Star Wars: The Mafia Awaken

On February 08 2016 00:54 Rels wrote:
This post got way bigger than I though, I'm trying my best to organize it.

I don't like Koshi at all, he might very well be scum. Here is why:

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D1 the only real thing he did was pushing kush + opposing Palmar's lynch. That's it. No read on anyone else, especially Zyrre. Like, I think this is the only post about Zyrre in his filter:

Then:

Well, he ended up voting Zurre with kush.

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I don't like that he townreads Palmar early using a "secret tell" Palmar apparently only does when he's scum. Where is the fucking tell now ?
Then, he scumreads Palmar more and more as votes piles up on him, and votes him, but is still against his lynch. In particular, the last post is super weird in the progression:






There is all this progression from "100% town" to "if he's town it's a bad lynch" to "I'm not really against Palmar's lynch but I think we should wait" to finally ... "I disagree with the lynch 100%". IT MAKES NO SENSE, especially 6 minutes after saying "I am not against a Palmar lynch in theory".

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Finally, I dislike all the random questions / opinions that is in his filter, and that doesn't serve any purpose / does not lead to anything. Examples:






Where is the follow up ? Especially in Moosy's and BF's case, where he shows he has suspicions but don't talk about them anymore.

On February 04 2016 22:34 marvellosity wrote:
jat: i don't have a particular opinion on Palmar

On February 04 2016 23:00 marvellosity wrote:
oh Palmar gave a longer/prettier answer. well boo

On February 05 2016 20:01 marvellosity wrote:

##unvote
##Vote Palmar

*holds out hand*

On February 06 2016 02:35 marvellosity wrote:
okay, quick post before I go. Thoughts on the lynch:

Palmar - my vote is on him, and he's a decent lynch. Actually I think his absence today is kinda non-admissable, i think as either alignment he'd show up if he could. Not totally sure though. My main issue with Palmar is that he has quite a few posts but none of them are really pushing anything forward or finding mafia. Ironically if his filter was half the size I'd be more inclined to think he was town. If he comes in later while i'm out and makes a case on me, lynch him. Just lynch him. He knows I am town (or should at least feel i am) and would never want to lynch me today, he'd only be doing it to destabilise whatever influence I have on town. And yes he'd do it even after I wrote this. He may come back and look town, which is nice. I'd also note it's not beyond mafia Palmar to afk and hope for the best when he's mafia, even if i do rather think he'd come and try do stuff.

Zyrre - I wrote stuff already. But really I just want people to do this. I will make it easy.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/503437-star-wars-the-mafia-awaken?user=Zyrre
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/422313-newbie-mini-mafia-xlv?user=Zyrre

His filter from this game, and his towngame in the newbie. Just read the first page of the newbie game. Just do it.. I find it very, very hard to believe these 2 filters are from the same alignment. The filters are just *so* *different*. I'm not even going to do any explanation. If you can't see it, stab yourself in the face for being terrible. For him to be town I'd have to believe he's just SOOOOO overawed by this game (I do not believe this for a moment, not to this extent).

I think I trust jat.

tbh if I didn't think I was coming back at all before deadline I'd place my vote on Zyrre right now. But I will leave it on Palmar for now and change it later as necessary.

On February 06 2016 07:09 marvellosity wrote:
I can't escape the socialising so I've not read anything. So many palmar votes and not so on Zyrre. I'm gonna vote Zyrre, he's my top % play.

Palmer could well still be mafia but the votecount made me a little nervous and I really think Zyrre is mafia. Maybe palmar can have another day?

unvote
##vote Zyrre

I'm not going to be able to read ppls replies to this really so just do what you think is best. This is what I think is best for now and that's all I have control over.

On February 09 2016 18:57 boxerfred wrote:
Chez:



His very entry to the thread. "Hey, my PM has some flavour to it, I am vanilla town." After that claim, he basically disappears into randomness. He's not participating in a good way D1. Here is a list of absolutely useless posts:

+ Show Spoiler +

This is followed by derailing and trolling with the whole "disformation vs. the Chezinu rule":

+ Show Spoiler +

Followed by, wait for it, more uselessness:

+ Show Spoiler +

I'm actually stopping to quote the useless posts now, because I do not want to paste the whole page 2 of his filter here. Some blahblah about "I graduated from Jedi Academy", more bullshit.

But then, there's an interesting series of posts in his filter:

+ Show Spoiler +

From a disformation vote (trolly or not, it was a huge derailing), he likes Palmar, the GF. Then throws in another name, nooniansong. Then ends up calling out Zyrre, a VT. And boom, at last, he says "I randomly copy pasted names" to render everything he just said useless. This is not "brown magic", this is not even non-valuable bullshit. This is clearly derailing the thread, actively creating confusion, trying to mislead people. I mean, those are his townreads, right?

Well, after rendering his list useless by "i just copy pasted", he goes again to it:

"Hey, here are townreads. Hey, no, kidding. Hey, yes, indeed."
Had to think of this (00:59).

Like, what is this even?

A bit later, more on Palmar:


Can't say if it's bold "he's my scum buddy so I townread him" or if it's a real townread. Given that he was the only one voting outside of the Palmar train D2, I think it's "it's too scummy to be scum so people will townread me for that move lol". Exactly the stuff I'd expect out of Chez as far as I got to know him.

Note: up until now (D2), there is not a single scum read given from Chezinu.
But, finally, here they are:



I wonder how this would make sense. Marv would've bussed the shit out of Palmar, while I would've hard defended Palmar D1. I mean, I townread him, right? While I made a huge case on ritoky which was entirely wrong since ritoky was town. How would the combination of marv and me make sense in any way? How would you draw such a conclusion?
Interestingly enough, Chezinu paints a connection between a guy with a top reputation as town and someone who tends to be mislynched easily. If people had to decide between lynching me and lynching marv, I'd be dead.
In that context, the next post makes even more sense:


A direct attack on me - and an attempt to simply get marv's attention, almost like a 3-year-old running to papa, hugging him, "dad, do you love me? i love you too!". So at first, he says "boxerfred and marv, scum together, interesting", then he splits the scum dream team again into "boxer = scum" and "marv what you think of me"? If he really scumreads marv, why would he care for what marv thinks about him?

Oh, and in true Chezinu manner, this tiny little bit of "giving reads" is followed up by more useless stuff:

+ Show Spoiler +

Next up, his reaction to the Palmar flip:
+ Show Spoiler [wtf] +


This post is so scummy.
Remember: at this point in time, Chez has done exactly NOTHING to help town. He didn't drop any hard town reads, he didn't push anyone for being scum, he did not participate in serious discussions, he did exactly nothing to help town. On the contrary, partially, he even derailed the thread into pure unreadable and useless garbage. Then, suddenly, he comes up with this post. I take the following points out of this post:

a. "I helped to form a second wagon on Day 1". This is weak. He's referring to the Zyrre wagon (imho). Yes, given that both have flipped now, we should indeed go back to some VCA of D1 votes. But was it indeed Chez' intention to create a second wagon to simply gain more information? And, way more important: did he REALLY help create that wagon? No! He did not.
b. "I was secretly hoping that Palmar died N1". If that is the case, why didn't Chez vote for Palmar D2? And, way more important:



Zyrre (8): darthfoley, nooniansoong, Chezinu, boxerfred, marvellosity, Damdred, Koshi, justanothertownie, Palmar
Palmar (7): marvellosity, justanothertownie, VayneAuthority, NocturneMage, Rels, disformation, Zyrre, ritoky boxerfred, Damdred
justanothertownie (1): Palmar, Onegu
VayneAuthority (1):MoosyDoosy
nooniansoong (0): Koshi, marvellosity, justanothertownie, Rels, boxerfred
NocturneMage (0),disformation disformation
ritoky (0): boxerfred, Chezinu,
Onegu (0):, nooniansoong
Disformation (0): Chezinu,Chezinu
MoosyDoosy (0): nooniansoong

Not Voting (0):

Tonight Zyrre had been executed.
Day 1 has ended.

Why was he on Zyrre if he wanted to lynch Palmar? He could've made the difference. He could've hammered Palmar, and he even said the he wanted to do it! But he did not do it. Here is the progression:

D1:
1. He likes Palmar. Drops a townread.
2. Votes [color=green]Zyrre[/color], in a close 8-7 scenario, over [color=red]Palmar[/color].

D2:
1. Does not vote Palmar, being the only one not voting Palmar. "Too scummy to be scum", someone said.
2. Once Palmar flips, Chez says that he "secretly wanted Palmar to die D1". Which is an obvious lie.

...but, yeah, ends with:


Now that is bold.



Now, D3. Chez follows marv onto Koshi.



I'm not believing this tbh. Like, if I go into a thread and decide not to read up, I at least read the last 2-3 posts. Your eye directly falls on it, and if you plan to say something about a guy, how can you ignore his bolded red name? So Chez scumreads Koshi, sheeping a guy who should be established and accepted town, marv. The same guy he tried to pocket earlier, by the way.

Chez does nothing to add substance to his Koshi read. He's simply following thread sentiment by marv.

And after this, he goes nuts about me, also without adding substance. Without mentioning even a single post besides my initial post where I have him in my scum list. And, look at that:


"You must be scum. It's just like it."

##vote Chezinu