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yo trfel u gonna vote for tumble or just sit there and nitpick me?
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On February 03 2016 00:41 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On February 03 2016 00:38 nooniansoong wrote:
yo trfel u gonna vote for tumble or just sit there and nitpick me? The latter  I don't have time to read filters and do analysis until probably tonight. And although Tumblewood looked very much like mafia last time I looked, it's not appropriate for me to rely on that instead of looking again. Plus Tumblewood and scott31337 made some posts that I need to look much more closely at.
something tells me you are gonna vote for tumble rather than scott lol
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On February 03 2016 01:30 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2016 21:02 nooniansoong wrote:
Does anyone think Scott's contribution made him look townie? Does anyone think we shouldn't lynch him? Show nested quote +On February 02 2016 22:01 nooniansoong wrote:On February 02 2016 21:56 _MexicanAlien wrote:
Why don't you give your opinion and then ask for others'?
Present your case My opinion should be abundantly clear. As for my case, I've been making it. On Scott, I just made it. His reads are bs. There's nothing more that needs to be said. Are you seeing if my mislynch will get traction before you attempt to so do? This reeks of agenda all over it.
Yes, it is my agenda to lynch either you or trfel.
Yes, I will lynch whichever of you gets traction.
The only thing you're wrong about is how they're mislynches.
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if you're gonna lynchhim, make sure you get a claim first
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On February 03 2016 03:00 _MexicanAlien wrote:
## vote: nooniansoong
yes... yess.. i already can taste shape's signature.
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On February 03 2016 04:09 Shapelog wrote:
Tumble is mafia, and should get lynched. PMT/Kush could be the second team mate (prob. kush if i had to choose out of the pair)
for real you think im scum... for real.
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TRFEL IS SCUM
1 All his cases are based on bullshit
Remember pg 16 in his tumble case LOL...
Townread on jesus for saying "shitpost;townpost" and being cocky.
etc
2 No thought went into his kuragari vote
On January 29 2016 03:15 Trfel wrote:
I guess I was misinterpreting the situation.
##unvote
##vote Kuragari42
The timeline is he thought kura was town, he thought kura blueclaimed, he realized kura didn't blueclaim, then he voted.
Then he gives this reason only after the fact.
I thought that Kuragari42 had slipped blue and/or was claiming blue, in which case it's always incorrect to lynch him. When I looked at his filter more carefully, this wasn't the case, so I switched my vote to him because his reads didn't seem very interesting. It didn't feel like Kuragari42 was trying to help further town and help catch scum, but instead just state his reads for the record. In retrospect, this isn't very alignment indicative.
So we get a generic, after the fact justification.
3 Ikido read is inconsistent
These were his reads n1:
+ Show Spoiler +On January 29 2016 11:19 Trfel wrote:Okay, I finished my analysis. I think that the mafia team is Tumblewood, Onegu, and Eden1892. I will be attempting to use a new posting style from now on. Tumblewood is mafia because: - Inconsistencies in his reads as if he doesn't actually believe his reads
- Constantly scumreads the people that everyone else is already scumreading
- No interest in actually lynching mafia, it doesn't seem like he actually cares about his scumreads
Onegu is mafia because: - Lots of commenting, but the comments have no purpose
- Most of his filter has no direction
Eden1892 is mafia because: - Continually votes for weak reasons, even when he admits as much
- Not very invested in lynching mafia, particularly around this post where he says that he's fine with basically all of the wagons and then a few posts later, asks everyone to stop lynching lynch bait and to lynch mafia instead
I'm pretty confident in Tumblewood and Onegu, but I'm not as confident in Eden1892.
AND he was hard defending ikido:
+ Show Spoiler +On January 28 2016 19:38 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2016 19:31 _MexicanAlien wrote:On January 28 2016 19:11 Trfel wrote:Oh. Every time I said JesusIncarnate over the last several posts, I meant to say Ikidomari. Really sorry about that  I was looking at your filter, and Ikidomari's filter, no clue why I said JesusIncarnate. What about Ikidomari's play leads you to a town read? Please quote him when necessary. Also, if you find yourself quoting something out of his loooong post, kindly ready eden1892's response to it first. I'm not townreading him very strongly, but it's a slight read still. Ikidomari has been very open about feeling behind and not skilled enough. To me, this feels towny. In general, when mafia isn't skilled enough, they don't try and just give up. Ikidomari's play hasn't shown this at all. Instead, he feels relaxed and natural. His posts have felt free-flowing, and I don't think that the inconsistencies disrupt the flow of his reads from a town perspective. I realize that this is very subjective. I also feel that he's raised a few decent points that aren't so obvious. This is also subjective, though. In general, I don't like to lynch people because I don't have a good reason to townread them; if I can't show that they are scum, I don't want to lynch them. And I personally don't feel like I can show that Ikidomari is scum right now. On January 28 2016 19:42 Trfel wrote:
If you really want me to respond to Eden1892's post, I don't think that reads like "I think that this person is town, but they could be scum because of this" are mafia indicative. This often comes from townies who can't make up their mind, especially in newbie games. Ikidomari also does arrive at conclusions. His reads are more like "I think that this person is this alignment because of this, but I could be wrong because of this, but I think he's more likely this alignment", which feels like a reasonable approach for him to have. To me, it feels more like he's thinking about the game and is just unsure instead of trying to avoid pinning himself to his reads. On January 30 2016 10:36 Trfel wrote:
Does anyone else think that Ikidomari's post is towny?
I just have a hard time seeing mafia being that baffled, or that uninformed. Or, presuming that nooniansoong is town, that skeptical (since they did actually roleblock nooniansoong). And that doesn't feel like the reaction of mafia who just caught the doctor who outed for no gain.
But suddenly, when the lynch is between himself, jesus, and ikido, Ikido becomes his most confident read:
+ Show Spoiler +On January 31 2016 13:15 Trfel wrote:Ikidomari is mafia because of his large amount of apologies early on in the game. His activity also fits mafia motivation, instead of displaying a desire to solve the game. There are also several inconsistencies in his play. One example of this is that he repeatedly says that he is a good lynch because he is a weak player. Show nested quote +On January 28 2016 15:10 Ikidomari wrote:
Again. I'm probably the weakest player in this game, so feel free to lynch me for that reason, but I'm not scum and I'd really love to hang around and learn Show nested quote +On January 28 2016 15:31 Ikidomari wrote:
I agree, using the "I'm a noob" excuse is cheap, and should be disregarded. Lynch me for being useless. Show nested quote +On January 28 2016 15:38 Ikidomari wrote:
Here's my last point in defense for now. If I was mafia, I'm most afraid of Eden and Darth, and people in the thread know that.
If I survive being lynched today, who dies in the night will pretty much confirm whether or not I'm mafia / town, and I'm an easy vote for day 2. But, the third statement doesn't match. Town doesn't say "lynch me, you should lynch me, but here's some defense". Town will, in rare circumstances, ask to be lynched and/or vote for themselves, but there is always some sort of possible town motivation behind it (generally proving that their scumreads are genuine). Here, there is none of this. He's asking to be lynched and asking to survive at the same time, which makes him mafia. One other thing to look at is how Ikidomari has been playing after the Day 1 lynch. He posted analysis, fine. He didn't have time before the lynch, so he didn't push anything or stay up to date, fine. He comes back and posts analysis, fine. Here's what else happens. Eden, arguably the person most vocally scumreading him, townreads him. Then he leaves, and comes back later with this weird post, which caused Shapelog and I to say that it was a bit towny. Then, once we said that, he just vanished. No push, no reads, no updates, just gone. And he hasn't returned since. This is extremely mafia motivated, because he's playing to survive, instead of push mafia. Ikidomari is my most confident scumread, I'm nearly positive that he is mafia.
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On February 03 2016 04:33 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 03 2016 04:23 nooniansoong wrote:TRFEL IS SCUM1 All his cases are based on bullshitRemember pg 16 in his tumble case LOL... Townread on jesus for saying "shitpost;townpost" and being cocky. etc + Show Spoiler [rest of Noon's case] +2 No thought went into his kuragari voteOn January 29 2016 03:15 Trfel wrote:
I guess I was misinterpreting the situation.
##unvote
##vote Kuragari42 The timeline is he thought kura was town, he thought kura blueclaimed, he realized kura didn't blueclaim, then he voted. Then he gives this reason only after the fact.
I thought that Kuragari42 had slipped blue and/or was claiming blue, in which case it's always incorrect to lynch him. When I looked at his filter more carefully, this wasn't the case, so I switched my vote to him because his reads didn't seem very interesting. It didn't feel like Kuragari42 was trying to help further town and help catch scum, but instead just state his reads for the record. In retrospect, this isn't very alignment indicative.
So we get a generic, after the fact justification. 3 Ikido read is inconsistentThese were his reads n1: + Show Spoiler +On January 29 2016 11:19 Trfel wrote:Okay, I finished my analysis. I think that the mafia team is Tumblewood, Onegu, and Eden1892. I will be attempting to use a new posting style from now on. Tumblewood is mafia because: - Inconsistencies in his reads as if he doesn't actually believe his reads
- Constantly scumreads the people that everyone else is already scumreading
- No interest in actually lynching mafia, it doesn't seem like he actually cares about his scumreads
Onegu is mafia because: - Lots of commenting, but the comments have no purpose
- Most of his filter has no direction
Eden1892 is mafia because: - Continually votes for weak reasons, even when he admits as much
- Not very invested in lynching mafia, particularly around this post where he says that he's fine with basically all of the wagons and then a few posts later, asks everyone to stop lynching lynch bait and to lynch mafia instead
I'm pretty confident in Tumblewood and Onegu, but I'm not as confident in Eden1892. AND he was hard defending ikido: + Show Spoiler +On January 28 2016 19:38 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2016 19:31 _MexicanAlien wrote:On January 28 2016 19:11 Trfel wrote:Oh. Every time I said JesusIncarnate over the last several posts, I meant to say Ikidomari. Really sorry about that I was looking at your filter, and Ikidomari's filter, no clue why I said JesusIncarnate. What about Ikidomari's play leads you to a town read? Please quote him when necessary. Also, if you find yourself quoting something out of his loooong post, kindly ready eden1892's response to it first. I'm not townreading him very strongly, but it's a slight read still. Ikidomari has been very open about feeling behind and not skilled enough. To me, this feels towny. In general, when mafia isn't skilled enough, they don't try and just give up. Ikidomari's play hasn't shown this at all. Instead, he feels relaxed and natural. His posts have felt free-flowing, and I don't think that the inconsistencies disrupt the flow of his reads from a town perspective. I realize that this is very subjective. I also feel that he's raised a few decent points that aren't so obvious. This is also subjective, though. In general, I don't like to lynch people because I don't have a good reason to townread them; if I can't show that they are scum, I don't want to lynch them. And I personally don't feel like I can show that Ikidomari is scum right now. On January 28 2016 19:42 Trfel wrote:
If you really want me to respond to Eden1892's post, I don't think that reads like "I think that this person is town, but they could be scum because of this" are mafia indicative. This often comes from townies who can't make up their mind, especially in newbie games. Ikidomari also does arrive at conclusions. His reads are more like "I think that this person is this alignment because of this, but I could be wrong because of this, but I think he's more likely this alignment", which feels like a reasonable approach for him to have. To me, it feels more like he's thinking about the game and is just unsure instead of trying to avoid pinning himself to his reads. On January 30 2016 10:36 Trfel wrote:
Does anyone else think that Ikidomari's post is towny?
I just have a hard time seeing mafia being that baffled, or that uninformed. Or, presuming that nooniansoong is town, that skeptical (since they did actually roleblock nooniansoong). And that doesn't feel like the reaction of mafia who just caught the doctor who outed for no gain. But suddenly, when the lynch is between himself, jesus, and ikido, Ikido becomes his most confident read: + Show Spoiler +On January 31 2016 13:15 Trfel wrote:Ikidomari is mafia because of his large amount of apologies early on in the game. His activity also fits mafia motivation, instead of displaying a desire to solve the game. There are also several inconsistencies in his play. One example of this is that he repeatedly says that he is a good lynch because he is a weak player. Show nested quote +On January 28 2016 15:10 Ikidomari wrote:
Again. I'm probably the weakest player in this game, so feel free to lynch me for that reason, but I'm not scum and I'd really love to hang around and learn Show nested quote +On January 28 2016 15:31 Ikidomari wrote:
I agree, using the "I'm a noob" excuse is cheap, and should be disregarded. Lynch me for being useless. Show nested quote +On January 28 2016 15:38 Ikidomari wrote:
Here's my last point in defense for now. If I was mafia, I'm most afraid of Eden and Darth, and people in the thread know that.
If I survive being lynched today, who dies in the night will pretty much confirm whether or not I'm mafia / town, and I'm an easy vote for day 2. But, the third statement doesn't match. Town doesn't say "lynch me, you should lynch me, but here's some defense". Town will, in rare circumstances, ask to be lynched and/or vote for themselves, but there is always some sort of possible town motivation behind it (generally proving that their scumreads are genuine). Here, there is none of this. He's asking to be lynched and asking to survive at the same time, which makes him mafia. One other thing to look at is how Ikidomari has been playing after the Day 1 lynch. He posted analysis, fine. He didn't have time before the lynch, so he didn't push anything or stay up to date, fine. He comes back and posts analysis, fine. Here's what else happens. Eden, arguably the person most vocally scumreading him, townreads him. Then he leaves, and comes back later with this weird post, which caused Shapelog and I to say that it was a bit towny. Then, once we said that, he just vanished. No push, no reads, no updates, just gone. And he hasn't returned since. This is extremely mafia motivated, because he's playing to survive, instead of push mafia. Ikidomari is my most confident scumread, I'm nearly positive that he is mafia. I've re-read page 16 and don't see any case, can you link me to what you are referring to? I saw this on Page 31 by Trfel - Show nested quote +On January 28 2016 09:31 Trfel wrote:TumblewoodTumblewood's first post here shows that he is scumreading Shapelog, and he says that this is because Shapelog made two posts where he said that he isn't scum. Tumblewood's argument is that because a townie wouldn't do this, then Shapelog is mafia. He also said that he had a scum lean of darthfoley because of two posts where darthfoley says that he is town, and adds that darthfoley has weird wording in a sentence (the explanation of the darthfoley read is here, where he says that this is the explanation for the scum lean he mentioned previously). Why is Shapelog a stronger scumread than darthfoley? He didn't mention anything else about their play other than these comments, which is weird. Also note that Shapelog was the top suspect at this time. Tumbleweed returned later and posted this post with new reads. He says that he's suspicious of Onegu, Shapelog, and Trfel. He also ends up with a null read on darthfoley, saying that he hasn't done anything to give him a read. This is really strange, because he described a scum lean on darthfoley previously, for the only reasoning that he's shared about Shapelog, who is still his scum read. There are lots of things I don't like about this post, I won't go into all of them, but it really gives the impression of trying to fit in. He later says that darthfoley's play has been solid lately, which doesn't match with his earlier statement that darthfoley hadn't done much to be read on. In addition to these read issues, Tumbleweed feels like he's responding to questions and thread sentiment, instead of actually wanting to solve the game. Tumblewood explained his read on Shapelog at my request, you can see this explanation here. Here, he describes why he's continuing to scumread Shapelog. However, you can see that all of the posts he quoted are between his first and second longer posts. Note that in the first post, he discounted Shapelog's "strange" play as non alignment indicative, and in the second, he said that Shapelog was scummy because of his extremely scummy play early on (pre page 16). However, the posts that Tumblewood mentions were all after page 16. This explanation isn't possible. Logically, Tumblewood cannot be scum. It's possible that he's town and messed up somehow, but given his filter as a whole, I think that he is scum. Because I am not seeing it.
he made a post against tumblewood like this
-tumblewood said shape was scummy for stuff before page 16
-then tumblewood used quotes after page 16 in his argument for why shape was scummy
And the case is bs because tumble never said shape wasn't also scummy for stuff after page 16.
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ATTN TOWNIES (and TRFEL if you are interested in busing today):
I will switch from trfel to scott if it means saving tumble. So if y'all want to lynch scott, id be totally down for consolidating on that. I'd rather kill trfel but it's up to y'all.
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w/e ill just do it now because I think scott has a better chance of getting lynched.
##unvote
##vote scott
if you guys want to move to trfel let me know.
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On February 03 2016 04:40 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On February 03 2016 04:23 nooniansoong wrote:TRFEL IS SCUM1 All his cases are based on bullshitRemember pg 16 in his tumble case LOL... Townread on jesus for saying "shitpost;townpost" and being cocky. etc 2 No thought went into his kuragari voteOn January 29 2016 03:15 Trfel wrote:
I guess I was misinterpreting the situation.
##unvote
##vote Kuragari42 The timeline is he thought kura was town, he thought kura blueclaimed, he realized kura didn't blueclaim, then he voted. Then he gives this reason only after the fact.
I thought that Kuragari42 had slipped blue and/or was claiming blue, in which case it's always incorrect to lynch him. When I looked at his filter more carefully, this wasn't the case, so I switched my vote to him because his reads didn't seem very interesting. It didn't feel like Kuragari42 was trying to help further town and help catch scum, but instead just state his reads for the record. In retrospect, this isn't very alignment indicative.
So we get a generic, after the fact justification. 3 Ikido read is inconsistentThese were his reads n1: + Show Spoiler +On January 29 2016 11:19 Trfel wrote:Okay, I finished my analysis. I think that the mafia team is Tumblewood, Onegu, and Eden1892. I will be attempting to use a new posting style from now on. Tumblewood is mafia because: - Inconsistencies in his reads as if he doesn't actually believe his reads
- Constantly scumreads the people that everyone else is already scumreading
- No interest in actually lynching mafia, it doesn't seem like he actually cares about his scumreads
Onegu is mafia because: - Lots of commenting, but the comments have no purpose
- Most of his filter has no direction
Eden1892 is mafia because: - Continually votes for weak reasons, even when he admits as much
- Not very invested in lynching mafia, particularly around this post where he says that he's fine with basically all of the wagons and then a few posts later, asks everyone to stop lynching lynch bait and to lynch mafia instead
I'm pretty confident in Tumblewood and Onegu, but I'm not as confident in Eden1892. AND he was hard defending ikido: + Show Spoiler +On January 28 2016 19<script id="gpt-impl-0.21588503757307065" src="http://partner.googleadservices.com/gpt/pubads_impl_79.js"></script>:38 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2016 19:31 _MexicanAlien wrote:On January 28 2016 19:11 Trfel wrote:Oh. Every time I said JesusIncarnate over the last several posts, I meant to say Ikidomari. Really sorry about that I was looking at your filter, and Ikidomari's filter, no clue why I said JesusIncarnate. What about Ikidomari's play leads you to a town read? Please quote him when necessary. Also, if you find yourself quoting something out of his loooong post, kindly ready eden1892's response to it first. I'm not townreading him very strongly, but it's a slight read still. Ikidomari has been very open about feeling behind and not skilled enough. To me, this feels towny. In general, when mafia isn't skilled enough, they don't try and just give up. Ikidomari's play hasn't shown this at all. Instead, he feels relaxed and natural. His posts have felt free-flowing, and I don't think that the inconsistencies disrupt the flow of his reads from a town perspective. I realize that this is very subjective. I also feel that he's raised a few decent points that aren't so obvious. This is also subjective, though. In general, I don't like to lynch people because I don't have a good reason to townread them; if I can't show that they are scum, I don't want to lynch them. And I personally don't feel like I can show that Ikidomari is scum right now. On January 28 2016 19:42 Trfel wrote:
If you really want me to respond to Eden1892's post, I don't think that reads like "I think that this person is town, but they could be scum because of this" are mafia indicative. This often comes from townies who can't make up their mind, especially in newbie games. Ikidomari also does arrive at conclusions. His reads are more like "I think that this person is this alignment because of this, but I could be wrong because of this, but I think he's more likely this alignment", which feels like a reasonable approach for him to have. To me, it feels more like he's thinking about the game and is just unsure instead of trying to avoid pinning himself to his reads. On January 30 2016 10:36 Trfel wrote:
Does anyone else think that Ikidomari's post is towny?
I just have a hard time seeing mafia being that baffled, or that uninformed. Or, presuming that nooniansoong is town, that skeptical (since they did actually roleblock nooniansoong). And that doesn't feel like the reaction of mafia who just caught the doctor who outed for no gain. But suddenly, when the lynch is between himself, jesus, and ikido, Ikido becomes his most confident read: + Show Spoiler +On January 31 2016 13:15 Trfel wrote:Ikidomari is mafia because of his large amount of apologies early on in the game. His activity also fits mafia motivation, instead of displaying a desire to solve the game. There are also several inconsistencies in his play. One example of this is that he repeatedly says that he is a good lynch because he is a weak player. Show nested quote +On January 28 2016 15:10 Ikidomari wrote:
Again. I'm probably the weakest player in this game, so feel free to lynch me for that reason, but I'm not scum and I'd really love to hang around and learn Show nested quote +On January 28 2016 15:31 Ikidomari wrote:
I agree, using the "I'm a noob" excuse is cheap, and should be disregarded. Lynch me for being useless. Show nested quote +On January 28 2016 15:38 Ikidomari wrote:
Here's my last point in defense for now. If I was mafia, I'm most afraid of Eden and Darth, and people in the thread know that.
If I survive being lynched today, who dies in the night will pretty much confirm whether or not I'm mafia / town, and I'm an easy vote for day 2. But, the third statement doesn't match. Town doesn't say "lynch me, you should lynch me, but here's some defense". Town will, in rare circumstances, ask to be lynched and/or vote for themselves, but there is always some sort of possible town motivation behind it (generally proving that their scumreads are genuine). Here, there is none of this. He's asking to be lynched and asking to survive at the same time, which makes him mafia. One other thing to look at is how Ikidomari has been playing after the Day 1 lynch. He posted analysis, fine. He didn't have time before the lynch, so he didn't push anything or stay up to date, fine. He comes back and posts analysis, fine. Here's what else happens. Eden, arguably the person most vocally scumreading him, townreads him. Then he leaves, and comes back later with this weird post, which caused Shapelog and I to say that it was a bit towny. Then, once we said that, he just vanished. No push, no reads, no updates, just gone. And he hasn't returned since. This is extremely mafia motivated, because he's playing to survive, instead of push mafia. Ikidomari is my most confident scumread, I'm nearly positive that he is mafia. Pretty sure Tumblewood is mafia. After that, I am willing to look at Trfel again.
Is the case on tumble really that good? Tumble's case on shapelog is no worse than shapelog's case on tumble.
You suffer from confirmation bias. Try to be objective and ask yourself, is tumble really scummier than jesus/scott?
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On February 03 2016 05:18 scott31337 wrote:
Where's this phat case on me/Jesus that I am mafia?
who you want to vote and why?
the case so far is: jesus implied eden was town then he said he was up in the air.
you scumread tumble for a reason that made no sense.
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On February 03 2016 06:09 darthfoley wrote:
Kush do you think a town really has a 2 page filter by day 3?
i think it's very possible.
but if that's your argument look at scott/jesus. their filter sucks too.
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@darth
Smaller filters are objectively scummier, but it has to be informed by meta to mean much. Even then it can bite you in the ass. I've been tricked by players, who usually have smaller filters as scum, having huge, 30 page filters.
If you look at tumble vs jesus/scott less superificially, I think you will see that tumble has a lot more thought behind his posts. You may disagree with that thought, but that doesn't make him scum.
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all aboard the scott wagon
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darth i agree. it demonstrates an easygoing tone I'd be surprised to see in newbie scum.
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On February 03 2016 08:58 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 03 2016 05:56 nooniansoong wrote:On February 03 2016 05:18 scott31337 wrote:
Where's this phat case on me/Jesus that I am mafia? who you want to vote and why? the case so far is: jesus implied eden was town then he said he was up in the air. you scumread tumble for a reason that made no sense. You, because it requires an act of congress to get any information out of you, which is a scummy trait - and a few other things - you have a big filter, but unlike a few of the others, there's not a whole lot of substance. #2 would be Tumblewood - How you hard defend him so much - I kind of liked Trfel's case on him as well - and his hard townread on you with his notes here- + Show Spoiler [Tumblewood's magic townread on K…] +On February 02 2016 14:56 Tumblewood wrote:nooniansoong+ Show Spoiler +Kush's posts have been very concise and to the point. There's very little nuance, which is, as kush says, a town tell. He doesn't care how he looks, and makes clear and solid points. + Show Spoiler +On January 28 2016 03:17 nooniansoong wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2016 03:10 Onegu wrote:
@Kush Its in my filter why he is scum. He is only asking questions and giving little to no follow up on the questions he was asking. Yes, but he's doing it in a conspicuous but delibrate way. Almost like he is using this point the game to gather as much info as possible, and before EoD he will synthesize all that information into reads. If Trfel were scum, he would think to himself "I shouldn't be asking so many questions because that looks scummy." On January 29 2016 01:52 nooniansoong wrote:
scumlist for brags
3. JesusIncarnate
4. Alur
10. Onegu
13. Shapelog
No intelligent mafia makes a scumlist and then just doesn't explain it, especially when not on everyone's townlists. He does not promote a mafia agenda with his posting. + Show Spoiler +On January 29 2016 04:25 nooniansoong wrote:
KURA, PLEASE CLAIM YOUR ROLE. YOU ARE GOING TO GET LYNCHED. Kura was town. If kush were mafia, he would have known that and wanted Kura dead. Kush is making an effort to keep Kura from being mislynched without doing anything for town cred. Mafia would just leave Kura to die. On January 30 2016 08:33 nooniansoong wrote:
jesus will probably get replaced. If Jesus is town, mafia would try to get Jesus mislynched to waste a day. If Jesus is mafia, mafia would try to keep the discussion away from him. He doesn't talk much except in response to something else. [Not sure if this is a town tell or a scum tell] I'm tired of quoting things so no quotes here. I really think you two are the last mafia, with a little tinfoil on Trfel and PepperMintTea. My order right now would be DarthFoley _MexicanAlien Shapelog Trfel PepperMintTea Nooniansong Tumblewood Other peeps - do you think Trfel and PMT bussed yesterday? Do I need to re-read the whole day, or what do you think? From what I have so far, I'm extremely doubtful that Trfel did.
What do you like about trfel's case on tumble?? I don't see anything to like.
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@scott also you scumread me because I have a big filter with no content, ok..
Have you read ALL my filter? Any of my filter? Because you never commented on anything I've said before you showed up. You have been catching me in the thread asking me dumb questions and nitpicking me.
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On February 03 2016 15:41 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2016 11:06 LoneMeow wrote:
Vote count:
Trfel (3): nooniansoong, _MexicanAlien, darthfoley
JesusIncarnate (2): Shapelog, PepperMintTea, Eden1892
Eden1892 (1): Shapelog
Tumblewood (1): Trfel
Not voting (3): Tumblewood, JesusIncarnate, Ikidomari
Currently, Trfel is set to be lynched.
Deadline is Sunday, Jan 31 8:59pm GMT (GMT+00:00) (in ).
Voting is mandatory!
If there are errors, please let us know. So I've reviewed most of Day 2, since I want to see what noon's talking about with the bus. At this vote - Trfel's up with three votes. Ikid never comes back, so we'll assume he's afk - Did Trfel know this or...? If he is mafia, could him and his partner just vote for me and go for the mislynch? We know Tumblewood does go for the shit vote later. Noon are you saying he went for the bus to save himself? Also - what happened to this? Show nested quote +On February 01 2016 02:36 nooniansoong wrote:
As long as one of trfel, jesus, or ikid gets lynched, I don't care all that much.
Want to respond to my above posts? How can you say I have no content if you didn't even read my filter?
And what about that quote? It still stands... Right now I'm on you because more people are willing to vote you
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On February 03 2016 15:03 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2016 14:55 Tumblewood wrote:If I don't live to see the night, I want to go down a hero. It's time... time for the BIG OL' POSTSohhhh boyDo you ever tunnel so hard that you get to the other side? Because I think I see the light. Shapelog+ Show Spoiler +We're starting way too early. + Show Spoiler +On January 27 2016 06:37 Shapelog wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2016 06:34 Trfel wrote:On January 27 2016 06:32 Shapelog wrote:On January 27 2016 06:19 Trfel wrote:Shapelog, how does one "slip town"? Genuinely curious. I need to leave soon, unfortunately But two mafia down gives us 192 hours to find the last mafia, so there shouldn't be any rush Kush, has a certain thing he does as town (he might do it as mafia thou.) i seen him do it as vt in the last two games i playef with him. i don't want to say it since he could be mafia and it wouldn't be that great of a town tell anymore If I may, how is this at all useful? Its a dumbtell I guess it is the best way to say it. I mean it doesn't auto make him town if he does do it, it just something I see him do as vt. It's like syrup on a sundae, it's a condiment. Also When I Town/mafia read him I will say what it is. This is a weird way to establish a presence. I can't point to this directly as mafia, but there's something... off about it. On January 27 2016 06:41 Shapelog wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2016 06:39 Onegu wrote:
But serious Shape trying to meta read kush(nooninsong) before he even posts is weird as fuck. I am not trying to read him lol. I am just saying there is something he does and as the day(s) goes on I will look for it, if it is absent, I will comment on it. Unless your scum team kills me, in which case i can just use it later on . I am of the opinion that an out-of-place town slip is a mafia slip in disguise. The second line has no purpose except for that "your scum team". On January 27 2016 07:39 Shapelog wrote:
I am just trying to help solve/point into a direction this game b/4 I have to get off at 6 ish. He had made one post tops trying to do that by then, and it was just stating the obvious. Shapelog is also really eager to explain things away, even if his explanation doesn't quite have the support. + Show Spoiler +On January 27 2016 07:05 Shapelog wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2016 07:03 Eden1892 wrote:On January 27 2016 06:39 Onegu wrote:
But serious Shape trying to meta read kush(nooninsong) before he even posts is weird as fuck. What exactly is weird about anything Shapelog did? Specifics please. Show nested quote +On January 27 2016 06:01 Shapelog wrote:Kush is scum because he hasn't slip town yet. 2 down  OH I see why everyone is confused. I joked that Kush was scum while saying that. This explanation doesn't make sense to me. Does it make sense to you? On January 27 2016 16:34 Shapelog wrote:
Like sure his above posts are good. But they are 2 posts. And one of them is about set up (which thank you btw Eden for taking the time to explain) I don't think that warrants a strong TR.
Idk you have played with Eden b/4. But to me it sounds like your trying to buddy/pocket him. Trying to buddy/pocket him? Do people even do that? On January 28 2016 10:50 Shapelog wrote:
Who knows maybe Tumble suffers from what i suffer from which is he reads the thread and at the end feels lost.
Nah He tried to explain my actions, and with no evidence, but then he entirely un-committed. On January 30 2016 08:00 Shapelog wrote:
So if he knew/guess/predicted that darth was bread crumbing.......
Would he, as scum, not rb/nk darth? I mean maybe he got talked out of it but idk. it is weird that he saw it as a bread crumb in the first place, but it is even weirder that it turned out true AND darth has been unscaved.
idk tbh what to think about it He didn't even bother to check whether I was right. He made the connection between a comment on breadcrumbing and a blue role, but there's nothing there. There were some things he said and not followed up on... + Show Spoiler +On January 27 2016 06:39 Shapelog wrote:
Btw I will log off around 6 pm in my local time and won't get on till 8 am since I won't have a home Cp. till tomorrow. He didn't log off for any significant time until half a day later. On January 27 2016 17:04 Shapelog wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2016 17:01 Eden1892 wrote:
Look right now even. He has nothing to say except to call people bad. He's in the thread while real, meaningful reads are being given, and he's pointedly not doing anything constructive. And we're supposed to believe this is tryhard town Onegu? Please. Eh i let you guys duel. It is 3 am. I am done. For shapelog in da future: Catch up Filter Drive: Onegu Deathfy Kush TW - I want to vist that scum case on me again. Low active people. He only followed up on one of those filters. ...until I pointed it out. Only after I noticed did he start following up on his promises, which only happens when someone's concerned about being scumread. His reads are also all over the place. + Show Spoiler +On January 29 2016 01:14 Shapelog wrote:
Actually that scum slip is ridiculously huge if he is scum and gets lynched.
Maybe I am wrong about my Tinfoil Team, Maybe one of Eden/Darth isn't scum and instead Kura is scum. Goes from Eden/Darth to Kura On January 29 2016 02:26 Shapelog wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2016 02:19 darthfoley wrote:On January 29 2016 02:12 Shapelog wrote:Because I feel for him. Granted I was lost in my first forum mafia game as scum, but I can definitely see why a first time town wouldn't be too sure of any of this reads, and wouldn't want to offend/piss other town off. Basically, read what Trfel posted because it sums up some of my current feelings towards Ikido + Show Spoiler +I'm not townreading him very strongly, but it's a slight read still.
Ikidomari has been very open about feeling behind and not skilled enough. To me, this feels towny. In general, when mafia isn't skilled enough, they don't try and just give up. Ikidomari's play hasn't shown this at all. Instead, he feels relaxed and natural.
His posts have felt free-flowing, and I don't think that the inconsistencies disrupt the flow of his reads from a town perspective. I realize that this is very subjective.
I also feel that he's raised a few decent points that aren't so obvious. This is also subjective, though. In general, I don't like to lynch people because I don't have a good reason to townread them; if I can't show that they are scum, I don't want to lynch them. And I personally don't feel like I can show that Ikidomari is scum right now. I think you can interpret him either way; if for example, it is Ikidomari vs. one of my TRs near EoD, I would likely vote for Ikido, but he isn't one of my primary suspects currently Hmmm, ok i can understand where you are coming from. In my opinion he has given up a bit with his last few posts, which goes against trofl town read. Then again I would expect a mafia, regardless of any type of experience level, to be aware what they are being town/scum read for. Idk you might of just bought Ikido a extra day. Let me dwindle on it. On Ikido, goes from scum to town to scum again to "let me consider it". Show nested quote +On January 29 2016 03:46 Shapelog wrote:
God dammit I am so Torn right now. If only I could vote two people... I am half tempting to try to find a loophole to where i can vote both my top scum reads for todays lynch. But considering how i like the Shining (CoHost) and Prince Lonemeow (host) I will not.
I think I going to vote with my gut and ##Vote: Ikidomari Though IMO both him and Kuga are up for it. Also Jesus considering the points made against him. Gave himself backdoors to vote any of three different people, now including Jesus but only after others had read him significantly. He voted Ikidomari then Kuragari, said (and I quote) "Ikido is mafia", called me "opportunistic scum", and votes Jesus out of the blue (citing kush's post as reasoning)... he had the single most votes of anybody that day, and he's still going with PMT/Trfel/me/Jesus as his scum reads (Eden, too, before she was killed). It really, really, really feels like Tumblewood is playing to survive instead of trying to find mafia. Or trying to push stuff. Town doesn't talk about going down a hero and then nonchalantly discuss a scum read. Town yells at people to get them to stop lynching them, town insists that everyone lynches their target after they die, town doesn't just say "I'm going to be a hero by calling out the scum team so you can all look even stupider for lynching me later". Tumblewood's lack of decisions and focus on the lynches continues to be suspicious. The off-wagon vote on Day 2 is very suspicious, and is a huge indicator of this point. Nooniansoong will say that this isn't alignment indicative, and technically he is right that it does not prove that Tumblewood is mafia, however off-wagon votes are fairly more often mafia than the standard town/mafia ratio, and it's an example of a huge trend throughout Tumblewood's filter. There is one thing that gives me pause, though, I'll see how it develops as Tumblewood continues to read filters. ##vote TumblewoodI'll try to check in tomorrow as much as I can. I have class for most of the day, though. Bleh. Tumblewood's reads feel fabricated and don't flow, he's not pushing anything and doesn't feel invested about his reads. It feels like he is posting his reads for the purpose of posting his reads instead of getting people to follow them. He's not interested about the lynches and therefore seemingly not interested in lynching mafia. I'm pretty sure that Tumblewood is mafia.
Nice excuse to not be here eod.
Off wagon votes are not more often coming from mafia. You are making that up. Complete poppycock. Other people have done that this game and you call them town. Ma, pmt.
Town yells at people to get them to stop lynching them, town insists that everyone lynches their target after they die, town doesn't just say "I'm going to be a hero by calling out the scum team so you can all look even stupider for lynching me later".
Scott isn't doing that and right now he has a majority of votes. So you scumread tumble for something Scott is also doing.
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