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On March 25 2016 07:28 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2016 07:25 ritoky wrote:On March 25 2016 07:24 Rels wrote:On March 25 2016 07:22 ritoky wrote:On March 25 2016 07:19 Kurumi wrote:On March 25 2016 07:15 ritoky wrote:
holy fuck it was not badly thought out. screw everyone who thinks so. that plan is really fucking good. execution dumpster tier? yes. but that plan is amazing, will defend it to no end. do not give any fucks. You do know that hard setups like to have additional conditional KP? Like Assassins? You could've put us into a quite a pickle. who cares if 2 blues die if you have idk....8 semi-confirmed townies operating as a voting block.....do you seriously undervalue townies knowing with 95% certainty who eachother are that much...just absolutely mindblowing.... people are so opposed to making plays for terrible reasons and they are eeyores about it on top of it. Yeah exactly, so why did you out when you had 1 non VT and 1 maybe VT ? because the car picture wasn't getting enough traction on it's own and it was too ambiguous and people didn't care. i wanted to indicate i was making a play to others. in reality simply closing the thread and leaving it sitting there would have had the same or greater effect over time as jat said, but i have trouble remaining inactive This doesn't explain the "Damdred is blue" thing
you're being so thick it is painful. blue or red, not blue firstly. and it is an indicator of differentiated response to the play i am making hey look at this VT response, look at this non-VT response. HEY ALL VTs I AM MAKING A PLAY AROUND US, READ YOUR FUCKING ROLE PM AND UNDERSTAND WHAT IS HAPPENING.
that didn't happen. blew my wad. should have closed the thread.
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slam you ready to take our joint anger out on some random fantasy goons in liquidia? earn some money too?
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On March 25 2016 07:33 Kurumi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2016 07:26 ritoky wrote:On March 25 2016 07:24 Kurumi wrote:
Wait why 8? cuz i picked a random fucking large number Is it really that huge? 21 players total. 4 probably Mafia. 17 players left. 8 players believe that they are Town. You still have 9 Townies not sharing that sentiment. That's excluding possible 3rd party shenanigans and different Mafia size (I could see it being 5 even). It does not seem that huge. Because it is 8 players analysing 13 players, you are much more likely to down or out a blue. This would probably result in last minute switch shenanigans and disorder. This would lead to Mafia having even more information. In that 8, you could have three Mafia who figured out that it is a good idea to get on that Ford Wave and now you have 5 townies believing strongly that 3 players are Townie, but are actually Mafia. Mafia creates lynch after lynch, blue blood is the last sight of the day, blue blood is the first sight of the day and since this setup is about being careful, I don't see it being good.
you're right because so many people were so easily able to identify what i was doing. and mafia always play perfectly, especially immediately at the start of the game when worried about thread entrance. infiltration was a HUGE RISK. man i was stupid to ever consider what i was doing. thank you.
not.
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On March 25 2016 07:34 Damdred wrote:
Whatever this is pointless
Then am I mafia ritoky
you're blue red or black. not green. if you think i am mafia then i am inclined toward red or black.
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On March 25 2016 07:34 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2016 07:30 ritoky wrote:On March 25 2016 07:28 Rels wrote:On March 25 2016 07:25 ritoky wrote:On March 25 2016 07:24 Rels wrote:On March 25 2016 07:22 ritoky wrote:On March 25 2016 07:19 Kurumi wrote:On March 25 2016 07:15 ritoky wrote:
holy fuck it was not badly thought out. screw everyone who thinks so. that plan is really fucking good. execution dumpster tier? yes. but that plan is amazing, will defend it to no end. do not give any fucks. You do know that hard setups like to have additional conditional KP? Like Assassins? You could've put us into a quite a pickle. who cares if 2 blues die if you have idk....8 semi-confirmed townies operating as a voting block.....do you seriously undervalue townies knowing with 95% certainty who eachother are that much...just absolutely mindblowing.... people are so opposed to making plays for terrible reasons and they are eeyores about it on top of it. Yeah exactly, so why did you out when you had 1 non VT and 1 maybe VT ? because the car picture wasn't getting enough traction on it's own and it was too ambiguous and people didn't care. i wanted to indicate i was making a play to others. in reality simply closing the thread and leaving it sitting there would have had the same or greater effect over time as jat said, but i have trouble remaining inactive This doesn't explain the "Damdred is blue" thing you're being so thick it is painful. blue or red, not blue firstly. and it is an indicator of differentiated response to the play i am making hey look at this VT response, look at this non-VT response. HEY ALL VTs I AM MAKING A PLAY AROUND US, READ YOUR FUCKING ROLE PM AND UNDERSTAND WHAT IS HAPPENING. that didn't happen. blew my wad. should have closed the thread. Meh. Will sleep on it and reread the game tomorrow. Like, this is maybe believable but the plan is so bad and you don't admit it and you're a super good player, especially regarding mechanics ... it's a closed setup with maybe crazy roles, no way is it a good idea to out blues. And it's also difficult for you to think scum wouldn't have the VT fakeclaim. Read on VA ?
VA is townish cuz he thinks rsoul is mafia and is right cuz she is.
and the plan is fucking good, it is not bad. honestly so dumb if you think it is bad. it is at worst a wash and at best massively townsided. yeah angle shooting is kinda shady so i can understand people not liking it on principle, but not because it is a bad idea, which it is not.
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On March 25 2016 07:42 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2016 07:39 Tubesock wrote:On March 25 2016 07:27 ritoky wrote:On March 25 2016 07:26 Tubesock wrote:
Ritoky is arguing why communism is such a great idea on paper. communism is not good on paper. socialism is good on paper. Same same. You earlier town read Sicklucker. Can you elaborate? Maybe Obi also. I guess in one of your last lists you had SL above Vivax who fell for town reads (you didn't like his reads?) and then Obi as mid tier town. Anyway, taking away the blue hunting I think Ritoky is town. And I do believe him about his plan. This isn't to say I trust him, but he's not going to be on the D1 lynch list. I like the Sandroba plynch. ##Vote: Sandroba This is a pathetic copout vote.
first thing you've said in pages that i have agreed with.
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already answered that a couple posts ago SL. gotta start setting up the stream for saga, so busy now.
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vote on rsoul, she's mafia. or y'know....vote on a scum read of yours who actually posted in the thread and won't just be resolved by any smart PR.
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On March 25 2016 07:52 Damdred wrote:
That wasn't the question Ritoky the question is give your actual read on me.
My read on you is already in my filter so let's have it and give up on this red blue or black keep it simple town scum etc.
me giving a real read on you day 1 literally got me hard pocketed last game so i am going back to my old strat of night 1 earliest solid read on you
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traveled for the holiday weekend. busy with family, will read as available
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kurumi's post before the flip made me lose brain cells.....it is very bad, maybe so bad that it has to come from town.
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i just got 20 minutes alone to read the thread mang. i had to work, then drive 12 hrs to canada for the holiday weekend; i am making a case as we speak. hold your color.
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Why rsoultin is mafia and everyone who didn't vote on her should feel bad:
1) Her read on LS -
On March 22 2016 09:23 LightningStrike wrote:
/in Student game taking to long to fill. Pregame excuse: I changing play styles due to my last scum breaking my meta.
This is LS's comment immediately upon signing up for the game. He expressly states that he is deliberately and consciously trying to change his play; regardless of if he is being successful or not, he has openly stated that the way he is playing is more considered and deliberate than before. As a result of this, people should naturally be wary of using meta reads on LS or old metrics since he is clearly trying to break those notions. Rsoul does not heed this, she has been hard defending him for tonal and meta reasons since his first 5 posts; the exact type of reads she should be wary of making when LS is trying to break those exact reads. On top of that, she has shown no indication of judging if his gameplay outside of this immediate read is town or mafia. The entirety of her read is based on something she should be skeptical of if she were town. The read is bullshit.
2) Meta - In her previous game as mafia, of which I was hosting, she tunneled very hard on 1 person with minimal reasoning and tried to shove the narrative down everyone's throat; constantly repeating the same lines, never re-evaluating, and never adding anything in terms of why that player is mafia. She is doing the same here with me. Here are quotes from the previous game:
On February 17 2016 09:32 rsoultin wrote:
not lynching the truffle ^^ he sounded like a truffle
what does a truffle sound like?
truffle sounds like a truffle in this game
#circularreasoningftw
also not lynching a breshke...so i saw the points on shapelog, eden...the thing that was bugging me about his posting was it almost seemed over the top, like he's trying to sound cheery when he isn't. also, he clearly didn't understand what you were getting at lol >< if he didn't realize that any millers in the game would be aware millers
disclaimer: i don't think i've ever played with shapelog, so the toneread is meh probably. for those who have played with him, is he always this OMG OMG sunshine!!! hahahaha!
2nd disclaimer: dumbtell lol...of course scum can also fail to read the op but eh
On February 17 2016 11:28 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2016 11:22 Trfel wrote:
I wasn't asking for an explanation, I was mentioning something that I thought was funny....
Anyway, I'm nearly caught up, so then I can go through the thread and once again completely fail to find mafia! Looking forward to it!
Does anyone have someone they'd like me to give additional attention to? Maybe sicklucker and Palmar? lol >< no one is commenting on my shape toneread it's making me itch
On February 17 2016 11:39 rsoultin wrote:
yeah that wasn't well-organized, even for me lol ><
shape is my preferred lynch who i'm trying to get people to talk about
and scott i want to hear more from but he's the other
there ^^ that's better
also i think i like tumble, at least enough to remove him from the d1 lynch pool
On February 17 2016 12:00 rsoultin wrote:
can we lynch shape?
-bats lashes at-
alternatively, if we're lynching players with pre-game excuses, gb is always fun to lynch lol
On February 17 2016 12:08 rsoultin wrote:
idk, like i could lynch into
shape
scott
gb
shining
but tbh the only ones i actually suspect are shape and scott...the other two are just eh to me. fine defaults if we can't find/agree on anything better. they're null-to-scummy as opposed to just null
On February 18 2016 01:18 rsoultin wrote:
:/ i resent that, scott
shape is mafia cause tone (i.e. forced) which even he admits and cause i can't seem to get half the game to even talk about him though i mentioned my read like half a dozen times @.@
bresh started so yay bresh! and i think truffle looked briefly too if i recall
It continues, you get the picture. In her previous mafia game, she made an early read based on shape's "tone"; never re-evaluated or considered any of his other play throughout the remainder of the day, then just kept repeating how he was mafia and how he was mafia for that. Meanwhile shape had ~6 pages of content. Now I have less pages, but it is not like I have a deficiency of reads or content in my filter for which to consider; however much like she did with shape in her previous game. She has made a read based on 1 thing, not evaluated anything else about me, then just spam repeated "lynch rit". It is precisely the same pattern as her previous day 1 as mafia.
3) She is neglecting her own read on me - This one probably won't work for anyone else, and I don't have a quote to support. But rsoul had previously reached the point with me (before she switched more to hosting than to playing) where she believed every time she read me town I was mafia, and vice versa; and had surmised flipping her read was the best way to read me. It was then successful for her for I think 2 games? So why did she stop doing it here? She has a read that is historically successful, but elects to neglect it and vehemently neglect it simply because I made a play around angle shooting VT role names? Not buying it.
4) The votes on her - I know I am VT, I am extremely confident that sandroba and superbia are town. I think SL, VA, and shape have a decent to high shot of being town. That is 6 town.... Now even assuming that my town reads have gaps and there are sneakster mafia, I think 1 of those at most is mafia. 5 town at least on rsoul is a really good indicator for me.
5) Lack of Scope early - Rsoul had no real inclinations to try and determine anyone's alignments early. She just had no read on nearly 3/4 of the game and wasn't doing anything to try and inform reads either. I made a post on March 24th and 12:56 PDT calling her out for her lack of scope and depth in her reads. Here are her only reads prior to me making that post:
LS, vivax - town for meta
SL - maybe town for meta
slam - policy -> okay with lynch
shape - mafia cuz omgus
rit - mafia
over 24 hours into the game, a player dead, and 6 reads that she has committed to, I would say 4 of which are simply meta, tone, or have 0 depth to them. The only 2 she really went to length to explain are vivax and me. Sorry, but rsoul has much more depth to her play and tries to figure out a lot more people's alignments as town; She has additional information that is why she isn't trying to solve the game as hard; and I think that additional information stems from being mafia.
6) Activity under pressure - After votes begin piling up on her, she begins saying things like "you're not lynching me today" and "you're wasting your time discussing me today"; and begins spamming activity as a response. However, rather than trying to direct that activity and a lynch onto basically the only person she has show a deep and passionate scum read on; she defers to a low hanging fruit (who just posted something so dumb it is probably town). It feels like she is targeting "the lynch I can get" rather than "the lynch I want/believe in". Townies always aim for the lynch they believe in and consult practicality or feasibility later; to me, rsoul is considering saving herself and the lynch she can get first, which is not a town mindset, it is survivalist and almost certainly from mafia.
7) Too many wafflers/defenders considering her play - This is just my own heuristic or metric, but there are far too many people who have no opinion or a positive opinion of her that I grasp or they have explained than her play thus far has warranted.
+ Show Spoiler +Special tinfoil: no kills last night, if she is a kp carrier, i would imagine she is a high priority RB target considering the vote
There's a couple other tiny things, but people don't like my grammar reads or nitpicking word choice shit and it hardly convinces anyone so I will just keep those points to myself and leave this here. She's very VERY likely mafia.
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unfortunately that post consumed all of my time as i have to get dressed all fancy to go to some french restaurant where i am sure they cook everything in wine so i can't eat hardly any of it with my in-laws. i should have some time available late tonight for people's responses to that case.
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i am present, most people are beginning to go to sleep.
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On March 27 2016 09:40 rsoultin wrote:
Unfortunate shot :/
Phone posting. I'm town, guys. If you need a rebuttal I'll get to it when I'm at a computer but the short version is basically:
1. LS is objectively shimmy lynchbait. Not using other means to read him is retarded.
2. Only valid if I don't latch onto scumreads d1 and push the shot out of them as town. I do. Bad meat is bad.
3. Irrelevant. The town mindset is missing behind his play and a play like that has nothing to do with how I normally read him + he's just been calling me scrum and associating from there. What amazing content?
4. Rit is scum. Invalid.
5. Untrue. Will prove if have to but don't feel that's needed.
6. Consolidating on a scrum or non-town read over getting lynched is never a mafia tell, and I have a long history of doing that whether getting lynched or not.
7. I'm town so whatever lol ><
1. I content read LS as mafia last game and everyone told me to get bent for stupid read reasons. I don't think he is being that dissimilar in terms of content this game, particularly that he is taking information and giving little to none back. And he is deliberately trying to stop being lynch bait...what you're saying is essentially "I do not believe LS is capable of play variance so my read doesn't need to change", which may be true I don't know, but is also incredibly disrespectful and easily exploited.
On an unrelated note rels exited last game having hard defended LS for the "caps lock" read and promised to never fall for it again and be vastly more critical of LS moving forward. To which I ask, where the hell has that been thus far?
2. Except when they post reads or more stuff, you talk about it as town, interact with them further, compound their new information to build a stronger case; you don't just repeat the same tired line 85x.
3. Have you even clicked my filter? I think it has more words in it than yours, maybe you didn't click the spoilers in some posts. I may be low post count this game, but lack of content isn't a problem in my filter; you're electing to ignore it and your own read.
4. This is why it is hard for me to get out of this tunnel. Because you just saw me make this post, and not for a second did you consider an alternative. It is simply, "everything is wrong, omgus you're mafia cuz of angle shooting". I think I am very obvious and near confirmed town post-vigi shot; your lack of ever considering an alternative is not good for you.
5. I mean, I clicked your filter and went through all your posts and you had some other "reads" that were full of maybes and wafflings or irrelevant comments. Those were the only actual reads that stated anything definitive.
6. It's the mindset, townies go for the lynch they believe in, not the lynch that they can get. Plus you're tied/leading when you afk the thread; and I assume you're claiming blue soon. So if you're worried about dying and have to leave why aren't you claiming there? Maybe you weren't all that worries cuz goon squad was behind you.
7. 2 points dodged.
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On March 27 2016 11:20 sandroba wrote:
Rsoul, why is shooting you would be "a really bad idea"?
So far you claimed a role that you apparently don't know what it does, it can simply do nothing. Or another reason for not shoot you is because you are an extremelly valuable town asset, which I'm not seeing either.
This. Very much this. Your role is effectively useless without its counterpart which is someone you don't know and who could be of the opposite alignment? You don't know what your role is capable of; but it is a "really bad idea" to shoot you or lynch you? Also when your role is this convoluted to the point where even if you claimed it in the thread no one would really know what the hell it does and if you're a priority night kill; why don't you claim it when you're tied in votes and have to leave the thread?
That said I have slightly softened based on the content of the claim because it almost seems so wonky it might be true...but her play and the method of claim and everything about this stinks.....ugh I wanna conf bias so hard on this.
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On March 27 2016 15:46 Alakaslam wrote:
I haven't received any mod notes but I had to take a shower and thought sorry I fly off the handle I deal with shit but so does everyone I have no reason or right to hold grudges
It's fine slam, stress and loss can make even the most upstanding into belligerents. As long as you walk forward without malice in your heart, I am sure there won't be any issues.
Game related though; did you read the sandroba claimed the only nk and is claiming vig? or was your read made without that information?
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@OWS can I get reads from you? You chime in at times with comments that are very mind-meldy for me; but then I clicked your filter and realized I don't really know what you think about much of anything.
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gonna work on the episode summary for liquidia cuz i said i would do that, will refresh every so often in case ppl are here and talk to me.
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