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AlotSomuch

95 Posts

January 16 2016 22:15 GMT

#375

On January 17 2016 07:09 Cephiro wrote:

AlotSomuch

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Dislikes the post and considers it horrible (as do most in the thread at that point?), but never brings up any reason why.

excuse you, I elaborated on this point when asked by Trifle, and he himself actually said he got where I was coming from.

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1. Feels less confident about Trfel, yet doesn't point out specific reasons why. (Saying play is more town / more scum means nothing if you don't clarify what exactly are the things that make you feel that way.)
2. Regardless of #1, wants to keep Trfel as a 2ndary wagon?
3. Doesn't point out any specifics about what he agrees with about the Holyflare case.

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Agrees with the point rayn made, and considers it enough of a reason to keep voting Trfel, then mentions how he's been looking better than Holyflare. Talks about how Holy has the majority of votes and expects rayn to swap target to Trfel if he ends up seeming more scummy?

Why not swap his on vote on holyflare that he considers more scummy and pressure him further, rather than constantly keep two viable lynch options that both take turns being scummier than the other? Mind you, he still hasn't presented any logical reasoning (only that he agrees/disagrees with points previously made, or feels more/less towny/scummy about a person, never anything specific).

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Gauging interest / encouraging to vote for Trfel, while just mentioning he considers Trfel's case on Holyflare good enough to support?

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Suddenly back to thinking Trfel is the more likely mafia, why would he ever take the case on Holyflare made by Trfel seriously if he considers Trfel mafia?

No specific reasoning and never anything of substance regarding any other player in the game, while having been around and posted a decent bit.
He also isn't really committing trying to lynch either player (not that it looks like it's necessary right now?), and gives me off a vibe that is more about wanting to convey a feeling of "I've been sharing my opinion and participated", rather than "I'm trying to lynch my mafia read."

Thus;

##Vote: AlotSomuch

Honestly most of this is utter crap where you answer your previous question with my very next quote or leave out the quotes where I answer these same questions from other players. This is a skimmy case made of skimmy facts and skimmy reasons, but a whole lot of crap.

AlotSomuch

95 Posts

January 16 2016 22:32 GMT

#383

Literally every single one of your questions was already asked and answered. You are literally being too lazy to do any of your own research and are asking me to fix your case for you, while multiple people are telling you the things you say I never answered and explained, were in fact answered and explained.

AlotSomuch

95 Posts

January 16 2016 22:34 GMT

#386

On January 17 2016 07:26 Cephiro wrote:
If he constantly thought that Trfel was the better lynch, why the hell would he ever take Trfel's case on Holyflare seriously? That doesn't make any sense.

If your #1 scumread makes a case on someone, who the hell reacts to that by saying the case is good and has valid points, making that #1 scumread less scummy and the case they made the person on more scummy, and still somehow keeping the #1 scumread as #1?

Someone explain me how you wrapped your heads around that logic? Because I sure as hell don't see why a townie would ever react that way.

This is DAY 1. I don't know you people. I think Trifle is probably mafia, and I vote him. He starts making some good points. Not good enough to cover up the bad stuff I already find him suspicious for, but just because I'm suspicious of someone does not mean they can't make good cases. I leave my vote where it is, and admit that if Holey DOES get lynched, and he DOES flip mafia, then I'm probably wrong about Trifle and won't go after him day 2. I say that because at the time it looks more likely holey will get lynched instead of trifle. What exactly is so difficult to understand about this?

AlotSomuch

95 Posts

January 16 2016 22:42 GMT

#393

On January 17 2016 07:38 Ace wrote:

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Don't rule out a Trifle/HF scum team

Except I already have. Why would they start to back off from each other at the End of the phase, when after going for each other throughout the day they could have ended with one of them looking great, instead of STILL getting lynched (as they have stayed the top vote candidates throughout) and looking awful for backing off at the last minute in a failed attempt to save a scummate?

AlotSomuch

95 Posts

January 16 2016 22:49 GMT

#403

On January 17 2016 07:43 Cephiro wrote:

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So what you're saying is... you think Trfel is the likeliest mafia. Then he spouts out a decent case which you agree with to some extent.

My line of thought is this:

1) Why would you give a shit about what mafia thinks unless you think you can associate their fake case into finding more mafia, or alternatively confirming someone as town?
2) If you're not confident enough that they're mafia and willing to admit the case has good points that you agree with and would push, why do you keep thinking of them as your #1 mafia read?
3) Since you're clearly unsure if Trfel is mafia or not, why aren't you trying to push the issue more strongly / question him further to ensure your read on him?

It really doesn't look like a town trying to get his scumread lynched, especially with the way you're keeping your options open. A townie shouldn't think about keeping options open, but to find the mafia and get that player killed. With the amount of pushing for someone you've been doing on your own accord, and the wishy-washyness regarding actually being fine with either of the current top-2 lynch targets, I don't see that sincerely coming from town. You're not willing to commit to your read the way a townie should be doing, thus I'm very certain you're scum.

If you can absolutely peg mafia without having any doubts whatsoever within the first 24 hours of day 1 short of a mafia slip, my hat off to you. I think I found the most LIKELY mafia. I can obviously still be wrong. Holey fell into 2nd place most likely. I'm not going to change votes from 1stplace most likely to 2nd place most likely. And at this point, as it has been trhoughout the entire day, they are the top two lynch candidates. And sorry I don't push to your satisfaction? I'm sticking with my gut and voting Trifle. I haven't seen a better case that I like enough to switch, and I actually feel like I'm doing an ok job keeping up with the thread and remembering who is who when I know 2/12 other players.

AlotSomuch

95 Posts

January 17 2016 02:00 GMT

#514

Ok, not actually sure what happened with the Palmer wagon that appeared out of nowhere at the end of the day...
As for HoleyFlair's little post:
Point 1: I said Rayn's logic made sense the way Rayn goes step by step, not that he was necessarily right, but it wasn't a scummy trying to make up something logic. I said that you seemed legitimately upset about having to play another 24 hours and seemed towny. Neither of these have actually been proved true or false yet, so I'm not quite sure how this is TMI since you are both still alive.

Point 2: I said Trifle was the scummiest. Later I did find he was making some better posts, and his case on you had some good points. I said I still felt he was the scummiest though, and that was where I was leaving my vote.

Point 3: When Rayn asked me if I disagreed with his case because I was somewhat less confident in my Trifle vote, I read back through the day and found where he posted about trifle's post that both he and I had issues with (for both some shared and some different reasons). I looked that up because Rayn asked me if I no longer agreed with it. As previously stated, I thought that post was really bad, still did, still do, and just thought he had some better posts after, but those didn't cover up the post.

Point 4: The wagons are on you and Trifle. I think trifle is the most suspicious, but admit that trifle has made some good points on you. If VE actually put his vote where he said it was going, the votes would be tied, and if Rayn kept going in the direction he was, I got the feeling he was actually going to switch to Trifle. Yet even so, my thought was that if you did happen to get lynched and flipped mafia, which I probably would have given like a 30% chance at that point, Trifle would be very towny and that'd be great. If you flipped town, then I'd push even more for Trifle day 2. Also, how can I have always townread you if in Point 3 you point out that I start seeing the logic in some of the points against you made by trifle?

Point 5: I already pointed out that I agreed with some of the points brought by Trifle, which to elaborate were that you were showing 0 motivation to solve the game, making random votes with little reasoning behind them and absolutely 0 followup, and just baiting Rayn. You had 0 interest in finding who was mafia, and just voted however.

Point 6: I swear I remember more, but there was definitely this:
"Well initially I was annoyed and then I didn't like that ritoky and damdred didn't respond to anything meaningfully or even post responses and so I wanted to vote damdred for not even engaging me = mafia.

But then trfel came and posted that post which was ridiculous.

##vote trfel

And I would absolutely write everything i wrote as mafia so anyone even thinking it makes me an alignment is dumb or mafia (trfel). "

AlotSomuch

95 Posts

January 17 2016 02:16 GMT

#518

Most recent:
http://www.vendetta-strada.net/showthread.php?tid=2015
http://www.vendetta-strada.net/showthread.php?tid=1902

AlotSomuch

95 Posts

January 18 2016 13:06 GMT

#671

So....yeah...first TL game. I think it went swimmingly! Down a drainpipe!

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