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GB, can you also explain where you are getting this quote?
On April 26 2016 07:41 GlowingBear wrote: Well, based on VCA, Koshi and Shapelog aren't mafia unless they unnecessarily bussed DYH. I find hard to believe. There was no need to bus so I don't trust this possibility.
So remaining Mafia should be between gumshoe TT fidei and HTS
How are you using VCA to distinguish between Shape and Koshi versus gumshoe, Tictock and Fidei?
On April 26 2016 06:57 Half the Sky wrote:So roughly 38m to End of Day or 2254, DYH lurked the thread (he GGed right after the lynch). Looking at vote timings after 2300: So yep, Tictock is actually right here. DYH bailed from the thread, could have told his scumbuddy to do whatever. So from his POV, the point on Fidei is valid, because all the votes came after, no one on the wagon gets a pass. I don't think Fidei is scum, but it's clearer to me where he's coming from. On the other hand it's also possible that the entire wagon on DYH could very well be town, with DYH out of the thread, he's effectively relinquished control and no one else was voting Koshi. We very well could have had a scumteam that really was low-activity and not so influential in the thread.
Look at how all the votes came in. Most if not all after DYH bailed from the thread. Why are you putting them in a separate category based on VCA?
How can you believe what you are saying there - if there was no need to bus and you are believing that no one on the DYH wagon bussed, your dropping your scumread against me makes no sense, your scumming of gumshoe makes even LESS sense.
I really believe you're just lurking the thread and trying to see what is sticking with the way this town is playing right now.
I need to focus on work here on out....but I'll be back.
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On April 26 2016 06:32 Half the Sky wrote: GB being mislynched a shittonne does not give any indication for his play now. He fakeclaimed in Firefly yes, but I don't believe he did jack all in Outlaw. Fakeclaims are done for specific reasons when they aim for the objectives needed (to draw a blue, to divert a lynch, etc) and someone fakeclaiming or not does not and should not ever vindicate them. There's a ridiculous amount in GB's filter that indicates several problems including
(1) lack of followup day 1 reads,
(2) lack of engagement (or delayed engagement) with Koshi, he throws the names he does night 1 and I engage him first on Koshi when I discuss my phobias but he doesn't touch him until Koshi calls him on on this day 2.
(3) the dropped read on SL day 1.
(4) softpushing from sicklucker day 1 ("I'd lynch GB a little from his posts....and then selective reasoning on me when I was going to get lynched)
(5) his post highlighting why I was mafia was terrible in that it completely ignored arguments that were already made
(a) saying my posts are convoluted does not make me mafia when I explain them a bazillion times, furthermore that is parroting from Koshi one day later Damdred was confirmation biasing HARD but at least I could tell he was town based on interactions with other townies.
(b) Second it was VERY reasonable and not suspicious to surmise that a low-activity player was mafia, GB basically framed something that was townie (or at worst null) and framed it as mafia agenda. That behaviour itself is mafia driven. Read post 583 again if you don't understand.
(6) Softpushing from GB on DYH (see post 583) - he says DYH makes him uncomfortable, but what does he do about it? Nothing. He doesn't even engage him or change that read when he and DYH both vote Koshi. In post 628 you will see
(7) GB's push on Koshi makes no sense (through post 623). Koshi clearly explained why Shape was underwhelming compared to GB and that was based on the metas he had for both players. He def focused on some people more than others and he did use the argument too scummy to be scum, which was wrong on sicklucker...and he did the same for gumshoe. But it's a read that whilst bad is not exclusively mafia.
Alright, GB, let me go through point by point here. I want to see your responses, if any.
(1) I had issues with these, and when I tried to engage you on Koshi you didn't engage. You brought these names up without any followthrough and the way you wrote it, it looked like you were trying to see whether they would stick. Relevant quotes here.
On April 22 2016 11:03 GlowingBear wrote: 22
Nevermind damdy. I think you're town so it is no use to argue on something that won't lead anywhere.
Do you think I'm town? I wanna bounce some thoughts with you if you're willing to trust me.
What are your reads atm? I really have a feeling that we have mafia between koshi/gumshoe/LS. Do you have any reason to disagree?
On April 23 2016 05:47 GlowingBear wrote: For what reason you think Koshi and LS are town, damdy?
You explained subsequently in pursuing Koshi, but where did the LS/gumshoe reads go?
(2) you've explained a little better just now in why you had an issue with Koshi, because you're sort of semi-metaing him as logical and you thought he had an agenda. Okay, moving on.
(3) The first thing (you'd see it in my filter here) that drew attention to you was how your SL read dropped. This looks really bad to me particularly when he's flipped mafia. Relevant quotes as follows (spoiler):
+ Show Spoiler [quotes] +On April 21 2016 02:11 GlowingBear wrote: 4 Ok since SL never answered me, I must say I don't like his posts
He has an opening calling Damdred "null" (the only thing I can understabd from bolding a name) because damdred was wasting posts. This is bad because:
1) It is impossible to have contentful posts in the beginning of the game 2) Calling someone null is saying something someone did is not alignment indicative, which means (I) he is wasting a post because he is saying nothing contributive, and (ii) he is trying to look contributive while saying nothing at all.
Wanting to lynch LS in the beginning of the game for wasting posts just reinforces this perspective On April 22 2016 03:04 GlowingBear wrote: I know the case on SL isn't the strongest. Although I think his attitude was suspicious, I only wanted to keep developing discussion. I also like to push a target in a way everything is explained in details, whatever slignment he is, because I think mafia has a hard time covering all aspects of their stories. Regardless if a post is NAI or AI, a hard push will almost always reveal inconsistencies if the player's intention is made up Post-lynch - On April 22 2016 11:03 GlowingBear wrote: 22
Nevermind damdy. I think you're town so it is no use to argue on something that won't lead anywhere.
Do you think I'm town? I wanna bounce some thoughts with you if you're willing to trust me.
What are your reads atm? I really have a feeling that we have mafia between koshi/gumshoe/LS. Do you have any reason to disagree? (4) I'm going to skip 4 because this was on SL, but when I take this and your read on SL dropping, to me it looks like both of you are trying to tread around each other
(5) You said my posts were convoluted and considering the argument you had against Koshi - let's take a step back. I directed you to Post 583, and I tried to illustrate to you that I wasn't JUST looking at VCA, I was also looking at general thread activity and a few other things to make the suggestion I did. Now that DYH has flipped mafia, does that make you reconsider your read in any way?
Also speaking of reconsidering reads, you also had Fidei in your lynch list. What about that read?
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On April 27 2016 02:44 Shapelog wrote:VC: Show nested quote +On April 25 2016 07:29 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Final Votecount - Day 2: DoYouHas (5) - LightningStrike, Fidei86, Koshi, Shapelog, TicTock GlowingBear (2) - Koshi, gumshoe, Half the Sky gumshoe (1) - Tictock, gumshoe, Tumblewood, GlowingBear, Half The Sky, Koshi, KoshiKoshi (2) - GlowingBear, DoYouHas, GlowingBear Shapelog (0) - KoshiTumblewood (0) - Half the Sky, Koshi, Tictock, gumshoeDoYouHas is slated to be lynched. Ik someone made the agurement that Scum needed a ML here, and they associative read DYH and GB together that way. I kinda feel if that was the case though, that they would pick someone more like Gum to push, especially since Gum A) was easier to ML (guy basically voted for himself lol) and B) because anyone could have change his reads tbh to get him lynched. And the Gum was already in bad stands according to DYH. It also doesn't seem really realistic for them in the case to do that, as KOshi wasn't on top of enough peoples lynch list. There is also another one, in which someone said something about GB (maybe it was Gum) carrying the team, which is kinda meh considering the fact of the AFK time. Actually, it is kinda weird that he was sus. of Gum enough to say that he needed to get lynched, yet he didn't push. Hmm, I get to it in the DYH part of this post. The only real throw away vote tbh (I guess you could argue that GB is a bit throwy, yet it isn't solo) is from suppose vig (which btw, I trust his claim since him breadcrumbing and quick claim after sus. makes sense after dieing last game due to not claiming. I.E. Makes sense for him to be breadcrumbing and what not) So nothing there.
Things I saw in DYH filter I've read his Filter, and this is some things I see. - Early pressure on gum
- Pressure on me
- Town read on HTS
- Pressure on Koshi
- Town read on GB (reason:case on Koshi)
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On April 25 2016 05:29 DoYouHas wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2016 05:24 Fidei86 wrote: There are lots of other points against me - #1 is I have no f'ing idea who I want to vote this evening. Activity could be a thing - I have tons of OGI excuses, but I know those don't carry any weight.
Does it seem likely that scum gumshoe calls the wagon on Koshi dumpster, when that's the only other one going?
Any reasoning we can have around gum is WIFOMed all to hell. As soon as anyone asks to be lynched they are playing against their win condition. All that is left is whether or not town will do it more often than scum.
- keep options open on me
- Tinfoil, but it is possible he was lurking, since he GG after 4 mins after deadline, yet was AFK due to playing legue (which seems off to meh)
There is actually a lot more pointing to GB than anyone else actually. Like I knew a lot pointed to him, but damm. The HTS vote from SL D1 over GB also seems a bit weird to me as well. I am going to reread some more filters. Primarily Gum and TT and maybe Fidei86. Koshi I feel strongly town btw.
Yeah the bolded, I made the comment you bolded but not the latter part about GB carrying the team.
But in his filter it doesn't make sense. Reading his filter, he was on Koshi all cycle. But town were consolidating on DYH, and yet he was voting Koshi with DYH even after he said he was uncomfortable with DYH's play.
GB also being off the wagon would also fit with him just having zero influence, or clearly not enough influence to get Koshi lynched, I know I definitely came around to the point on day 2 I wasn't going to lynch him. Like I feel with everything else pointing to him, I cannot ignore that possibility.
(GB if you want to comment here too, go for it, if I missed something you said about this, quote it.)
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Well hold on here. I'm reading 855/856/859. I don't understand part of your push on GB now.
On April 27 2016 04:12 gumshoe wrote: but yeah gb let me clarify,
if you had posted 3 or however more many hours after the lynch, then there would be no point here for me.
But the fact that you showed up just in time to be useless and mock town(just like dyh did) opens up the possibility that you had been there a little while before, watching as town doomed themselves.
given everything else I know about you (dyh asociation, the tic exchange, your push on koshi, your shitty night 2, your abandoning of your sl read, your omega town read of dyh) theres just seems to be a lot more suggesting this vote lurker possibility rather then the snarky happen stance you would have us believe / :
Am I derping or missing something here?
Why are you making the assumption that GB would play scum exactly the same way that DYH would? DYH did the opposite - he said he was playing League or whatever and then he lurked but the whole 20m re: Damdred....
....there's a lot of other issues with GB but....that one isn't definitive.
I also don't like the self-meta in #844.
And:
On April 27 2016 03:27 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2016 03:18 GlowingBear wrote: You're taking a day1 post, going to a day2 post, then going back to a day1 post to say my reads are inconsistent. If you take them out of chronological order there is no way those posts show any consistency.
Also that post of the lynch obviously not hitting Mafia was like 5 minutes before deadline. It was right when I could re-enter the thread. I had an argument with Damdred about that. the bolded is what we cant know. With you bieng in thread within 20 min, we have to assume you very well could have been in thread longer, excuses dont work here as they are just want to be lies / :also the day 2 post is an explantion for the day 1 post XD from an earlier conversation we had. Of course I can use it.
I see GB explained why he dropped LS as a scumread, but why this assumption? I remember Damdred accusing GB of doing dick all as a solo voter, so I know GB isn't lying about that.
This is nothing of the likes that DYH did. You knew he lurked because he posted after his lynch. Here it's just the opposite situation and GB's previous post was at 19xx or approx. 4 hours before.
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On April 27 2016 04:23 gumshoe wrote:also this. Show nested quote +I dislike this post from Koshi. He points out problems with LS and Shape but doesn't conclude nothing from it. Then he proceeds to vote... Ta-da! Fecalfeast. this post happened half an hour before the lynch.at this point in time, sl was the leading wagon, and damdred was voting sl. while you continued to vote ls... so theres this half an hour gap between you bieng here while the sl wagon was active and not voting sl or sheeping damdred (two things you seemed to indicate youd be willing to do all cycle), and you showing up just in time to mock town (ala dyh) and you never mention that you had to go ethier / : you say you were here just one min before the deadline Show nested quote +I was here merely one minute before deadline. How do you expect me to do stuff? but do you understand why I have trouble bilieving that XD thats a rhetorical question btw, I dont need anymore excuses.
WHAT?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??
On April 22 2016 03:59 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2016 18:58 Koshi wrote:On April 20 2016 18:51 Fecalfeast wrote: I think it's weird for everyone to have so many reads so early in the game, to be honest. It's tempting to townread everyone who's doing things right away but really anyone could give an opinion on everyone that's posted with sofew posts actually saying anything.
Basically a long winded way of saying IDK maybe town?
5 btw Well. With limited posts people push out reads harder because they want other people to react on them and confirm their suspicion, or just pressure people with the reads, or further the game and spark discussion. It's a good thing. Also hard reading people town forces mafia to do shit because they might feel antsy if it is true. tldr: I also wont lynch TT before I have at least 1 good reason to townread everybody else. That post was really good and set the bar high for everybody to follow.
I also townread Damdred for starting the game.
I dislike both LS and Shape. Doesn't mean they are mafia but their entrance was weak. But town can enter weak if they pick it up. Shape ending his 5 fluff posts with a pretty unimportant question and then fucking off for x hours is bad. LS is trying but not making waves.
I have issues with this post: On April 20 2016 10:44 Fecalfeast wrote: Aw shit I agree with sicklucker I must be broken Sounds townie but could so easily be made by mafia. Just like most post you make are pure reactionary and controlling. I don't remember you as somebody who is controlling the thread. I dislike this post from Koshi. He points out problems with LS and Shape but doesn't conclude nothing from it. Then he proceeds to vote... Ta-da! Fecalfeast.
On April 22 2016 07:28 GlowingBear wrote: This lunch is obviously not hitting mafia
What on earth are you talking about gumshoe????
Timestamps are showing a difference of 3h30 for me.....almost 2000 local time and then deadline is at 2330, he posts at 2328 wtf?!?!?!?!?
How are you just getting half an hour????
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On April 27 2016 04:36 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2016 04:27 Half the Sky wrote:8/40 Well hold on here. I'm reading 855/856/859. I don't understand part of your push on GB now. On April 27 2016 04:12 gumshoe wrote: but yeah gb let me clarify,
if you had posted 3 or however more many hours after the lynch, then there would be no point here for me.
But the fact that you showed up just in time to be useless and mock town(just like dyh did) opens up the possibility that you had been there a little while before, watching as town doomed themselves.
given everything else I know about you (dyh asociation, the tic exchange, your push on koshi, your shitty night 2, your abandoning of your sl read, your omega town read of dyh) theres just seems to be a lot more suggesting this vote lurker possibility rather then the snarky happen stance you would have us believe / : Am I derping or missing something here? Why are you making the assumption that GB would play scum exactly the same way that DYH would? DYH did the opposite - he said he was playing League or whatever and then he lurked but the whole 20m re: Damdred.... ....there's a lot of other issues with GB but....that one isn't definitive. I also don't like the self-meta in #844. And: On April 27 2016 03:27 gumshoe wrote:On April 27 2016 03:18 GlowingBear wrote: You're taking a day1 post, going to a day2 post, then going back to a day1 post to say my reads are inconsistent. If you take them out of chronological order there is no way those posts show any consistency.
Also that post of the lynch obviously not hitting Mafia was like 5 minutes before deadline. It was right when I could re-enter the thread. I had an argument with Damdred about that. the bolded is what we cant know. With you bieng in thread within 20 min, we have to assume you very well could have been in thread longer, excuses dont work here as they are just want to be lies / :also the day 2 post is an explantion for the day 1 post XD from an earlier conversation we had. Of course I can use it. I see GB explained why he dropped LS as a scumread, but why this assumption? I remember Damdred accusing GB of doing dick all as a solo voter, so I know GB isn't lying about that. This is nothing of the likes that DYH did. You knew he lurked because he posted after his lynch. Here it's just the opposite situation and GB's previous post was at 19xx or approx. 4 hours before. sorry can you boil this down? little bit confusing. my point is that gb said hed sheep damdred and was willing to vote sl. I can place him in thread at the time of the wagon on sl bieng active, yet he continues to vote ls. a minute before hand he shows up saying the lynch is bad just like dyh did, he claims he was gone for the lynch, but he was there half an hour before, and a minute before. Leaving him going out as a 30 min period that did not exist prior to his excuse.Therefore we have fair reason to bilieve he was here, and he had a chance to make good on his sheep and even fight the ff lynch (who he was convinced was town) but did not. Thats all im saying / : his counter is why would he gloat 1 min before, my answer is we dont have to find a reason (though can surely be created) because dyh did it, therefore there is a reason for it regardless of wether we know it. wheres the problem?
The bolded is confusing me. I've read the filter and end of day 1.
I want to make sure I'm not misunderstanding you because the way you have your timestamps also indicates a larger difference - where is this "half hour thing coming from?" I know he was there a minute before. GB's gloating post is 3.5h before.
I'm looking at post #635 and GB's filter, GB's filter has him gone for 3.5 hours. Or did you mean he was around the time the wagon on SL was there?
Is this the post you mean?
On April 22 2016 06:37 Damdred wrote: I just told you why we should lynch SL.
But you can't stay on hts nobody will vote her today.
I mean that's still a stretch. There are other reasons you can choose to associate GB with SL but that's still based on an assumption.
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On April 27 2016 04:46 gumshoe wrote: ah fuck, yeah theres a big jump T_T my bad only the gloat post counts.
sorry for the mistake gb ) : you still scum
Still this whole exchange doesn't sit well with me. And your previous post, when I say self-meta I mean "I would do X as town/scum" etc.
I also didn't like the point (post 866) where you mentioned GB throwing his arms and giving up is mafia, not necessarily. Giving up is NAI. As the point pertains to GB, he has also given up as town when he got mislynched in NSM 18. And he did it in bloody mylo and town lost because of it.
It looks suspicious to me between this and the previous assumption it's like you are taking something and stretching it to sound scum indicative.
And the fact that GB is voting the person he feels where the votes are literally everywhere else on gumshoe means he's not playing for survival, at least not at the moment.
On April 27 2016 04:32 GlowingBear wrote: Ok.
On SL: I thought his posts were suspicious, so I've called him out. I do those kind of things on every game because I always try to develop discussion. It doesn't mean, however, that it was a strong case that I would use as grounds to any lynch. Then I had to be and entire day AFK, and when I came back, I tried to do a big catch up post. In that catch up post I found informational stuff that led me to believe gumshoe and LS were Mafia (and to be fair, I don't even remember what it was). I saw nothing else from SL because I could read only until page 6/7 at that time.
Then I only came back two minutes before deadline to see a lynch that, by VCA, looked like it was going to hit town. I didn't have time to do anything.
I simply forgot about SL. Just like that. Because I thought I saw way more important things to pursue. And as I saw a clear fownie in Damdred, I tried to chat with him so we could work together.
Now, sometimes I reevaluate stuff but I don't state it in thread. LS was one of that reevaluartion. I scum read him almost every game, and Damdred correctly reads him almost every game. So I took Damdred's word for granted. I know I have my limitations as a player, and working together is really important to me when I have a strong town read I trust
I want people who are familiar with GB's meta to comment on this response to me. I have my thoughts on it, I know Koshi has said that GB is capable of shitty play (or however he worded it), but I want other opinions.
I need to AFK again.
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Reading....and reading....and reading. Work is pure insanity but I'm trying my best.
##unvote
For these reasons:
The gumshoe/GlowingBear duel alone and the manner in which he pushed back gave me serious pause. Also his responses to me make a little more sense in terms of why he's playing the way he is if he is town. I also looked at the rest of his reads.
There was a part of me that when I looked at gumshoe's role in the duel I was grappling between mafia trying to bury town, or someone who was just 1000% confirmation biased. I'm honestly seeing bits of both though in his filter. I'll re-read that exchange again to make sure I'm not missing anything, but it was difficult for me because those two had so many question marks Days 1 and 2.
I haven't gotten to Koshi/Tictock cases in depth (reading Fidei's filter in context of the thread) quite yet on Fidei, but if Fidei is mafia, that would mean I'd have to accept that to an extent, he's broken meta. But both Koshi and Tictock have made some excellent points and when I skim Fidei's filter, the fact he has Tictock, me and GB in the lynch pool - makes me even more worried after having looked at the exchange between GB and gumshoe.
I know I'm town, I'm pretty sure Tictock is town, and I'm starting to think GB is town. And the use of votes for Day 2 is debunked - Tictock made a case on that and I verified it with the way the votes came in Day 2.
Furthermore, Fidei does fall off hard as mafia as the game goes on. Him deferring reads on us or not even pushing his most likely scumread is all the more reason I should revisit that. Also Fidei saying that I'm wrong on everyone without looking into why I've been wrong or making a case on that looks very much at face value he might be trying to hold out and see what is taking off with town having been disorganised all game.
GB, you said the votes were the only reason that you were townreading Fidei, but you said nothing memorable was from him. I think based on that you should probably double check that.
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This message is for Shapelog and Tumble.
(Especially Shapelog, whom I've seen post in a few other threads in the TL Mafia, but not here.)
If you are reading this thread simultaneously and trying to work stuff out of course, then disregard, but if you aren't/haven't already...
COULD THE TWO OF YOU FOR THE LOVE OF ALL THINGS GOOD AND HOLY GET YOUR ARSES BACK IN THIS THREAD AND GIVE SOME INPUT????
Moving on....
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Well after last night I have reason to think GB is not mafia here, so I'm at the point where I'm looking through gumshoe and Fidei, hopefully I can finish that up either my next breather at work or after my barre class when I get off work.
I thought Fidei might be town at first but after Tictock's case debunked the order of the votes and Koshi's case stressed the manner in how DYH was voted, along with other factors, he absolutely deserves the scrutiny. And then skimming Fidei's filter again, the only thing Fidei stresses is the order of the votes and that's about the only thing he does to come up with his lynch pool.
First gumshoe v GB one more time though.
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So that entire push on GB was based on a mistake after re-reading. Post #842 lends support to how gumshoe might be town, and ergo, the gumshoe v GB clash being town on town.
gumshoe is using his meta knowledge/expectations of GB (which is subjective obviously, I don't know whether to trust that since I haven't played with him enough) to further continue scumreading him (post 844/849/860), so I can't really say anything with confidence there. But the duration of the fight plus that post indicates gumshoe is possibly town in that.
The final sentence in post 860 could come from either alignment, mafia wanting to bury or someone too deep into the tunnel.
Not sure why gumshoe is townreading Fidei though, but only one of them can be scum at this point (duh).
Also re: post 866, I stand corrected there gumshoe, that point was in reference to him giving up on your alignment. I misread there.
Alright, onwards to Fidei then.
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On April 28 2016 00:45 Fidei86 wrote: Well I didn't get up early because I'm lazy. And I've been at work all day. But I'm kicking off early to get home and start looking seriously through filters.
Also HTS you were here during the votes. This is ludicrous. You know me. You think as the last scum I bussed my last buddy to go solo? And that I did it when it was absolutely not necessary? Or that my call for 'consolidating' was actually a call to move off DYH? Yeah, if I'm alive at the end you absolutely have to look again at everyone. But voting me now over people who didn't vote scum last round on a last minute shenanigan? Come on.
"Not necessary" is not the point. That is actually WIFOM. DYH bailed from the thread for goodness knows what reason. The mafia motivation to bus and go solo is exactly for town cred. Surely you remember that from Dark Tournament. You saw what happened with disformation who was scumformation trying to get credit but Shining tapped him on that one.
Also like I said before votes are just one data point in the whole thing and second, the thing that bothered me about you is that you aren't looking into why we did what we did. You're solely focusing on the order of the votes and Tictock provided a very good explanation (which I verified) as to why that doesn't mean jack all.
And in trying to get me lynched you're focusing on that we (Tictock and I) were wrong, and not why. Koshi called you on it (the flipped mafia being afk), but I'll reiterate - we've waited for two nights now for you to get reads out on the people in your lynch pool and adding to the concern is reasoning for thinking everyone in that lynch pool of yours is town.
I'm not just looking at the votes James, I'm looking at everything as a whole. Which you seem to be quite conveniently ignoring >_<
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On April 28 2016 00:53 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2016 00:45 Fidei86 wrote: Well I didn't get up early because I'm lazy. And I've been at work all day. But I'm kicking off early to get home and start looking seriously through filters.
Also HTS you were here during the votes. This is ludicrous. You know me. You think as the last scum I bussed my last buddy to go solo? And that I did it when it was absolutely not necessary? Or that my call for 'consolidating' was actually a call to move off DYH? Yeah, if I'm alive at the end you absolutely have to look again at everyone. But voting me now over people who didn't vote scum last round on a last minute shenanigan? Come on. Why are you trying to convince her you are town, when she is your prime scumread?
I know the answer to this question, but I'll let him answer that one...
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On April 28 2016 00:51 Tictock wrote: Another thing to note about Fidei is that he has done jack all today but defend himself. He's just stuck with his PoE list, and I still don't get why he wants to lynch HtS over me who has far more points about in his filter.
I mean I get things come up and whatnot he has been around this phase but it's getting closer and closer to deadline with no real effort to push his scumreads or refine his PoE list.
And I ALSO am sure I know the answer to this question as well. I've even mentioned it in my filter at least once over now.
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On April 28 2016 00:51 Tictock wrote: Another thing to note about Fidei is that he has done jack all today but defend himself. He's just stuck with his PoE list, and I still don't get why he wants to lynch HtS over me who has far more points about in his filter.
I mean I get things come up and whatnot he has been around this phase but it's getting closer and closer to deadline with no real effort to push his scumreads or refine his PoE list.
This has not gone unnoticed.
I'm voting James right now, in the middle of re-reading the end of day 2, but I am going to AFK and catch the earlier barre class so I can get back earlier and finish through Koshi's case to be absolutely sure, and check for any responses esp James.
Admittedly, I'm questionable for a 2330 EoD, because I have a very early start tomorrow, but if it's looking ugly closer to the deadline, I'll have my phone on in bed....
Ah....life.
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On April 28 2016 01:11 Fidei86 wrote: I will say before filter diving that I absolutely expect TT to be suspicious of me, he always is. I find the fact that HTS, who is such a good player and cares so much about VCA, is still pushing me in circumstances where she at least must realise it is, as gumshoe said, le Derp.
Stop distracting me anyway, the faster I leave work the faster I can get home and write these posts I've been talking about for ages.
Oh please, give me a damn break. I already said MULTIPLE times, to you, to GB, to whoever else that votes weren't the only thing I was looking at.
And I ALREADY just explained NOW why the argument you are making is WIFOM.
Now I'm off.
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I'm back.
On April 28 2016 02:57 Fidei86 wrote: -_-
You know, for all the people voting me, I don't see anyone really considering anyone else (apart from gumshoe and GB against each other). When I flip town you're all going to have to rethink things. As far as I can see you're all just meandering towards my lynch. You're wasting time and this is exactly what mafia wants.
This is wrong. Koshi has had one eye on me, and I cross-examined the gb/gumshoe exchange.
I won't speak for others, but wasting time is the very last thing I've done.
On April 28 2016 00:51 Tictock wrote: Another thing to note about Fidei is that he has done jack all today but defend himself. He's just stuck with his PoE list, and I still don't get why he wants to lynch HtS over me who has far more points about in his filter.
I mean I get things come up and whatnot he has been around this phase but it's getting closer and closer to deadline with no real effort to push his scumreads or refine his PoE list.
Just saying.
Gumshoe, re post 909, that wasn't an exact quote by Tumbleweed, but Tumbleweed was I think paraphrasing the argument that Fidei considers himself that way because of the votes, and the voting argument has been beaten to death.
He's called himself town Jesus in a list post I know at one point but what comes into question is why he's calling himself that.
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On April 28 2016 03:28 Fidei86 wrote: While I continue trying to make sense of HTS's EOD 1 (it's quite complicated, and I can see a bus strategy from her but it's also not entirely clear why she'd switch onto FF) could Tumble and Shape and GB please indicate who they are thinking of voting of.
I fought with Damdred over this Night 1. It should be VERY clear if you read my filter, but if you don't want to, I lined up all the relevant quotes to refute his argument in a single post.
Separately, you would also have to explain why sicklucker willing to knock me off (when he was significantly less active than I was and I had at least a couple townreads on me) and you'd also have to explain why (if you are putting sicklucker and myself on a team together) why we were double bussing this game.
On April 28 2016 03:35 Fidei86 wrote: I also have a number of suspicions about Dani's play, mostly revolving around her having very few sustained pushes, asking lots of questions and not really doing anything with the information, voting FF basically out of the blue on EOD1 and GB again with not much explaining on EOD2. But I think I probably have a lot of fear / confirmation bias in my read of her. And I'd rather spend my time going through other filters than trying to reason out in my head why scum Dani votes EOD as she did.
Regarding the lack of follow-through, you'd have to pull up example if you felt so inclined, I know there was one or two questions I deliberately didn't follow up because I read when I returned to the thread, and saw my questions had been answered and didn't need to pursue them.
Anyhow, carry on.
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On April 28 2016 03:28 Fidei86 wrote: While I continue trying to make sense of HTS's EOD 1 (it's quite complicated, and I can see a bus strategy from her but it's also not entirely clear why she'd switch onto FF) could Tumble and Shape and GB please indicate who they are thinking of voting of.
I hate the bolded here but I'm going to deliberately keep my mouth shut as to why. It should be obvious I think at this point (hint: I've used it as an argument against at least one other person).
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Alright, I'm back. Skimmed and unvoting Fidei.
Re: the setup speculation I'll say this much - 2 prots in m13 is too town favoured and there's unlikely another blue because a JK is really an inv and prot. (The vig is inv).
So vig/JK v GF/vanilla/RB (presumably) is balanced imo.
I'm reading into his case on Tictock now though. I know D1 I remember the Tumble push by Tictock being flimsy but I am trying to follow what he means by the exact voting sequence.
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