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Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
March 28 2016 18:57 GMT
#2181
On March 29 2016 03:47 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Vivax what do you think of tumblewood and his most recent "lynch both wagons and leave" attitude?

I couldn't possibly lynch both wagons. I see a high probability of scum v. scum or svt. Scum can thank me for providing an alternative to lynching their scumbuddy.
good times for all
Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
March 28 2016 19:16 GMT
#2198
On March 29 2016 03:47 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Vivax what do you think of tumblewood and his most recent "lynch both wagons and leave" attitude?

I couldn't possibly lynch both wagons. I see a high probability of scum v. scum or svt. Scum can thank me for providing an alternative to lynching their scumbuddy.
good times for all
Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
March 28 2016 21:39 GMT
#2384
I can be on from now until a minute before deadline. I didn't vote Koshi, so the vote count is wrong. I will answer anything that I can do on a phone.
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Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
March 28 2016 21:41 GMT
#2387
On my wagon, tt and va are scum.
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Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
March 28 2016 21:43 GMT
#2399
On March 29 2016 06:41 Damdred wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 29 2016 06:39 Tumblewood wrote:
I can be on from now until a minute before deadline. I didn't vote Koshi, so the vote count is wrong. I will answer anything that I can do on a phone.


Your going to die why should I switch to someone else?

Because I'm town and rsoul is not
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Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
March 28 2016 21:52 GMT
#2431
I actually really dig the tt wagon if it happens, because that would mean several people stopped pushing a ML that was winning out. As long as your words are backed with votes, count me in.
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Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
March 28 2016 21:57 GMT
#2461
On March 29 2016 06:53 Damdred wrote:
Give reads tumble last will

Scum team = rsoul, va, tt, one of super and ls
Town circle = reps, jat, vivax, everyone on rsoul, and maybe sand, koshi, and you
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Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
March 29 2016 03:18 GMT
#2776
100% confirmed town forever
Damdred
Vivax
Rels
Alakaslam/scott31337

Also probably town
justanothertownie
sandroba
sicklucker
Shapelog

Not lynching
ObiWanShinobi
ritoky
LightningStrike

Scum pool 1
Kurumi
Koshi

Scum pool 2
VayneAuthority
rsoultin
Superbia

On the brink of death, I had one moment of clarity. + Show Spoiler +
that was so cheesy
Several people cleared their names entirely, leaving one scum in scum pool 1 and two scum in scum pool 2.
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Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
March 30 2016 00:29 GMT
#3273
I was checking the game at 9 on my phone and we were at page 140 but got home to 20 new pages of filter, so hopefully nothing important happened (other than the day 3 post) between 150 and 163, because I'm not reading it.
Pending is a scum case on VA
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Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
March 30 2016 00:49 GMT
#3288
Why VA is scum

First of all, he spent most of D1 and D2 talking about policy lynching rsoul. There was no reasoning or explanation behind this that I found except that it would give information. That is, until ~4 hours before lynch, when he posted this:
On March 29 2016 03:35 VayneAuthority wrote:
going to vote for tumblewood now I think he is the highest chance to flip mafia. If nothing happens im going back to policying rsoultin for circlejerk and added benefit of info.

Technically, he had scumread me before this? But he never actually backed up any of his reads with a real reason. There's still no reason here: he just thought I had "the highest chance to flip mafia."
On March 29 2016 10:09 VayneAuthority wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 29 2016 10:04 Rels wrote:
On March 29 2016 10:01 VayneAuthority wrote:
Its true I am a suspect after that lynch, it did not go well for me. I'll see what I can do. The tictock lynch changed my perspective on the game

On March 29 2016 09:47 Rels wrote:
On March 29 2016 03:35 VayneAuthority wrote:
going to vote for tumblewood now I think he is the highest chance to flip mafia. If nothing happens im going back to policying rsoultin for circlejerk and added benefit of info.

Why did you think tubmlewood was the highest chance to flip mafia ?



No meaningful interactions with my other scumreads, his post where he says ritoky "is digging himself a hole" like he know ritoky is town and fucking himself over or something, the post where he said he needs to justify why he is going afk is scummy to me, Asking a lot of meaningless questions, he also made one of those stupid readlists with the half scum/half town names and shit just like tictock did. Middle of the line filter length, generally forgettable but smart enough posts to stay undetected.

ok look at this list of reasons
look at it
He had a lot of reasons to choose from to scumread me, and he chose:
  • no meaningful interactions with his other scumreads (why is this a reason)
  • my ritoky "digging himself a hole" comment (why would this specifically come from scum)
  • my "I feel like I have to justify being afk" comment (ditto)
  • asking a lot of meaningless questions (actually a pretty good reason)
  • one of those stupid readlists with the stupidcolored names (wrong colors = wrong alignment)
  • middle of the line filter length / posting just enough to stay alive (sorta decent, but my filter is definitely short and I was not undetected; I'll give him a pass because he hasn't played with me before)
It reminds me of NSM XIX when I tunnel-bussed on Shape all game but Shape stopped being scummy after D1 so my reasons were all shit.
I'm not going to make any complaints about his filter, because mine is short too and activity reads suck, but I will point out that he isn't making any decent cases on his scumreads. ##Vote: VayneAuthority
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Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
March 30 2016 01:02 GMT
#3291
On March 30 2016 09:54 sandroba wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2016 09:49 Tumblewood wrote:

[*] asking a lot of meaningless questions (actually a pretty good reason)

?
I would think a townie would argue here that his questions were not useless?

Whose questions? He was talking about my own. I sort of agree that my questions were subpar, especially on D2. That's definitely the thing I most need to improve on in my own play.
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Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
March 30 2016 04:15 GMT
#3326
On March 30 2016 10:05 sandroba wrote:
@tumble please explain and exemplify your strong town read on rels.
Also when you asked those questions didn't you have any intent behind them? Why do you think your questions were subpar?

1.
On March 25 2016 06:57 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2016 06:13 Kurumi wrote:
On March 24 2016 23:42 Superbia wrote:
What's the average mafia count in a 21 player game? Assuming there is 3rd party and stuff too (I'm assuming there is).


The formula is usually Players/5 rounded down, so that'd be 4 Mafia this game, was there a third party in either of Storm Mafias?


On March 25 2016 00:02 justanothertownie wrote:
On March 24 2016 23:00 Kurumi wrote:
Back to Slam. If he were Mafia and that was a Mafia shot, all I'd see now should be "LYNCH KURUMI" and it is not the case. So it means the shot was not used as a means to incriminate me or cast doubt, or leverage it in any way. While I was not the only one voting gumshoe, I was the person pushing the hardest since the very first post of mine. Is there a chance that Slam was bluffing/trolling/whatever and Mafia decided to use that to kill Shoe and let the responsibility for the kill just land on Slam? There's no one on Slam either, yet... So it seems that this kill went through without any group agenda, leading me to believe that it was Town KP, be it Slam or anyone else. It just lacks follow-up, both ways (against me and against Slam) have not been taken by anyone. I think Slam is town.

I don't understand this paragraph at all. Why does mafia need to follow up on this? The logical/natural thing for them to do if slam is in fact mafia is to wait and see how well it goes/if he gets away with it before acting.


Well, I think that they'd use the momentum created by the shot to some end. I have not seen that in the thread, people are not really reading Slam as scum, people are not super focused on people who were pushing gumshoe, I think if Mafia shot gum, they'd want the discussion to be on those points, not any others like we have right now. That's just the world I am in.

On March 25 2016 01:24 Tubesock wrote:
Good morning.

Kurumi is my biggest scum read. Seems opportunistic with the Gumdrops push. Damdred was fishing (but not for roles) and it didn't seem Gums was saying Damdred was fishing for that, but Kurumi jumps his ass. Meanwhile Ritoky ACTUALLY fishes for roles yet all Kurumi says is "very vary of Ritoky". The rest of Kurumi's posts seem nitpicky.

Tumble and Shape are forgettable and blending.

I'm going to leave Koshi at null. I'm not liking his "play" but I did like his little outburst of emotion. Although, I find it hard to believe that can't be faked.

As far as town I think my strongest TR's are Superbia, Vivax just below Jat and Rels. Damdred with a town lean.

Ritoky probably is in fact VT.

Slam I think is probably town. I am having trouble seeing the point of breadcrumbing so much if he were mafia. Why not just shut up and blow someone up? I do want to hear his explanation.


Read my posts again(not skim!) so you can have a good town read on me, because my filter defends itself without any problems. Just because I have not coloured every of my reads or made a list of them doesn't mean they are not there.

Gumshoe's filter wasn't really that exciting besides him sharing my suspicions on both Koshi and sicklucker, he did not have time to bring anything new to the table sadly. His last couple of posts was finally something I expected out of him. He also looked like agreeing with me more and more. On the topic of sicklucker:
What was good in my post you quoted?
What are your scumreads and why?
I don't like that you just quoted my entire post and said it was good while not really pushing anyone or anything in the thread.

I am also let down by Alakaslam, he could've said that we have a way to kill two D1, basically a double lynch and we could just make him shoot the second person in line... Why the bloodlust Slam, why?! It's so anti-town the only reason I think you are Town is that noone is trying to capitalize on it...

For the last 20 minutes I've been looking for a post suggesting that scum's KP is up for them to decide whether to use it day or night, it felt like hardcore slip, but then I might've dreamt it...

WOW
This is the kind of stuff that ONLY TOWNIES THINK ABOUT
Never lynching

This is the quote for which I originally read him town. The tone felt off but I liked the content enough to townread him for it, and I believe it still stands.
I was looking for more evidence of him being townie but holy shit look at this
On March 26 2016 06:40 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 26 2016 06:39 Superbia wrote:
On March 26 2016 06:38 Rels wrote:
On March 26 2016 06:36 Superbia wrote:
Everyone stop lurking. I know there are 4 people who still need to vote. Your fucking late arrival is absolutely unacceptable.

And you didn't totally just arrive p:


Hey at least I had my vote in already. I was planning to arrive 30m ago but meh. I'm not even sure who I want the wagon on at this point in time. Probably tumblewood but lots of people are calling him town so idk. I would prefer an RSO lynch over a tubesock lynch at this point in time.

I can understand scumreading rsoul but not over tube. Why is he town ?

If I see one more post this bad I'm reconsidering.
On March 29 2016 08:16 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 27 2016 21:09 sandroba wrote:
yo kurumi what's the name of your role and what does it do?

This is soooo townie. Comparing Kuru's role name with his own. Solving the game.
He was already 99% town for shooting someone scum would never shoot and this seals the deal.

Tone still off but content still great. He's also asking questions trying to get people to clarify their positions (e.g., "Is this a current read?"), which comes off as town trying to make sure scum can't weasel out of their stances.
2. They were too arbitrary-- I wasn't considering the possible responses as much as the questions, so I wouldn't know why the information would be helpful.
good times for all
Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
March 30 2016 04:45 GMT
#3334
VA: Who is your #1 scumread right now? Give me a case with more than one sentence.
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Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
March 31 2016 02:19 GMT
#3741
So Kuru is openly claiming rebel?
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Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
March 31 2016 18:10 GMT
#3999
Hi I'm here now
good times for all
Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
March 31 2016 18:11 GMT
#4000
VA is weirdly sure that there are two scum teams
Kurumi looks like he's having fun
More stuff pending after I think about the game
good times for all
Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
March 31 2016 18:25 GMT
#4006
Ooh Scott's going to be gone
In other news the sun is hot

This day is weird for me. I can't argue about the lynch because the next debatable one is in 3 days and that's a long time to argue.
OWS, you said ritoky is "probably not mafia". Do you disagree with Rels' case? (this question goes to anyone TRing ritoky)
good times for all
Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
March 31 2016 18:31 GMT
#4007
I kinda expected Shape to comment on Koshi saying his ridiculous setup/role spec is correct and smart. The setup tinfoiling is stupid right now-- no one's even flipped as anything but rebel and town. We probably don't even know all of the blue roles yet, why would we know the scum / 3p roles?
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Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
April 01 2016 18:18 GMT
#4152
Since when has everyone been suspicious of SL? I thought he was just in the town lean category until you all started trying to association read him with Kurumi.
good times for all
Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
April 02 2016 04:34 GMT
#4249
I oppose that VA townread on so many levels.
First, the scum points are really detailed and logical, but the town points are all [but one] explained by meta or not at all. I also feel that there were some seriously scummy things in his filter that were overlooked. Of course, our reads won't be identical, but there's more scum points to VA than just his D2 vote.
...Now that I get down to it, I really only disagree on one level, and that level is, "VA is scum and you're wrong." For more explanation on your wrongness, please see the big ol' scum case in my filter.
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