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On January 11 2016 06:27 GiygaS wrote: That quote shows that he is aware of his meta. He could very easily be playing around it and using it as a shield I agree this is a possibility. Noon has made a comment that "verify's" this. What is your interpretation of this?
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On January 11 2016 06:32 GiygaS wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2016 06:30 slOosh wrote:On January 11 2016 06:27 GiygaS wrote: That quote shows that he is aware of his meta. He could very easily be playing around it and using it as a shield I agree this is a possibility. Noon has made a comment that "verify's" this. What is your interpretation of this? Noon cares a ton about meta, it's NAI for me in relation to him. Um, I guess what I was getting at was,
Noon meta verifies that Tubesock is playing more to his town meta.
Do you think noon is town and wrong? Scum and buddying? Etc.
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I want to make sure we are looking at the same thing. Rayn are you referring to these posts?
On January 10 2016 15:26 Tubesock wrote: GiygaS should be latching onto the vaqueness of tone and "weird scuzzies" statements that Darth made. His case if he were town would include things like how I scum claimed, bitched and whined about something that probably wasn't going to happen, and then when I was called out for it I bailed scummily. That I have 3 posts and that each one is the epitome of doing "just enough" to stay under the radar. That maybe I was trying to play up the too scummy to be scum vibe.
On January 10 2016 15:39 Tubesock wrote: Darth because I really liked his interaction with Eden, and I can absolutely see why he would think both VA and I are scum. To me whatever he is using for his heuristic is consistent and seems logical.
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OHHHhhh
I see what you are getting at.
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I understand what you are saying but I still think it's something a town could do.
It's like if you were playing town, and (b/c of active mafia mudslinging or something) people suspect you as mafia for a certain vote sequence.
Then some dude comes along and says "you know, I think rayn is mafia, because he didn't use as many exclamation marks in his posts that he usually does".
You would somewhat understand if people bandwagon for reasons that are out there, but it's really strange for someone to be bringing in reasons that don't make sense.
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I guess I empathize with Tubesock because I could totally see myself doing the same thing.
But I don't think Tubesock did quite what you guys are saying.
He is highlighting the fact that the reason GiygaS joined the vote wagon was out of place - that GiygaS was citing easy townreads. The place where Tubesock says that he should have used other points about himself is to say that in contrast with what could have been said, GiygaS instead chose to say something really fishy.
Like a scum making up some lame excuse to join the bandwagon.
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On January 11 2016 06:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2016 06:49 slOosh wrote: I understand what you are saying but I still think it's something a town could do.
It's like if you were playing town, and (b/c of active mafia mudslinging or something) people suspect you as mafia for a certain vote sequence.
Then some dude comes along and says "you know, I think rayn is mafia, because he didn't use as many exclamation marks in his posts that he usually does".
You would somewhat understand if people bandwagon for reasons that are out there, but it's really strange for someone to be bringing in reasons that don't make sense. Except that GiygaS' reasoning is very clear. Very very clear and makes sense, especially when taken his explanation and comparing it to how he presented the argument. You can't just do this: - Well GiygaS is scum for A. - But he didn't do A, he in fact did B. - Well, GiygaS is scum for A. The whole argument in itself is a misrepresentation of GiygaS posts and motivation behind them, and Tubesock doesn't even consider that when GiygaS and me BOTH explain why this is the case.. Instead he just keeps hammering the same point, which simply cannot be true as it is basically proven false (unless he wants to argue why the explanation does not make sense -- which he isn't doing either). I don't think it was very clear at the time he said it.
Start on page 20 where GiygaS votes Tubesock. I didn't quite get it, neither did darthfoley, Eden on page 21 and Koshi on 26.
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On January 11 2016 07:01 raynpelikoneet wrote: There is simply fucking nothing wrong in asking why people townread the same people you do. The point that Tubesock is making is that while there is nothing wrong with that, it's weird to vote for someone because of it.
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I'm moving to boxerfred. I really don't think Tubesock is the lynch here.
##Vote boxerfred
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To be clear Tubesock, I don't think GiygaS is mafia either. I agree that it was strange how he presented it, but I think it was an issue of presentation, not of motive.
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Tubesock, could you give some updated reads on people who are not GiygaS? I'm not sure if trying to rehash it is the best way forward.
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rayn, just so you don't feel like you are talking to deaf ears:
I disagree with your initial noon case. The first quote he said that you thought was useless was like 1 hour into D1, giving a towntell to Koshi for being indifferent doesn't seem weird and being ok with lynching Vayne for various reasons doesn't seem that weird either.
I think it is a playstyle thing where you assume everyone should play a certain fashion and if they don't they are scum, but they could just be playing a different playstyle.
I will agree with you that he has low post count, but I think at least he is checking into thread ala. tubesock read.
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Could people (beside rayn) explain their kush reads apart from meta?
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On January 11 2016 07:55 raynpelikoneet wrote: Also i am not gonna switch my vote, just that i can tell you "i told you so". You can lynch me if bf flips scum. But he doesn't, because noone is clearly pushing another lynch except for me. I'll switch if you can help me understand this part.
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Oh deadline was now? Nice
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Don't worry rayn - I think you (and rest of town) are having a tough time b/c scum team is not an active one so it's hard to grasp onto stuff.
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Ah dammit I missed out on the thrill of read flip
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On January 11 2016 08:02 scott31337 wrote: Hi! <3
I've read most of the thread already (or more like skim) and writing some notes down, but if anyone has any questions - that'd be great. Hey scott31337,
Things we would like to see is your thoughts on the Tubesock / GiygaS interaction, and maybe some other scum reads. Probably want to process the scum flip though.
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On January 11 2016 08:07 Koshi wrote: People should totally read all my posts about how there are 5 people mafia and boxerfred fits all the scumteams. For posterity
On January 10 2016 10:02 Koshi wrote:Unless they outplay us really hard here the mafia team boils down to max(?) 5 names. ( Sloosh, Tubesock, VA, Sloosh, Kmatt) There is nothing VA is doing to incriminate these 4 others except for SloOsh. Which he adamantly claimed when I scumread but him and SloOsh, it isn't in his meta to do that indeed. But he could still be mafia with the 3 others. (2 of them obviously) SloOsh on the other hand is putting himself in such a bad situation with the 4 others. He scumreads 1 of them as 3rd (Tubesock), hard townreads boxerfred, Kmatt is joker mafia, and then him and VA are distancing. So therefore my conclusion was: Show nested quote +On January 10 2016 09:50 Koshi wrote: Tubesock, boxerfred and 1 out of Sloosh and VA. Because I am hoping the joker is town. Also I'm assuming you meant to put boxer in the list instead of my name twice :p
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They way that the lynch worked out, I wouldn't be surprised if the counter wagon of noonian was also scum. I still would like not-rayn people to help me understand not-meta reads. Because I don't / can't meta.'
Right now I have him null leaning scum for low post count. But I can't see how you can get totes mcgoats scum or totes mcgoats town without meta.
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