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One of you guys have 1 minute to switch your votes and hit mafia
Do it if you intend to save the game.
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Onegu you're 100% confirmed paperweight in any mafia game.
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On January 04 2016 07:07 The Shining wrote:
Well I fucked that. I can't even be mad at anyone but myself. Giygas, I'm pretty sure I know why but I just want to hear it from you. Why did you switch?
GB you were just saved. Start shitting townie rainbows pls? Super close lynch like this and I'm feeling like I chose wrong...bah
I promise you I'm town this game and I didn't try to deceive you
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I'm still lynching that lynch list I've wrote.
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On January 04 2016 07:11 The Shining wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2016 07:10 GlowingBear wrote:On January 04 2016 07:07 The Shining wrote:
Well I fucked that. I can't even be mad at anyone but myself. Giygas, I'm pretty sure I know why but I just want to hear it from you. Why did you switch?
GB you were just saved. Start shitting townie rainbows pls? Super close lynch like this and I'm feeling like I chose wrong...bah I promise you I'm town this game and I didn't try to deceive you You answered the Fidei TR, thanks, but why did you have me as never lynch?
No mafia asks for a replacement for being unable to play. They can use it to survive through days. People that ask for a replacement is usually town concerned of ruining other people's game.
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On January 04 2016 07:22 The Shining wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2016 07:13 GlowingBear wrote:On January 04 2016 07:11 The Shining wrote:On January 04 2016 07:10 GlowingBear wrote:On January 04 2016 07:07 The Shining wrote:
Well I fucked that. I can't even be mad at anyone but myself. Giygas, I'm pretty sure I know why but I just want to hear it from you. Why did you switch?
GB you were just saved. Start shitting townie rainbows pls? Super close lynch like this and I'm feeling like I chose wrong...bah I promise you I'm town this game and I didn't try to deceive you You answered the Fidei TR, thanks, but why did you have me as never lynch? No mafia asks for a replacement for being unable to play. They can use it to survive through days. People that ask for a replacement is usually town concerned of ruining other people's game. So you think Shape is town, too? Don't you think it's also likely scum being unable to play would also ask for a replacement to not risk being modkilled and screwing over their scumteam? That feels NAI, at best, to me. I'm not sure it warrants a read either way. And I've def seen scum replace out before. Hm.
I have never ever seen scum replacing out.
And when he host confirms in thread his girlfriend's message will be sent, it means it's not a plan from Mafia, it means the message was genuine. If it was his plan as Mafia the host wouldn't post interfere
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On January 04 2016 07:48 The Shining wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2016 07:15 Kmatt wrote:
Well. That was an interesting turn of events.
While I haven't given up my claim against GB (possibly even stronger now), Shining definitely got me thinking about the voting patterns. I had my suspicions about Shapelog but was hoping for the GB reveal to give me the info I needed.
I'm leaving for a while, and will probably spend most of the night phase working this out. And that's to say nothing of a potential NK. I didn't directly answer your question before but I didn't forget about you. Show nested quote +On January 03 2016 11:18 Kmatt wrote:
Don't know if anyone else just noticed but TheCow has been replaced by The Shining. I had my theories on Cow, but since his "character" has been replaced more or less I'd like our "new" friend to weigh in on some current events. Obviously he should read the thread when appropriate, but for when he's finished:
1) Seeing the previous days' discussion in the context current death toll, who or what do you think the biggest factor in Scott's mislynch was?
2) Similarly, why do you think the mafia went for Irish on the first night? (technically if we have both a doctor and vigilante in this game then that might not have been the case but for the sake of argument I'll assume Irish's death was the mafia's doing) Did any of his reads stand out to you or did any arguments he put out seem to be catching on with the thread?
3) Could you weigh in on my GB case? Obviously my opinion on the matter is plain to see, so I'd like to see some other people bounce ideas off of it. Do you think I over-reacted or overlooked anything in my wall of text?
Granted, anyone is invited to answer these, but since I didn't get to see much from Cow before he left, I'd like a bit more insight from his replacement. Irish flipped town and I have a pretty solid TR on NM, who are the first 2 votes on Scott. Irish also pushed this lynch pretty hard. I believe the lynch was a case of town adamantly pushing the town ML and scum having to do zero work on it. I wouldn't be surprised if there was only one scum on the Scott wagon and the rest were off-wagon. Like kush/noon. If i choose to believe GB is town, that leaves me with mderg/Fidei/Giygas as one of the scum on the Scott wagon. Kush can you explain to me how you went from voting Fidei WITH Onegu D1 to voting Onegu WITH Fidei D2? I also really hate outlier votes and have caught scum that way, because scum wouldn't want to all be on the wagon if its a mislynch, like Scotts wagon. So I'm immediately suspicious of Kmatt and Shapelog. But I found a few townie brownies in your filter and Shape is apparently being replaced or modkilled so I won't get too much into that until next day phase, assuming I live. I'll probably go read Fidei and mderg and giygas tonight. 2) I won't go too much into this, since I don't know the setup. If we have a doctor, he could've been a medic dodge. If we don't, it could've been for his strong presence in thread and being TR by many. It couldve been for his reads. It could've been the possibility of him revisiting his wrong reads. There are too many possibilities and since I don't know the setup, and neither does scum according to the OP, its really hard to figure out the motive behind that shot. 3) honestly, I skimmed it and it was a bit hard to follow. A bit too much narrative for my taste, instead of concrete reasoning for why GBs actions and posts made him scum. And I really thought I was onto something with the lack of friction RE: the GB lynch so I let that take over my actions. I can go revisit it if you'd like but I don't remember seeing anything that was distinctly "damn he's right GB is scummy" instead of "well I've seen bad town GB do bad stuff before". I will admit, though, that might just be bias from playing with a bad town GB before XD also, what exactly were you thinking about the voting patterns?
Give me a single reason of why I'm playing this game badly.
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On January 04 2016 08:58 nooniansoong wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2016 08:49 The Shining wrote:On January 04 2016 08:19 Kmatt wrote:Okay so all things considered that last 10 minutes were pure bull. On January 04 2016 07:48 The Shining wrote:On January 04 2016 07:15 Kmatt wrote:
Well. That was an interesting turn of events.
While I haven't given up my claim against GB (possibly even stronger now), Shining definitely got me thinking about the voting patterns. I had my suspicions about Shapelog but was hoping for the GB reveal to give me the info I needed.
I'm leaving for a while, and will probably spend most of the night phase working this out. And that's to say nothing of a potential NK. I didn't directly answer your question before but I didn't forget about you. On January 03 2016 11:18 Kmatt wrote:
Don't know if anyone else just noticed but TheCow has been replaced by The Shining. I had my theories on Cow, but since his "character" has been replaced more or less I'd like our "new" friend to weigh in on some current events. Obviously he should read the thread when appropriate, but for when he's finished:
1) Seeing the previous days' discussion in the context current death toll, who or what do you think the biggest factor in Scott's mislynch was?
2) Similarly, why do you think the mafia went for Irish on the first night? (technically if we have both a doctor and vigilante in this game then that might not have been the case but for the sake of argument I'll assume Irish's death was the mafia's doing) Did any of his reads stand out to you or did any arguments he put out seem to be catching on with the thread?
3) Could you weigh in on my GB case? Obviously my opinion on the matter is plain to see, so I'd like to see some other people bounce ideas off of it. Do you think I over-reacted or overlooked anything in my wall of text?
Granted, anyone is invited to answer these, but since I didn't get to see much from Cow before he left, I'd like a bit more insight from his replacement. Irish flipped town and I have a pretty solid TR on NM, who are the first 2 votes on Scott. Irish also pushed this lynch pretty hard. I believe the lynch was a case of town adamantly pushing the town ML and scum having to do zero work on it. I wouldn't be surprised if there was only one scum on the Scott wagon and the rest were off-wagon. Like kush/noon. If i choose to believe GB is town, that leaves me with mderg/Fidei/Giygas as one of the scum on the Scott wagon. Kush can you explain to me how you went from voting Fidei WITH Onegu D1 to voting Onegu WITH Fidei D2? I also really hate outlier votes and have caught scum that way, because scum wouldn't want to all be on the wagon if its a mislynch, like Scotts wagon. So I'm immediately suspicious of Kmatt and Shapelog. But I found a few townie brownies in your filter and Shape is apparently being replaced or modkilled so I won't get too much into that until next day phase, assuming I live. I'll probably go read Fidei and mderg and giygas tonight. 2) I won't go too much into this, since I don't know the setup. If we have a doctor, he could've been a medic dodge. If we don't, it could've been for his strong presence in thread and being TR by many. It couldve been for his reads. It could've been the possibility of him revisiting his wrong reads. There are too many possibilities and since I don't know the setup, and neither does scum according to the OP, its really hard to figure out the motive behind that shot. 3) honestly, I skimmed it and it was a bit hard to follow. A bit too much narrative for my taste, instead of concrete reasoning for why GBs actions and posts made him scum. And I really thought I was onto something with the lack of friction RE: the GB lynch so I let that take over my actions. I can go revisit it if you'd like but I don't remember seeing anything that was distinctly "damn he's right GB is scummy" instead of "well I've seen bad town GB do bad stuff before". I will admit, though, that might just be bias from playing with a bad town GB before XD also, what exactly were you thinking about the voting patterns? I'll admit I might have been having a bit of fun with my write-up. Still, there's one point I'd like to have explained by anyone at this point. I could tag most any of his quoted posts as being anti-town, but my biggest issue (which I'm honestly surprised that it seems to be overlooked) is right here: On December 31 2015 04:10 GlowingBear wrote:
I've wrote it before. I've played with scott before and he is capable of doing that as town. I'm not lynching him over people I'm fairly confident are scum, simple as that. (For context, he was voting on me day1) On December 31 2015 06:48 GlowingBear wrote:On December 31 2015 06:47 scott31337 wrote:
Im voting with Onegu instead Then I'm voting you Scott, sorry, but I have a stronger townread on him than you Now what in the hell was this. GB Believes me to be scum GB Asserts that Scott is town GB Declares that he would not lynch Scott over a stronger scumread (me) GB Drops his vote on a scumread(me) to intentionally vote Scott who he believed to be town, not because he believed Scott was scum, but because Scott was going to vote Onegu, who GB claimed he had a stronger townread on. Nevermind that Onegu had 0 votes to Scott's leading 4 at the time of the post. At least the other people on Scott's wagon claimed he was scum. GB doesn't even pretend to believe that. And we all know how that ended. That entire logic train leading to the vote switch was entirely anti-town. Well Shining has learned that he shouldn't lead lynch shenannies. This, plus the D1 lynch on a blue Kush lol. I'm saying this because I agree with this and feel I could've very well fucked up. I actually just mentioned this in one of my last posts. GBs vote looks rrally bad. But Scott was already in the lead for lynch so why would GB make himself look this bad by adding onto it and contradicting his own read? I do need clarification on one thing, though. I thought he was saying his townread on FID was stronger than his TR on Scott. Not his TR on Onegu > Scott. GB confirm/deny? Regardless it's not good logic for voting someone you said you wouldn't vote... I'm not saying it makes him town, but GB voting scott because he had more of a TR on fidei than scott seems like it makes sense to me.
THANK
GOD
SOMEONE CAN UNDERSTAND THIS
Faith in mankind restored
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On January 04 2016 09:21 Fecalfeast wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2016 09:19 GlowingBear wrote:On January 04 2016 08:58 nooniansoong wrote:On January 04 2016 08:49 The Shining wrote:On January 04 2016 08:19 Kmatt wrote:Okay so all things considered that last 10 minutes were pure bull. On January 04 2016 07:48 The Shining wrote:On January 04 2016 07:15 Kmatt wrote:
Well. That was an interesting turn of events.
While I haven't given up my claim against GB (possibly even stronger now), Shining definitely got me thinking about the voting patterns. I had my suspicions about Shapelog but was hoping for the GB reveal to give me the info I needed.
I'm leaving for a while, and will probably spend most of the night phase working this out. And that's to say nothing of a potential NK. I didn't directly answer your question before but I didn't forget about you. On January 03 2016 11:18 Kmatt wrote:
Don't know if anyone else just noticed but TheCow has been replaced by The Shining. I had my theories on Cow, but since his "character" has been replaced more or less I'd like our "new" friend to weigh in on some current events. Obviously he should read the thread when appropriate, but for when he's finished:
1) Seeing the previous days' discussion in the context current death toll, who or what do you think the biggest factor in Scott's mislynch was?
2) Similarly, why do you think the mafia went for Irish on the first night? (technically if we have both a doctor and vigilante in this game then that might not have been the case but for the sake of argument I'll assume Irish's death was the mafia's doing) Did any of his reads stand out to you or did any arguments he put out seem to be catching on with the thread?
3) Could you weigh in on my GB case? Obviously my opinion on the matter is plain to see, so I'd like to see some other people bounce ideas off of it. Do you think I over-reacted or overlooked anything in my wall of text?
Granted, anyone is invited to answer these, but since I didn't get to see much from Cow before he left, I'd like a bit more insight from his replacement. Irish flipped town and I have a pretty solid TR on NM, who are the first 2 votes on Scott. Irish also pushed this lynch pretty hard. I believe the lynch was a case of town adamantly pushing the town ML and scum having to do zero work on it. I wouldn't be surprised if there was only one scum on the Scott wagon and the rest were off-wagon. Like kush/noon. If i choose to believe GB is town, that leaves me with mderg/Fidei/Giygas as one of the scum on the Scott wagon. Kush can you explain to me how you went from voting Fidei WITH Onegu D1 to voting Onegu WITH Fidei D2? I also really hate outlier votes and have caught scum that way, because scum wouldn't want to all be on the wagon if its a mislynch, like Scotts wagon. So I'm immediately suspicious of Kmatt and Shapelog. But I found a few townie brownies in your filter and Shape is apparently being replaced or modkilled so I won't get too much into that until next day phase, assuming I live. I'll probably go read Fidei and mderg and giygas tonight. 2) I won't go too much into this, since I don't know the setup. If we have a doctor, he could've been a medic dodge. If we don't, it could've been for his strong presence in thread and being TR by many. It couldve been for his reads. It could've been the possibility of him revisiting his wrong reads. There are too many possibilities and since I don't know the setup, and neither does scum according to the OP, its really hard to figure out the motive behind that shot. 3) honestly, I skimmed it and it was a bit hard to follow. A bit too much narrative for my taste, instead of concrete reasoning for why GBs actions and posts made him scum. And I really thought I was onto something with the lack of friction RE: the GB lynch so I let that take over my actions. I can go revisit it if you'd like but I don't remember seeing anything that was distinctly "damn he's right GB is scummy" instead of "well I've seen bad town GB do bad stuff before". I will admit, though, that might just be bias from playing with a bad town GB before XD also, what exactly were you thinking about the voting patterns? I'll admit I might have been having a bit of fun with my write-up. Still, there's one point I'd like to have explained by anyone at this point. I could tag most any of his quoted posts as being anti-town, but my biggest issue (which I'm honestly surprised that it seems to be overlooked) is right here: On December 31 2015 04:10 GlowingBear wrote:
I've wrote it before. I've played with scott before and he is capable of doing that as town. I'm not lynching him over people I'm fairly confident are scum, simple as that. (For context, he was voting on me day1) On December 31 2015 06:48 GlowingBear wrote:On December 31 2015 06:47 scott31337 wrote:
Im voting with Onegu instead Then I'm voting you Scott, sorry, but I have a stronger townread on him than you Now what in the hell was this. GB Believes me to be scum GB Asserts that Scott is town GB Declares that he would not lynch Scott over a stronger scumread (me) GB Drops his vote on a scumread(me) to intentionally vote Scott who he believed to be town, not because he believed Scott was scum, but because Scott was going to vote Onegu, who GB claimed he had a stronger townread on. Nevermind that Onegu had 0 votes to Scott's leading 4 at the time of the post. At least the other people on Scott's wagon claimed he was scum. GB doesn't even pretend to believe that. And we all know how that ended. That entire logic train leading to the vote switch was entirely anti-town. Well Shining has learned that he shouldn't lead lynch shenannies. This, plus the D1 lynch on a blue Kush lol. I'm saying this because I agree with this and feel I could've very well fucked up. I actually just mentioned this in one of my last posts. GBs vote looks rrally bad. But Scott was already in the lead for lynch so why would GB make himself look this bad by adding onto it and contradicting his own read? I do need clarification on one thing, though. I thought he was saying his townread on FID was stronger than his TR on Scott. Not his TR on Onegu > Scott. GB confirm/deny? Regardless it's not good logic for voting someone you said you wouldn't vote... I'm not saying it makes him town, but GB voting scott because he had more of a TR on fidei than scott seems like it makes sense to me. THANK GOD SOMEONE CAN UNDERSTAND THIS Faith in mankind restored Does me being 'confirmed town' make you upset?
Why would it?
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On January 04 2016 09:20 The Shining wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2016 09:15 GlowingBear wrote:On January 04 2016 07:48 The Shining wrote:On January 04 2016 07:15 Kmatt wrote:
Well. That was an interesting turn of events.
While I haven't given up my claim against GB (possibly even stronger now), Shining definitely got me thinking about the voting patterns. I had my suspicions about Shapelog but was hoping for the GB reveal to give me the info I needed.
I'm leaving for a while, and will probably spend most of the night phase working this out. And that's to say nothing of a potential NK. I didn't directly answer your question before but I didn't forget about you. On January 03 2016 11:18 Kmatt wrote:
Don't know if anyone else just noticed but TheCow has been replaced by The Shining. I had my theories on Cow, but since his "character" has been replaced more or less I'd like our "new" friend to weigh in on some current events. Obviously he should read the thread when appropriate, but for when he's finished:
1) Seeing the previous days' discussion in the context current death toll, who or what do you think the biggest factor in Scott's mislynch was?
2) Similarly, why do you think the mafia went for Irish on the first night? (technically if we have both a doctor and vigilante in this game then that might not have been the case but for the sake of argument I'll assume Irish's death was the mafia's doing) Did any of his reads stand out to you or did any arguments he put out seem to be catching on with the thread?
3) Could you weigh in on my GB case? Obviously my opinion on the matter is plain to see, so I'd like to see some other people bounce ideas off of it. Do you think I over-reacted or overlooked anything in my wall of text?
Granted, anyone is invited to answer these, but since I didn't get to see much from Cow before he left, I'd like a bit more insight from his replacement. Irish flipped town and I have a pretty solid TR on NM, who are the first 2 votes on Scott. Irish also pushed this lynch pretty hard. I believe the lynch was a case of town adamantly pushing the town ML and scum having to do zero work on it. I wouldn't be surprised if there was only one scum on the Scott wagon and the rest were off-wagon. Like kush/noon. If i choose to believe GB is town, that leaves me with mderg/Fidei/Giygas as one of the scum on the Scott wagon. Kush can you explain to me how you went from voting Fidei WITH Onegu D1 to voting Onegu WITH Fidei D2? I also really hate outlier votes and have caught scum that way, because scum wouldn't want to all be on the wagon if its a mislynch, like Scotts wagon. So I'm immediately suspicious of Kmatt and Shapelog. But I found a few townie brownies in your filter and Shape is apparently being replaced or modkilled so I won't get too much into that until next day phase, assuming I live. I'll probably go read Fidei and mderg and giygas tonight. 2) I won't go too much into this, since I don't know the setup. If we have a doctor, he could've been a medic dodge. If we don't, it could've been for his strong presence in thread and being TR by many. It couldve been for his reads. It could've been the possibility of him revisiting his wrong reads. There are too many possibilities and since I don't know the setup, and neither does scum according to the OP, its really hard to figure out the motive behind that shot. 3) honestly, I skimmed it and it was a bit hard to follow. A bit too much narrative for my taste, instead of concrete reasoning for why GBs actions and posts made him scum. And I really thought I was onto something with the lack of friction RE: the GB lynch so I let that take over my actions. I can go revisit it if you'd like but I don't remember seeing anything that was distinctly "damn he's right GB is scummy" instead of "well I've seen bad town GB do bad stuff before". I will admit, though, that might just be bias from playing with a bad town GB before XD also, what exactly were you thinking about the voting patterns? Give me a single reason of why I'm playing this game badly. Because, like me, you were wrong on Onegu being scum but, unlike me, you are unwilling to admit you could be wrong anywhere else and want to continue lynching down your lynch list with no new thoughts or discussion. And also because you voted with your scumread. A scumread that you say was a stronger scumread than the one you had on Onegu, who we just mislynched.
Onegu lynch was a fair lynch.
Me being wrong on Onegu doesn't mean I'm wrong about the other reads.
If you can point out what is wrong in my reads, you can say this. If you can't, it's because my arguments holds water and it means I'm not playing bad at all.
We can disagree on the "host confirmed" stuff. But I don't think I might be wrong in my other reads.
I have no idea why people are scum reading fidei
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On January 04 2016 09:25 nooniansoong wrote:
GB wanna explain why he's confirmed town?
I've just did it
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On January 04 2016 09:30 Fecalfeast wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2016 09:24 GlowingBear wrote:On January 04 2016 09:21 Fecalfeast wrote:On January 04 2016 09:19 GlowingBear wrote:On January 04 2016 08:58 nooniansoong wrote:On January 04 2016 08:49 The Shining wrote:On January 04 2016 08:19 Kmatt wrote:Okay so all things considered that last 10 minutes were pure bull. On January 04 2016 07:48 The Shining wrote:On January 04 2016 07:15 Kmatt wrote:
Well. That was an interesting turn of events.
While I haven't given up my claim against GB (possibly even stronger now), Shining definitely got me thinking about the voting patterns. I had my suspicions about Shapelog but was hoping for the GB reveal to give me the info I needed.
I'm leaving for a while, and will probably spend most of the night phase working this out. And that's to say nothing of a potential NK. I didn't directly answer your question before but I didn't forget about you. On January 03 2016 11:18 Kmatt wrote:
Don't know if anyone else just noticed but TheCow has been replaced by The Shining. I had my theories on Cow, but since his "character" has been replaced more or less I'd like our "new" friend to weigh in on some current events. Obviously he should read the thread when appropriate, but for when he's finished:
1) Seeing the previous days' discussion in the context current death toll, who or what do you think the biggest factor in Scott's mislynch was?
2) Similarly, why do you think the mafia went for Irish on the first night? (technically if we have both a doctor and vigilante in this game then that might not have been the case but for the sake of argument I'll assume Irish's death was the mafia's doing) Did any of his reads stand out to you or did any arguments he put out seem to be catching on with the thread?
3) Could you weigh in on my GB case? Obviously my opinion on the matter is plain to see, so I'd like to see some other people bounce ideas off of it. Do you think I over-reacted or overlooked anything in my wall of text?
Granted, anyone is invited to answer these, but since I didn't get to see much from Cow before he left, I'd like a bit more insight from his replacement. Irish flipped town and I have a pretty solid TR on NM, who are the first 2 votes on Scott. Irish also pushed this lynch pretty hard. I believe the lynch was a case of town adamantly pushing the town ML and scum having to do zero work on it. I wouldn't be surprised if there was only one scum on the Scott wagon and the rest were off-wagon. Like kush/noon. If i choose to believe GB is town, that leaves me with mderg/Fidei/Giygas as one of the scum on the Scott wagon. Kush can you explain to me how you went from voting Fidei WITH Onegu D1 to voting Onegu WITH Fidei D2? I also really hate outlier votes and have caught scum that way, because scum wouldn't want to all be on the wagon if its a mislynch, like Scotts wagon. So I'm immediately suspicious of Kmatt and Shapelog. But I found a few townie brownies in your filter and Shape is apparently being replaced or modkilled so I won't get too much into that until next day phase, assuming I live. I'll probably go read Fidei and mderg and giygas tonight. 2) I won't go too much into this, since I don't know the setup. If we have a doctor, he could've been a medic dodge. If we don't, it could've been for his strong presence in thread and being TR by many. It couldve been for his reads. It could've been the possibility of him revisiting his wrong reads. There are too many possibilities and since I don't know the setup, and neither does scum according to the OP, its really hard to figure out the motive behind that shot. 3) honestly, I skimmed it and it was a bit hard to follow. A bit too much narrative for my taste, instead of concrete reasoning for why GBs actions and posts made him scum. And I really thought I was onto something with the lack of friction RE: the GB lynch so I let that take over my actions. I can go revisit it if you'd like but I don't remember seeing anything that was distinctly "damn he's right GB is scummy" instead of "well I've seen bad town GB do bad stuff before". I will admit, though, that might just be bias from playing with a bad town GB before XD also, what exactly were you thinking about the voting patterns? I'll admit I might have been having a bit of fun with my write-up. Still, there's one point I'd like to have explained by anyone at this point. I could tag most any of his quoted posts as being anti-town, but my biggest issue (which I'm honestly surprised that it seems to be overlooked) is right here: On December 31 2015 04:10 GlowingBear wrote:
I've wrote it before. I've played with scott before and he is capable of doing that as town. I'm not lynching him over people I'm fairly confident are scum, simple as that. (For context, he was voting on me day1) On December 31 2015 06:48 GlowingBear wrote:On December 31 2015 06:47 scott31337 wrote:
Im voting with Onegu instead Then I'm voting you Scott, sorry, but I have a stronger townread on him than you Now what in the hell was this. GB Believes me to be scum GB Asserts that Scott is town GB Declares that he would not lynch Scott over a stronger scumread (me) GB Drops his vote on a scumread(me) to intentionally vote Scott who he believed to be town, not because he believed Scott was scum, but because Scott was going to vote Onegu, who GB claimed he had a stronger townread on. Nevermind that Onegu had 0 votes to Scott's leading 4 at the time of the post. At least the other people on Scott's wagon claimed he was scum. GB doesn't even pretend to believe that. And we all know how that ended. That entire logic train leading to the vote switch was entirely anti-town. Well Shining has learned that he shouldn't lead lynch shenannies. This, plus the D1 lynch on a blue Kush lol. I'm saying this because I agree with this and feel I could've very well fucked up. I actually just mentioned this in one of my last posts. GBs vote looks rrally bad. But Scott was already in the lead for lynch so why would GB make himself look this bad by adding onto it and contradicting his own read? I do need clarification on one thing, though. I thought he was saying his townread on FID was stronger than his TR on Scott. Not his TR on Onegu > Scott. GB confirm/deny? Regardless it's not good logic for voting someone you said you wouldn't vote... I'm not saying it makes him town, but GB voting scott because he had more of a TR on fidei than scott seems like it makes sense to me. THANK GOD SOMEONE CAN UNDERSTAND THIS Faith in mankind restored Does me being 'confirmed town' make you upset? Why would it? Just a cheeky rhetorical question  You might want to cool it on the mod action speculation though
Why? Am I wrong?
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On January 04 2016 09:33 Fecalfeast wrote:
Nope, you're totally correct about my alignment but I personally don't think using mod actions to determine alignments is good.
It shouldn't matter if I got it correctly from you. Is it worrisome? Am I Mafia protecting my Mafia buddy The Shininf?
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On January 04 2016 09:34 The Shining wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2016 09:27 GlowingBear wrote:On January 04 2016 09:20 The Shining wrote:On January 04 2016 09:15 GlowingBear wrote:On January 04 2016 07:48 The Shining wrote:On January 04 2016 07:15 Kmatt wrote:
Well. That was an interesting turn of events.
While I haven't given up my claim against GB (possibly even stronger now), Shining definitely got me thinking about the voting patterns. I had my suspicions about Shapelog but was hoping for the GB reveal to give me the info I needed.
I'm leaving for a while, and will probably spend most of the night phase working this out. And that's to say nothing of a potential NK. I didn't directly answer your question before but I didn't forget about you. On January 03 2016 11:18 Kmatt wrote:
Don't know if anyone else just noticed but TheCow has been replaced by The Shining. I had my theories on Cow, but since his "character" has been replaced more or less I'd like our "new" friend to weigh in on some current events. Obviously he should read the thread when appropriate, but for when he's finished:
1) Seeing the previous days' discussion in the context current death toll, who or what do you think the biggest factor in Scott's mislynch was?
2) Similarly, why do you think the mafia went for Irish on the first night? (technically if we have both a doctor and vigilante in this game then that might not have been the case but for the sake of argument I'll assume Irish's death was the mafia's doing) Did any of his reads stand out to you or did any arguments he put out seem to be catching on with the thread?
3) Could you weigh in on my GB case? Obviously my opinion on the matter is plain to see, so I'd like to see some other people bounce ideas off of it. Do you think I over-reacted or overlooked anything in my wall of text?
Granted, anyone is invited to answer these, but since I didn't get to see much from Cow before he left, I'd like a bit more insight from his replacement. Irish flipped town and I have a pretty solid TR on NM, who are the first 2 votes on Scott. Irish also pushed this lynch pretty hard. I believe the lynch was a case of town adamantly pushing the town ML and scum having to do zero work on it. I wouldn't be surprised if there was only one scum on the Scott wagon and the rest were off-wagon. Like kush/noon. If i choose to believe GB is town, that leaves me with mderg/Fidei/Giygas as one of the scum on the Scott wagon. Kush can you explain to me how you went from voting Fidei WITH Onegu D1 to voting Onegu WITH Fidei D2? I also really hate outlier votes and have caught scum that way, because scum wouldn't want to all be on the wagon if its a mislynch, like Scotts wagon. So I'm immediately suspicious of Kmatt and Shapelog. But I found a few townie brownies in your filter and Shape is apparently being replaced or modkilled so I won't get too much into that until next day phase, assuming I live. I'll probably go read Fidei and mderg and giygas tonight. 2) I won't go too much into this, since I don't know the setup. If we have a doctor, he could've been a medic dodge. If we don't, it could've been for his strong presence in thread and being TR by many. It couldve been for his reads. It could've been the possibility of him revisiting his wrong reads. There are too many possibilities and since I don't know the setup, and neither does scum according to the OP, its really hard to figure out the motive behind that shot. 3) honestly, I skimmed it and it was a bit hard to follow. A bit too much narrative for my taste, instead of concrete reasoning for why GBs actions and posts made him scum. And I really thought I was onto something with the lack of friction RE: the GB lynch so I let that take over my actions. I can go revisit it if you'd like but I don't remember seeing anything that was distinctly "damn he's right GB is scummy" instead of "well I've seen bad town GB do bad stuff before". I will admit, though, that might just be bias from playing with a bad town GB before XD also, what exactly were you thinking about the voting patterns? Give me a single reason of why I'm playing this game badly. Because, like me, you were wrong on Onegu being scum but, unlike me, you are unwilling to admit you could be wrong anywhere else and want to continue lynching down your lynch list with no new thoughts or discussion. And also because you voted with your scumread. A scumread that you say was a stronger scumread than the one you had on Onegu, who we just mislynched. Onegu lynch was a fair lynch. Me being wrong on Onegu doesn't mean I'm wrong about the other reads. If you can point out what is wrong in my reads, you can say this. If you can't, it's because my arguments holds water and it means I'm not playing bad at all. We can disagree on the "host confirmed" stuff. But I don't think I might be wrong in my other reads. I have no idea why people are scum reading fidei So you're being stubborn about your reads, which means you did and do still think mderg is scum but you still haven't explained why you voted with your scumread onto one of your townreads. It sort of makes sense to pick a stronger townread over a weaker one. But not so much when you vote with your scumread on the weaker townread. Your scumread voting your weak townread should make your townread stronger or scumread weaker. Neither happened.
Although I consider my scumreads when I cast a vote, it doesn't mean I take it as an absolute rule. I'm pretty sure I've voted with scum reads before. And it's kinda sad that you keep pushing this reasoning when the second wagon also had one of my scum reads voting him. Which means I would have voted with a scum read of mine anyways.
I base my reads on people solely, and not associative. I may use associative reads but only as complementary arguments. Whoever says I do otherwise is spreading a hoax that isn't true.
Now here is why I voted scott: several townreads were voting him, and I kinda agreed with their reasoning. But I remibded that he was much more of a null than scum because his scummy actions were actually inside the range of his townplay. I tried to lynch Onegu. The wagon didn't get traction. Then scott voted fidei and I had fidei as way more townie than scott. I had to vote scott because I wasn't letting fidei dying over him. It is simply as that: I had a stronger townread on fidei and several towbread's were voting scott and my lynch target (Onegu) was voting fidei. I had plenty of reasons to switch to scott
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On January 04 2016 09:36 The Shining wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2016 09:34 GlowingBear wrote:On January 04 2016 09:33 Fecalfeast wrote:
Nope, you're totally correct about my alignment but I personally don't think using mod actions to determine alignments is good.
It shouldn't matter if I got it correctly from you. Is it worrisome? Am I Mafia protecting my Mafia buddy The Shininf? No I already explained that your Mafia motivation for doing so was to pocket me and get me to vote Onegu over you.
Why are you answering his instead of letting FFanswer it?
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On January 04 2016 09:42 nooniansoong wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2016 09:12 GlowingBear wrote:On January 04 2016 07:22 The Shining wrote:On January 04 2016 07:13 GlowingBear wrote:On January 04 2016 07:11 The Shining wrote:On January 04 2016 07:10 GlowingBear wrote:On January 04 2016 07:07 The Shining wrote:
Well I fucked that. I can't even be mad at anyone but myself. Giygas, I'm pretty sure I know why but I just want to hear it from you. Why did you switch?
GB you were just saved. Start shitting townie rainbows pls? Super close lynch like this and I'm feeling like I chose wrong...bah I promise you I'm town this game and I didn't try to deceive you You answered the Fidei TR, thanks, but why did you have me as never lynch? No mafia asks for a replacement for being unable to play. They can use it to survive through days. People that ask for a replacement is usually town concerned of ruining other people's game. So you think Shape is town, too? Don't you think it's also likely scum being unable to play would also ask for a replacement to not risk being modkilled and screwing over their scumteam? That feels NAI, at best, to me. I'm not sure it warrants a read either way. And I've def seen scum replace out before. Hm. I have never ever seen scum replacing out. And when he host confirms in thread his girlfriend's message will be sent, it means it's not a plan from Mafia, it means the message was genuine. If it was his plan as Mafia the host wouldn't post interfere So how the hell does this confirm he's town? It confirms it wasn't a mafia plan, not that he isn't mafia. You've never seen mafia replace out... Ok but from his girlfriend posting, it's clear that he cannot get to his computer right now. If he didn't vote he would be modkilled, and thus let down his hypothetical mafiateam.
Fair enough, maybe I shouldn't be reading him as confirmed town for that, then.
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I want every single people to tell me:
1) why is mderg town
2) why is fidei scum
3) is anyone townreading Giygas?
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On January 05 2016 00:46 NocturneMage wrote:
On (2), I want to see where Fidei is now that Onegu has flipped town.
On (1) I know Noon and I disagreed on how organic/obvious/predatory/whatever word you want to use the argument made against you. I'm going to chalk this up to the gap in experience - where such an argument might be because he's much more experienced than I am. To me making that argument wouldn't be obvious without double checking filters.
mderg is an experienced player so if Noon's arguing that his argument against mderg is a low-ball argument for someone of his calibre (???) to make against you, then that's a different story.
I don't understand the second paragraph
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On January 05 2016 07:52 Kmatt wrote:
You know I had my suspicions that Cow/Shining was blue but damn detective? We really needed that for the last days.
I was pretty skeptical about his sudden post and GiygaS' vote switch when GB was on the table but if Shining really was a blue, then the only scenario where GiygaS fits in as scum would be if they had planned to vote switch two off of GB (or one from another wagon to put it at 4-5) at the last minute and Shining did half the work for them. I'm willing to put away that crackpot theory for the time being, which leaves us with...
Shapelog/FecalFeast: Shape was dubious at best before, but a lot of my grievances with him was his sudden disappearance. Now that we know about the surgery and FF's activity so far I'll peg him as town.
GiygaS: While that voteswitch was sketchy, Shining did have a point, and he clearly wasn't trying to trick anyone. Outside of my crackpot theory I've not a lot of reason reason to suspect him. Slight town.
NocturneMage: My safest townread second only to Cow/Shining. I'll give his filter the once-over since there's been a lot out of him to be sure, but so far I have no complaints against him. Town.
Fidei: I don't like how inactive he's been, but that's been the case for three townies so far (Scott, Onegu, and TheCow were all afk early on and they've all flipped town). However, if he doesn't come in with some solid scumreads today I'm gonna have a problem here. Slight scum.
GlowingBear: I don't really buy or even get that explanation for the Scott vote and there's been a lot of anti-town posting
coming from him. Especially considering how few players are left, I can't really see a scenario where he's not scum. Unless someone can show me solid evidence that there's a better shot in someone else I'm keeping my vote right here.
Scum.
I have to run out so I can't finish my bit on mderg and kush.
Why did you think the cow was blue?
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Kmatt, Giygas, can you give your opinions on every other players in the game please?
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