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The Shining
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The Shining
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On February 17 2016 17:20 Eden1892 wrote: Don't like Shining's reads now that I bothered to read the larger post. Not with the conclusions -- nobody is screaming lock-scum to me either -- but it felt like he came to null/null-ish conclusions about several players despite posting enough info to come to a firmer conclusion. Like comparing his reads to mine, since we both ended up not having a lot of clear suspects, I make it clear what I find suspicious or not suspicious about people, and what I find validating or not validating about people. People don't do scummy and townie things, or at least, I don't think they have yet in this game. Look at this... Basically, he lists a lot of reasons to like Tictock. He likes Tictock's town reads, and maybe only has real issues with how Tictock came to the GB read. But then he says that because Tictock doesn't have clear scumreads, that Tictock is a scum lean? I don't get how a guy can be considered to be pretty townie based off of having a lot of reasonable townreads, but then can end up being net-scummy due to not having clear scumreads. It'd seem to me that you would conclude that the unclear scum reads is a big red flag, mafia can just make up reasons to townread people (especially if you agree with those reads and think the people being townread are actually town, then they're just saying correct things which is easy to do), and so the townreads don't mean anything and he's clear scum. Or, you would say that the townreads are a great reason to townread him early, because they make sense and show that he's engaged with the game. At that point, it would be more reasonable to assume that a relative lack of scumreads is the byproduct of an early game without anybody doing anything obviously suspicious, and is NAI. But surely you can't just say both things and call it virtually a wash (slight scum lean)? If either of them didn't matter you would conclude the other one is important and read Tictock accordingly. If both didn't matter then you would just not have a read. And they're not really constructed in a way that you can think both do matter -- since both of them are good reasons to read someone a certain way, and both lead to divergent conclusions, it stands to reason that one of them is wrong and thus shouldn't matter, and that, coming to this realization, you would review the player and decide which one matters. I felt several of his reads that conclude null/null-ish have similar issues: he describes various behaviors by the player that look like they would be alignment-indicative, but they conclude opposite things, so instead of digging into the players in more depth and detail to resolve the divergent conclusions, he just calls them "null" overall even though they shouldn't be null. He's cited enough behaviors to come to some conclusion about a player, but then manages not to do so. Coupled with the posting style -- few, longer posts, with minimal proactive interaction -- I'm actually inclined to think this guy could be a good lynch. Meh this a really large post to try and convince yourself to lynch me. Mostly all of those reads were progressively being typed and made as I made it through filters and I like to think out loud. I didn't feel like erasing what I had said about Tictock so far so I just added as my thoughts progressed. It's a progressing read. Early in a game, I wouldn't expect him or many others to have a strong scumread. But as I continued reading, I found more townreads, some really simple, but no scumreads, which started the red flag. And i did decide that the overall content of his filter warranted more of a scumlean whereas had I been around, early, he would've been a townlean that developed into a scumlean once I realized he was lacking scumreads. All I did was make my read progression from one way to the other transparent as I was making it through his filter. Next time I'll just make a current read and not explain it since that seems to be okay on d1. | ||
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The Shining
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On February 18 2016 01:43 Shapelog wrote: Why am I town lol? Any ways to Rsoul, I feel moot about shining, his read post was very werid. But with the way his votes came upon him, I doubt he is actually scum. Seems like the guy who mafia wants to lynch. IF you caught my drift. This is interesting. Eden cased me, SL voted me for weak reasoning before jumping off. Do you think either of them are scum? | ||
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On February 18 2016 02:49 Trfel wrote: Shapelog is mafia  He scumread me, then when I said I was suspicious of him for not doing anything, that it's purely his fault of he gets lynched. And then all of the other reasons. ##vote Shapelog I mean, this is like a swiss cheese vote, but whatever What are all the other reasons? I'm starting to like him for town, tbh, though it's mostly centric to me. Eden dropped a nice big post on me and he thinks Eden is town. If he were scum, I'd be an easy mislynch for him. I like how he approached the analysis on me. And his explanation of his Tumble read makes a bit of sense. | ||
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On February 18 2016 03:24 sicklucker wrote: you reminded me last game you answered your own fucking question rofl And you made wrong conclusions about me using Drams meta after you couldn't even remember it. So how are your conclusions here right? Hint: they aren't. | ||
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On February 18 2016 03:27 Shapelog wrote: *Sigh* Kush I believed in you :/ Oh well, At this point I guess who I think should get lynch does not matter. Not changing my vote thou to a counter wagon that will just end up hammering a Town. I am just going to post reads at this point. Put my death to good use. This post is weird. How do you know a counter wagon would be town? And why would you think who should be lynched doesn't matter? It always matters, especially since you said you'd be giving reads. You are saying who you should lynch won't matter. Then you're saying you'll give reads, implying they'll matter. I don't understand. | ||
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On February 18 2016 03:36 Trfel wrote: And someone else sees it If you look at the vote count, it's even more weird. The other wagons are all at basically the same vote count, he can make his own counterwagon. he said I was the lynch scum wanted and implies one or both were scum. When I asked, he said SL could be scum, not Eden and used a post of SLs. SL is a viable counterwagon to Shape and he said SL could be scum. Why is he not voting SL and saying a counter wagon would be town? | ||
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On February 18 2016 03:42 Tumblewood wrote: No one's acting definitively scummy, so I'm going to POE this vote. The 'Do Not Lynch' List Eden, for putting a lot of effort into finding scum and moving the day along productively. Trfel, for similar reasons. Also, I stand by that mafia would not have gotten into an argument like that earlier in the game. Tictock, for making clear and useful points. The 'Bad Lynch' List Rsoul, for helping in a trolly manner. Palmar, for being overconfident and having huge changes of heart. Kush, but I don't know why. Breshke, for making clear and insightful points, though sparse. The 'Wait And See' List GB, Scott, and The Shining for showing up late. That leaves us SL and... other SL. I keep seeing things in sick's play that are scummy, but then you all assure me that those are just normal things for him. Sick's defense amounts to "don't lynch me because that's a bad idea / I'm an easy townread." Shape has been acting similar to his last game as scum. I had the privilege of being in the scum QT with him, and his gameplan was this: play the "too scummy to be scum" card, and spam the thread (especially with votes) to make it harder to follow. I think both are valid options for a lynch; whoever makes the better case in the next two hours dodges my vote. Hm the explained reads have made it into thread. I'll cross check these when I get to work but I do want to ask something. Why am I wait and see? I dropped a WoT and I'm here now. Eden has a case on me. What are your thoughts on it? Do you have any questions for me to flesh out my alignment or what exactly are you waiting for? | ||
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On February 18 2016 03:43 Shapelog wrote: OH HE IS A COUNTERWAGON??? ##UnvoteVote:Saltlicker It irks me that I had to point this out for you. | ||
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On February 18 2016 03:47 sicklucker wrote: if im mafia and your town why do i jump off when nothing has changed... hum? If you didn't notice I alrdy retracted because I saw you jumped off for no reason onto Palmar. There is also the fact that two of my suspect reads are voting or scumming you. This post was trying to figure out Shapes read on you and what it meant for his alignment, not yours. | ||
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On February 18 2016 03:52 sicklucker wrote: you gave me the proper info to reach a good conclusion thanks. hows this wrong? What's wrong is you've never literally ever successfully meta read me. You even had to be reminded about a game we played. You have literally no basis to ever think a meta read on me is correct. | ||
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On February 18 2016 04:06 Shapelog wrote: You know what, I actually want to vote with my counterwagon then against. Palmar has done nothing and is not here. And when questioned by it (by me) he said that we should not judge him for it. ##;unvote, ##Vote: Palmar So you unvoted your scum read to vote with your scum read on what chalks up to a policy lynch? Then ask how not to get ML? Wat? I mean, you can always go find scum. But posts like these don't help your cause. | ||
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On February 18 2016 04:15 sicklucker wrote: tumbleweed is looking pretty juicy.. I didnt even notice he was in the game Y u do dis? My suspicions on him and Shape(they can't be scum together but I have individual reasons to think they're scum) and them both scumreading you is why I think you're not a good d1 lynch. | ||
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On February 18 2016 04:41 Shapelog wrote: Do I have to claim or can I wait till I post after my read list? Don't claim minutes before deadline if you're a role. | ||
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I'm at work. I usually play at work but I just found out I can't be on my mobile or tablet anymore. Sorry. I'd lynch Tumble or Scott right now tbh but Scott is more policy. SL and Shape are for another day while the claim stuff is figured out. Dropping a vote on Tumble cuz im not sure I'll be able to get back again. | ||
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On February 18 2016 05:51 Breshke wrote: Yes but not enough time to discuss it. Didn't like his posts towards trefel Why are you not in favor of a scott lynch? I've flipped him as town for low activity too many d1s to feel good about this | ||
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On February 18 2016 05:57 rsoultin wrote: -flings shoes at- answer me...if you really wanted to make your vote count why the fuck did you vote a non-existent wagon and then say you were going to bugger off? Because Shape Scott Palmar SL none of those wagons appealed to me or made Me think they were scum. I knew I wasn't the only one with a problem with Tumble so I find it weird no one took up that gauntlet. And tumble voted Palm. Tumble is prob still scum | ||
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And then my stronger read Tumble voted him. And GB made a point about how votes piled on Palmar. | ||
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