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On April 08 2016 19:59 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Your reason for scumreading LS is bad and you didn't explain at all why you don't believe GB is scum. Your presumption that I would get jealous about your reasoning is ridiculous. If I thought you had a good case I would sheep it.
Same
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Look. Lightning Strike is not good at playing town. I don't know how much clearer I can make this - NOTHING HE EVER DOES MAKES ANY SENSE. HE NEVER SCUM HUNTS. HE ALWAYS LOOKS SCUMMY. I think the secret to catching him is finding him in a lie. I don't want to have to look through his filter, but I will if I must.
But I'm sort of getting Artanis fever re GB. Gonna read GB's filter now.
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Yeah okay, sign me up for the GB lynch wagon.
He posted this re his vote for BF:
"But way more important than that, he pushes Damdred but drop that push to go against tumblewood. I don't think that progression makes much sense."
BF never really had a strong Damdred read. He called out Damdred a few times, but that was it. At the same time, he started focussing more on TW. He then voted on TW, noting that he was still onto Damdred and would lynch either.
There is nothing inconsistent in that. At the same time, you had a bunch of people who were MUCH better targets (me, for starters!).
HOWEVER
I still think that town's best play is to lynch the AFK lurkers, Kuragari42 and Spikasaur. I abhor AFKers (recognise the irony, but I was unintentionally AFK). Basically, we're never going to figure out their alignment because they don't play. We're best off getting rid of them now (which might, at least, force them to reveal their true colours).
Also I hate the idea of losing to an AFK mafia player.
A mafia team of TW, GB +1 of the AFKers makes sense to me. I think Goss' reactions to my last post were decent enough, and lynching Artanis when he's one of the only people actually playing is dumb. If Artanis is mafia, we basically fuckin' lost.
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ALSO, I really really hope we have a cop rather than a vig. But if you are the vigilante, I really believe that it's better for you to hold your shot unless you are really sure of a read AND you can't get that read lynched. If the vig mis-shoots, we go to a 5-3 LYLO (or 4-2, or whatever) which is much much harder for town. Don't listen to anyone who tries to call you out for not shooting - it's a perfectly acceptable play.
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Artanis can you give me the juice on Racer? I'll read his filter now.
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[[NK WIFOM ALERT]] CHodge also really wanted to kill GB.
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The only thing I get from RB's filter is that Artanis and LS look like they're aligned. Checking LS's 'filter' now, for further clues.
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I hope you are happy, thread, because you FORCED ME to read LS's filter, and now I think he's scum again.
I TOLD YOU THIS WOULD HAPPEN.
I honestly think we should lynch LS just for his bullshit boxerfred vote. Everything else is too meh to even recount.
But if LS is mafia, I think he could be with Artanis. There's just too much deflecting off each other in their threads. But obviously TW, GB, Artanis and LS can't all be mafia, especially not with two AFK newbs.
AHHHHHHHHH. DYH I NEED YOUR HELP PLEASE.
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On April 08 2016 12:58 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2016 12:45 LightningStrike wrote:On April 08 2016 12:42 GlowingBear wrote:
@LS
Why is it important to you to be read as town for your content instead of for your emotions? Because I broke that meta in Cell Who Wants To Be a Millionaire. Can you explain further? What happened there? Was that break intentional?
Ya I did it for Damdred because me and Damdred became team Baby Rage according to Vivax XD
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On April 08 2016 21:46 Fidei86 wrote:
I hope you are happy, thread, because you FORCED ME to read LS's filter, and now I think he's scum again.
I TOLD YOU THIS WOULD HAPPEN.
I honestly think we should lynch LS just for his bullshit boxerfred vote. Everything else is too meh to even recount.
But if LS is mafia, I think he could be with Artanis. There's just too much deflecting off each other in their threads. But obviously TW, GB, Artanis and LS can't all be mafia, especially not with two AFK newbs.
AHHHHHHHHH. DYH I NEED YOUR HELP PLEASE.
I honestly didn't know who I wanted to lynch but when I rechecked boxer's filter on GB's request I decided to vote him but when people started to vote on him after me I did start to feel nervous about the flip just I didn't post it in the thread until after the lynch.
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On April 08 2016 19:12 Race Bannon wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2016 05:48 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 07 2016 09:25 Race Bannon wrote:On April 07 2016 08:10 Artanis[Xp] wrote:With the people that ended up on the boxerfred lynch I'm not very surprised he flipped town. Race Bannon, please answer this post when you get back: On April 07 2016 07:33 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 07 2016 07:25 Gossemerr wrote:
I think the case on Boxer is pretty weak. Art's case on GB is stronger, but I don't feel like its strong enough to switch from my own read currently.
Also, CHodge why the flip? I actually kinda like your case too reading it over again. Don't think the first two points hold much water (early fluff is normal at the start of a game and townreading someone despite them voting you is normal as well) but him pointing out that scum are more likely to point out the towniness of CHodge, then in the very next post underlining that townread is kinda iffy. RB, can you explain why that sequence happened? . Determinism? What's your point? Point is: -You believe that mafia is more likely than town to underpin his towniness, calling out the guy you quoted as being scummy (presumably) -You proceed to do the exact same thing Basically, you called yourself scummy. Explain. Gosse looks pretty good with that post. Would town. Reasoning for switching mentioned above. Still want to lynch GB and RB. I've changed my mind. I believe LS was encouraging people to sheep him not because he thoughtt CH was town and worthy of being paraded as such with bulletpoints, but because he knew he was town voting a townie and encouraging him and others to mislynch me. Can you dig it, paragon? I never said sheeping was scummy or that in general scum tend to point out townieness, somehow getting caught in my own web in the process, that's just dumb. Show nested quote +On April 08 2016 12:45 LightningStrike wrote:On April 08 2016 12:42 GlowingBear wrote:
@LS
Why is it important to you to be read as town for your content instead of for your emotions? Because I broke that meta in Cell Who Wants To Be a Millionaire. Not a fan of your content thus far either. ##Vote: LS
I thought CHodge was town but I didn't tell people to sheep me on that read -_- I guess you need to reread my filter on that part.
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On April 08 2016 21:36 Fidei86 wrote:
[[NK WIFOM ALERT]] CHodge also really wanted to kill GB.
Ya he wanted RB more which was the main stick out for me when I reread his filter.
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On April 08 2016 16:34 Fidei86 wrote:
Hey GB, I'm on the Artanis wagon just as much as you are, but I'm struggling to see why he would lead shennanys onto me at the last minute. That urge to change something up is something I always get as town and that I never get as Mafia.
Well, if you're town, it should be clear to you. If he shenannie into a townie he gets a mislynch and can still keep pushing another mislynch day2 (me) without considerinf any other options. Sounds like a great plan to me
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Ye Ole vote count
LightningStrike (1): Race Bannon
GlowingBear (1): Artanis[XP]
Non-Voters: A bunch
Currently, LightningStrike is set to be lynched. The deadline is in . Make sure all voting is done in the voting thread here. Only votes in the voting thread will be counted. Not voting will result in a warning.
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On April 08 2016 21:33 Fidei86 wrote:
Artanis can you give me the juice on Racer? I'll read his filter now.
On April 08 2016 19:54 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2016 19:49 Race Bannon wrote:On April 08 2016 19:48 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 08 2016 19:44 Race Bannon wrote:On April 08 2016 19:18 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 08 2016 19:12 Race Bannon wrote:On April 08 2016 05:48 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 07 2016 09:25 Race Bannon wrote:On April 07 2016 08:10 Artanis[Xp] wrote:With the people that ended up on the boxerfred lynch I'm not very surprised he flipped town. Race Bannon, please answer this post when you get back: On April 07 2016 07:33 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
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I actually kinda like your case too reading it over again. Don't think the first two points hold much water (early fluff is normal at the start of a game and townreading someone despite them voting you is normal as well) but him pointing out that scum are more likely to point out the towniness of CHodge, then in the very next post underlining that townread is kinda iffy.
RB, can you explain why that sequence happened? . Determinism? What's your point? Point is: -You believe that mafia is more likely than town to underpin his towniness, calling out the guy you quoted as being scummy (presumably) -You proceed to do the exact same thing Basically, you called yourself scummy. Explain. Gosse looks pretty good with that post. Would town. Reasoning for switching mentioned above. Still want to lynch GB and RB. I've changed my mind. I believe LS was encouraging people to sheep him not because he thoughtt CH was town and worthy of being paraded as such with bulletpoints, but because he knew he was town voting a townie and encouraging him and others to mislynch me. Can you dig it, paragon? I never said sheeping was scummy or that in general scum tend to point out townieness, somehow getting caught in my own web in the process, that's just dumb. On April 08 2016 12:45 LightningStrike wrote:On April 08 2016 12:42 GlowingBear wrote:
@LS
Why is it important to you to be read as town for your content instead of for your emotions? Because I broke that meta in Cell Who Wants To Be a Millionaire. Not a fan of your content thus far either. ##Vote: LS Wait, you say you've changed your mind suggesting that you did actually think that pointing out his towniness was something scum would be more likely to do, yet afterwards you say that LS' motivation for it was scummy. Did you ever believe pointing out CHodge being town is scummy in itself or did it require context? Do you have any scumreads beyond LS? No, why aren't you scumreading LS? : He's just meh to me, nothing really jumps out. I don't really have anything solid and I think GB and you look worse. Why? GB because no followup and his reads are convenient (scumreading the person scumreading him, siding with Fidei, and if you're town defending potential lynchbait without really pushing it hard, TW push feels arbitrary). Feels like he's playing to survive more than anything. You because I just don't really like most of your reads and some things that feel contradictory. I think I'm feeling slightly better about you though because you seem to be pretty confident in what you're saying.On that note ##Vote Glowingbear
Also CHodge kill suggests that one or both are likely scum. Feeling p confident on dat GB scumread though. Especially since GB and RB are kinda ignoring each other.
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I also have absolutely no idea why GB thinks I'm scum.
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I just went through his filter twice and I don't see it. His initial read was a joke and his follow-up read has never been explained. He just provided a narrative for why I COULD be scum at EoD and hasn't brought up anything else. He's pinged out Damdred for a 'weird question' and then did nothing with it.
GB's filter is filled with things that either come out of nowhere or have no followup whatsoever. He is mafia.
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QUOTE]On April 08 2016 22:08 LightningStrike wrote:
On April 08 2016 19:12 Race Bannon wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2016 05:48 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 07 2016 09:25 Race Bannon wrote:On April 07 2016 08:10 Artanis[Xp] wrote:With the people that ended up on the boxerfred lynch I'm not very surprised he flipped town. Race Bannon, please answer this post when you get back: On April 07 2016 07:33 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 07 2016 07:25 Gossemerr wrote:
I think the case on Boxer is pretty weak. Art's case on GB is stronger, but I don't feel like its strong enough to switch from my own read currently.
Also, CHodge why the flip? I actually kinda like your case too reading it over again. Don't think the first two points hold much water (early fluff is normal at the start of a game and townreading someone despite them voting you is normal as well) but him pointing out that scum are more likely to point out the towniness of CHodge, then in the very next post underlining that townread is kinda iffy. RB, can you explain why that sequence happened? . Determinism? What's your point? Point is: -You believe that mafia is more likely than town to underpin his towniness, calling out the guy you quoted as being scummy (presumably) -You proceed to do the exact same thing Basically, you called yourself scummy. Explain. Gosse looks pretty good with that post. Would town. Reasoning for switching mentioned above. Still want to lynch GB and RB. I've changed my mind. I believe LS was encouraging people to sheep him not because he thoughtt CH was town and worthy of being paraded as such with bulletpoints, but because he knew he was town voting a townie and encouraging him and others to mislynch me. Can you dig it, paragon? I never said sheeping was scummy or that in general scum tend to point out townieness, somehow getting caught in my own web in the process, that's just dumb. Show nested quote +On April 08 2016 12:45 LightningStrike wrote:On April 08 2016 12:42 GlowingBear wrote:
@LS
Why is it important to you to be read as town for your content instead of for your emotions? Because I broke that meta in Cell Who Wants To Be a Millionaire. Not a fan of your content thus far either. ##Vote: LS
I thought CHodge was town but I didn't tell people to sheep me on that read -_- I guess you need to reread my filter on that part.[/QUOTE]
Let's look at it again then
On April 06 2016 22:13 LightningStrike wrote:
Just woke up and I think CHodge is Town for a few reasons.
1. His approach to the game is quite different than a normal newbie regarding Vet players like myself and Artanis.
2. He been more thinking critically than me and everyone else up to this point.
Not in those words but this is a clear declaration of readyness to outsource scumhunting because he was oh so critical in his thinking, so much better than everyone else.
You didn't say sheep him or die, but you would've if you weren't so afraid to get your hands dirty and vote for ke yourself.
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On April 08 2016 23:14 Race Bannon wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2016 22:08 LightningStrike wrote:On April 08 2016 19:12 Race Bannon wrote:On April 08 2016 05:48 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 07 2016 09:25 Race Bannon wrote:On April 07 2016 08:10 Artanis[Xp] wrote:With the people that ended up on the boxerfred lynch I'm not very surprised he flipped town. Race Bannon, please answer this post when you get back: On April 07 2016 07:33 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 07 2016 07:25 Gossemerr wrote:
I think the case on Boxer is pretty weak. Art's case on GB is stronger, but I don't feel like its strong enough to switch from my own read currently.
Also, CHodge why the flip? I actually kinda like your case too reading it over again. Don't think the first two points hold much water (early fluff is normal at the start of a game and townreading someone despite them voting you is normal as well) but him pointing out that scum are more likely to point out the towniness of CHodge, then in the very next post underlining that townread is kinda iffy. RB, can you explain why that sequence happened? . Determinism? What's your point? Point is: -You believe that mafia is more likely than town to underpin his towniness, calling out the guy you quoted as being scummy (presumably) -You proceed to do the exact same thing Basically, you called yourself scummy. Explain. Gosse looks pretty good with that post. Would town. Reasoning for switching mentioned above. Still want to lynch GB and RB. I've changed my mind. I believe LS was encouraging people to sheep him not because he thoughtt CH was town and worthy of being paraded as such with bulletpoints, but because he knew he was town voting a townie and encouraging him and others to mislynch me. Can you dig it, paragon? I never said sheeping was scummy or that in general scum tend to point out townieness, somehow getting caught in my own web in the process, that's just dumb. On April 08 2016 12:45 LightningStrike wrote:On April 08 2016 12:42 GlowingBear wrote:
@LS
Why is it important to you to be read as town for your content instead of for your emotions? Because I broke that meta in Cell Who Wants To Be a Millionaire. Not a fan of your content thus far either. ##Vote: LS I thought CHodge was town but I didn't tell people to sheep me on that read -_- I guess you need to reread my filter on that part. Let's look at it again then Show nested quote +On April 06 2016 22:13 LightningStrike wrote:
Just woke up and I think CHodge is Town for a few reasons.
1. His approach to the game is quite different than a normal newbie regarding Vet players like myself and Artanis.
2. He been more thinking critically than me and everyone else up to this point. Not in those words but this is a clear declaration of readyness to outsource scumhunting because he was oh so critical in his thinking, so much better than everyone else. You didn't say sheep him or die, but you would've if you weren't so afraid to get your hands dirty and vote for ke yourself.
It's normal for LS to default to other people's reads. He's lemming'd before when he has strong townreads. It does not make him mafia.
Address my GB read please.
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On April 08 2016 21:30 Fidei86 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Yeah okay, sign me up for the GB lynch wagon.
He posted this re his vote for BF:
"But way more important than that, he pushes Damdred but drop that push to go against tumblewood. I don't think that progression makes much sense."
BF never really had a strong Damdred read. He called out Damdred a few times, but that was it. At the same time, he started focussing more on TW. He then voted on TW, noting that he was still onto Damdred and would lynch either.
There is nothing inconsistent in that. At the same time, you had a bunch of people who were MUCH better targets (me, for starters!).
HOWEVER
I still think that town's best play is to lynch the AFK lurkers, Kuragari42 and Spikasaur. I abhor AFKers (recognise the irony, but I was unintentionally AFK). Basically, we're never going to figure out their alignment because they don't play. We're best off getting rid of them now (which might, at least, force them to reveal their true colours).
Also I hate the idea of losing to an AFK mafia player.
A mafia team of TW, GB +1 of the AFKers makes sense to me. I think Goss' reactions to my last post were decent enough, and lynching Artanis when he's one of the only people actually playing is dumb. If Artanis is mafia, we basically fuckin' lost.
Sorry about the lurking, I've been pretty busy irl. I am however half way through a post-by-post analysis of the game.
This post struck me as something I should point out.
By vote analysis you can determine that Me/GB/TW are most likely not your scum team.
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