[M][Cap] Tortoise Mafia

On April 20 2016 08:17 sicklucker wrote:
I will not be numbering my posts I like to live on the edge.

dandred for blatantly wasting posts

On April 20 2016 08:41 Damdred wrote:
It's not easy ring posts if I am putting reads into the game or was entering the game.

While it's true that scum like wasting posts so they do not have to post later in the phase I am probably doing half in the first then do 10 and saving 15 near eod. A post restrictive game doesn't have to be a dead game.

SL is obviously null

Town on gumshoe and on dyh (tentative on both for halfway meh reasons)

LS is sort of in the bottom half of null bordering on a scum lean. He entered the game bringing nothing new but rehashed something someone else said and making it look worse than it was. He could be scum.

On April 20 2016 09:32 Tictock wrote:
Oh cool, this started already.

I'll check in later when there is stuff to read.

On April 20 2016 10:37 sicklucker wrote:


ok I change my mind that is a complete wasted post and half policy ##vote lightnightstrike

On April 20 2016 18:22 Tictock wrote:
I guess I should have expected a slow start in a post restrictive game.

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This feels kinda nitpicky and more a narrative you are projecting on what Gum did than what actually happened

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LS is a bit interesting, he's half joking but a bit too serious for the start of the game imo.



He goes into defensive mode here pretty quick, and his stance on Gum does a 180 here. (He said his vote was weird before, but here he says scum!Gum prob wouldn't vote anyone this early) Though tbf Gum did make a WoT post between then, still kinda a sudden flop.

LS also way overuses that pic of the guy smoking a blunt in tinfoil, which I only mention kus it kinda bugs me... even if it's a good tinfoil pic.

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Koshi and SL are both underwhelming to me atm, but meh.

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Shape has me slightly worried due to the way he's setting up a posting style for himself. Prob not a good way to explain it.

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I like Gum for the amount of content he's putting out and for having similar thoughts to my own.

That's about all I got for the moment. Well at least all I feel like sharing atm.

On April 20 2016 21:56 Half the Sky wrote:
2/40

My concern with Tumbleweed lies in 101 and 110. The gist of it is that he is posting for the sake of posting and the questions are very open-ended with the argument that the information he's getting from it will not be helpful with determining alignments.

101

The comment on Shapelog is clearly answered if he'd read the thread - Shapelog by his own admission said his first five posts - of which one was quoted - was fluff. So he's asking a question already answered. It's possible town can neglect to read carefully but lets proceed to the next point.

The comment on Lightning Strike was bad (and this is part of why I this LS could be mafia) - it is townreading LS for a poor reason. LS in the quoted statement says Tictock "blatantly" doesn't want to stir up discussion - Tictock may not want to post if he has nothing to contribute ESPECIALLY in a post-restricted game. So for him to take an NAI point and paint it as mafia indicative is poor, and by extension the townread is poor.

110

Same concern as in 101, non sequitur means illogical (more or less) so placing that expectation within the first few posts of the game is just meh. It seems forced.

Moving on to LS, which is easily explained.

Post 96 is a poor reason (or at least a weak reason) to townread Gumshoe, or at least the reason he gave. As stated before my bigger concern is with post 101 though, trying to make something that is alignment indicative which isn't necessarily so.

On April 20 2016 23:53 LightningStrike wrote:
This probably HTS irl if she's scum which I think she is:

On April 20 2016 22:41 Shapelog wrote:

Yeah, I noticed the fact he was small twisting things as I am reading. The question thing I feel like could come from either alignment (even with the info in the thread) from tumble, as his style is to open up with some...questionable questions lol.

Usually, he becomes easier for me to read later into the game, as his motives are clearer and such, and his thought process becomes easier for me to see.

He did come back though. Which is good.
As someone who just rolled scum with TT, this is very different. In storm (Team rebels 4 life) TT has/had been suffering from rolling scum a lot, which reflected in his play. He was moot. In fact, he posted something simlar as a opening here, and never follow threw. Even in Devil, he wasn't this quick with reads or anything (IIRC). Most of the first 24 hours were him joking. with me in particular.

I still going through his read list to see if anything stands out.

On April 21 2016 00:09 Half the Sky wrote:
4/40

LS, I drink wine as town and whisky as mafia. Fidei was the one who drinks Sauvignon Blanc after mislynches. Get it right please.

On a serious note, though, I'm still concerned you think (confirm/deny????) Tictock could be mafia? Clarify that please? You haven't said jack all on that after it was pointed out.

I can buy the point on SL, but Fecalfeast is lazy and has been so as both alignments. I was mafia in Dark Tournament with him - the game which you reference - so I know for a fact his laziness wasn't what made him mafia, it was the manner in which he bussed me after I was (effectively) redchecked. (Mage being the free DT check in that case.) That drew Shining's attention after I flipped not because he was a low-volume poster. As stated, there is still likely Fecalfeast could be mafia but this isn't the reason why. I am going to use other criteria to evaluate him. (NB: Everyone else, I bring this up since LS relies heavily on meta to read people.)

Irregardless, I'm not picking at you because you're an "easy" target - there are IMO a number of contentious statements/arguments in your posts that I'm trying to pick out just like I did in SOTW 2. Also I'm confused at best by you referencing the games on yourself - by your own admission you changed your meta very recently, so I'm just trying to take your posts in this game, in isolation and work from there.

On April 21 2016 04:43 Fecalfeast wrote:
I'm going to try not to omgus because I always omgus. I think your reason for voting me is silly and contradicts your first post; I am able to prove myself towny later in the game.


I think LS is scum. He asks a joke questions right off the bat but then tries to defend it as 'trying to stir up discussion' when he gets called out for it in sicklucker's fake vote post.



The fact that LS called someone out for not trying to stir up discussion after making a joke post himself is one thing, but to defend the joke post in the same way you condemned the other post? What kind of useful discussion would his 'earth is flat' question have brought to the game? If anything it wasted a post making sicklucker respond to it. LS is trying to seem like he's contributing.
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I think HTS' reaction to koshi's scumread was a little odd (going from "FF could be mafia" to "I think you're wrong on FF") but I think I understand her reasoning now.

other than that I haven't been reading too closely tbh


6?

On April 21 2016 06:15 Fidei86 wrote:

[5/40]
HTS, when was the last time you played with LS? Because the concerning thing for me in this game is that he is actually giving reads with some explanation. In the last two games I played with him as town, that NEVER happened.

On April 21 2016 05:55 Tictock wrote:


I kind-of agree with it in the sense that his point tracks, but a weak open doesn't necessarily make you mafia.

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I'm not sure I'll have much time tonight for this so I think I'm going to place my vote on Tumble for now.

His opening consisted of quoting and responding to 3 posts, but really had no content to it. Just feels like a "look at me talking about stuff" kinda post.
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His push on shape about plynches doesn't really make much sense. I just don't get why Shape saying he dislikes policy lynches is so important to Tumble, feels more like he is making something out of nothing.
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He says:
With pretty weak reasoning for the LS townread...

His scumreads are weak.
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It also doesn't seem like he's reading that game too closely. His read on me is based on my first post but doesn't seem to have noticed I've made more posts than that.

Also this series of posts doesn't seem like he's reading very closly/not paying attn.




##Vote: Tumblewood

On April 21 2016 05:05 Tictock wrote:


I didn't ask for your reads just what your thoughts were. In fact if you notice in last big post I didn't call anyone town or scum (thought you might imply that based off what I said).

So "idk maybe town" isn't really what I was hoping for.

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Mixed feelings about Koshi's push on FF, on the one hand I like the pressure but I'm not seeing anything particularly scummy about FF.

In fact if I had to point to anything that might make me lean scum on FF it would be his lazy townread on me, but Koshi kinda did that too. + Show Spoiler +

I guess I agree with HtS about FF too, I've seen him lazy as town and scum. Tbh I'm not sure he's really done anything alignment indicative yet, partially why I asked him about Damdred (figuered he plays with Damdred a lot so might have some thoughts).

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@LS what made you have this expectation of me?



Also why did you bring up your last scum game when you are saying HtS is going after you for being an easy target?



IIRC you played fairly well in that game and have been working to improve your play in general. So that kinda works against you being an "easy target".

Just feels like OMGUS to me, and kinda weak omgus at that. Part of that is that you spent 4 posts on this point, but didn't really say anything in any of them.

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I made a post saying I'd be around later, idk how you interpenetrate that as saying I won't be contributing. Sure if I never followed that up then this is a point, but you seem to be ignoring the fact that I did follow up...

So why are you (or were you in this post) thinking that I or HtS are mafia?

You actually said this:


Which besides being kinda funny (you are only thinking that you are town) it's odd that you put LS on the same level of townyness as yourself. Was there more to this read or is it just because you like his comment about my open?

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Getting towny vibes from Koshi now, #148 and #149 in particular feels like a townie pushing his thoughts.

Also kinda like the latest couple of posts from FF and I kinda agree with his point about Fidei's opening.