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DoYouHas
United States1140 Posts
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12968 Posts
On April 09 2016 04:23 DoYouHas wrote: Yeah... TW and Art are scum. GB very likely not scum, if only because his opening posts remind me of town GB and it is super unlikely that he would be scum with Art. Give me a bit to put together my cases on them. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/WymtgD5.gif) | ||
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Gossemerr
United States195 Posts
On April 08 2016 23:27 Kuragari42 wrote: Sorry about the lurking, I've been pretty busy irl. I am however half way through a post-by-post analysis of the game. This post struck me as something I should point out. By vote analysis you can determine that Me/GB/TW are most likely not your scum team. Kur what are your thoughts on anyone else in the game? Particularity on RB and TW | ||
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GlowingBear
Brazil12446 Posts
You're scum because you had a clear scumread on me that you keep pushing without reconsidering it or without actually caring that much for other people (kinda like a tunnel) But then, while your target IS getting lynched, you propose a shenannie. And it's not a case of not knowing who to lynched. I didn't found a single post where you consider I'm town ONCE. You just kept straight calling me mafia. The part where you say neither me and race were here to defend ourselves is bullshit. Fidei wasn't either and it doesn't matter whether he wasn't becshse he was playing Dota or because he was busy saving a whale from Eskimos. To those wondering what is the mafia morivation behind that: mislynching a townie and keep people discussing the lynch on another townie he was already easily pushing | ||
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DoYouHas
United States1140 Posts
+ Show Spoiler [My original thoughts] + On April 06 2016 13:21 DoYouHas wrote: I think TW is likely scum. His "damn, caught me" comment to Artanis' list caught my eye. Mafia are more likely to play off pressure (even fake pressure) as a joke instead of flatly denying. This post doesn't do anything. It's made to look like it does something but it argues itself into nothing. Step 1: let's analyze Art's play. Step 2: GB's vote was a waste and we are reading into nothing. ##Vote: Tumblewood This also makes me suspicious of Art, but that is unflipped association for now. He pushes all 3 wagons from D1. 2/3 of which are solid town, 3/3 I think are town. 1. On April 07 2016 07:08 Tumblewood wrote: I'm unconvinced by the case on LS, and skeptical of the case on RB (could easily just be a newbie who's not used to this). Boxerfred is a sensible if shallow case... I'm not feeling great about it, but there's really nothing better going on right now. 2. On April 07 2016 07:25 Tumblewood wrote: Damn, looked back at that original BF read... I understand the read progression part, but "usually more useless as town" is not a reason for a read ever. I feel a lot stronger about this than boxerfred. ##Vote GB 3. On April 07 2016 07:52 Tumblewood wrote: I assume you mean Fidei? I'd be up for shenannies if I thought they would work, but Fidei is a dice roll at best. Notice that even though he says he would be up for the shenanigans, he doesn't actually move his vote even though there was time, and it would have worked. This fits perfectly with the mafia tendency to split their votes when it is multiple town on the chopping block for EoD. - His list post doesn't add up: On April 08 2016 02:40 Tumblewood wrote: top scum reads Fidei, Goss scum leans RB, GB top town reads CHodge, Damdred town lean on LS null on art and DYH no read on Kura and Spike because they've done nothing yet First off, having Fidei as your top scumread when there is a huge reason to think he is town is dumb. Secondly, Goss is bigger scumread than GB at this point based on 1 post? GB held TW's vote for d1 based on more than that. Most importantly, "null on art". TW has defended Art twice, agreed with Art's case enough to vote for GB, and pushed Art's agenda with the shennanigans. For someone who clearly is siding with Art, a null read is just scum hedging. | ||
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12968 Posts
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12968 Posts
On April 09 2016 05:15 GlowingBear wrote: Art, is pretty simple why you're scum. You're scum because you had a clear scumread on me that you keep pushing without reconsidering it or without actually caring that much for other people (kinda like a tunnel) But then, while your target IS getting lynched, you propose a shenannie. And it's not a case of not knowing who to lynched. I didn't found a single post where you consider I'm town ONCE. You just kept straight calling me mafia. The part where you say neither me and race were here to defend ourselves is bullshit. Fidei wasn't either and it doesn't matter whether he wasn't becshse he was playing Dota or because he was busy saving a whale from Eskimos. To those wondering what is the mafia morivation behind that: mislynching a townie and keep people discussing the lynch on another townie he was already easily pushing I have reconsidered it. Then you came back and posted more excuses. I have gone over your filter twice already in the past. There is a difference between going afk to play DotA 2 2 hours before deadline or having uni. One is much more of a conscious choice than the other. | ||
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DoYouHas
United States1140 Posts
On April 09 2016 05:15 GlowingBear wrote: Art, is pretty simple why you're scum. You're scum because you had a clear scumread on me that you keep pushing without reconsidering it or without actually caring that much for other people (kinda like a tunnel) But then, while your target IS getting lynched, you propose a shenannie. And it's not a case of not knowing who to lynched. I didn't found a single post where you consider I'm town ONCE. You just kept straight calling me mafia. The part where you say neither me and race were here to defend ourselves is bullshit. Fidei wasn't either and it doesn't matter whether he wasn't becshse he was playing Dota or because he was busy saving a whale from Eskimos. To those wondering what is the mafia morivation behind that: mislynching a townie and keep people discussing the lynch on another townie he was already easily pushing +1. You just wrote most of my case. I'll add that if Art was genuinely uncertain enough on your lynch that he would lead the shenanigans off of it, he would not have been so quick to jump right back on you. It seems to me that Art was trying to stay ahead of the curve, propose shenanigans before someone else could. Tie up votes on candidates he knew to be town. | ||
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12968 Posts
On April 09 2016 05:15 DoYouHas wrote: Tumblewood + Show Spoiler [My original thoughts] + On April 06 2016 13:21 DoYouHas wrote: I think TW is likely scum. His "damn, caught me" comment to Artanis' list caught my eye. Mafia are more likely to play off pressure (even fake pressure) as a joke instead of flatly denying. This post doesn't do anything. It's made to look like it does something but it argues itself into nothing. Step 1: let's analyze Art's play. Step 2: GB's vote was a waste and we are reading into nothing. ##Vote: Tumblewood This also makes me suspicious of Art, but that is unflipped association for now. He pushes all 3 wagons from D1. 2/3 of which are solid town, 3/3 I think are town. 1. 2. 3. Notice that even though he says he would be up for the shenanigans, he doesn't actually move his vote even though there was time, and it would have worked. This fits perfectly with the mafia tendency to split their votes when it is multiple town on the chopping block for EoD. - His list post doesn't add up: First off, having Fidei as your top scumread when there is a huge reason to think he is town is dumb. Secondly, Goss is bigger scumread than GB at this point based on 1 post? GB held TW's vote for d1 based on more than that. Most importantly, "null on art". TW has defended Art twice, agreed with Art's case enough to vote for GB, and pushed Art's agenda with the shennanigans. For someone who clearly is siding with Art, a null read is just scum hedging. That's a whole lotta associating going on around here. There's only a few points that aren't. Him not switching his vote when shenannies were going on (which also only matters if there's a scum in there, or scum can do anything so I'm not sure why you're using that as a point against him when you believe they're town). His defense on me whilst not townreading me is weird though but I didn't really think it was a defense, more of an explanation. Only point you really have going against TW is that he never switched to Fidei when that was his top scumread. TW, why didn't you switch to Fidei when shenannies were happening? | ||
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GlowingBear
Brazil12446 Posts
On April 09 2016 05:18 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I have reconsidered it. Then you came back and posted more excuses. I have gone over your filter twice already in the past. There is a difference between going afk to play DotA 2 2 hours before deadline or having uni. One is much more of a conscious choice than the other. is there something on day1 that made you think I'm town? | ||
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DoYouHas
United States1140 Posts
Happy to vote Art as well. | ||
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12968 Posts
On April 09 2016 05:21 DoYouHas wrote: +1. You just wrote most of my case. I'll add that if Art was genuinely uncertain enough on your lynch that he would lead the shenanigans off of it, he would not have been so quick to jump right back on you. It seems to me that Art was trying to stay ahead of the curve, propose shenanigans before someone else could. Tie up votes on candidates he knew to be town. Narrative. I switched to GB last minute when Fidei wasn't happening because I much preferred his lynch over BF. | ||
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12968 Posts
On April 09 2016 05:23 GlowingBear wrote: is there something on day1 that made you think I'm town? Early Day1 I thought you were aware of my intentions of getting the game started and played along, but then you having absolutely no followups whatsoever changed that. The few reads you threw out there in the last page were meh and this omgus narrative is, as you would put it, kinda boring. | ||
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DoYouHas
United States1140 Posts
On April 07 2016 08:02 Shapelog wrote: Final vote count Boxerfred (4): GlowingBear, LightningStrike, Fidei86 (3): Artanis[Xp]. GlowingBear (2): Tumblewood (1): Race Bannon (1): LightningStrike (1): Race Bannon Gossemerr (1): Non-Voters (0): Currently, boxerfred is set to be lynched. The deadline is in . Make sure all voting is done in the voting thread here. Only votes in the voting thread will be counted. Not voting will result in a warning. Please stand by for Night post/ Do not post till it is up. It appears you didn't. | ||
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12968 Posts
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DoYouHas
United States1140 Posts
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12968 Posts
On April 09 2016 05:33 DoYouHas wrote: Yes, you currently have your vote on GB. I'm talking about the EoD1, where you led the wagon on Fid and did not switch back to GB, which is what you are trying to tell me you did. Oh, for some reason I remembered that I actually switched back to GB. In that case, what are you talking about in the sense of me being confident to jump back on him? He posted in between. The reason I started pushing him again is that A) Fidei looked better from his EoD posting even though I hated to admit it and B) I wanted to see more content from him. I wasn't certain, no, and I definitely wasn't certain during the night phase when I was pushing him either. I'm still not certain, but I think as time has gone he's more and more likely to be scum for the reasons I've mentioned. Do you have a read on RB? | ||
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DoYouHas
United States1140 Posts
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Fidei86
United Kingdom2116 Posts
On April 09 2016 05:25 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Narrative. I switched to GB last minute when Fidei wasn't happening because I much preferred his lynch over BF. ??? I had the most votes until the last moment??? ???? | ||
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12968 Posts
On April 09 2016 05:59 Fidei86 wrote: ??? I had the most votes until the last moment??? ???? When DYH said this thing about me changing back to GB I wasn't sure but figured I did and checked the vote thread before responding to it. When I saw my own vote I was like "yup that's right" and proceeded to fill in the blanks. It was clear at the very EoD that people were antsy to get off of you again. | ||
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