshoe and on dyh (tentative on both for halfway meh reasons)

LS is sort of in the bottom half of null bordering on a scum lean. He entered the game bringing nothing new but rehashed something someone else said and making it look worse than it was. He could be scum.

On April 20 2016 09:32 Tictock wrote:
Oh cool, this started already.

I'll check in later when there is stuff to read.

On April 20 2016 10:37 sicklucker wrote:


ok I change my mind that is a complete wasted post and half policy ##vote lightnightstrike

On April 20 2016 18:22 Tictock wrote:
I guess I should have expected a slow start in a post restrictive game.

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This feels kinda nitpicky and more a narrative you are projecting on what Gum did than what actually happened

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LS is a bit interesting, he's half joking but a bit too serious for the start of the game imo.



He goes into defensive mode here pretty quick, and his stance on Gum does a 180 here. (He said his vote was weird before, but here he says scum!Gum prob wouldn't vote anyone this early) Though tbf Gum did make a WoT post between then, still kinda a sudden flop.

LS also way overuses that pic of the guy smoking a blunt in tinfoil, which I only mention kus it kinda bugs me... even if it's a good tinfoil pic.

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Koshi and SL are both underwhelming to me atm, but meh.

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Shape has me slightly worried due to the way he's setting up a posting style for himself. Prob not a good way to explain it.

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I like Gum for the amount of content he's putting out and for having similar thoughts to my own.

That's about all I got for the moment. Well at least all I feel like sharing atm.

On April 20 2016 21:56 Half the Sky wrote:
2/40

My concern with Tumbleweed lies in 101 and 110. The gist of it is that he is posting for the sake of posting and the questions are very open-ended with the argument that the information he's getting from it will not be helpful with determining alignments.

101

The comment on Shapelog is clearly answered if he'd read the thread - Shapelog by his own admission said his first five posts - of which one was quoted - was fluff. So he's asking a question already answered. It's possible town can neglect to read carefully but lets proceed to the next point.

The comment on Lightning Strike was bad (and this is part of why I this LS could be mafia) - it is townreading LS for a poor reason. LS in the quoted statement says Tictock "blatantly" doesn't want to stir up discussion - Tictock may not want to post if he has nothing to contribute ESPECIALLY in a post-restricted game. So for him to take an NAI point and paint it as mafia indicative is poor, and by extension the townread is poor.

110

Same concern as in 101, non sequitur means illogical (more or less) so placing that expectation within the first few posts of the game is just meh. It seems forced.

Moving on to LS, which is easily explained.

Post 96 is a poor reason (or at least a weak reason) to townread Gumshoe, or at least the reason he gave. As stated before my bigger concern is with post 101 though, trying to make something that is alignment indicative which isn't necessarily so.

On April 20 2016 23:53 LightningStrike wrote:
This probably HTS irl if she's scum which I think she is:

On April 20 2016 22:41 Shapelog wrote:

Yeah, I noticed the fact he was small twisting things as I am reading. The question thing I feel like could come from either alignment (even with the info in the thread) from tumble, as his style is to open up with some...questionable questions lol.

Usually, he becomes easier for me to read later into the game, as his motives are clearer and such, and his thought process becomes easier for me to see.

He did come back though. Which is good.
As someone who just rolled scum with TT, this is very different. In storm (Team rebels 4 life) TT has/had been suffering from rolling scum a lot, which reflected in his play. He was moot. In fact, he posted something simlar as a opening here, and never follow threw. Even in Devil, he wasn't this quick with reads or anything (IIRC). Most of the first 24 hours were him joking. with me in particular.

I still going through his read list to see if anything stands out.

On April 21 2016 00:09 Half the Sky wrote:
4/40

LS, I drink wine as town and whisky as mafia. Fidei was the one who drinks Sauvignon Blanc after mislynches. Get it right please.

On a serious note, though, I'm still concerned you think (confirm/deny????) Tictock could be mafia? Clarify that please? You haven't said jack all on that after it was pointed out.

I can buy the point on SL, but Fecalfeast is lazy and has been so as both alignments. I was mafia in Dark Tournament with him - the game which you reference - so I know for a fact his laziness wasn't what made him mafia, it was the manner in which he bussed me after I was (effectively) redchecked. (Mage being the free DT check in that case.) That drew Shining's attention after I flipped not because he was a low-volume poster. As stated, there is still likely Fecalfeast could be mafia but this isn't the reason why. I am going to use other criteria to evaluate him. (NB: Everyone else, I bring this up since LS relies heavily on meta to read people.)

Irregardless, I'm not picking at you because you're an "easy" target - there are IMO a number of contentious statements/arguments in your posts that I'm trying to pick out just like I did in SOTW 2. Also I'm confused at best by you referencing the games on yourself - by your own admission you changed your meta very recently, so I'm just trying to take your posts in this game, in isolation and work from there.

On April 21 2016 04:43 Fecalfeast wrote:
I'm going to try not to omgus because I always omgus. I think your reason for voting me is silly and contradicts your first post; I am able to prove myself towny later in the game.


I think LS is scum. He asks a joke questions right off the bat but then tries to defend it as 'trying to stir up discussion' when he gets called out for it in sicklucker's fake vote post.



The fact that LS called someone out for not trying to stir up discussion after making a joke post himself is one thing, but to defend the joke post in the same way you condemned the other post? What kind of useful discussion would his 'earth is flat' question have brought to the game? If anything it wasted a post making sicklucker respond to it. LS is trying to seem like he's contributing.
+ Show Spoiler [also] +

I think HTS' reaction to koshi's scumread was a little odd (going from "FF could be mafia" to "I think you're wrong on FF") but I think I understand her reasoning now.

other than that I haven't been reading too closely tbh


6?

On April 21 2016 06:15 Fidei86 wrote:

[5/40]
HTS, when was the last time you played with LS? Because the concerning thing for me in this game is that he is actually giving reads with some explanation. In the last two games I played with him as town, that NEVER happened.

On April 21 2016 05:55 Tictock wrote:


I kind-of agree with it in the sense that his point tracks, but a weak open doesn't necessarily make you mafia.

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I'm not sure I'll have much time tonight for this so I think I'm going to place my vote on Tumble for now.

His opening consisted of quoting and responding to 3 posts, but really had no content to it. Just feels like a "look at me talking about stuff" kinda post.
+ Show Spoiler +

His push on shape about plynches doesn't really make much sense. I just don't get why Shape saying he dislikes policy lynches is so important to Tumble, feels more like he is making something out of nothing.
+ Show Spoiler +

He says:
With pretty weak reasoning for the LS townread...

His scumreads are weak.
+ Show Spoiler +

It also doesn't seem like he's reading that game too closely. His read on me is based on my first post but doesn't seem to have noticed I've made more posts than that.

Also this series of posts doesn't seem like he's reading very closly/not paying attn.




##Vote: Tumblewood

On April 21 2016 05:05 Tictock wrote:


I didn't ask for your reads just what your thoughts were. In fact if you notice in last big post I didn't call anyone town or scum (thought you might imply that based off what I said).

So "idk maybe town" isn't really what I was hoping for.

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Mixed feelings about Koshi's push on FF, on the one hand I like the pressure but I'm not seeing anything particularly scummy about FF.

In fact if I had to point to anything that might make me lean scum on FF it would be his lazy townread on me, but Koshi kinda did that too. + Show Spoiler +

I guess I agree with HtS about FF too, I've seen him lazy as town and scum. Tbh I'm not sure he's really done anything alignment indicative yet, partially why I asked him about Damdred (figuered he plays with Damdred a lot so might have some thoughts).

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@LS what made you have this expectation of me?



Also why did you bring up your last scum game when you are saying HtS is going after you for being an easy target?



IIRC you played fairly well in that game and have been working to improve your play in general. So that kinda works against you being an "easy target".

Just feels like OMGUS to me, and kinda weak omgus at that. Part of that is that you spent 4 posts on this point, but didn't really say anything in any of them.

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I made a post saying I'd be around later, idk how you interpenetrate that as saying I won't be contributing. Sure if I never followed that up then this is a point, but you seem to be ignoring the fact that I did follow up...

So why are you (or were you in this post) thinking that I or HtS are mafia?

You actually said this:


Which besides being kinda funny (you are only thinking that you are town) it's odd that you put LS on the same level of townyness as yourself. Was there more to this read or is it just because you like his comment about my open?

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Getting towny vibes from Koshi now, #148 and #149 in particular feels like a townie pushing his thoughts.

Also kinda like the latest couple of posts from FF and I kinda agree with his point about Fidei's opening.

On April 21 2016 06:54 Fidei86 wrote:
[7/40]

So I read the entire thread and genuinely, almost nothing stuck out to me (other than the things I commented on as I was going through.) Yes, I know, that's super unhelpful and super scummy. I might take a quick break and then re-read it.

Since Koshi asked, I thought I'd take a look at gumshoe's filter to try and get myself going. The whole vote-retract on Damdred was bizarre. Damdred's posts were obviously not meant to be taken seriously. Damdred and HTS know each other, and they shit talk each other early on. But to make a case and then retract it when it receives the most cursory of push-back FROM DAMDRED suggests he just didn't believe it at all. His point on HTS was basically "she writes clearly" -- she always does that. His point on LS was confusing (scum don't try and get better in their games?). And his last two posts actually say nothing of substance, and seem to be written only with a view towards revving up Koshi.

I could vote gumshoe at this stage. I'm getting the scum-feels from TT as well. And I am very suspicious of LS for actually playing the game (I've played with this man as town a number of times, and I've seen more thought put into his last few posts than I've seen pretty much before that point).

I don't want to vote HTS this early. My reasoning is that (1) she's a good town player, I'd much rather D1 someone who isn't trying to contribute (2) she's always dispassionate (3) as scum she tends to ask more pointless questions and diverge from the sentiment of the thread. Here, she is making reasonable points that were on point as well.

On April 21 2016 07:05 Half the Sky wrote:
10/40

LS, regarding your followthrough with Tictock (post 137, first quote) because your filter isn't very clear, where do you (LS) stand on him now and why? You have through posts 177 and 182 responding to him, but you haven't actually said anything regarding his alignment since you scumread him for his opening salve.

On April 21 2016 07:15 Koshi wrote:
##unvote
##vote LightningStrike

I think that post by Fidei was really good. It kinda instant townread him for that.

The bolded + the follow up on HTS is incredible good play.

Therefore I am extremely disappointed that you did nothing but attack Fidei.


I haven't been scumreading FF for a while now. And this is a brilliant remark on what you did there LS.


So even though I just quoted 3 post which I liked from you LS. When I pressed enter I instantly wondered. Short and to the point scumreads are not how I remember you. So I wonder: Is this LS with TMI making reads?


And then the comeback on this post:




irks me the wrong way. And I think you know you made a hasty post and are trying to shift attention away from you by making this post:

On April 21 2016 07:21 Koshi wrote:
It irks me the wrong way because you did not comment on the post from HTS that I found extremely townie. And even though you know I really liked that post and am willing to townread her.

You still scumread her without hesitation and use my name to legitimize your scumread on HTS. Which is really odd to do.

On April 16 2016 08:22 LightningStrike wrote:
Well gg idk if I would of caught DYH. I should of trusted my RB read more before the lex lynch :/

On April 21 2016 07:37 Half the Sky wrote:
11/40



There's effort and quality of effort. I'll bring up LX since you are, and you should remember it well as I got you mislynched. That game, I had an agenda, I was squarely on you and Binks, the mislynches we needed to win the game. I ignored my scumbuddies, especially my roleblocker. Here, I'm not leaving any stone unturned, and I believe this is why Koshi saw townieness in that post (presumably) at least bringing attention to those under the radar.

Here's another question for you LS - let's say I lose the plot tonight and get modkilled. I will flip town.
Whom would you vote for then? I asked you about your only other scumread Tictock, and now you are townreading him (190).

So I flip town, where do you go from here?

(Damdred, same question for you since I'm your most likely vote, please.)

On January 06 2015 00:48 Half the Sky wrote:
Thought I said it in the post before my reads...Celestial is reading town to me although based on meta, I feel he is off target on Rasputin.

On April 21 2016 07:42 Koshi wrote:

The bolded comes over like a story you just made up to narrate my suspicion on you. I can understand why you meta wise still scumread HTS after she made that post, but I don't understand why you don't tell me that HTS could still be mafia after I made it clear I townread her for it.

And the fact you made the post about HTS being mafia was triggered by FF saying you discredit a lot of people and are not looking for mafia. And you scumreading HTS still doesn't explain why you used my name to legitimize your scumread on HTS. It also feel like you kinda spewed both Damdred and Koshi town by saying. "I had the same read as Koshi and Damdred, so fuck off" Which is not exactly what you said but it felt like that.


I am also somewhat puzzled by the fact you are not trying to save your posts. You are just blatantly spamming and I don't think that is very townie of you. You must understand that your posts become more valuable the closer to the deadline.



Anyway LS, I will probably follow Damdred his read on you. Please try to keep good track of your posts and don't let me baffle you too much.

Also, if you really believe HTS is mafia. Make sure you have good long and solid posts left near deadline on why she is mafia. Because we will need solid posts to lynch her.

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I just read HTS her posts and she brings up a really good point that I also wanted to bring up but didn't. You close your eyes to the quality of that post.

On January 05 2015 22:14 Half the Sky wrote:
JarJarBinks, you had said on the previous page that you "would read and stuff". You post again now, saying "reading is hard."

I'll be honest, even if you were sarcastic there, you don't look good to me right now either because you don't give me the impression you want to scumhunt. Even with your computer broken, as you say, you still put in a few sentences on how you feel.

Your response to ExO indicates you are otherwise caught up on the thread, so aside from your question to him, why not a few lines on what you think of the 2 1/2 pages since beginning?

That shouldn't be too difficult from mobile.

On January 06 2015 10:34 Half the Sky wrote:


JJB was another one now, based on his lack of interest in scumhunting, even though he had appeared to read the thread on mobile. My sentiment ironically is only further supported by his latest post.

Tubesock was one individual that I want to see step it up, because based on the Carol mafia game, I am aware of what he's capable of. I do not like how he used the D1 excuse, however, at the time he originally said that it was still fairly early in D1, I did not scumread him at that time because it was early. Now we are about halfway through D1 and there's a load of content to answer to and for.

Regarding the recent read on LS, I see where ExO is coming from with all the town reads, though I am not sure I agree with some aspects of his argument. For example, I'm not sure I entirely agree with LS not scum hunting, since he is asking questions (some of which are going unanswered). However, in his thoughts on Shining I am trying to follow the logic on his read:



To this:



And then after Shining posts on his return, LS posts this:



To me, the progression in LS's reads isn't entirely clear. He has a lot of town reads, yes, but even more important, how he gets to them, especially when others may have contrasting views, is what needs some explanation.

On April 21 2016 13:40 DoYouHas wrote:
I can see the scumminess in his reaction to HtS and in his opening. However,

@LS - What is your read on TT? You went out of your way to defend TW after TT's voting post. Do you have a better reason to scum HtS other than she is pushing you and is capable of a high-effort scum game?

On April 20 2016 23:49 LightningStrike wrote:
I also starting to think HTS is scum because she picking a easy target history wise in me and she just saw me play in cell as scum so if she is mafia she got a perfect opportunity to do it here.

On April 20 2016 23:52 LightningStrike wrote:
I voting HTS for now as she is likely mafia looking for a easy target even considering our history together she knows I normally am lynchbait as town.

On April 21 2016 22:28 Fidei86 wrote:
[8/40]

Sorry for my inactivity guys. RL excuses. I have some time now for a little while, but chances are I won't be around at EOD / or at least I'll get home just around then.

@LS are you really saying that the only reason you're scum reading HTS is because she's pushing you and because you consider yourself an easy target? What about the other people who are pushing you (Koshi, for example)?

On April 21 2016 22:48 Fidei86 wrote:


[11/40]

Buddy, I'm starting to think that the universe is playing a cruel joke on me. Every game we play together we're both town (pretty much). Every game I am utterly convinced that you are scum, and you never are.

But this is so bad. I have argued in previous games that people were pushing you questionably because you are an easy lynch. But in this game you've actually made points and arguments and generally playing a lot better than you have before. Nobody else (other than me) has accused you of being an easy lynch. And HTS' read on FF? Yeah, Koshi's point was fine. HTS elaborated a lot on a null read. But lots of people don't have reads on lots of people. Fuck, I barely have reads on anyone (and I'm town), but you haven't called me out on it.

Are you saying there's an association between FF and HTS?

The thing is, I don't think you're dumb enough as mafia to get into a shitfight with HTS this early on. You *know* she's probably a top 5 player on the site, and she always catches you. Unless you're being smart and trying to throw her radar off by going on the offensive.

Ugh.

Can people start saying who they plan to vote for? Right now I could lynch SL (inactivity), gumshoe or GB. I don't have the town feels about anyone in particular, but I can't see myself voting for either Koshi or HTS, if only because they've been active and coherent, and voting particularly active people off when my reads are as weak as they are seems dumb.

On April 21 2016 23:17 Half the Sky wrote:
16/40

(Note to everyone: I am going to be consolidating posts like crazy, because quite frankly I have a lot to say.)

LightningStrike



And you refuse to answer the question again. If the Duel mechanic were available I'd 100% have done it. But since it's not I'll ask the question YET AGAIN.

Assume Artanis and/or Hapahauli modkill me. I will flip town. There are three mafia in this game.
Even if I'm mafia in your eyes there have to be two more mafia and your hesitance to name them is quite troubling. You were given multiple chances to answer this question and I'm not terribly impressed by using the post count excuse to defer on the question especially when Artanis has given a posting bonus in the ultimate hour of the cycle.

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Fidei



I called this into question last night. I wanted him to explain that as well.

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Koshi - read Shapelog's filter and tell me that DYH's conclusion on him isn't reasonable. He has ZERO concrete reads. Talking about himself doesn't make him scum but the argument that Shape isn't doing or saying anything alignment related with his posts is pretty spot on. I was hoping I'd have seen some clarification after I AFKed but not much in the way of that either.

The caveat on Damdred is reasonable.

My only concern with DYH is he's not commented on some of the others - at the very least I figured he could have weighed in on LS. There are a couple of other reasons why I think DYH could have posted the way he did but I want to see a bit more out of him.

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Tumbleweed

I noticed you are townreading Tictock for more or less effort. However, Tictock has put effort into his games as scum. Reference Holy Guardians Chapter 1 - he carried the scum team there, and The Nutcracker game - he was putting in quite a bit of effort until the DT redchecked him in mylo.

On April 22 2016 01:18 Half the Sky wrote:
17/40



Just south of 6h15. 2330 BST, you're what, 2-3 hours behind?

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Tictock any thoughts on Damdred?

Also re: your point on Tumbleweed, I would make the argument newer players really shouldn't be metaing people after a paltry 2 games played but I digress. This was Tumbleweed's post among a few defending LS:



....which by my interpretation seems to incorporate some meta into it.

LS looks worse with every post IMO - and in response to his point about LS defending him - scum are very perfectly capable of defending townies when it suits their agenda.

I'm still looking at others in the event we need to consolidate - the votes are a shambles right now with 6h15 to go - but LS is my top lynch pick. By far.

Fidei had the issue with you possibly taking the Tumbleweed posts out of context. The posts you quoted earlier I didn't think were problematic.

I think we should policy lynch hts for two reasons.

We have a pretty good chance to hit scum and she is probably drinking whiskey which is her scum drink of choice.

Fight against the powers and game mod tyranny of hts by striking her down here

Listen guys I just want to make Teamliquid great again.

A vote for hts is a vote for freedom.

I want to build a wall between this town and scum. So let's go.

the reason I want to go is because I think playing with different players elsewhere will get me out of this laxy funk I am in to some degree.

It would force me to play against players who don't know my meta and where I can't skate by on reputation.

shrug its a bit just for me instead of the community and I won't stand in the way of koshi either and I'll try to just work through some of the things I've talked through with some people.

On April 20 2016 08:46 gumshoe wrote:


admittedly it's not a very good case on you / : I'm just gonna assume I was flat out wrong,

##unvote


this is about the opportunism I was expecting / : but it's not very strong and it doesn't feel like hes baiting someone else in to come after me, just posting his feels.

slight townie read

(5)

On April 20 2016 09:16 gumshoe wrote:


-_- bitch, you know how I am

speaking of overanalysis



I dont like how shape tries to bunch me and him together in turns of our posts. Likes hes defending himself through defending me, proxy wars op

slight scum lean.

On April 20 2016 14:38 Tumblewood wrote:
Shape, why did you use Damdred's obvious joke as an opportunity to discuss plynches? I know that he mentioned them, but your post was a non sequitur still. Please explain.

On April 22 2016 04:33 LightningStrike wrote:
I here just got done with classes for the day:

I looking worse and worse to you because I pushing for your lynch so obviously you want to put more suspicion on me over you Half the Scum. Like you will end up like this white guy in this:


Look at the stuff later on why I thought gumshoe is town after a while >.<

On April 22 2016 05:48 Damdred wrote:
Also the vote count looks exceptionally nasty.

I don't think ls or hts should,be up for lynch today. Especially ls hrs been one towny mother fuckers this game.

Koshis is never scum here I think so SL is voting someone who he thinks is probably town but doesn't care another scum point.

Tt and did really aren't pushing as hard as I thought.

Any way I think we need to get this down a bit more to a couple wagons to,get real,information instead of so spread out doing whatever we want.

And no ls no lynching hts today maybe tommorow, hoe she's randomly dropping names to see if people think they ate scum bothers me.

Anyway.

On April 22 2016 07:07 Damdred wrote:
I want to lynch ff now.

Sadly or even hts. The way they are both acting is strange to say the least.

SL is just a crap shoot tbh with bad reasons.

On April 22 2016 10:44 Half the Sky wrote:
27/40

Blargh never mind. I thought I saw an issue with Tictock, but after re-reading he concludes town on Koshi. He'd called his LS read bull prior to Koshi changing his stance on LS but his final read was town based on other criteria. Meh.

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Reconstructing the votes against sicklucker and FF in the voting thread, I have 4 on him, 3 on FF before gumshoe switched effectively hammering FF.

The two solo votes that emerged in the thick of the two wagons forming were DYH on Shapelog and gumshoe on Tictock (prior to the switch on FF). I know that there was a back and forth between gumshoe and Tictock that I'll look into later...

But this DYH push on Shape and wagon evaluation would appear to come from a townie mindset.





I have to re-evaluate everyone - when I see most of the reactions in this thread to the lynch and the number of people that have said something along the lines of "game is hard" "weird" "something's not right" and this chaotic EoD.....scum are playing well. Really well.

Of the scumteam, I have a hunch someone's got me fooled, someone's either suggesting or pushing my lynch and someone's doing a great job of playing under the radar and right now I can't really put my finger on it.

I'm looking at the votes and I know I'm town so we had two town wagons, possibly three (sicklucker, though I'm not fully positive, but likely based on the votes) the solo voters are annoying and I'm pretty sure there's one in the solo votes but looking at how everyone and everything shifted, there HAS to be one person jumping around, I had 3 votes at points in the cycle total, with Koshi and Fecalfeast willing to shennanie. (Tictock suggested SL)

People that voted for FF at any given point: Tumblewood, Koshi, Damdred, Gumshoe, Half the Sky, Shapelog
People that voted sicklucker at any given point: gumshoe, hts, shapelog, Damdred, FF (Tictock)
People that voted for me at any given point: LS, SL, Damdred, (FF, Koshi)

Starting point for me I think when I pick up again but I'm stopping here for the night.

On April 22 2016 09:34 Fidei86 wrote:
Drunk James says its HTS / TT / Damdred. But this is definitely one of the weirdest games I've ever been in.

If I'm vigi tonight I shoot LS though. Dude doesn't string a sentence together for four games in a row and is town. He posts a WOT tonight and nobody bats an eye.

On April 23 2016 07:34 Half the Sky wrote:
3/40

I'm sure Tumbleweed tried to bus here. See my posts during the nightphase tying those two together.

##vote Tumbleweed

POST 446 YOU HEARD THE ASSOCIATIVE READ FIRST

On April 23 2016 09:07 Koshi wrote:

Is this remark too good? I actually didn't know there were so many votes on sl till I saw that post from HTS.

On April 24 2016 02:31 Half the Sky wrote:
11/40

EBWOP from #519,

That should have read to DYH

"I see we're on the same page with Koshi, prob not Fidei"

the filter re-reads are on my to-do list....

And LS, I'm going through your filter, you haven't really produced too much in the way of new reads or scumteam proposals.

Mind commenting on

(1) GlowingBear
(2) Koshi
(3) DYH
(4) Fidei
(5) gumshoe

With respect to voting patterns and/or generally reading them
I'm aware the associative shit might be hard so stick to the first two unless you want to crack it...

Now I really gotta roll. Really wish I wasn't so damned pressed for time these days.

On April 24 2016 04:17 Koshi wrote:



HTS, why did you say "town pile on FF"

On April 24 2016 07:23 GlowingBear wrote:


14
I've made a whole post pointing out inconsistencies in his play and why I think he is Mafia for that. Read that one and if you still think he is town, debunk my case.

By the way, why do you think he is town again?

On April 25 2016 05:24 DoYouHas wrote:
@LS, I would very much like to hear your opinions on Koshi, GB, and HtS.

On April 24 2016 03:09 LightningStrike wrote:

I think James is town and Koshi too. James is starting to do his own work and Koshi been doing his own things and been kinda active?
DYH is null for me he haven't done to much and I being cautious with him because he buddied me so hard in Student Newbie XX at LYLO. Gumshoe's voting reasons for SL seemed weak and he didn't try to push his own case on TT who he thought was scumier but he claimed it was because his computer was acting up. I would think he would try to make a case or at least push his lynch more but he claimed TT did more stuff than him and looked better than him so :\
GB: Maybe Town? He been doing his own thing and tried to pressure people too but I can see a little bit why people having trouble with him but I don't think we should lynch him today.

On April 24 2016 07:41 LightningStrike wrote:

Koshi been doing his own thing pressuring people and been kind of active. Plus he martyr although kind of anti-town makes it more likely that he is town. In addition Koshi been lynching townies his last few games so it makes sense that he not hardcore pushing people.

On April 23 2016 08:28 LightningStrike wrote:
I honestly might have to reconsider my read on HTS and call (gasp) town mainly because sicklucker voted her with me for really bad reasons I think so it's likely that she's is town and so is Koshi due to sicklucker voting both of them. Idk TW might look worse on that flip and he could of easily bussed sl but idk man.

On April 25 2016 06:35 Fidei86 wrote:
Why do you think it's DYH? He can't be accused of flooding the thread, but the thing I was really concerned about (his flip on Shape) actually makes a bunch of sense considering Shape's voting.

On April 25 2016 06:38 gumshoe wrote:


I mean, he just lied mang / : or at least he accidentally fudged the truth in an extreme/highly coincidental manner that just so happens to exonerate him for his scummy actions.

We all talk eachothers ears off about scum slips, and whats correct or wrong or right or townie.

But you cannot reasonably ask for more than what just happened / :

On April 25 2016 06:41 GlowingBear wrote:
LS if you mislynch me one more time I will never play with you again.

Gumshoe, I think you might be Mafia and I felt uneasy about your alignment after considering how your lunch was unfolding. I don't understand why you think I'm lying.

On April 25 2016 07:02 gumshoe wrote:


note Ls, this line comes right after you recalled the game you mislynched him / :

pretty sure he just saw a weakness and chose to exploit it, as opposed to genuinely coming up with this himself.

On April 25 2016 07:07 Koshi wrote:

Well I am ok with doing that. Do you have any reasons for GB being town?

On April 25 2016 07:11 Koshi wrote:

1 more thing. Do you think that everything gumshoe said about gb isn't good enough or what is your opinion on those posts?

On April 25 2016 07:14 Koshi wrote:

sicklucker here pushed GB


Did GB answer this? Is this talk between buddies?


more about GB



So is this between buddies or not? I don't know. Do you know?

On April 25 2016 07:17 gumshoe wrote:


post 638 page 32 XD

then he makes the post i mentioned on 639 a min later

wouldnt make that kind of thing up : P

On April 25 2016 07:24 Half the Sky wrote:
28/40



Wrong. He bussed me in Void day 1, I got lynched day 2 and he and JAT rode that shit to victory. He definitely busses, I think he bussed in Guardians of the Galaxy as well.

sicklucker is quite capable of making the plays when needed. Can't rule that out.

On April 25 2016 07:37 Fidei86 wrote:
LS:



Also Dani, I notice that you aren't including me and LS in your little list.

Don't think I'm not on to you.

On April 26 2016 06:24 LightningStrike wrote:
So GB wants to lynch Gum dunno if that his final scum.
TT is my PoE scum.
James got HTS>TT>GB in order from left to right on who he thinks should be lynched.
TT thinks it's James.
Kinda wish more people would talk while I was at school after my last post :\