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sicklucker
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ObviousOne
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On December 08 2015 14:12 sicklucker wrote: why dont you wanna kill onegu oo? i might but in the spirit of voting who i wanted to vote i went with chrom i don't know anything about onegu's meta so i disregard that entirely people bringing up pushing scott vs onegu at this stage of the game seem to forget it was generally accepted at the time (d1/2) he wasn't bullshitting about his excuse and that it only came up later he might have been using it to skate the entire game onegu specifically 1) if koshi is town and onegu is mafia then why would onegu employ a terror campaign against koshi given their recent ban-list related history 2) he's seems genuinely happy with his play here and his self-proclaimed useless-town meta sounds pretty accurate from my memory of playing with him and/or reading games he was in over the past year or so 3) voting to lynch him for first couple days was regarding his uselessness in the context of this game and i am always happy to lynch them early so that it's not something necessary at lylo i don't know enough about him to recognize if this is his town do-nothing meta or not, but reviewing his filter i feel comfortable saying he hasn't assisted in any meaningful capacity up til he started posting more than once every 24 hours in pushing any mafia agenda. unless i am mistaken? | ||
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ObviousOne
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ObviousOne
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Chromatically
United States1700 Posts
On December 07 2015 15:12 Koshi wrote: I honestly don't see who would shoot TT except OO/GB. Chrom/Onegu: Could you tell me how you perceived TT this game? If you read his posts, what did you think? In general. I liked the stuff that he posted after he was called out D1, and he basically kept up a steady stream of good posts throughout the game so I didn't really have a reason to think he was mafia. Pretty clearly trying to figure out the game for multiple days in a row, and then the D1 vote analysis that both mafia voted off-wagon pretty much sealed the deal. On December 07 2015 14:57 Koshi wrote: Chromatically Can you read fefe his filter and tell me why OO is mafia? GB, and OO look pretty good from that. Yeah so I went through the filter, here's what FF did with each of them (or what I think the significant parts are): On OO: - Says he prefers OO to TT early D1. - Calls out OO's long list post from D1 in #483, but then backs off right after OO's response for no real reason in #497. I was the only one on OO at that time and TT already had 4 votes, so I think it would be a pretty safe thing to do as mafia. On November 26 2015 20:13 ANickelDrink wrote: Not that you brought up any new points but that felt like a genuine "fuck off man I'm going to bed" without getting overly defensive. ##unvote - Does some more light suspicion in #1015, saying that the same list post is "not really boss material". - Tells him to "flesh out that chrome read" (??? while supposedly thinking he's mafia? awkward interaction overall). - I actually think this is huge, and I can't believe I never saw it before. When I go after OO for his post about me, here's what he says: On November 29 2015 12:34 ANickelDrink wrote: Chrome just kinda blew OO's post out of the water. Am I wrong? When he comes back closer to lynchtime, the votes are 4-4 between OO and Sno: On November 30 2015 05:59 ANickelDrink wrote: not much reading to do ##vote sn0_man good call especially since the spirit seems to agree To give some extra context, this is pretty soon after he brought up the list post again. In comparison, basically the only read he gave on Sno all game is "After catching up I noticed he made posts but didn't seem to care at all who was getting lynched" and a post that gave him bad feelings on D1 (which was basically the same point). I think it is extremely, extremely weird that, after supposedly having multiple points against OO and very little against Sno, he pops in to hammer OO without even mentioning OO in the post at all??? Like if OO is town, I think it's more in line with FF's posts up to that point and supposed reads to hop on the OO wagon instead, because that's what he's been bringing up. scott was on the Sno wagon too. How likely is it really that that all just happens to be a coincidence? Overall, I think this actually makes OO more likely to be mafia with FF. The stuff that FF says about OO, how he makes sure to call him out occasionally without actually doing anything about it, is exactly the sort of read that mafia give on their partners. They know that they're suspicious so they call them out, but don't want to actually push it. It's possible that I'm reading too much into it and it makes sense for FF to vote Sno, but I think that it's way too much of a coincidence for FF to talk about why OO is scummy and then hammer Sno over him without even mentioning OO (especially since scott was on Sno too!). On GB: - Talks about wanting to give a strong TR to GB around #1001, but doesn't. - Says that he'll check GB out more and that he "has a couple suspicions" in #1008, but never delivers on the read. - Agrees with TT that GB "gives him a bad feeling" #1114, but doesn't push it. On November 29 2015 12:26 ANickelDrink wrote: For one, I'm getting a good townvibe off tictock now. He was most of your D1. I know, people are wrong especially you but that's one point. Your reasoning behind voting tictock over vivax were shaky, saying you wanted to see if you were right and such. Tictock points this out. You telling people to vote tictock so they can use him for associative reads sounds scummy to me as well. You literally say to koshi (copy/pasting rather than digging through the tictock post) Maybe I read this wrong? How does koshi being sure that chrome is mafia at this point an indication that he should vote tictock instead? I honestly don't want to re-hash tictock's whole post GB. I'm not saying you're my top scumread over sn0 or a lurker but the things tictock brings up have merit. - Tries to push GB for not shenannying onto scott. I agree that this would be pretty weird if they were mafia (not impossible, but still really weird). Overall, I think this looks better for GB than OO. When I list it out like this, it could sound pretty bad because there's a bit of noncommittal reads on GB there, but I think if you look at the specific interactions then it looks very different than FF and OO's. I think the post I quoted here is a good example of that. Compare that read on GB to his read on OO. In that read on GB, I think it sounds more like he's trying to justify his read and keep GB off of him ("I'm not saying you're my top scumread"), and there's some interaction there. With OO, it's a super awkward "oh I'll back off of you I guess". The townread stuff too (GB has an allcaps post where he says something like "PLEASE PLEASE WEAR THE BEAR MASK" or something). It's not conclusive because the substance isn't there and FF doesn't ever push GB, but I feel like these posts are not mafia-mafia posts. There's an okay amount of interaction there especially compared to OO's, and it doesn't "click" as well as OO and FF. Don't think FF ever mentions Onegu. Could be that FF gave up because he was sick of Onegu and scott like I said. I don't think that there would be much weird about Onegu shooting TT, it's not like it took a lot of effort to see that he wasn't getting lynched and medic dodge. Based on just interactions, I think it's OO > Onegu > GB in terms of more mafia. | ||
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Chromatically
United States1700 Posts
Could be mafia because: - Hasn't done anything the last few days (neither have the other two really though). - SL and TT both shot after talking about him, possible WIFOM though. - Really bad argument that the TT kill makes him town when it's literally the most beneficial shot for him (Koshi explained well)? Could just be dumb but it really doesn't make any sense. This could be a contradiction too (believing that it the shot was to frame him i.e. it makes him look worse but also saying it makes him look better): On December 07 2015 07:23 GlowingBear wrote: Yeah, looks like it was to frame me. I'm saging yhst it is weird that we have two shots. Maybe it wasn't a save, but just a statement that you were protected On December 08 2015 00:46 GlowingBear wrote: It's much, much easier for me to keep Tictock alive and use his tunnel against me, and kill a confirmed townie, than killing fucking TT. - Does a really weird thing with scott, where he calls scott town for coming in and making an excuse for activity, but flips on it to scott is mafia after being called out because scott "didn't post in the replacement thread". Could be mafia trying to backtrack after calling scott town. #1075 check it out - Not much "real" interaction with FF, as in no pushes on each other (pushed scott on the FF day but I don't feel like that means much since scott was going down). Could be town because: - Really cared about the D1 lynch, which we know now was 2 town. Going back and rereading his D1 filter reminded me of this. It's not impossible that he's mafia and just faked it really well, but the fact that he clearly had an opinion that he was pushing a lot (like really trying to get people to vote TT) when he had no reason to as mafia is a pretty big point in his favor. - Just generally seems to be thinking about the game and trying to solve it (true that this has died off a lot recently, but there still was a lot D1/N1/D2). - Some "soft" interactions with FF that don't feel particularly mafia-mafia to me. It looks like there's not a lot of reasons for being town, but I think several of the scum reasons I have here are these specific points whereas the town reasons are general statements about his play early on this game. Just because his play has fallen off doesn't mean that the earlier stuff he posted doesn't exist and I tend to find after games that my D1 reads on people end up being more accurate. Nothing here makes it impossible that he's mafia (went after TT most of the time he was active, could have faked that tunnel), but it's much less concrete than the others I think. The scott thing is probably the weirdest thing in his filter, alongside falling off in contribution recently (but OO and Onegu never started anywhere near the level of contribution). His D1 effort and care about the lynch feel town to me, and I could just be making a misjudgement like last game but I hope that I'm not. Ideally, we get another save so that it can be a sure thing, but I don't think that GB should be a lynch over OO and Onegu this game unless something changes or someone brings something I overlooked here. | ||
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Koshi
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##unvote ##vote: Onegu | ||
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Chromatically
United States1700 Posts
I would lynch OO today. I think his interactions with FF are not good, FF hammered Sno over him when I don't think it was justified, OO pushed Onegu a lot but didn't push scott. Other stuff I've said earlier as well. Onegu next, and then GB last if we get the chance. GB, to address what you said about me in that latest post: You say that the points I bring are "very good", but then that they could come with perfect information. Most of the stuff I've said this game has been on OO, so wouldn't I know that my points are really bad then with perfect information where OO is town? I don't know how you get from his play is so good to he's probably mafia for it. For my read on OO, I pushed it quite a bit earlier in the game, and people didn't find the points I made as convincing as I did. When it was D3 and all of the probably town + marv were piled on FF instead of OO, I DID reconsider and said that I might just be wrong if no one else gets the same thing I'm saying about OO (I said as much, that I would leave OO for last if no one agress). Add to that that FF had "played" a terrible day that day I was completely on board with that lynch, and scott after was good too because he was a complete enigma with the added bonus of being on most mafia teams (unlike Onegu who was unlikely with OO). I said the whole time that OO or Onegu on a team with them makes sense, and that's where I'm still at now. If you're town like I'm believing, I need you with me on OO. ##Vote: ObviousOne | ||
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Chromatically
United States1700 Posts
On December 08 2015 17:18 Koshi wrote: I agree with you Chrom. Already read GB response before going to work. ##unvote ##vote: Onegu Yeah, this is fine too if people would prefer it. I don't think the order matters too much now | ||
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Koshi
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##vote: Onegu The TT kill incriminates OO over Onegu. But OO has a couple good towntells (dumbtell & a couple townie posts) I am at this point a bit indecisive between OO and Onegu. Onegu his 2 biggest towntells: 1) Does nothing as town: Is pretty much WIFOM with him going to the hospital and everybody yelling he was possible town for doing nothing. He milked his meta out hard. Also, he came back at a point it was the most beneficial for him as mafia. Voted Scott to belong with the town, even tried to connect with people. The point he started playing was a perfect mafia moment and not the perfect town moment. 2) Is fucking with me pretty hard: He already did that as mafia once. He is just pure cancer. Don't think that makes him town at all. He didn't do it as town yet, yet did it once as mafia. | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38797 Posts
On December 08 2015 17:25 Chromatically wrote: Yeah, this is fine too if people would prefer it. I don't think the order matters too much now Going to read think about it a bit more... TT kill kinda points towards OO. | ||
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Koshi
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I agree it is suspicious coincidental suddenly mafia saves snow over OO... | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38797 Posts
I really have no clue. Might really point out more to OO. | ||
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ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
You have my axe | ||
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sicklucker
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Koshi
Belgium38797 Posts
Both GB and OO have townie points. Both have mafia coincidentalities: OO --> mafia fefe voted snow over him. I think this could be explained though. GB --> all night kills incriminate him. But Onegu is pure cancer without townie treats. Sadly also without mafia treats? | ||
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Koshi
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Koshi
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On December 08 2015 17:41 ObviousOne wrote: Pick me if it helps to solve the game later in the same way I wanted to lynch Onegu d1 You have my axe I think you should move your vote off Chrom. | ||
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ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
On December 08 2015 18:25 Koshi wrote: I think you should move your vote off Chrom. On December 08 2015 17:44 ObviousOne wrote: ##unvote: chromatically ##vote: glowingbear all done already i was eating ribs at the time so i typed one-handed it was pretty amaze | ||
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Koshi
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