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Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
December 11 2015 09:18 GMT
#2161
Any euro here ? Yesterday I had work to do, but today I'm super bored.
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
December 11 2015 12:25 GMT
#2162
Kinda here now.
Still need a few little things to do, though.
Also: kinda decided that I spent way to much time in front of my PC during the most part of the year (master thesis and then trying to recover from the stress of that) and need to get out more.
So I am going out today. Might make me miss the DL (great timing, I know) but I'll try to be on phone a bit.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
December 11 2015 12:34 GMT
#2163
On December 01 2015 09:17 The Shining wrote:
And what looks good about the rest of that post? It's a long post and the only thing I got from it is I'm scum, DYH questioning Rels is towny, but Rels is also towny off of some metaread, and everyone else is null.

On December 01 2015 10:00 The Shining wrote:
Rels is on the scumside of null for scumming both Damdred and DYH for wanting the named VT to claim(which I agree with, there's no reason not to), along with 0 townreads.

@Shining I didn't post between these two posts. Do you remember what changed ?
In particular, what is "some metaread" you're talking about ?
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
December 11 2015 12:35 GMT
#2164
OK you're talking about fidei in the first post, my bad.
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
December 11 2015 12:36 GMT
#2165
Ah, I wish the shining had posted some stuff last night.
There are a bunch of ppl that might vote me or might not vote me. Not really comfortable with that, TBH.
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
December 11 2015 14:02 GMT
#2166
Oh, lol. Did miss that DoYouHas even switched his votes. Oo

Got like 2hours before I need to go, so I'll try to look at the filters I mentioned earlier/yesterday.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
December 11 2015 14:44 GMT
#2167
On December 03 2015 03:27 Fidei86 wrote:
16/26.

The only reason not to policy lynch Onegu is that he will almost certainly be replaced for inactivity. I'm probably going to put my vote on Moosy once i finish my run through. He has been useless and I can't stand people who put keeping their own meta pure ahead of winning the f***ing game.

Around that time, I was PMd by Onegu asking me if he could replace out of my game. This is a extremely weird coincidence.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
December 11 2015 14:52 GMT
#2168
On December 03 2015 04:44 Trfel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2015 08:37 Rels wrote:
Yo.

If you're boxer you fucking shut up. There is two possible mafia setups: one with two possible town setups with one boxer each so it doesn't matter. And one when we have either boxer + vet, or cop + vig. In that last case, mafia wants to roleblock their kill target in the vet setup, or roleblock someone else on the cop + vig setup.
Boxer claiming would make them know what is the thing to do.

Tldr if you're boxer you shut up unless you're getting lynched.
Tldr 2 the two people pushing for boxer to claim are suspicious. Damdred and doyouhas
I'm going to bring this up again. Please, hear me out, but I DO NOT WANT TO START A MECHANICS DISCUSSION.

First, I will assume that the argument that Rels presents about the BoxeR claiming is 100% correct. No matter what. No questions asked. Just for the purpose of this argument.

With this assumption, and two people telling the BoxeR to claim, it's important for this argument to be made as quickly as possible so that the BoxeR can see it and not claim. The thing is, Rels presents a really well-explained argument for this. It kind of feels too good to be true. He's already stopped to analyze the setups from a mafia perspective, and see what they know, and see what town knows. He's 100% sure that mafia doesn't know which setup the game uses, despite the standard Blazinghand newbie game using a similar four-option setup where the mafia team IS told the setup.

Like, I know that Rels is good. But is he really this good? His first post of the game, 37 minutes after the day began.... It doesn't feel quite right.

<3
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
December 11 2015 14:59 GMT
#2169
On December 11 2015 23:44 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2015 03:27 Fidei86 wrote:
16/26.

The only reason not to policy lynch Onegu is that he will almost certainly be replaced for inactivity. I'm probably going to put my vote on Moosy once i finish my run through. He has been useless and I can't stand people who put keeping their own meta pure ahead of winning the f***ing game.

Around that time, I was PMd by Onegu asking me if he could replace out of my game. This is a extremely weird coincidence.


Hm. Isn't that out of game information?
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
December 11 2015 15:04 GMT
#2170
On December 11 2015 23:59 disformation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2015 23:44 Rels wrote:
On December 03 2015 03:27 Fidei86 wrote:
16/26.

The only reason not to policy lynch Onegu is that he will almost certainly be replaced for inactivity. I'm probably going to put my vote on Moosy once i finish my run through. He has been useless and I can't stand people who put keeping their own meta pure ahead of winning the f***ing game.

Around that time, I was PMd by Onegu asking me if he could replace out of my game. This is a extremely weird coincidence.


Hm. Isn't that out of game information?

Yep.
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
December 11 2015 15:13 GMT
#2171
Was looking at a few filter, but not really seeing anything new...
FF actually had a bunch of posts on Fidei86, like:
On December 05 2015 08:27 Fecalfeast wrote:
I think the fidei palmar interaction has palmar looking towny while fidei came out looking a little worse to me.

One thing I remember that I'll dig up is
Show nested quote +
On December 04 2015 22:59 Palmar wrote:
You're overthinking (possibly suspiciously?)

You said it best yourself, now we kill hts.

Show nested quote +
On December 04 2015 23:02 Fidei86 wrote:
Lets leave it there and see what everyone else has to say. Don't want to hijack the thread totally.

Which looks a little too much like he's trying to avoid palmar expanding further on his possible suspicions and/or not wanting to slip up and further those suspicions.

additionally I don't like this
Show nested quote +
On December 04 2015 22:00 Fidei86 wrote:
On December 04 2015 21:50 Palmar wrote:
Also, if you can't figure out my alignment that's on you, not me. Town hero and eternal leader Damdred figured it out.

Wow you actually do have four pages of filter. Okay. But I do disagree with you viz you "being towny" enough. It's actually not. When you get mislynched its almost always 50% on the idiots who lynched you and 50% on you for being scummy town. That's a really important thing that lots of people forget as town.

this comes after fidei said "can we lynch you for not playing the game palmar?" and palmar retorted with his filter length. It looks like fidei saw a potential lynch option down the road and made a post without even checking palmar out. Could possibly indicate that fidei's not really reading since I remember at least seeing a number a palmar posts.

I was going to comment on a possible overexplanation by fidei on why he is ok lynching hts because hts is probably aware of NM's ability to read her since they're married iirc but that's getting a little wifomy even for me


So he was pushing Fidei86 a bit. Though again: no real interactions imo...
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
December 11 2015 15:14 GMT
#2172
Like:
On December 04 2015 09:25 Fecalfeast wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 04 2015 09:24 Fidei86 wrote:
Hey, I was surprised as everyone else that you all followed me into that shitty lynch. But technically Palmar was the first mover, I was just the first one to urge everyone to switch.

Why did I scowl so hard after reading this post?

That was weird

On December 04 2015 09:29 Fecalfeast wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 04 2015 09:29 Fidei86 wrote:
Jesus H Christ Trfel how are you generating this much content this quickly.

I was just about to say...


Maybe the reason you feel like you're being ignored is because your walls of text are critting the fuck out of everyone's brains


I don't feel like these are going anywhere.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
December 11 2015 15:14 GMT
#2173
On December 12 2015 00:13 disformation wrote:
Was looking at a few filter, but not really seeing anything new...
FF actually had a bunch of posts on Fidei86, like:
Show nested quote +
On December 05 2015 08:27 Fecalfeast wrote:
I think the fidei palmar interaction has palmar looking towny while fidei came out looking a little worse to me.

One thing I remember that I'll dig up is
On December 04 2015 22:59 Palmar wrote:
You're overthinking (possibly suspiciously?)

You said it best yourself, now we kill hts.

On December 04 2015 23:02 Fidei86 wrote:
Lets leave it there and see what everyone else has to say. Don't want to hijack the thread totally.

Which looks a little too much like he's trying to avoid palmar expanding further on his possible suspicions and/or not wanting to slip up and further those suspicions.

additionally I don't like this
On December 04 2015 22:00 Fidei86 wrote:
On December 04 2015 21:50 Palmar wrote:
Also, if you can't figure out my alignment that's on you, not me. Town hero and eternal leader Damdred figured it out.

Wow you actually do have four pages of filter. Okay. But I do disagree with you viz you "being towny" enough. It's actually not. When you get mislynched its almost always 50% on the idiots who lynched you and 50% on you for being scummy town. That's a really important thing that lots of people forget as town.

this comes after fidei said "can we lynch you for not playing the game palmar?" and palmar retorted with his filter length. It looks like fidei saw a potential lynch option down the road and made a post without even checking palmar out. Could possibly indicate that fidei's not really reading since I remember at least seeing a number a palmar posts.

I was going to comment on a possible overexplanation by fidei on why he is ok lynching hts because hts is probably aware of NM's ability to read her since they're married iirc but that's getting a little wifomy even for me


So he was pushing Fidei86 a bit. Though again: no real interactions imo...

Yep that's true FF attacked fidei with arguments not said by someone else, which is super unlikely for partners.
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
December 11 2015 15:16 GMT
#2174
On December 12 2015 00:14 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 12 2015 00:13 disformation wrote:
Was looking at a few filter, but not really seeing anything new...
FF actually had a bunch of posts on Fidei86, like:
On December 05 2015 08:27 Fecalfeast wrote:
I think the fidei palmar interaction has palmar looking towny while fidei came out looking a little worse to me.

One thing I remember that I'll dig up is
On December 04 2015 22:59 Palmar wrote:
You're overthinking (possibly suspiciously?)

You said it best yourself, now we kill hts.

On December 04 2015 23:02 Fidei86 wrote:
Lets leave it there and see what everyone else has to say. Don't want to hijack the thread totally.

Which looks a little too much like he's trying to avoid palmar expanding further on his possible suspicions and/or not wanting to slip up and further those suspicions.

additionally I don't like this
On December 04 2015 22:00 Fidei86 wrote:
On December 04 2015 21:50 Palmar wrote:
Also, if you can't figure out my alignment that's on you, not me. Town hero and eternal leader Damdred figured it out.

Wow you actually do have four pages of filter. Okay. But I do disagree with you viz you "being towny" enough. It's actually not. When you get mislynched its almost always 50% on the idiots who lynched you and 50% on you for being scummy town. That's a really important thing that lots of people forget as town.

this comes after fidei said "can we lynch you for not playing the game palmar?" and palmar retorted with his filter length. It looks like fidei saw a potential lynch option down the road and made a post without even checking palmar out. Could possibly indicate that fidei's not really reading since I remember at least seeing a number a palmar posts.

I was going to comment on a possible overexplanation by fidei on why he is ok lynching hts because hts is probably aware of NM's ability to read her since they're married iirc but that's getting a little wifomy even for me


So he was pushing Fidei86 a bit. Though again: no real interactions imo...

Yep that's true FF attacked fidei with arguments not said by someone else, which is super unlikely for partners.


Yeah, good point. Overall I don't think Fidei86 is likely to flip scum.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
December 11 2015 15:28 GMT
#2175
OK DYH is the only possible scum. Please vote him so that game can end.
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
December 11 2015 15:34 GMT
#2176
On December 11 2015 17:44 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2015 12:41 LightningStrike wrote:
Anyways Rels if you are here can you tell me why you thought Tfrel was more scum than FF at EoD?

1 - the whole day I was suspicious of Trfel.
2 - at EOD he came back voting me with no explanation; left; than came back changing his mind again and voted FF. I found that suspicious.
3 - I have DYH as scum, and I found his behaviour towards Trfel at EOD maybe partner indicative; he said he was OK to lynch Trfel; didn't vote him; and went back on disfo.

Okay I will see if that actually lines up.
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
December 11 2015 15:37 GMT
#2177
On December 12 2015 00:34 LightningStrike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2015 17:44 Rels wrote:
On December 11 2015 12:41 LightningStrike wrote:
Anyways Rels if you are here can you tell me why you thought Tfrel was more scum than FF at EoD?

1 - the whole day I was suspicious of Trfel.
2 - at EOD he came back voting me with no explanation; left; than came back changing his mind again and voted FF. I found that suspicious.
3 - I have DYH as scum, and I found his behaviour towards Trfel at EOD maybe partner indicative; he said he was OK to lynch Trfel; didn't vote him; and went back on disfo.

Okay I will see if that actually lines up.

Sure, can you vote DYH afterwards ?
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
December 11 2015 15:59 GMT
#2178
On December 12 2015 00:37 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 12 2015 00:34 LightningStrike wrote:
On December 11 2015 17:44 Rels wrote:
On December 11 2015 12:41 LightningStrike wrote:
Anyways Rels if you are here can you tell me why you thought Tfrel was more scum than FF at EoD?

1 - the whole day I was suspicious of Trfel.
2 - at EOD he came back voting me with no explanation; left; than came back changing his mind again and voted FF. I found that suspicious.
3 - I have DYH as scum, and I found his behaviour towards Trfel at EOD maybe partner indicative; he said he was OK to lynch Trfel; didn't vote him; and went back on disfo.

Okay I will see if that actually lines up.

Sure, can you vote DYH afterwards ?

1. Okay...
2. He said he didn't like some stuff from you(was very vague) hence why he voted for you.
3. And that's why assiocation reads are generally not that great
Anyways I could possibly vote DYH but the wagon buildpotentally troubling. I'll weigh the options in a little bit.
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
December 11 2015 16:04 GMT
#2179
Hey guys I found this thing lying around in BH's bedroom! Apparently it's some kind of guide to win this game! Awesome right ? Let me transcript it for you: I hope he doesn't remark I took it ...

Townie guide to winning this game

Step 1: Required reading

disfo's case on DYH
FF's interactions with DYH are partner indicative
DYH's scumread of disfo has no basis: he voted him on an "initial insctinct" which doesn't exist
Part 2 of the thing above

Step 2: Vote DYH

Step 3: Lynch DYH

Step 4: Win
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
December 11 2015 16:06 GMT
#2180
On December 12 2015 00:59 LightningStrike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 12 2015 00:37 Rels wrote:
On December 12 2015 00:34 LightningStrike wrote:
On December 11 2015 17:44 Rels wrote:
On December 11 2015 12:41 LightningStrike wrote:
Anyways Rels if you are here can you tell me why you thought Tfrel was more scum than FF at EoD?

1 - the whole day I was suspicious of Trfel.
2 - at EOD he came back voting me with no explanation; left; than came back changing his mind again and voted FF. I found that suspicious.
3 - I have DYH as scum, and I found his behaviour towards Trfel at EOD maybe partner indicative; he said he was OK to lynch Trfel; didn't vote him; and went back on disfo.

Okay I will see if that actually lines up.

Sure, can you vote DYH afterwards ?

1. Okay...
2. He said he didn't like some stuff from you(was very vague) hence why he voted for you.
3. And that's why assiocation reads are generally not that great
Anyways I could possibly vote DYH but the wagon buildpotentally troubling. I'll weigh the options in a little bit.

How is it troubling ? And more generally, how could a wagon building be potentially troubling when there is only one scum alive ?
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