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One person I thought it was worth looking into a bit more is GB.
GB's case (if you can call it that) against SL is that SL called out Damdred for 'wasting posts'. His reasoning is okay, but it just feels like trying to make a mountain out of a molehill. I haven't played with SL, but I get the sense he often says/does stupid shit. In the same way, I'm not going to pick apart one thing LS says on day 1 and dissect it to the nth degree. I know he says stuff that sometimes doesn't make sense - he does it as both alignments.
The rest of his posts don't even seem to have a point. He says he has weak townreads on Damdred and DYH, but that's only vaguely interesting because he sort of defended Damdred earlier.
He said he doesn't have time to play (and I know I've been kind of AFK), but I could definitely vote GB here.
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On April 21 2016 22:28 Fidei86 wrote:
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Sorry for my inactivity guys. RL excuses. I have some time now for a little while, but chances are I won't be around at EOD / or at least I'll get home just around then.
@LS are you really saying that the only reason you're scum reading HTS is because she's pushing you and because you consider yourself an easy target? What about the other people who are pushing you (Koshi, for example)?
Koshi isn't really pushing me as hard as HTS, HTS knows I a easy target to pick on if she's scum(which I think she is) she also didn't really give much of a read on FF when she defended him vs Koshi(I don't think she really gave a read still to this point unless I missing it).
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@HTS I was a bit concerned to see you town read me for standard town meta. As far as I can see, my usual town meta is big long list post on D1 followed up with lots of messages IN ALL CAPS. In our last game where I was scum you were like "oh it's pretty suspicious that he isn't talking very much" - and in this game I've been pretty quiet.
If there's one person in the game I'd trust to soul read me, it's you. But I'm suspicious that you just basically echoed Koshi's read on me without even putting any real gloss on it.
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I'm a little bothered by the fact that there are 10 out of 13 North American players in this game and yet there was a disproportionately small amount of activity.
Damdred, I re-read what you posted after what I posted and I realised I completely misunderstood what you meant about hedging on me between today and tomorrow - I took that as hedging your bets on me. I'll address that and a few other things in another post.
I'm going to hit on LS's last two posts as being further problematic and why.
(1) In post 212, he dodges the question as to who else is scum (expand the spoiler) in spite of there being a shittone of content at this point from other people and
(2) his points about me putting more effort as scum does not in any way address the rebuttal I had in post 201.
LS, in case you missed it I'll highlight it yet again.
On April 21 2016 07:37 Half the Sky wrote:
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There's effort and quality of effort. I'll bring up LX since you are, and you should remember it well as I got you mislynched. That game, I had an agenda, I was squarely on you and Binks, the mislynches we needed to win the game. I ignored my scumbuddies, especially my roleblocker. Here, I'm not leaving any stone unturned, and I believe this is why Koshi saw townieness in that post (presumably) at least bringing attention to those under the radar.
Here's another question for you LS - let's say I lose the plot tonight and get modkilled. I will flip town.
Whom would you vote for then? I asked you about your only other scumread Tictock, and now you are townreading him (190).
So I flip town, where do you go from here?
(Damdred, same question for you since I'm your most likely vote, please.)
This has nothing to do with the amount of effort I'm putting in as either alignment and at best is a bad argument on your part.
This is not about level of effort, this is about my agenda as either alignment, which you are ignoring entirely.
Furthermore there are 3-5 players that at this stage are still not contributing a whole lot and the fact that you are saying jack all on a few of these makes me think pre-associative (yes I realise this), that there is a scum in this bunch and that you are trying to not give your teammates away if/when you should flip. This is why I asked you about other scummers - there are three in this game - and wanted to test the possibility of someone being completely tunnelled but this I feel is even less of the case.
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Rolf she just claimed scum gfuys. There is always one scum within me and HTS. HTS I challenge you to a 1v1 Death Match winner takes all this phase.
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On April 21 2016 22:40 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2016 22:28 Fidei86 wrote:
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Sorry for my inactivity guys. RL excuses. I have some time now for a little while, but chances are I won't be around at EOD / or at least I'll get home just around then.
@LS are you really saying that the only reason you're scum reading HTS is because she's pushing you and because you consider yourself an easy target? What about the other people who are pushing you (Koshi, for example)? Koshi isn't really pushing me as hard as HTS, HTS knows I a easy target to pick on if she's scum(which I think she is) she also didn't really give much of a read on FF when she defended him vs Koshi(I don't think she really gave a read still to this point unless I missing it).
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Buddy, I'm starting to think that the universe is playing a cruel joke on me. Every game we play together we're both town (pretty much). Every game I am utterly convinced that you are scum, and you never are.
But this is so bad. I have argued in previous games that people were pushing you questionably because you are an easy lynch. But in this game you've actually made points and arguments and generally playing a lot better than you have before. Nobody else (other than me) has accused you of being an easy lynch. And HTS' read on FF? Yeah, Koshi's point was fine. HTS elaborated a lot on a null read. But lots of people don't have reads on lots of people. Fuck, I barely have reads on anyone (and I'm town), but you haven't called me out on it.
Are you saying there's an association between FF and HTS?
The thing is, I don't think you're dumb enough as mafia to get into a shitfight with HTS this early on. You *know* she's probably a top 5 player on the site, and she always catches you. Unless you're being smart and trying to throw her radar off by going on the offensive.
Ugh.
Can people start saying who they plan to vote for? Right now I could lynch SL (inactivity), gumshoe or GB. I don't have the town feels about anyone in particular, but I can't see myself voting for either Koshi or HTS, if only because they've been active and coherent, and voting particularly active people off when my reads are as weak as they are seems dumb.
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I'm going to read TT's filter again now though.
@Dani - answer my questioning of you!
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##unvote
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reasoning is the read on Shape. I don't understand how that makes anybody scum. I don't understand how town DYH has Shape as his top scumread:
On April 21 2016 13:20 DoYouHas wrote:
Caught up. I'll filter dive tomorrow to really start sorting people before the deadline.
HtS is my top town read. I really liked how she pursued her scumleans on LS and TW. She kept talking to them. She wasn't trying to convince them that they were scum, but she was trying to get more information out of them. Implies to me that she cares more about solving than displaying her stances.
Shape is the person I'm most suspicious of, doesn't seem to be doing much and his posts are overly self-conscious, especially for someone that hasn't been seriously pressured yet.
I'm a little worried about Damdred. He was very quick to help Koshi against HtS and seemed like he dropped the pressure as soon as Koshi(who I'm leaning town on) wasn't leading the charge anymore.
On April 21 2016 13:27 DoYouHas wrote:
Actually, I want to revise what I said about Shape. It isn't so much that he is self-conscious. It is more that he is just talking about himself a lot, even after the beginning posts.
Filtering LS to see if I want to sheep HtS.
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On April 21 2016 22:48 Fidei86 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2016 22:40 LightningStrike wrote:On April 21 2016 22:28 Fidei86 wrote:
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Sorry for my inactivity guys. RL excuses. I have some time now for a little while, but chances are I won't be around at EOD / or at least I'll get home just around then.
@LS are you really saying that the only reason you're scum reading HTS is because she's pushing you and because you consider yourself an easy target? What about the other people who are pushing you (Koshi, for example)? Koshi isn't really pushing me as hard as HTS, HTS knows I a easy target to pick on if she's scum(which I think she is) she also didn't really give much of a read on FF when she defended him vs Koshi(I don't think she really gave a read still to this point unless I missing it). [11/40] Buddy, I'm starting to think that the universe is playing a cruel joke on me. Every game we play together we're both town (pretty much). Every game I am utterly convinced that you are scum, and you never are. But this is so bad. I have argued in previous games that people were pushing you questionably because you are an easy lynch. But in this game you've actually made points and arguments and generally playing a lot better than you have before. Nobody else (other than me) has accused you of being an easy lynch. And HTS' read on FF? Yeah, Koshi's point was fine. HTS elaborated a lot on a null read. But lots of people don't have reads on lots of people. Fuck, I barely have reads on anyone (and I'm town), but you haven't called me out on it. Are you saying there's an association between FF and HTS? The thing is, I don't think you're dumb enough as mafia to get into a shitfight with HTS this early on. You *know* she's probably a top 5 player on the site, and she always catches you. Unless you're being smart and trying to throw her radar off by going on the offensive. Ugh. Can people start saying who they plan to vote for? Right now I could lynch SL (inactivity), gumshoe or GB. I don't have the town feels about anyone in particular, but I can't see myself voting for either Koshi or HTS, if only because they've been active and coherent, and voting particularly active people off when my reads are as weak as they are seems dumb.
If FF is scum it would be with HTS but right now FF could be town for now. To be fair you didn't even post much so there was no substance really. I actually put HTS as probably only in the Top 15(above me) but only probably #6 for scum(lex, Damdred, Palmar,Rels, and Tina are higher than her as scum players). In our history I had shown be a lynchbait as town hence my argument. I going to not post that much until towards EoD due to not having a lot of posts left.
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On April 21 2016 22:42 Fidei86 wrote:
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@HTS I was a bit concerned to see you town read me for standard town meta. As far as I can see, my usual town meta is big long list post on D1 followed up with lots of messages IN ALL CAPS. In our last game where I was scum you were like "oh it's pretty suspicious that he isn't talking very much" - and in this game I've been pretty quiet.
If there's one person in the game I'd trust to soul read me, it's you. But I'm suspicious that you just basically echoed Koshi's read on me without even putting any real gloss on it.
Here's the thing - I'm aware of your RL commitments in and out of the office. I will not ever talk about people's RL excuses unless OGI is the difference between them getting lynched or not. Right now, that's not the case, you aren't in any way up for lynch. And you almost certainly have even less time to play than you did when I last played with you as town (namely Dark Tournament). I am weighting that into the quality of your play now, in fact your last re-entry post, I am pretty sure I can guess as to why your play is more sporadic. So I'm simply going by what you already have out. "Standard town meta" was probably a VERY poor way of wording that, but what I felt you had out was well within my expectations given your RL commitments. Additionally, you displayed some caution with some of the other tentative players (Tictock, LS) for similar reasons.
Also my reads can change. I'm aware for instance, that as mafia, you fall off quite hard. 
Tumbleweed, I'm giving you the BoD based on my reading what you had in Storm Mafia and XX for Day 1 and then seeing what you had through post 144. It's reasonable enough for a D1 lean, though based on those two games I'm probably going to weigh more heavily your play in subsequent days.
I'd like to see you look a bit more into some of the lower volume posters though and take a stance either way, I realise it's Day 1 but there has been some content at least from DYH and sicklucker.
sicklucker, I went through your post and I have a few questions
(1) Why is Tictock strong?
(2) LS has faked his meta as mafia (which you allude to as cute) in Cell Mafia. Give me something more concrete as to why he's town
(3) Shapelog hasn't made concrete reads - that should tell you something. His filter isn't very long...
(4) Expand on GB's scum meta of pushing you - I've played with you both quite a bit and I'm completely unaware of it.
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Does anyone else get the sense that TT really doesn't believe his push on Tumble? I mean, it's not like Tumble has said anything particularly egregious. The whole thing made me feel like TT wanted to find a target and so just pulled things out of every post Tumble made and span them negatively.
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(Note to everyone: I am going to be consolidating posts like crazy, because quite frankly I have a lot to say.)
LightningStrike
On April 21 2016 22:44 LightningStrike wrote:
Rolf she just claimed scum gfuys. There is always one scum within me and HTS. HTS I challenge you to a 1v1 Death Match winner takes all this phase.
And you refuse to answer the question again. If the Duel mechanic were available I'd 100% have done it. But since it's not I'll ask the question YET AGAIN.
Assume Artanis and/or Hapahauli modkill me. I will flip town. There are three mafia in this game.
Even if I'm mafia in your eyes there have to be two more mafia and your hesitance to name them is quite troubling. You were given multiple chances to answer this question and I'm not terribly impressed by using the post count excuse to defer on the question especially when Artanis has given a posting bonus in the ultimate hour of the cycle.
Fidei
On April 21 2016 23:01 Fidei86 wrote:
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Does anyone else get the sense that TT really doesn't believe his push on Tumble? I mean, it's not like Tumble has said anything particularly egregious. The whole thing made me feel like TT wanted to find a target and so just pulled things out of every post Tumble made and span them negatively.
I called this into question last night. I wanted him to explain that as well.
Koshi - read Shapelog's filter and tell me that DYH's conclusion on him isn't reasonable. He has ZERO concrete reads. Talking about himself doesn't make him scum but the argument that Shape isn't doing or saying anything alignment related with his posts is pretty spot on. I was hoping I'd have seen some clarification after I AFKed but not much in the way of that either.
The caveat on Damdred is reasonable.
My only concern with DYH is he's not commented on some of the others - at the very least I figured he could have weighed in on LS. There are a couple of other reasons why I think DYH could have posted the way he did but I want to see a bit more out of him.
Tumbleweed
I noticed you are townreading Tictock for more or less effort. However, Tictock has put effort into his games as scum. Reference Holy Guardians Chapter 1 - he carried the scum team there, and The Nutcracker game - he was putting in quite a bit of effort until the DT redchecked him in mylo.
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On April 21 2016 23:17 Half the Sky wrote:16/40 (Note to everyone: I am going to be consolidating posts like crazy, because quite frankly I have a lot to say.)LightningStrikeShow nested quote +On April 21 2016 22:44 LightningStrike wrote:
Rolf she just claimed scum gfuys. There is always one scum within me and HTS. HTS I challenge you to a 1v1 Death Match winner takes all this phase. And you refuse to answer the question again. If the Duel mechanic were available I'd 100% have done it. But since it's not I'll ask the question YET AGAIN. Assume Artanis and/or Hapahauli modkill me. I will flip town. There are three mafia in this game. Even if I'm mafia in your eyes there have to be two more mafia and your hesitance to name them is quite troubling. You were given multiple chances to answer this question and I'm not terribly impressed by using the post count excuse to defer on the question especially when Artanis has given a posting bonus in the ultimate hour of the cycle.
FideiShow nested quote +On April 21 2016 23:01 Fidei86 wrote:
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Does anyone else get the sense that TT really doesn't believe his push on Tumble? I mean, it's not like Tumble has said anything particularly egregious. The whole thing made me feel like TT wanted to find a target and so just pulled things out of every post Tumble made and span them negatively. I called this into question last night. I wanted him to explain that as well.
Koshi - read Shapelog's filter and tell me that DYH's conclusion on him isn't reasonable. He has ZERO concrete reads. Talking about himself doesn't make him scum but the argument that Shape isn't doing or saying anything alignment related with his posts is pretty spot on. I was hoping I'd have seen some clarification after I AFKed but not much in the way of that either. The caveat on Damdred is reasonable. My only concern with DYH is he's not commented on some of the others - at the very least I figured he could have weighed in on LS. There are a couple of other reasons why I think DYH could have posted the way he did but I want to see a bit more out of him.
TumbleweedI noticed you are townreading Tictock for more or less effort. However, Tictock has put effort into his games as scum. Reference Holy Guardians Chapter 1 - he carried the scum team there, and The Nutcracker game - he was putting in quite a bit of effort until the DT redchecked him in mylo.
If you not mafia maybe DYH he did buddied me very hard in Newbie Student XX and I am cautious about him this game. If I wrong on anyone it would TW but I really doubt it because I did push him for the same reasons you were pushing him when he was town. + Show Spoiler +Or Lex Hapa, and Tina are the scum team then ya.
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Liking Fidei right now. 9.5/10 would not lynch
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On April 21 2016 23:17 Half the Sky wrote:
Koshi - read Shapelog's filter and tell me that DYH's conclusion on him isn't reasonable. He has ZERO concrete reads. Talking about himself doesn't make him scum but the argument that Shape isn't doing or saying anything alignment related with his posts is pretty spot on. I was hoping I'd have seen some clarification after I AFKed but not much in the way of that either.
The caveat on Damdred is reasonable.
My only concern with DYH is he's not commented on some of the others - at the very least I figured he could have weighed in on LS. There are a couple of other reasons why I think DYH could have posted the way he did but I want to see a bit more out of him.
The ceveat on Damdred is reasonable but it could also be that Damdred changed his view on HtS around the same time as I did.
But the part he said about Shape has nothing to do with what you said he did:
but the argument that Shape isn't doing or saying anything alignment related with his posts is pretty spot on.
Where did you see DYH make an argument on Shape that had anything to do with alignment related posts?
in my eyes mafia DYH looked for something to contribute and found himself writing down something completely NAI against Shape who just makes odd posts.
Anyway, point out to me where DYH made the argument that Shape is not making enough alignment related posts. He said nothing about that.
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I don't agree with DYH's read on Shape, but I don't fault him for it because AFAIK they haven't played together.
Looks like Shape is doing standard Shape stuff so far, but pls actually put yourself out there with some reads.
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I was asked how the 5 extra posts at deadline work.
The 5 extra posts are active only during the last hour of the day. They are automatically used when posting during it. Once you run out of these posts, you will resume with using the original 40 if you still have any left.
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A few people asked why I left SL out of my "lynch list" earlier. It's weak but I felt like his first couple of posts were him trying to get the game going by throwing out an early vote. His last post reacting to GB's push felt kinda genuine as well.
His list post wasn't terrible and I kinda doubt he'd back off LS with the reasoning "hes so cute and trying hard" as scum.
So while SL is being very low key this game I'm not feeling like that is scum indicative.
Feeling ok about Fidei now as well. He seems like he is invested in solving the game.
I think HtS is town. Everything she's been posting looks to me like she is trying to question and evaluate people fairly. The only thing I see people scum reading her for was for her saying that activity is a bad way to read FF (she's right, it's usually a bad metric for anyone since both alignments can be lazy). I just don't see it, and she is putting out loads on content and several of her points have mirrored my own thinking so I'm inclined to believe she is town. At the very least I think she is a terrible D1 lynch given the effort/content she is making.
I think I'm going to take a nap or something then try to reread this game since it's pretty short.
Right now I'm inclined to think scum is in:
Shapelog - None of his posts have stuck out to me, he's kinda background noise
LS - Just feels off, feels like he's wasting posts and has very little to actually add
Tumblewood - that post where he says "me and LS are the people I'm thinking are town" really bugs me, and I really don't get why he's so sure on that townread on LS.
GB - All I see is him doing is tunneling SL for a silly point that never makes him mafia.
Tbh though I'm not really confident in any of my reads right now. Kinda thinking it might be a good idea to lynch into people who are not really contributing just so that later days become a bit easier and the game stays active. GB would be my pick if we go that route.
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How much time do we have until deadline?
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Actually I might want to add DYH to that list simply because I completely forgot he was in this game.
And screw trying to make this a content rich post, I doubt I'm ever getting close to 40 posts this cycle.
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