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Shapelog
Profile Joined November 2015
United States5184 Posts
April 21 2016 16:10 GMT
#241
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Morning brew reads b/c I feel asleep last night and tired as crap. Also kinda in a shitting mood with the Life thing, even though I knew about 87% that he was going to get convicted.

Life's hard:


Town Tortoises:

Koshisus, Feels like koshisus I know (disregarding that I never played with a scum Koshi lol) and sometimes hate. I know that Koshi is lazy as scum, so the fact that he is posting (and with good content too) makes me think he is town.



Town lean Tortoises:

Fidei69: I think I played with this guy. Back when He rolled scum with NM and kmart (if that was him.) If so I SHALL NOT BE FOOLED AGAIN! I like a lot of his posts, and more so the way he is going around the game. I wouldn't lynch him D1

Tumble, Liking his early d1 so far, And nothing stands out majorly to me (things always ink me to a small point, which is why I usually wait till after the D1 lynch to read him.) He doesn't seem to be single minded (X is scum, Hey X etc.) either.

HTS,* I could be completely wrong on this tbh, as looking at things such as swings on votes and what not aren't particularity my strong suit. However, there was a little swing I noticed around the time people started thinking HTS was scum (including me) and no one really was against it at all.

8 (not counting sky) people active in the thread/voiced some kind of sus. around the time that wagon got traction and before people starting changing minds. 2 people defended here (or at least town read her) FF, and Cum. Cum said why he think HTS was town, while FF IIRC just called her town. No one really wasn't against it except Cum.

I still have some sus. on her, but that makes me think she is town based off of that.

FF A nickel! I've played with guy once (cell) and that has been it really (also he was 50/50 confrimed by it so lol). Based off of pure feels he feels town. Can't explain why though.

Might look at scum games and educate myself on him later if I get time.


Tortoises of no color
In no order

DYH: Nothing I am seeing is making think he is town or scum. The sheeping thing caught my eye, but makes sense if HTS is his top town read. Would like to see more out of him. Also his opinion on LS, since LS is the main one pushing Sky, his top town read.

Damdred: Yeah it seems that I misread the conversation like damdred said. So he goes back to null. Reason he is here is that he really hasn't done anything that makes me want to "wow." He also feels more lazy then he did in storm.

LS:
1st off,
On April 21 2016 22:44 LightningStrike wrote:
Rolf she just claimed scum gfuys. There is always one scum within me and HTS. HTS I challenge you to a 1v1 Death Match winner takes all this phase.

I am ignored at this, since last game he did this, they both flipped town. He issued Rik. this challenged Day 5? and ok, meh reasoning behind it. But here it is Day 1, and he already has issue death match... Idk why he does this at all. And really makes no sense as either alignment here...Again. The difference I note is that this was a reply to a point HTS made (I only refreshed the page from this morning like 5 mins ago, and LS is my last read to do bear this in mind). Which feels like he is deflecting the point Sky made.
+ Show Spoiler [tinfoil about the Death battlleeeeeeee…] +

Maybe he is doing this to get TR due to him just doing this as town last game. It looks the same at a glace, yet actually has a different context. I can't prove this, but just a feeling.

I typically don't find LS hard to read in general (not so much like other people) but I am having difficulty here reading him. For insistence, I can see a town and scum LS tunneling here or for that matter, for most of his posts, doing what he has done here as either alignment (minus the death battle.)
So he is going to the scummy side of null for right now.

Gum, 4 raxing, Early game lines up with storm intro (Mountains out of Moleholes). Activity has faded a bit, which concerns me. The Champion thread reference also felt funky a bit. Also
On April 21 2016 04:05 Koshi wrote:
I understand that you could be town and do the things the way you did as town.

But I don't understand why.

1) I put pressure on FF.
2) You say 5 lines about FF that say NOTHING AT ALL. DOES NOT FURTHER THE GAME AT ALL. TAKES PRESSURE AWAY FROM FF. And just undermines my pressure.
3) You do this for no apparent good reason because you are completely null on FF.


at this juncture people are offering thier thoughts on everyone and everything, not everyone is playing as guarded and deliberate as you koshi. (Ironically your poise is actually drawing attention /

Oh and no ones stopping you from pressuring ff, nor does anyone owe you an obligation to let you do so.

Reads off to me as a attacking tone, based off the "not everyone is playing as guarded and deliberate as you koshi." It also sounds like it came from this guys mouth.
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And I hate that guy. Like that guy made me not want to be french. Dear god.

He's null mostly for the mountain out of molehills so far. and the fact that (i've looked at his meta) he is lazy as scum. While the mountain things = town. Here he is showing both. Also called me a damm cunt. Is he going to make my genital bleed like that girl in the matrix?

Fucking Gumrovingian.



Redish Tortoises

TT pretty Meh right now. Was on a scum burnout during storm, badly burnout. Hes been pretty silent since the case, but the fact he wrote a case kinda makes me like him a bit. Though, the case itself seems a tad bit weak after I reread it. Primary the weak read on LS (townie can have weak reads...) and some of the posts where he isn't suppose to be paying attention. Then the I would lynch X without giving any reasoning.

He is here because it has been almost 20 hours since his last post....Which fits with the burnout now that I think about it.

SaltShaker Kinda debating putting him in the scum lean cat. (I did) I would expect him to do more after saying most people are going to wait to post (his 3rd post.) Also this post really doesn't give much if you look at it:
Dont want to lynch Ls hes so cute and trying hard
Ticktock is looking really strong
I do want to lynch koshi but hes probably town. Not sure I can do another koshi game
Gum probably town from what I know about him
FF was not even in the top 3 people for wasting posts early so im not sure why hes being attacked.
Hts seems over defensive but maybe thats just the koshi factor
wish I could read shapelogs posts but luckily he does not have one

I want to lynch gb a lil for this posts

A lot of his town reads aren't really explained (TT) and just feels rushed in a way. He is kinda avoids a read on 3 people (talks about FF, but doesn't actually really gives a read, more so on the threads interaction on FF) (HTS statement was pretty none positional) (and I have really no clue what he means on mine lol)

He also doesn't seem to go after anyone other than GB. And focuses on GB on his next post.

GB, Want to relook after I was promised a big catch up post, guessing where he is going to expand that I am guessing will come out today since he said the weds. were bad for him. His case on SL wasn't the greatest tbh after I read some last night. And the only other thing he has done is my meta point on tumble that he confused with something about SL in there.

So we know he has read to around page 8 1/2, since that is when sky talks about GB's post. And is strange that he still had some what of a fixation on SL at that point of time ( I. E. my meta thing). And seems oblivious to anything else going on at page 8 and 1/2.

Activity doesn't bother me from him as well, since I remember him being inactive as either alignments.


"Subsequently clicking post is like launching a doomsday's worth of nukes' equivalent in dopamine." -RB
Shapelog
Profile Joined November 2015
United States5184 Posts
April 21 2016 16:11 GMT
#242
Oh wow,
Half the people have talked since this morning.

FML.

[14]
"Subsequently clicking post is like launching a doomsday's worth of nukes' equivalent in dopamine." -RB
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
April 21 2016 16:18 GMT
#243
17/40

On April 22 2016 01:06 GlowingBear wrote:
How much time do we have until deadline?


Just south of 6h15. 2330 BST, you're what, 2-3 hours behind?




Tictock any thoughts on Damdred?

Also re: your point on Tumbleweed, I would make the argument newer players really shouldn't be metaing people after a paltry 2 games played but I digress. This was Tumbleweed's post among a few defending LS:

On April 21 2016 01:36 Tumblewood wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 21 2016 00:50 Half the Sky wrote:
6/40

Shapelog, I'll rephrase the question.

Tumbleweed, on the basis you townread LS (and I argued why it was poor), why couldn't that same critieria also come from mafia?

That is mainly what I was trying to get at. I feel the bases for all his reads are pretty weak and I just don't know if that's his style (which you are contending) or whether he's actually mafia, the posts seem scummy to me.

Also regarding post 134, the inset is part of the reason I scumread LS, double standard. Also just because I vote someone doesn't mean it's final. If I have reason to second guess my thinking or I find a better lynch I can always unvote.

I think it's townie because that's the kind of post scum just ignores. After playing Storm and XX with him, I don't really scumread him for having bad reasons for his reads, because that seems to be NAI for him.


....which by my interpretation seems to incorporate some meta into it.

LS looks worse with every post IMO - and in response to his point about LS defending him - scum are very perfectly capable of defending townies when it suits their agenda.

I'm still looking at others in the event we need to consolidate - the votes are a shambles right now with 6h15 to go - but LS is my top lynch pick. By far.

Fidei had the issue with you possibly taking the Tumbleweed posts out of context. The posts you quoted earlier I didn't think were problematic.

The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
April 21 2016 16:28 GMT
#244
18/40

On April 22 2016 00:36 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 21 2016 23:17 Half the Sky wrote:
Koshi - read Shapelog's filter and tell me that DYH's conclusion on him isn't reasonable. He has ZERO concrete reads. Talking about himself doesn't make him scum but the argument that Shape isn't doing or saying anything alignment related with his posts is pretty spot on. I was hoping I'd have seen some clarification after I AFKed but not much in the way of that either.

The caveat on Damdred is reasonable.

My only concern with DYH is he's not commented on some of the others - at the very least I figured he could have weighed in on LS. There are a couple of other reasons why I think DYH could have posted the way he did but I want to see a bit more out of him.

The ceveat on Damdred is reasonable but it could also be that Damdred changed his view on HtS around the same time as I did.

But the part he said about Shape has nothing to do with what you said he did:
Show nested quote +
but the argument that Shape isn't doing or saying anything alignment related with his posts is pretty spot on.

Where did you see DYH make an argument on Shape that had anything to do with alignment related posts?

in my eyes mafia DYH looked for something to contribute and found himself writing down something completely NAI against Shape who just makes odd posts.


Anyway, point out to me where DYH made the argument that Shape is not making enough alignment related posts. He said nothing about that.


Koshi - let's break it down.

On April 21 2016 13:20 DoYouHas wrote:

[...]

Shape is the person I'm most suspicious of, doesn't seem to be doing much and his posts are overly self-conscious, especially for someone that hasn't been seriously pressured yet.

I'm a little worried about Damdred. He was very quick to help Koshi against HtS and seemed like he dropped the pressure as soon as Koshi(who I'm leaning town on) wasn't leading the charge anymore.


On April 21 2016 13:27 DoYouHas wrote:
Actually, I want to revise what I said about Shape. It isn't so much that he is self-conscious. It is more that he is just talking about himself a lot, even after the beginning posts.

Filtering LS to see if I want to sheep HtS.


The focus is "doesn't seem to be doing much" - implied is that he's not taking stances on whoever he's mentioning. He's not doing anything with the words he's saying. You can argue a few points against others in this game for the same thing but multiple people now had called out Shapelog for having no stances on people. Nothing committal until this last list post.

That said I'm not totally off DYH, like I said before commenting on others he hasn't mentioned yet would help me be able to better read him and weigh him against the other low volume posters for this game.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Fecalfeast
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada11355 Posts
April 21 2016 16:47 GMT
#245
I would like to vote and lynch sicklucker if he doesn't come back. HTS you're giving me weird tone feels right now it feels like you're talking down to everyone but maybe that's just me having only been awake 10 minutes
ModeratorINFLATE YOUR POST COUNT; PLAY TL MAFIA
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12968 Posts
April 21 2016 16:49 GMT
#246
Vote Count:


LightningStrike (1) - Half the Sky
Half the Sky (1) - LightningStrike
Tumblewood (1) - Tictock
Koshi (1) - sicklucker
DoYouHas (1) - Koshi

At the current vote, LightningStrike is to be lynched.
until deadline.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38797 Posts
April 21 2016 16:50 GMT
#247
"not doing much" is fucking super easy read to make as mafia. You going to townread him for that HTS?
I had a good night of sleep.
Fecalfeast
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada11355 Posts
April 21 2016 16:50 GMT
#248
OK what a vote count maybe we should start consolidating instead? If I was scum I would love to see so many single votes
ModeratorINFLATE YOUR POST COUNT; PLAY TL MAFIA
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38797 Posts
April 21 2016 16:53 GMT
#249
On April 22 2016 01:50 Fecalfeast wrote:
OK what a vote count maybe we should start consolidating instead? If I was scum I would love to see so many single votes

Nope. Because mafia atm doesn't know what might happen. So there is no problem atm.




Fucking disgusted atm by hts again defending somebody writing down so many things based on the fact this person said "X is not doing much". Like......... Which mafia has ever done less than make the super insightful read "X is not doing much"

God fucking damn.

+ Show Spoiler +
but the argument that Shape isn't doing or saying anything alignment related with his posts is pretty spot on.



The focus is "doesn't seem to be doing much" - implied is that he's not taking stances on whoever he's mentioning. He's not doing anything with the words he's saying. You can argue a few points against others in this game for the same thing but multiple people now had called out Shapelog for having no stances on people. Nothing committal until this last list post.
I had a good night of sleep.
Fidei86
Profile Joined May 2015
United Kingdom2116 Posts
April 21 2016 17:17 GMT
#250
[14/40]

That awkward feeling when the two most town read people in the game are you and Koshi ...

Seriously, people are TRing me for bad reasons left right and centre. Dani's explanation was basically "I don't use OGI in giving reads". TT didn't even give one. Shape's was "Lol he was scum last time".

Only Koshi's felt genuine.

On D1 I usually use an activity proxy pretty heavily for my vote, or at least for my initial votes (will consolidate if needed, obviously), and I'm still on gumshoe / GB. I'm only going easy on TT because I understand he has a bit of burn-out - previously he was definitely a tier 1 player.

My town circle right now is basically myself. I'm concerned.

I have only skimmed the last few pages. I have a client dinner this evening which could either finish early or blast past the deadline. I'm placing my vote on gumshoe in case my phone dies and I end up having to stay out till 3am.

##vote: gumshoe
Shapelog
Profile Joined November 2015
United States5184 Posts
April 21 2016 17:57 GMT
#251
On April 22 2016 01:00 Tictock wrote:
A few people asked why I left SL out of my "lynch list" earlier. It's weak but I felt like his first couple of posts were him trying to get the game going by throwing out an early vote. His last post reacting to GB's push felt kinda genuine as well.

His list post wasn't terrible and I kinda doubt he'd back off LS with the reasoning "hes so cute and trying hard" as scum.

So while SL is being very low key this game I'm not feeling like that is scum indicative.




Feeling ok about Fidei now as well. He seems like he is invested in solving the game.

I think HtS is town. Everything she's been posting looks to me like she is trying to question and evaluate people fairly. The only thing I see people scum reading her for was for her saying that activity is a bad way to read FF (she's right, it's usually a bad metric for anyone since both alignments can be lazy). I just don't see it, and she is putting out loads on content and several of her points have mirrored my own thinking so I'm inclined to believe she is town. At the very least I think she is a terrible D1 lynch given the effort/content she is making.




I think I'm going to take a nap or something then try to reread this game since it's pretty short.

Right now I'm inclined to think scum is in:
Shapelog - None of his posts have stuck out to me, he's kinda background noise
LS - Just feels off, feels like he's wasting posts and has very little to actually add
Tumblewood - that post where he says "me and LS are the people I'm thinking are town" really bugs me, and I really don't get why he's so sure on that townread on LS.
GB - All I see is him doing is tunneling SL for a silly point that never makes him mafia.

Tbh though I'm not really confident in any of my reads right now. Kinda thinking it might be a good idea to lynch into people who are not really contributing just so that later days become a bit easier and the game stays active. GB would be my pick if we go that route.

I really do not understand this. You had a case on Tumble, Has anything changed then from your case on Tumble -> this post? Because you felt like he was scum enough to vote in that post, and now you are not confident in the read here. And what sus. I can tell (obv I am not in your head) you have on him from now to the case is this:
He says:
Show nested quote +
me [Tumblewood] and LS and those are the only two people I'm thinking are town so far.


With pretty weak reasoning for the LS townread...

Which wasn't a huge part of your case. So I am kinda confused.
On April 22 2016 01:06 GlowingBear wrote:
How much time do we have until deadline?

How much time do I have to wait till that post ? Almost as bad as damdred "bomb" from nut (which I am still waiting for FYI)
About 5 hours from the time of this post
Seriously, people are TRing me for bad reasons left right and centre. Dani's explanation was basically "I don't use OGI in giving reads". TT didn't even give one. Shape's was "Lol he was scum last time".

?. That wasn't my reasoning, I just inculded that to be funny.
I think I played with this guy. Back when He rolled scum with NM and kmart (if that was him.) If so I SHALL NOT BE FOOLED AGAIN! I like a lot of his posts, and more so the way he is going around the game. I wouldn't lynch him D1

To be specific: Tone wise: The post where you were admitting to nothing, and moveover the post about LS curse. And this post. As I don't know of a scum who would go like that Content wise: #221 & #226.
"Subsequently clicking post is like launching a doomsday's worth of nukes' equivalent in dopamine." -RB
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
April 21 2016 18:01 GMT
#252
Unfortunately I'm busier than I thought I'd be. So I won't be playing today. I'm sorry.
I'm town, again. Please don't make the same mistake you guys have been doing these latest 3 games I was in.

I'm voting with Damdred because he is my strongest townread atm
I'm adorable.
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
April 21 2016 18:04 GMT
#253
I know the case on SL isn't the strongest. Although I think his attitude was suspicious, I only wanted to keep developing discussion. I also like to push a target in a way everything is explained in details, whatever slignment he is, because I think mafia has a hard time covering all aspects of their stories. Regardless if a post is NAI or AI, a hard push will almost always reveal inconsistencies if the player's intention is made up
I'm adorable.
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
April 21 2016 18:05 GMT
#254
WOW what a horrible spread. I think I'll try to put some effort while I have these 15 minutes to spare. Brb
I'm adorable.
Shapelog
Profile Joined November 2015
United States5184 Posts
April 21 2016 18:07 GMT
#255
On April 22 2016 03:01 GlowingBear wrote:
Unfortunately I'm busier than I thought I'd be. So I won't be playing today. I'm sorry.
I'm town, again. Please don't make the same mistake you guys have been doing these latest 3 games I was in.

I'm voting with Damdred because he is my strongest townread atm

NO! YOU WILL NOT PULL A GOD DAMM DAMDRED BOMB (AND VOTE WITH DAMDRED FOR MAX. BM) ON ME!

Ok your busy, can you Please Explain the DYH and Damdred reads and any other reads you have.

Do not do this to me dwag!

[16prob.]
"Subsequently clicking post is like launching a doomsday's worth of nukes' equivalent in dopamine." -RB
Shapelog
Profile Joined November 2015
United States5184 Posts
April 21 2016 18:15 GMT
#256
On April 22 2016 03:05 GlowingBear wrote:
WOW what a horrible spread. I think I'll try to put some effort while I have these 15 minutes to spare. Brb

Ninja'ed
"Subsequently clicking post is like launching a doomsday's worth of nukes' equivalent in dopamine." -RB
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
April 21 2016 18:26 GMT
#257
+ Show Spoiler +
Damdred

On April 20 2016 07:34 Damdred wrote:
Hello I'd advise everyone but koshi to put a number in your post so that you can keep a better check on them. Koshis just awesome enough he doesn't need it.

I think we should policy lynch hts for two reasons.

We have a pretty good chance to hit scum and she is probably drinking whiskey which is her scum drink of choice.

Fight against the powers and game mod tyranny of hts by striking her down here!

[1]


Awkward jokes from Damdred gives me scumvibes. Yet, this is illogical so I will just put this as NAI. Still, it's relevant for me to say I don't like this opening.

On April 20 2016 08:16 Damdred wrote:
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On April 20 2016 08:11 DoYouHas wrote:
You expressed an opinion about Plynching and then joke-scummed Damdred. The opinion has nothing to do with Damdred, he just prompted it.

Gum asked Damd to give him a reason to think HTS was more likely to be scum for real. Then, after his question is blown off with another joke, goes back to a joking tone and vote. It is the shift from a pressuring tone back to a joking tone for no reason that caught my eye.

Long explanation for a small feeling, but whatever.


This is actually a towny type thought dyh Ca do the town pile for now.

5


Same reaction I had to DYH post, which makes me think Damdred is likely to be town.

On April 20 2016 08:41 Damdred wrote:
It's not easy ring posts if I am putting reads into the game or was entering the game.

While it's true that scum like wasting posts so they do not have to post later in the phase I am probably doing half in the first then do 10 and saving 15 near eod. A post restrictive game doesn't have to be a dead game.

SL is obviously null

Town on gumshoe and on dyh (tentative on both for halfway meh reasons)

LS is sort of in the bottom half of null bordering on a scum lean. He entered the game bringing nothing new but rehashed something someone else said and making it look worse than it was. He could be scum.


Again, same reaction as me. Damdred is most likely town.

DoYouHas
On April 20 2016 08:11 DoYouHas wrote:
You expressed an opinion about Plynching and then joke-scummed Damdred. The opinion has nothing to do with Damdred, he just prompted it.

Gum asked Damd to give him a reason to think HTS was more likely to be scum for real. Then, after his question is blown off with another joke, goes back to a joking tone and vote. It is the shift from a pressuring tone back to a joking tone for no reason that caught my eye.

Long explanation for a small feeling, but whatever.


This post stroke me as town. I like the analysis DYH, it felt genuine and it's actually an okay suspicion.

- LightningStrike

On April 20 2016 08:18 LightningStrike wrote:
I finally got my prayers answered by RNGJesus and it got me town for the first time in a Lex game. I do fin the vote by gum kinda weird due to his reasoning. His rerasonig is pretty saying he doesn't want a Donald Trump in this game although I don't blame it might happen :\


I don't like this post from LS because it's clearly he got it was a joke from Damdred, then gumshoe's vote must also be a vote. It shouldn't be suspicious. Leaning scum.

On April 20 2016 08:50 LightningStrike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 20 2016 08:41 Damdred wrote:
It's not easy ring posts if I am putting reads into the game or was entering the game.

While it's true that scum like wasting posts so they do not have to post later in the phase I am probably doing half in the first then do 10 and saving 15 near eod. A post restrictive game doesn't have to be a dead game.

SL is obviously null

Town on gumshoe and on dyh (tentative on both for halfway meh reasons)

LS is sort of in the bottom half of null bordering on a scum lean. He entered the game bringing nothing new but rehashed something someone else said and making it look worse than it was. He could be scum.

I was just being blunt on what I thought thought Gumshoe had said and I was making it a tiny bit of a fun joke because I hate trump myself but his supporters are even worse :\
Anyways Gumshoe is likely town based on my only game playing with him in Storm with his style of posting matching his style of posting here. I really don't think a scum gumshoe would vote anyone this early in the game and breaking down a case like that.


Wow, suddenly gumshoe is likely town. After you were suspicious of his vote. A quick shift from the original suspicion. I don't like it.

On April 20 2016 09:43 LightningStrike wrote:
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On April 20 2016 09:32 Tictock wrote:
Oh cool, this started already.

I'll check in later when there is stuff to read.

kinda dislike this post because he blatantly doesn't want to stir up discussion.


Nitpicking. You're mafia.

- gumshoe
On April 20 2016 08:39 gumshoe wrote:
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On April 20 2016 08:00 DoYouHas wrote:
Huzzah, town this time.

It amuses me to see you all worried at the cap. To you it is a limit to be minded. To me it is a aspiration . You are all merely adopting low activity for a game. I was born in it, molded by it. I didn't see spam till I was nearly a man and by then it was naught to me but fluff.

-
Gumshoe is overplaying the jokes with Koshi and Damdred.


you assume I meant it as a joke : P

I didnt like how Damdred made an identical filler post twice,

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I think we should policy lynch hts for two reasons.

We have a pretty good chance to hit scum and she is probably drinking whiskey which is her scum drink of choice.

Fight against the powers and game mod tyranny of hts by striking her down here
!

he then wasted a second post saying the same thing / :

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Listen guys I just want to make Teamliquid great again.

A vote for hts is a vote for freedom.

I want to build a wall between this town and scum. So let's go.


I came into to this game looking for a specific kind of post from scum early. It would fill two cirterias.

1: it would be fluff (policy lynch)

2: it would be the kind of posts that draw in responses

drawing towns attention to a policy lynch based off joke reasons fits these 2 criteria, the goal of which is to burn posts from multiple townies concerning shit that is unreadable.

Also the serious questions in my first post to him are jokes, not because I meant them jokingly, but because the questions do not get meaningful answers, whereas the vote can actually get good responses.

so yeah, the vote was as series a vote as one can make on page 2 of a game of mafia.

the joke was a truth and the questions lead only to lies / :

also seeing damdred act a little forced at the start reminded me of this,

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the reason I want to go is because I think playing with different players elsewhere will get me out of this laxy funk I am in to some degree.

It would force me to play against players who don't know my meta and where I can't skate by on reputation.

shrug its a bit just for me instead of the community and I won't stand in the way of koshi either and I'll try to just work through some of the things I've talked through with some people.


(his reasoning for wanting to go to champions) I figure his current mindset is pushing him to make bigger plays as ether faction than he would typically.

new section- why gumshoe is wrong.

1: How else are people supposed to get stuff rolling aside from filler?-answer- meh

2: Why would damdred sweep into defend you if hes scum? answer-wifom? Yeah does seem like that was a good opportunity to pounce.

3: why didnt you bring this all up right away? - wanted to see how people would respond. not disappointed.

4: Whats wrong with trying hard? you do it all the time (except when you dont) -answer- meh

5: arent you wrong like six times a game gumshoe? -answer- shut up, this heres the one, gonna catch em all day 1 : P

overall case stability-3/10


Clearly a post to get discussion going. Town points.

On April 20 2016 08:46 gumshoe wrote:
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On April 20 2016 08:41 Damdred wrote:
It's not easy ring posts if I am putting reads into the game or was entering the game.

While it's true that scum like wasting posts so they do not have to post later in the phase I am probably doing half in the first then do 10 and saving 15 near eod. A post restrictive game doesn't have to be a dead game.

SL is obviously null

Town on gumshoe and on dyh (tentative on both for halfway meh reasons)

LS is sort of in the bottom half of null bordering on a scum lean. He entered the game bringing nothing new but rehashed something someone else said and making it look worse than it was. He could be scum.


admittedly it's not a very good case on you / : I'm just gonna assume I was flat out wrong,

##unvote
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You expressed an opinion about Plynching and then joke-scummed Damdred. The opinion has nothing to do with Damdred, he just prompted it.

Gum asked Damd to give him a reason to think HTS was more likely to be scum for real. Then, after his question is blown off with another joke, goes back to a joking tone and vote. It is the shift from a pressuring tone back to a joking tone for no reason that caught my eye.

Long explanation for a small feeling, but whatever.


this is about the opportunism I was expecting / : but it's not very strong and it doesn't feel like hes baiting someone else in to come after me, just posting his feels.

slight townie read

(5)


Bad backtracking. Do you want or you don't want to have discussion ongoing? It makes me feel you actually wanted to justify your vote to LS instead of just pushing a discussion further. Townie points taken away. Null leaning to scum.

On April 20 2016 09:16 gumshoe wrote:
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On April 20 2016 08:58 Fecalfeast wrote:
I think the only alignment indicative thing so far is gumshoe acting like there's been anything alignment indicative so far.

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-_- bitch, you know how I am

speaking of overanalysis

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I am only here to learn the ways of the low count poster. Well, I guess I am already failing, but w/e.

What is different between what I did, and what Gumshoe did?


I dont like how shape tries to bunch me and him together in turns of our posts. Likes hes defending himself through defending me, proxy wars op

slight scum lean.


Is this a joke? If it is a joke, you're wasting posts, something you called Damdred out for. Now if you're trying to develop discussion, you're just throwing suspicons everywhere, which isn't really great to be honest. One thing is to find something weak and suspicious and push it mostly for the sake of discussion. Other thing is to put suspicions everywhere, which is really easy to do as mafia. I don't like you in this game, gumshoe :/

- Tumblewood

On April 20 2016 14:38 Tumblewood wrote:
Shape, why did you use Damdred's obvious joke as an opportunity to discuss plynches? I know that he mentioned them, but your post was a non sequitur still. Please explain.


I like this questioning very much. Townie points.


This is the best I could do. It's from the very beginning of the game. I couldn't go further.

Basically, from what I've read, I'm at this point:

Damdred
DYH
Tumblewood


gumshoe
LightningStrike


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GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
April 21 2016 18:28 GMT
#258
On April 22 2016 03:07 Shapelog wrote:
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On April 22 2016 03:01 GlowingBear wrote:
Unfortunately I'm busier than I thought I'd be. So I won't be playing today. I'm sorry.
I'm town, again. Please don't make the same mistake you guys have been doing these latest 3 games I was in.

I'm voting with Damdred because he is my strongest townread atm

NO! YOU WILL NOT PULL A GOD DAMM DAMDRED BOMB (AND VOTE WITH DAMDRED FOR MAX. BM) ON ME!

Ok your busy, can you Please Explain the DYH and Damdred reads and any other reads you have.

Do not do this to me dwag!

[16prob.]



I've started the catch up. All the reasoning is in the spoilers.

Damdred townread is basically because he has the same vision of the game as me, usually, which makes him probably town.
DYH townread was because of that post that felt genuine. But it is a weak townread, I must say. After that, there was nothing memorable from him.
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GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
April 21 2016 18:54 GMT
#259
On April 20 2016 18:22 Tictock wrote:
I guess I should have expected a slow start in a post restrictive game.



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On April 20 2016 08:11 DoYouHas wrote:
You expressed an opinion about Plynching and then joke-scummed Damdred. The opinion has nothing to do with Damdred, he just prompted it.

Gum asked Damd to give him a reason to think HTS was more likely to be scum for real. Then, after his question is blown off with another joke, goes back to a joking tone and vote. It is the shift from a pressuring tone back to a joking tone for no reason that caught my eye.

Long explanation for a small feeling, but whatever.


This feels kinda nitpicky and more a narrative you are projecting on what Gum did than what actually happened



LS is a bit interesting, he's half joking but a bit too serious for the start of the game imo.

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On April 20 2016 08:50 LightningStrike wrote:
On April 20 2016 08:41 Damdred wrote:
It's not easy ring posts if I am putting reads into the game or was entering the game.

While it's true that scum like wasting posts so they do not have to post later in the phase I am probably doing half in the first then do 10 and saving 15 near eod. A post restrictive game doesn't have to be a dead game.

SL is obviously null

Town on gumshoe and on dyh (tentative on both for halfway meh reasons)

LS is sort of in the bottom half of null bordering on a scum lean. He entered the game bringing nothing new but rehashed something someone else said and making it look worse than it was. He could be scum.

I was just being blunt on what I thought thought Gumshoe had said and I was making it a tiny bit of a fun joke because I hate trump myself but his supporters are even worse :\
Anyways Gumshoe is likely town based on my only game playing with him in Storm with his style of posting matching his style of posting here. I really don't think a scum gumshoe would vote anyone this early in the game and breaking down a case like that.


He goes into defensive mode here pretty quick, and his stance on Gum does a 180 here. (He said his vote was weird before, but here he says scum!Gum prob wouldn't vote anyone this early) Though tbf Gum did make a WoT post between then, still kinda a sudden flop.

LS also way overuses that pic of the guy smoking a blunt in tinfoil, which I only mention kus it kinda bugs me... even if it's a good tinfoil pic.




Koshi and SL are both underwhelming to me atm, but meh.




Shape has me slightly worried due to the way he's setting up a posting style for himself. Prob not a good way to explain it.




I like Gum for the amount of content he's putting out and for having similar thoughts to my own.

That's about all I got for the moment. Well at least all I feel like sharing atm.


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Here TT notices the same thing as me on LS. He also seems to be thinking critically about every person in the game. Makes me feel he is most likely town. A weak read, but a town one
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GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
April 21 2016 18:59 GMT
#260
On April 20 2016 18:58 Koshi wrote:
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On April 20 2016 18:51 Fecalfeast wrote:
I think it's weird for everyone to have so many reads so early in the game, to be honest. It's tempting to townread everyone who's doing things right away but really anyone could give an opinion on everyone that's posted with sofew posts actually saying anything.


Basically a long winded way of saying IDK maybe town?


5 btw

Well. With limited posts people push out reads harder because they want other people to react on them and confirm their suspicion, or just pressure people with the reads, or further the game and spark discussion.

It's a good thing.

Also hard reading people town forces mafia to do shit because they might feel antsy if it is true.



tldr: I also wont lynch TT before I have at least 1 good reason to townread everybody else. That post was really good and set the bar high for everybody to follow.



I also townread Damdred for starting the game.


I dislike both LS and Shape. Doesn't mean they are mafia but their entrance was weak. But town can enter weak if they pick it up. Shape ending his 5 fluff posts with a pretty unimportant question and then fucking off for x hours is bad. LS is trying but not making waves.


I have issues with this post:
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On April 20 2016 10:44 Fecalfeast wrote:
Aw shit I agree with sicklucker I must be broken

Sounds townie but could so easily be made by mafia. Just like most post you make are pure reactionary and controlling. I don't remember you as somebody who is controlling the thread.


I dislike this post from Koshi. He points out problems with LS and Shape but doesn't conclude nothing from it. Then he proceeds to vote... Ta-da! Fecalfeast.
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