EPTI am going 20000 Leagues deep on tube getting framed and ray being shot to protect kush.
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Eden1892
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I am going 20000 Leagues deep on tube getting framed and ray being shot to protect kush. | ||
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Eden1892
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Goddam poker analogies forcing me to play to odds instead of following gut | ||
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On January 13 2016 06:44 GiygaS wrote: I'm a little bit weirded out that widen refused to believe my cop claim until everybody else did I believed your claim basically from the drop, it didn't make sense otherwise. I ran through all the possibilities to be thorough, but my acceptance of your cop claim was pretty quick and certainly not "until everybody else did." I didn't believe your scan to be true. And I still don't. I'm voting Tubesock with significant reservations, and may very well vote somebody else by EOD | ||
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On January 13 2016 07:54 darthfoley wrote: At the time I unvoted I did believe Tubesock's defense against GiygaS. However, as the day progressed I realized how easy I am to manipulate because most arguments seem more credible to me than they really are. I started to get this feeling because Rayne kept grilling Tubesock over it regarding details I hadn't thought of. I then voted on VA because I was suspicious of his inactivity and thought it was a safe bet. But because I trusted Rayne the most, I took his advice and looked through his D1 posts from other games. I saw his point and decided that I wouldn't vote VA EoD1, leaving me to either go back to Tubesock, or randomly vote for people I didn't have strong suspicions of: GiygaS, Boxerfred, slOosh or Koshi. I didn't find any of those people more suspicious than Tubesock, so I voted Tubesock. Even though Tubesock had 3 votes when I got back on the wagon, votes were spread thinly so I didn't want to screw up with some shot in the dark against someone else. I'm gonna need a little more than "I'm easily manipulated" to explain your sudden dissatisfaction with Tubesock's defense. As someone who has the same issue of being easily swayed by credible-sounding arguments, I still don't flip for no reason. The reason may not even be GOOD, but there's a reason for the flip. You haven't actually given me that reason. | ||
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I know they are never the scum team. So if they can't both be town then lynching either one is equally fine from an information standpoint. Then I don't feel like a donkey for voting darthfoley instead of the copcheck. I just have trouble with the concept of darthfoley being town, which makes it hard to answer the "can they both be town" question. | ||
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On January 13 2016 10:15 Koshi wrote: Riddle me this, who is mafia out of those 2 ![[image loading]](http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/batman/images/b/bc/The_Riddler_in_B.A.A.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20110527001441) there is 1 guy who people thinks is a good player who has solely attacked (now) confirmed townies during the entire entity of D1 and only came back at the very end of the day to defend a mafia and suggest to lynch between giygas and Tubesock. who then during the night was completely useless but made a testament AGAIN saying there is mafia between giygas and tubesock, for reasoning he found during D1. who then during the start of D2 when it became clear giygas was cop and got a redcheck on Tubesock, said that tubesock was very likely framed. But waffled on it a bit and waited and waited and waited and then just followed suit and voted Tubesock reluctantly because you know, "poker reasons" Or the other guy who has been solving the game, lynched mafia, been attacked by mafia, been involved in everything, has the highest filter in the game, is generally townread, voted for the redcheck D1, and has really not made a single mafialike post in the entire game. Who is the mafia guys? Who could it be? Well, there are multiple issues with your descriptions, like the part where I'm actually good, or have a reputation built off of anything besides being a loudmouth that talked way too highly of himself. But mainly I wonder who you mean by #2. There's multiple people who have played better than me, like everyone who lynched mafia day 1. If you're talking about yourself then you're clearly town and I have no clue what this crybaby tantrum is about because you're never being lynched. | ||
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On January 13 2016 10:50 GiygaS wrote: Eden can you explain why you thought I was lying initially? I read the guy town so logically*... Never had a knee jerk reaction to game-changing info? It wasn't smart lol | ||
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On January 13 2016 00:48 Tubesock wrote: slOosh is Town. First to vote, votes Koshi. slOosh then moves onto VayneAuthority after slOosh and Koshi hug it out and Vayne says he prefers to lynch someone else then votes slOosh. slOosh makes it clear he'll go to Boxer and then does before even Koshi does. He went to Boxer when I still had 4 on me and it was 2:2 boxer/giygas. If you think I will flip red then this shows he saved me over Boxer and killed our roleblocker instead of GiygaS. Tinfoil that he forsaw Boxer switch and wanted town credit. But after I flip green, this clears him 100%. His read progression on wagons and his votes: (GiygaS, me, Boxerfred, VayneAuthority): + Show Spoiler [VA scums slOosh too much] + On January 09 2016 12:25 slOosh wrote: Hmm big things are you as strong town for picking up on similar things to me + more. GGTeMpLaR I also noticed his first post was kinda awkward, but I felt like he could very well be those townies that if you pressure they just ... react poorly? I'm not sure how to phrase it, but I don't think a direct pressure approach would work out. So I wanted him to post on something else to figure out if he is nervous b/c scum or nervous b/c newer player. Vayne ... I feel like he is reading me slightly more scum than someone reasonably could? Either that or his style of playing is very different to mine, almost like Oatsmaster or something if he is still around. No one else has too much for me. + Show Spoiler [Scums me and VA 4 lurkee profile] + On January 10 2016 02:46 slOosh wrote: Ok so I think it's a fair assessment to say that thus far in this game, I have been receiving the most flak. There's been some other things here and there, but not quite the same level as the attention to me. Additionally, I would say that the general vibe thus far is quite good. There is a good atmosphere for discussion, people are talking and explaining instead of shouting / attacking. So I would say that I expect mafia playstyle (in this context right now) to look more laid back, non intrusive and perhaps adding some fuel to the slOosh lynch wagon to make sure it goes through. Who fits this bill? mderg - I read him as detached from thread. I'm one of the biggest topics at this point and he has yet to say anything about me. He only posted when prompted and doesn't look interested in helping people figure things out. Tubesock - rayn pointed out his complaint of something that had not happened yet. Scum complain about things without doing anything to help. He is lurking hard so tough to say more, but in this context, scum would be more likely to lurk. VayneAuthority - hasn't produced any posts outside of getting suspicion on me - fits the bill of getting the D1 mislynch secured without putting more effort than necessary Will answer GGTemplar's list next. + Show Spoiler [towns Boxer, with bonus Darth find] + On January 10 2016 03:01 slOosh wrote: I like darth's posting thus far. He engages in topics that are relevant to the thread at the time and gives fleshed out explanations. I believe that mderg's read shows that he isn't reading the thread closely. If he was, (or if he was at least reading darthfoley closely), he should have seen this post. I would also suspect that he should also have been able to point out darthfoley's mistake in time order, as Koshi posted what he did before my spurt of posting, before I was an "active poster". Furthermore, I don't get the sense that he is actually trying to convince anyone. He is throwing out a read, explaining it, but that's it. Looks like he is trying to keep up appearances. I liked this post from boxerfred. He thinks Koshi is scum, and first thing he does is question why other people have town reads on him. He actually looks engaged in wanting either others convinced to lynch Koshi or himself convinced that Koshi is town. + Show Spoiler [scumlist mderg VA Tube] + + Show Spoiler [VA secondary lynch target] + On January 10 2016 16:45 slOosh wrote: I think it is a decently a compelling point against GiygaS and am interested in his response. At this point I would place mderg, vayne and kmatt as lynch preferences. I don't see how people are reading mderg town, and I've yet the time to properly read vayne's meta b/c I don't really see any content from him. + Show Spoiler [votes VA] + On January 10 2016 17:15 slOosh wrote: Bah I'm falling asleep so can't followup on Tubesock / GiygaS till tomorrow. I will leave with my stronger preference on lynching Vayne. He is clearly not interested in engaging with town in any fashion. His best read after me is a total cop-out. And I just found out that while he doesn't bother adding to town discussion at all, he does make sure he leaves a vote on me in the voting thread. I think this is the best lynch right now. ##Vote VayneAuthority On January 10 2016 15:30 rsoultin wrote: Edited Vote Count Tubesock (4): Eden1892, Koshi, GiygaS, darthfoley slOosh (2): GGTeMpLaR, VayneAuthority VayneAuthority (2): nooniansoong, slOosh Koshi (1): boxerfred GiygaS (1): Tubesock Not voted (4): mderg, Kmatt, Raynpelikoneet Currently, Tubesock is being lynched. You have until Sunday, Jan 10 11:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00), or to lynch someone. Voting is mandatory and done in this thread. + Show Spoiler [Says GigygaS vs Tube is TvT] + On January 11 2016 05:28 slOosh wrote: Yea I definitely don't think we should be lynching either GiygaS or Tubesock today. There's enough good things from each player but nothing so bad that you could lynch them with that much confidence (there might be and if you see something please share with the rest of class). It could easily be town vs town. + Show Spoiler [can go on Boxer if it goes] + On January 11 2016 05:58 slOosh wrote: Ok. I'm ok with that too if we end up going that way. + Show Spoiler [Votes Boxerfred] + On January 11 2016 07:05 slOosh wrote: I'm moving to boxerfred. I really don't think Tubesock is the lynch here. ##Vote boxerfred + Show Spoiler [Votebox, slOosh votes with #1 scumread] + On January 11 2016 06:25 Trfel wrote: Edited Unofficial Vote Count Tubesock (3): Koshi, GiygaS, Raynpelikoneet,darthfoley VayneAuthority (2): nooniansoong, GiygaS (2): Tubesock, Eden1892 boxerfred (2): GGTeMpLaR, mderg, slOosh slOosh (1): VayneAuthority Koshi (1): boxerfred Not voted (2): Kmatt, darthfoley Currently, Tubesock is being lynched. You have until Sunday, Jan 10 11:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00), or to lynch someone. Voting is mandatory and done in this thread. + Show Spoiler [Noon read] + Beginning to talk about Noon switch link On January 11 2016 07:51 slOosh wrote: rayn, just so you don't feel like you are talking to deaf ears: I disagree with your initial noon case. The first quote he said that you thought was useless was like 1 hour into D1, giving a towntell to Koshi for being indifferent doesn't seem weird and being ok with lynching Vayne for various reasons doesn't seem that weird either. I think it is a playstyle thing where you assume everyone should play a certain fashion and if they don't they are scum, but they could just be playing a different playstyle. I will agree with you that he has low post count, but I think at least he is checking into thread ala. tubesock read. why did you spend all this time making this towncase for an un-cc'd named vt........ | ||
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Eden1892
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On January 13 2016 07:15 darthfoley wrote: Okay I've read the last couple of pages and I will try to respond to everything that's been presented against me. I'll provide my reads currently Confirmed town: slOosh (named VT and no one can counterclaim), GiygaS (cop) ~100% confirmed town in my mind: GGTemplar. As I posted earlier, GGTemp was on the boxerfred wagon from the beginning, and I can't see a mafia strat including bussing your RB from almost the beginning of day 1. I'm less certain (but would bet) that Koshi is playing a good town game. However, I've rightly caught a lot of flak for being wishy washy on my voting habits; Koshi voted for four people during the day phase (Nooniansong, VA, Tubesock, Boxerfred). While unlikely, is it impossible for him to be on Tubesock, realize it won't go through, and switch to Boxerfred because the town cred for being on the correct lynch wagon vastly outweighs the benefit of having a suspiciously inactive mafia around that could eventually be tied back to you, even if it's the RB? Boxerfred in his kill post even said he realized he couldn't be active. I think smart mafia may be able to use that to their advantage in their QT thing. May i'm getting too tin-foil hatty here, or perhaps i'm sherlock holmes. This would basically confirm town Tubesock though, unless we somehow had two correct lynch wagons going on D1. Regarding VA, I just want to point this post out near the beginning of the game from Koshi. If VA is either a smart town or good mafia, it makes sense why he would target me coming out N1 with a hard read on me. I've clearly been wishy washy on votes, misread posts, and haven't really led town discussion on anything, which signals weak first game town that can easily be made into a *ding ding ding, darth checks off all the mafia bells.* I understand why his case is compelling, except I haven't "feigned ignorance" like he says I have. I fully accept that I haven't been a strong town, but I haven't relied on the newbie crutch at all imo. If you guys end up lynching me, take good look at him when I come back green. I've gone through mderg's filter and I think he is probably town at this point; I don't think it would make sense to get off the Boxerfred wagon at that point in the day if he were trying to claim town cred for a correct lynch. While his filter is shorter than most, I don't see anything incriminating him currently. With the setup confirmed A, I think Tubesock is a potential frame target, however the EoD vote was so scattered that I could see mafia team including Tubesock deciding to not frame Tubesock to green. Given how his wagon kind of collapsed near the end of the day, there seemed to be some consensus that Tubesock was acting more townie. Personally i'm not very sold on the WIFOM "lynch me!" because isn't that exactly what you would do to come off as a town, willing to die for the good of the order? Noonian - I'm not sure what I think of Noonian at this point. While it doesn't make much sense for a mafia to defend someone who is likely to be lynched in the next day or two, it could also maybe(?) establish town creds when I flip green. Noon hasn't really given any reads besides his mderg+Eden hail mary, so that gives me some scum vibes. Scott - I don't want to beat a dead horse, but Scott's number 1-7 thing is pretty questionable. His excuse that he hadn't updated it when he posted it is also kind of silly: GGTemp being the same as me at 5.5, even though he advocated hard for boxerfred, and I didn't? I don't know why, if he's been reading the thread like he says he has, you would only have a "light" town read on GGTemp. I also don't think his case against mderg has any legs to stand on, leaving him with little substance even though he's posted a fair amount. He's my #2 lynch behind Tubesock. Eden - I think he's been especially strong since EoD1, making me fairly confident he's town. His discussion of mafia teams/lynch strategy make a lot of sense if you agree that either (but not both) me or Tubesock are mafia-- and most of you do. I realize this is the dreaded wall of text, but I haven't been able to post for a while soooooo 100% town: sloosh, giygas, ggtemplar pretty town: me, mderg shrug: noonian lynch: tubesock, scott koshi is ?????? you say probably a good townie game but then spend the rest of the paragraph talking about how he's mafia... va is "smart town or good mafia" who we should look at This is pretty uninspiring for me. Obvious town reads are obvious, made only slightly spicy by somehow not town reading Koshi as strongly as some other town reads. Obvious lynches are obvious. The thing that would actually help us solve this game is sorting out the trio of darthfoley, Vayne and kush. darth gives us very little about this -- his read on Vayne seems to imply that he thinks Vayne is mafia (see "when I flip green look at this guy"), but he starts off by saying "If VA were smart town or good mafia," his behavior makes sense. So all I learn from this is that darth doesn't think VA is dumb town. Great I guess, but not really helping. It's also strange to me that darth combines a very conceding treatment of VA's arguments (stuff like "I understand I haven't been a great townie" and the like), but then still thinks we should suspect VA. If VA's arguments are reasonable enough to force a concessive "I understand I haven't been a great townie" type of reaction, then why would VA be suspicious for giving such an argument? Shocking, I know, but this seems like a mafia reaction to me. Acknowledge your opponent has a point, but still try to paint your opponent as suspicious for making it. Not liking it. And then there's just not a lot said about Noonian either way, looks like a light scumread but darth isn't initiating a lot of conversation with Noonian to sort out his read. Especially given how Noonian should be near the top of his suspects list given his reads and the game state information we have, I'm -- surprise -- suspicious of darth here too. | ||
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Eden1892
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On January 13 2016 18:24 scott31337 wrote: Reading your filter, this stuck out to me. why | ||
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On January 13 2016 22:32 Koshi wrote: This is all very weak stuff. It doesn't convince me of anything. It are just a bunch of words without direction. What's weak about it or lacking in direction? You're free not to be convinced, but my points are definitely good and the direction (darthfoley is mafia) should be very clear to anybody reading. You're complaining about a wasted day but then wasting your time on making a post like this? | ||
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Eden1892
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At like 4am or something I had said we needed to settle darthfoley Vayne and kush. I woke up this morning and said to myself on the way to work, "Vayne and kush haven't done anything since the red check." This is important because I tend to forget everything in a game when I go to sleep. So just randomly connecting them twice has to mean something right? I am convinced Tubesock is town. I don't know how much I care to argue it when I'm pretty sure most of the town won't pass on lynching the redcheck. But he is town. Of this I am certain. I think the "best" lynches are probably in that Vayne/kush duo. Both of them are too experienced at this game to be doing literal nothing. I am selfish and want my pet case on darthfoley to see a lynch though. Plus I don't have time before EOD to make a case worth a shit. You guys should not vote Tubesock because even though he's being derpy and making town cases on town people, he's still trying to get his views out there. I think his posts are genuine and although he got massively REKT by giygas claiming cop, his argument on giygas was pretty reasonable and seemed to come from town to me. He just isn't doing anything I expect scum to do here. You guys should vote darth because he has this weird flip flop on Tubesock d1 that doesn't make sense and his reads aren't doing anything to help us solve the game. You look past what I consider a lazy easy lynch on Tubesock and he has the weird spammy drunken replacement poster, who's still trying, as his #2 lynch, and nothing really to say about the likely mafia pool of Vayne and kush. He's probs mafia with one of them and is my pick for scum today. Don't lynch Tubesock when we got a framer, I know it's statistically "unlikely" that he's not mafia, but this game isn't poker. It's not a game of statistics, it's a game of informed reads, and Tubesock is town | ||
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Are you tellin me that because at one point I was sure there had to be mafia between Tubesock and Giygas that I am forever beholden to think that, even if I tr one of them later and the other claims cop? Because that's fucking dumb as as shit. You bitch about bad posting but what the fuck are you even doing? Not questioning Vayne or kush who are for sure the real top suspects outside of darth (and I guess Tubesock with the red check). Quit harassing me every time I check in. You are so goddamned tedious to play with. | ||
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On January 14 2016 04:07 mderg wrote: Eden, do you seriously think lynching Tubesock is a bad decision? Yeah. It's a perfectly logical, reasonable decision that's also the wrong decision to make. I fully understand what people are doing lynching him, but he just seems so town to me. | ||
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I'll take Vayne or kush even. But this Tubesock guy is working so damn hard and if he's mafia there's no point. We would just ignore literal everything he said. Like come on guys. There's a fuckin Framer in the game confirmed. Would ANY of you lynch him outside of the redcheck? Because if not the. The redcheck should mean NOTHING to you. | ||
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You want to lynch kush? Lets fucking go! | ||
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Why does he ever do this work on D2 as caught scum? The answer is NOT to confuse the town. This town is smart enough to ignore everything he says after the redcheck if he flips scum. We would know it is all WIFOM bullshit and all of his work would be a waste of his own time. The answer is NOT to save himself. Notice that he not only makes no appeals to setup, when it is known there is a framer and he could plausibly make that appeal -- no, not only does he not do that, he also actively asks town to kill him! And with the votes piling up, you would expect him not to use that tactic, since it's clearly not working. Unless you submit that he's just trolling the game or bad at mafia (which is VERY weak -- NEVER underestimate your opponent when there is a better explanation), then there is no explanation for his behavior as caught scum. The explanation on the town side is obvious. He knows he's innocent, but he's no fool. He doesn't believe he can argue his way out of a redcheck, and he knows his team can afford the ML. So, he instead focuses all his energy on productive casework that we can use after he flips green. It's a totally reasonable and savvy town move. Based on that alone I am more than comfortable town reading him, I am stumping for him and will continue to defend him until the flip or until we lynch someone else. "He got red checked" is not good enough when a framer is in the format given how much more likely than normal it is that he would be framed, REGARDLESS OF HIS ALIGNMENT! Earlier I posited that it is unlikely that the mafia would NOT frame Tubesock innocent. Who else would they frame? Who else was scum and under fire yesterday? If your only reason for lynchingthis man is the red check then you MUST reconsider! Think about it! What else has he done that's suspicious? | ||
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On January 14 2016 06:44 VayneAuthority wrote: So we don't lynch tubesock and let's say we lynch me or darthfoley or kush or w/e and they flip green, and now you by proxy look terrible scummy along with tubesock, eden. Is that really the state of the game you want? I can't imagine so if you are town, that is a terrible place to leave town in. It doesnt solve the redcheck and simultaneously spreads the lynch pool to be even more convoluted I don't give a damn how it "looks." The red check is already solved in my mind. I am town and will be more than capable of proving it all game long. Why would I care about either of these things? I want not to lynch Tubesock today. Tubesock is going to flip town. I am sure of it. If not lynching him, and lynching one of my suspects, is what happens instead, I will be more than happy with that game state, even if the actual lynch is incorrect. I don't get the point of this post Vayne. Why would I care how anything looks? I would lynch a suspect and save one of my top town reads from being lynched. That's what matters. | ||
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slOosh: Why are you voting for darthfoley? Would you be comfortable voting for another person out of the darth/kush/Vayne pool? | ||
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