On November 05 2015 06:45 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2015 04:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:With boring i mean this; In contrary, here is a game where Rels argues "in a same way" with someone (n00bking, the final day and a night before). There he tried to take different approaches, tried to find new information, and like... he was fucking arguing while noobking was just sayin "but you lied. [insert 1000 nonsensical words here]. There n00bking was boring, and mafia. Rels was arguing. Here Rels is boring, other people are arguing with him. You're bad =D At least I'm sure you're town now. But you're suuuuper bad bro.
Alright I've thought about this and I'm way less sure now. Why I thought this confirmed rayn as town is because in this exact game he linked (Newbie XIII), rayn had a very similar post on noobking:
On July 30 2015 04:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:
iam sorry for the lynch. not really though, TT was awful.
noobking is mafia.
mark my words.
On July 30 2015 04:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
he is obviously a smart guy.
he is not playing smart.
i cant explain it better.
Which is super similar to his posts on me this game:
On November 05 2015 03:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Basically the cases he makes look "good" but they are boring. lol, i can't explain that better.
Like here Superbia and to some extent HtS are like furious and spit flames everywhere (like BM in SotW game) when getting into argument with Rels. Rels is just.. boring, and the reasoning is boring. And he makes conclusions that don't make any sense, at all.
On November 05 2015 04:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:With boring i mean this; In contrary, here is a game where Rels argues "in a same way" with someone (n00bking, the final day and a night before). There he tried to take different approaches, tried to find new information, and like... he was fucking arguing while noobking was just sayin "but you lied. [insert 1000 nonsensical words here]. There n00bking was boring, and mafia. Rels was arguing. Here Rels is boring, other people are arguing with him.
But the things he said are not true, and he should know that.
First: Rels does not let go of things when he's town
I assume he's talking about my read on Superbia, which is admittily static: point out something scummy, then wait for what he does next.
On November 02 2015 23:16 Rels wrote:OK this tire me so let's lay out what happened. Timeline. 1. Superbia scumreads Xata for saying "playing scum is a nightmare".Show nested quote +On November 02 2015 08:20 Superbia wrote:
So it's in no way a "nightmare" for "them". Which you should know, since you have played the game before. 2. Superbia asks Xata if he really thinks it's a nightmare, Xata kinda confirms.Show nested quote +On November 02 2015 08:32 Superbia wrote:
Do you really think this game is a nightmare for scum? Show nested quote +On November 02 2015 08:35 Xatalos wrote:
Yeah, I think it should be somewhat anti-scum. In the way that IRL Resistance is pretty balanced, but here it's much easier for town to communicate properly than IRL, whereas the scumteam can't communicate at all like usual in forum Mafia. 3. Superbia uses this to make Xatalos say something he didn't: that being scum isn't nightmarishShow nested quote +On November 02 2015 08:39 Superbia wrote:
So now that we've correctly concluded that you don't believe it is a "nightmare" for scum. Why did you open with that? ConclusionThat is the problem with Superbia's early play; twisting Xatalos' words to something he didn't mean. Now he turned that read around to townread Xatalos, and rayn is claiming it's not suspicous, which might be right. But this word-twisting stuff is scum indicative.
On November 05 2015 00:36 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2015 00:27 Superbia wrote:Ugh. That answer does not satisfy me. Rels- you are here. I am currently still incredibly stuck on your alignment as being mafia, so if you're town, you're going to have to walk me through your analysis of my alignment. On November 02 2015 23:16 Rels wrote:OK this tire me so let's lay out what happened. Timeline. 1. Superbia scumreads Xata for saying "playing scum is a nightmare".On November 02 2015 08:18 Superbia wrote:
I instantly retract my townread. On November 02 2015 08:20 Superbia wrote:
So it's in no way a "nightmare" for "them". Which you should know, since you have played the game before. 2. Superbia asks Xata if he really thinks it's a nightmare, Xata kinda confirms.On November 02 2015 08:32 Superbia wrote:
Do you really think this game is a nightmare for scum? On November 02 2015 08:35 Xatalos wrote:
Yeah, I think it should be somewhat anti-scum. In the way that IRL Resistance is pretty balanced, but here it's much easier for town to communicate properly than IRL, whereas the scumteam can't communicate at all like usual in forum Mafia. 3. Superbia uses this to make Xatalos say something he didn't: that being scum isn't nightmarishOn November 02 2015 08:39 Superbia wrote:
So now that we've correctly concluded that you don't believe it is a "nightmare" for scum. Why did you open with that? ConclusionThat is the problem with Superbia's early play; twisting Xatalos' words to something he didn't mean. Now he turned that read around to townread Xatalos, and rayn is claiming it's not suspicous, which might be right. But this word-twisting stuff is scum indicative. You are so incredibly stuck on me "twisting" Xatalos' words in the beginning of the day- and that it is scum-indicative. However, you evaluate my word twisty-ness from a position in which I would have to be scum and Xat would have to be town (this is why I've been calling TMI on you), while you had no read on Xat. Moreover, that entire scum-read could've been put in the garbage as soon as I started flipping on Xatalos. This answer: + Show Spoiler +On November 03 2015 06:35 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2015 06:30 Superbia wrote:Rels have you even read my post explain the whole Xat thing? Every single point you're bringing up (as far as I'm reading - p16) seems to be your own weird interpretation on things and I am really disliking it. This post in particular is incredibly loaded with your own interpretation, and it really feels like you're driving an agenda here (i.e. to scum-push me): On November 02 2015 22:34 Rels wrote:On November 02 2015 20:52 Superbia wrote:On November 02 2015 20:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Superbia FYI Xatalos has not played forum Resistance. ...That makes me slightly more suspicious rofl. But whatever, I have concluded that you are likely town, and that Xat may be town too. Partially due to me trusting your read a little, and partially because of how he's mentally (i.e. logically) handling my push. Actually Xat was town in the vanilla mafia game too right? The one in which he died n3 or whatever (I've half-followed it)? And where they lynched scum on d3 only? If so that gives him some town-points this game so far. I find this super convenient. Superbia started by scumreading Xata for the nightmare thing, which is understandable. Then there was the "is it still nightmarish ?" "kinda" "now that you've said it's not nightmarish anymore ..." scumread which was super weird. And now that rayn thinks Xata is town for meta, suddenly Xata is town for Superbia too, and I have TMI on him. Let's break this apart into two pieces: 1. My secondary post on the whole nightmare-ish part is putting into words what I had already expected to have been inside Xatalos' head- that he did not believe it is a "nightmare" for scum. I have explained this. 2. Your TMI has nothing to do with my read on Xatalos whatsoever. The blatant fucking fact is that you are evaluating me for interactions with Xatalos without giving a read on Xatalos. What if he's mafia? Does that change anything for your read on me?Side note. You exclaim that me beginning to lean town on Xatalos is super convient. In what way? If I am scum, what am I achieving here? Keep in mind that you still have no read on Xatalos (right?). So in what way is me, calling a null for you, super convenient?Rels, kindly answer the bolded questions and the following: - Please explain, in detail, how what you perceived to be my push on Xatalos makes me mafia. - How was my explanation on the matter inadequate? What did not make sense? I think there was something else I wanted to ask but I forgot. Maybe I'll remember it later. I've already discarded the "you town read on Xatalos is convenient" stuff, it wasn't scum indicative. Your read on Xatalos is weird because it is not based on logic. Xatalos is saying it's kinda nightmarish to be scum => you say he said the inverse. It doesn't make sense from a town perspective. It makes sense from a scum perspective that decided to scumread Xatalos, and is twisting things to keep it. Does not give me anything. It's a cheap and easy way to look at things, and ignore my perfectly good explanation. In fact, you ignore a number of my questions- ones that I still want answered. Pushing town as mafia is something you do- I've seen it done in the previous game we were in. The fact that you are so adamant with such hollow argument irks me so much, especially knowing my own alignment. I have nothing to add to what I wrote above. You pushed Xatalos on something illogical, then you turned your read around. This is scum indicative and no amount of explanation will change that. Now that is not strong, so I'm waiting to see what you'll do.
rayn is saying the way I push stuff as town is much more active, finding new things and arguing, etc., taking the example on my push on noobking in Newbie XIII:
On November 05 2015 04:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:With boring i mean this; In contrary, here is a game where Rels argues "in a same way" with someone (n00bking, the final day and a night before). There he tried to take different approaches, tried to find new information, and like... he was fucking arguing while noobking was just sayin "but you lied. [insert 1000 nonsensical words here]. There n00bking was boring, and mafia. Rels was arguing. Here Rels is boring, other people are arguing with him.
He should know that is a flawed analysis though:
I had a very similar push on Barakos in the same game (newbie XIII) on day 1; I pointed out something illogical, then waited to see what he does next. The fact that rayn compares my Superbia push to my noobking push and not my Barakos push is either him having selective memory (if he's town), or him only quoting specific stuff to frame me (if he's scum).
Here are my posts on Barakos:
On July 24 2015 18:00 Rels wrote:Like some other people in the thread, I also found Barakos super weird. Especially since like some guys also playing, I played my first game with him in Newbie X, and in that game he was very logical and straightforward in his posts. Show nested quote +On July 24 2015 07:11 Barakos wrote:
Hi guys!
Will be here, lurking aroung and posting in some hours... playing hero siege with a friend atm.
Fluff, very different from his first post in Newbie X where he was already analyzing disfo's filter. And this post is so unlike him I feel: Show nested quote +On July 24 2015 09:08 Barakos wrote:On July 24 2015 08:47 disformation wrote:On July 24 2015 08:41 ruXxar wrote:
I intentionally attempt to change my meta every game.
The ebb, and flow, the flavor, the topping, the innards.
Sometime it's just a sparkle on top, taking the edge off, a tone shift, an aggressive approach, a preachy approach.
Aggregation of information molded and grinded into the essence of simple axioms I can follow to improve my play and enjoy myself.
You only get as much out of the game as you put into it.
I need to engage in my own way.
Repetition grows stale, experimentation fosters newfound interest and pathways not previously considered.
My #1 goal is to have fun.
In my seeking of that goal I need to be flexible and formless.
Able to adapt and implement ideas, mix new and old, step out of my comfort zone to discover the the trails that do not necessarily lead to victory in the short run, but over time complements my play as a whole.
Fair enough.  Might still take a look later on in the game. *shrugs* Might depend on how much of an easy/hard time I have reading you later I guess. So far only 4/13 players have posted. Bit of shame. Might go to bed soonish since I am having a bit of a headache. -.- Yeah... weather here in germany sucks... I've been feeling like shit the whole day... And then I come to reread and ruxxars style just gives me more headaches. -.- Dunno, what to make of it atm, last time someone used poetry in a game it confused the hell out of me and 2 of the 3 reads I got from it were utter bullshit, so for now, I'll not jump to any conclusions about ruxxar, based on that style, but would really appreciate it, if this changes sometime soon... Kinda strongly dislike rayn for coming in and making an alibi-post, that kinda reads like he won't be here for the rest of the dayphase... let's just hope, that's not the case and there will be more posts from him. Nocturne coming in and asking lots of questions seems kinda active. But a lot of his posts/ questions are targetet at other peoples opinion about the alignment of person x/y/z, without actually giving his own thoughts... Disformation - several posts... mostly about ruxxars other games and the difference in tone, also the only one, who openly likes ruxxars style... What I don't like, is that he defends the "bullshitting" in the start of the game. Granted, it's hard to start a conversation early on and you kind of have to do something, to get the thread going, (and you kinda have to give ruxxar credit for this - he created something, people can talk about) but encouraging him to keep this up the whole game seems kinda off to me. Noobking - totally top town for being able to count, how many people have posted, just to correct disformation! This post is not how I remember Barakos playing. It's just supposition without conclusions. And this part is super ironic: Show nested quote +On July 24 2015 09:08 Barakos wrote:
Kinda strongly dislike rayn for coming in and making an alibi-post, that kinda reads like he won't be here for the rest of the dayphase... let's just hope, that's not the case and there will be more posts from him.
Show nested quote +On July 24 2015 07:11 Barakos wrote:
Hi guys!
Will be here, lurking aroung and posting in some hours... playing hero siege with a friend atm.
LOL
On July 24 2015 21:13 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2015 19:12 Barakos wrote:On July 24 2015 18:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So Barakos claims he is scummy.
Barakos why would you make intentionally scummy posts as town? Obviously to get reactions from people? And I even got some reactions, that gave me reads about Rels and disformation as I explained in my post... I expected to get called out on it by the people that played with me in NSM X, so call it a reactiontest, that Rels passed, whereas Tictock, Breshke and disformation failed. And to answer your next question, which will be, why I only called out disformation and not tictock and breshke as well: Breshke died N2, so he didn't play the whole game with me and tictock only came in, wrote some stuff about tarot and then left without leaving the impression of having read the thread, whereas disformation played the game till endgame. Rels picking up on this, even though he was lynched N1 in NSM X just shows how attentative he is when reading people. Alright I think this discussion ends here. I think you're likely to be scum for your first two posts. You claim that it was a reaction test and you will now play like a townie; but outside of commenting my case, you didn't do anything outside of defending yourself today. So for now my read of you is mafia lean, and no additionnal explanation on past posts will change that. I'll re-evaluate you at EOD.BTW: Doesn't work that way. =p
Second: Rels makes static push when he's scum.
In Crossfire, a game rayn hosted, I was 3P and I pushed CopCake the way I pushed noobking in newbie XIII; adaptating to what she was saying and continusly pushing her.
Posts from that game:
+ Show Spoiler +On October 13 2015 21:17 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2015 13:37 CopCake wrote:On October 13 2015 08:03 Superbia wrote:
Brb. Why do you need to write this? On October 13 2015 10:21 gobbledydook wrote:On October 13 2015 08:52 Superbia wrote:
I actually can't rly play atm. Be back later tomorrow probably. Don't like Moosy's reaction to Koshi. It is the first page Courteous greeting for Koshi You think he is scum? Hello anti town people GB is town Alakasamboombam is town Dont stop make it pop tik tok is town. are you serious. I had to go back to check GB's posts at the time: + Show Spoiler +On October 13 2015 09:50 GlowingBear wrote:
O hai!
I'm thrall On October 13 2015 10:37 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2015 08:15 Koshi wrote:
Town.
Going to go with a plynch all liars through the entire game. Will totally ruin the game because town are lying bitches. But I will do it.
If nobody lies I will use spidersenses.
4 antitown. Way too much anti town kp. First days are a joke.
If there are 9 townies who need to lynch 4 anti townies while these antitownies got 4 kp and are immune to the other antitownies their kp the game is a total joke.
There are also way to many blue roles. Blue roles with completely random effects based on the skill of the player.
So tbh. If I try and lynch anti town D1 I will just get rewarded with a bullet and anti town will start shooting town faster than we can lynch anti town. Doesn't make any fucking sense.
tldr 1: Koshi is going to do absolutely nothing the first days because the game looks like a joke. He might say some random shit about random people. He will appreciate it that when these random people are actually anti town that they won't shoot Koshi.
tldr2: Read tldr 1 You make things easier. ##vote: Koshi On October 13 2015 10:44 GlowingBear wrote:
Wow what a boring start Slam's posts at the time: + Show Spoiler +On October 13 2015 09:02 Alakaslam wrote:
Good afternoon. Koshi, sson
You gotta remember you even hate on your own balance work On October 13 2015 09:06 Alakaslam wrote:I found the perfect corny cheese video for what I expect to happen here On October 13 2015 10:59 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2015 10:56 Tictock wrote:On October 13 2015 09:50 GlowingBear wrote:
O hai!
I'm thrall I assume you are referring to ![[image loading]](http://static.giantbomb.com/uploads/original/15/152870/2684749-1410539-thrall.jpg) In which case you used the correct color. But since you didn't capitalize you could also mean one of these... ![[image loading]](https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRt_PoibxOyNa_BYVAoTAvv_OOeFS5OAMrKFDzN7RFcmP1Lt5bT) Or your telling us you are a slave or surf and have no social standing what-so-ever. In which case I can't be seen talking to you. Spoken with precision On October 13 2015 11:34 Alakaslam wrote:
What a dead thread!
Guess I will go really read and reread Koshi's dramas On October 13 2015 11:54 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2015 08:15 Koshi wrote:
Town.
Going to go with a plynch all liars through the entire game. Will totally ruin the game because town are lying bitches. But I will do it.
If nobody lies I will use spidersenses.
4 antitown. Way too much anti town kp. First days are a joke.
If there are 9 townies who need to lynch 4 anti townies while these antitownies got 4 kp and are immune to the other antitownies their kp the game is a total joke.
There are also way to many blue roles. Blue roles with completely random effects based on the skill of the player.
So tbh. If I try and lynch anti town D1 I will just get rewarded with a bullet and anti town will start shooting town faster than we can lynch anti town. Doesn't make any fucking sense.
tldr 1: Koshi is going to do absolutely nothing the first days because the game looks like a joke. He might say some random shit about random people. He will appreciate it that when these random people are actually anti town that they won't shoot Koshi.
tldr2: Read tldr 1 This dude looks like a cop-out artist here Why What is the true motive for this post? TT's posts at the time: + Show Spoiler +On October 13 2015 10:56 Tictock wrote:I assume you are referring to In which case you used the correct color. But since you didn't capitalize you could also mean one of these... Or your telling us you are a slave or surf and have no social standing what-so-ever. In which case I can't be seen talking to you. On October 13 2015 11:17 Tictock wrote:So I was stupid today guys... I agreed to pickup an extra shift at work tomorrow morning  I'll poke in once or twice more before bed, but i gotta try and get to sleep soon. Will have a decent chunk of time to sink in after i get done with that though. Explain your town reads. On October 14 2015 05:39 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2015 05:36 CopCake wrote:On October 14 2015 03:50 deconduo wrote:So I've decided to put in some effort into this game as there's not a massive amount to read yet. In order from towniest to scummiest: + Show Spoiler [Rels] +On October 13 2015 21:05 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2015 20:56 Rels wrote:On October 13 2015 20:51 Rels wrote:On October 13 2015 09:50 GlowingBear wrote:
O hai!
I'm thrall This post made me go like "WTF I know something is wrong". I need to check stuff. GB almost used the same opening last game: On September 29 2015 07:09 GlowingBear wrote:
By the way:
O hai!
I'm town It was actually his second post. So this might indicate he's not-town replicating something he did as town last game. After all, if he's called out on that, he can always says "I did that to fish for reactions!" Will see if he ever: - did the same opening two times in a row as town, or - did the same opening as mafia than the last time he was town OK GB actually uses this opening quite often; and I found three games in a row where he did it, two times as town, then as mafia, so this doesn't mean anything. Sources: + Show Spoiler +Hammertime mafia as town: On January 26 2015 08:34 GlowingBear wrote:
O hai!
I'm town Mafia Mini Mafia: a miniature game of mafia as town: On March 06 2015 08:02 GlowingBear wrote:
O hai!
I'm mafia! Mafia Mini Mafia2: another miniature game of mafia as mafia: On April 07 2015 13:05 GlowingBear wrote:
Oh, hai!
I'm town I like that he went to the effort of digging this up, and retracted his earlier read based on it. On October 13 2015 21:17 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2015 13:37 CopCake wrote:On October 13 2015 08:03 Superbia wrote:
Brb. Why do you need to write this? On October 13 2015 10:21 gobbledydook wrote:On October 13 2015 08:52 Superbia wrote:
I actually can't rly play atm. Be back later tomorrow probably. Don't like Moosy's reaction to Koshi. It is the first page Courteous greeting for Koshi You think he is scum? Hello anti town people GB is town Alakasamboombam is town Dont stop make it pop tik tok is town. are you serious. I had to go back to check GB's posts at the time: + Show Spoiler +On October 13 2015 09:50 GlowingBear wrote:
O hai!
I'm thrall On October 13 2015 10:37 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2015 08:15 Koshi wrote:
Town.
Going to go with a plynch all liars through the entire game. Will totally ruin the game because town are lying bitches. But I will do it.
If nobody lies I will use spidersenses.
4 antitown. Way too much anti town kp. First days are a joke.
If there are 9 townies who need to lynch 4 anti townies while these antitownies got 4 kp and are immune to the other antitownies their kp the game is a total joke.
There are also way to many blue roles. Blue roles with completely random effects based on the skill of the player.
So tbh. If I try and lynch anti town D1 I will just get rewarded with a bullet and anti town will start shooting town faster than we can lynch anti town. Doesn't make any fucking sense.
tldr 1: Koshi is going to do absolutely nothing the first days because the game looks like a joke. He might say some random shit about random people. He will appreciate it that when these random people are actually anti town that they won't shoot Koshi.
tldr2: Read tldr 1 You make things easier. ##vote: Koshi On October 13 2015 10:44 GlowingBear wrote:
Wow what a boring start Slam's posts at the time: + Show Spoiler +On October 13 2015 09:02 Alakaslam wrote:
Good afternoon. Koshi, sson
You gotta remember you even hate on your own balance work On October 13 2015 09:06 Alakaslam wrote:I found the perfect corny cheese video for what I expect to happen here http://youtu.be/87PIkktfxjI On October 13 2015 10:59 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2015 10:56 Tictock wrote:On October 13 2015 09:50 GlowingBear wrote:
O hai!
I'm thrall I assume you are referring to In which case you used the correct color. But since you didn't capitalize you could also mean one of these... Or your telling us you are a slave or surf and have no social standing what-so-ever. In which case I can't be seen talking to you. Spoken with precision On October 13 2015 11:34 Alakaslam wrote:
What a dead thread!
Guess I will go really read and reread Koshi's dramas On October 13 2015 11:54 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2015 08:15 Koshi wrote:
Town.
Going to go with a plynch all liars through the entire game. Will totally ruin the game because town are lying bitches. But I will do it.
If nobody lies I will use spidersenses.
4 antitown. Way too much anti town kp. First days are a joke.
If there are 9 townies who need to lynch 4 anti townies while these antitownies got 4 kp and are immune to the other antitownies their kp the game is a total joke.
There are also way to many blue roles. Blue roles with completely random effects based on the skill of the player.
So tbh. If I try and lynch anti town D1 I will just get rewarded with a bullet and anti town will start shooting town faster than we can lynch anti town. Doesn't make any fucking sense.
tldr 1: Koshi is going to do absolutely nothing the first days because the game looks like a joke. He might say some random shit about random people. He will appreciate it that when these random people are actually anti town that they won't shoot Koshi.
tldr2: Read tldr 1 This dude looks like a cop-out artist here Why What is the true motive for this post? TT's posts at the time: + Show Spoiler +On October 13 2015 10:56 Tictock wrote:I assume you are referring to In which case you used the correct color. But since you didn't capitalize you could also mean one of these... Or your telling us you are a slave or surf and have no social standing what-so-ever. In which case I can't be seen talking to you. On October 13 2015 11:17 Tictock wrote:So I was stupid today guys... I agreed to pickup an extra shift at work tomorrow morning I'll poke in once or twice more before bed, but i gotta try and get to sleep soon. Will have a decent chunk of time to sink in after i get done with that though. Explain your town reads. More good work here. On October 13 2015 21:38 Rels wrote:Wow just when I'm done explaining how I don't like a TT's post, I read these: Show nested quote +On October 13 2015 19:29 Tictock wrote:On October 13 2015 19:26 Xatalos wrote:On October 13 2015 08:19 Koshi wrote:
##vote MoosyDoosy
Isn't doing shit. Just sitting here idle. Mafia or anti town but for sure afraid to die. Meh... Why are you saying this as your reason when you just said yourself that you're afraid to die? I agree this was a shit vote. Show nested quote +On October 13 2015 19:31 Tictock wrote:Kinda interesting though how Moosy responded to both points of pressure in pg1. On October 13 2015 08:22 MoosyDoosy wrote:On October 13 2015 08:20 Koshi wrote:
God dammit I can't contain my spamming. What a joke I am.
Last post.
Only quality posts from now on. I love you too. On October 13 2015 09:01 MoosyDoosy wrote:On October 13 2015 08:52 Superbia wrote:
I actually can't rly play atm. Be back later tomorrow probably. Don't like Moosy's reaction to Koshi. Ah~ Alas, 'tis a curse in TL where everyone seems to wish to lynch me. Such sadness i have never known before. Specially since he just stopped posting after that. Way to have two opinions at the same time. "Koshi's vote on Moosy was shit, but Moosy's reactions was shit". Show nested quote +On October 13 2015 19:33 Tictock wrote:
also I have weak shit town reads on
GB
Copcake
onegu Selling his opinions short. "hey I have reads but they don't matter!" I think TT is not-town. And more again. In fact I like most of Rels' filter. #1 Townie for me so far. Is active, complains about balance, pushes some early reads. Seems like town to me. Also love this: On October 14 2015 02:10 Koshi wrote:GB logic: Show nested quote +I am town and I fully comprehend the arguments brought against TT and I find them to be reasonable and believable, I could even follow them. However, I don't understand how 2 other people are voting for TT. Very suspicious by them. Because when they read the arguments that were fully reasonable and believable they should not have believed them and should not have pressured TT at all.
I think both Xatalos and Koshi are very suspicious for jumping on this TT wagon based on very reasonable and believable arguments. On October 13 2015 08:52 Superbia wrote:
I actually can't rly play atm. Be back later tomorrow probably. Don't like Moosy's reaction to Koshi. On October 13 2015 20:19 Superbia wrote:
dun dun dunnnn.
Btw: I like koshi. I think I like slam. I still dislike moosy. Moosy did this whole "let's be friends" routine bullshit which I completely disliked. And he did it with 3 separate people. (Hint: he probably doesn't have a read on any of them) I'm a fan of these posts, as they mirror my own thinking. That's enough for me to lean town for now. On October 13 2015 14:40 Sylencia wrote:
The more haikus made
The more I want to kill you
JK, good gimmick
Also CopCake, how does that 1 line make Superbia anti-town? On October 13 2015 23:49 Sylencia wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2015 23:26 Xatalos wrote:
Or overall what's your take on the recent events / main reads? Reserving judgement based on recent events because I'm still processing it (read: I'm not trying very hard). Main read is CopCake anti-town because their reasoning baffles me (aka there is no reasoning) and I can't understand a train of process that goes: Suspect A: 1 word brb Suspect B: Crap haiku Suspect A gets the vote. Same as above, mirroring my own thoughts and suspicions. Town lean. On October 13 2015 19:24 Xatalos wrote:
I truly hope the VT claims are from anti-town parties / blues since otherwise it's just, frankly, playing against your win condition. It'd be preferable if nobody claimed roles D1 or even after that without good reason.
This does drive me a little bit nuts as well. On October 13 2015 20:23 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2015 20:17 Koshi wrote:On October 13 2015 20:06 Xatalos wrote:On October 13 2015 20:00 Koshi wrote:
Seriously Xatalos. The explanation is standing in the damn vote. Moosy did completely nothing. He could be town doing completely nothing. Or he could be mafia doing completely nothing.
Town sometimes adds some silly plan in their first post, or try to do something. Mafia doesn't have do to shit so sometimes they forget they actually need to pretend to be town in the start.
Moosy didn't do shit. Hence. He could be mafia. Still didn't do shit when I poked him to do shit. Passive as fuck. Defensive. ezgame.
I am reading this forum on TL Dota so I have no filters. But I am probably 100% right. I got the opposite picture? He didn't really do anything, but he seemed pretty relaxed despite your attack (not defensive / worried). And I think Mafia very rarely just "forget they need to pretend to look town". Rather, it's much more likely that Mafia do something at least resembling an okayish starter while townies often just explode. Everything you wrote here has nothing to do with the current situation. You even fucking contradict your read on Moosy and your expectation what a townie would do. Sure. Some mafia make an OK starting post. Those are the mafia that understand that to look townie you need to start doing some minor shit. The shit mafia or trash 3p don't do that. Moosy didn't do that HENCE he is mafia. QED Looking "Not worried" and "not defensive" is not alignment indicative at all. I gave him a reason to do something. Instead he continued to do nothing. Like literally nothing. Could Moosy be town that decided to do literally nothing? Sure. He could be. Do I care? No. Was he my best bet on mafia? Yes. Is he still my best bet of mafia? Maybe, depends if this Xatalos guy decides to play dumb. I don't think that "doing something" or "playing according to someone else's wishes" is what makes someone townie, especially in the first page of the game or so. What could he have been "doing" exactly? The game had just started. What really matters is the consistency and motivation of someone's posts. Let's see... As scum, he would have plenty of motivation to appease someone that just started accusing him, or misdirect the attention away, or something. He would likely show some sort of inconsistency when the situation suddenly changes. Instead, he continued doing whatever meaningless he was doing. He wasn't panicked about the situation, and his attitude was consistent. That's why I got the gut feeling he was town. I disagree with this, but I understand the thought process and feels towny to me. On October 13 2015 20:12 Xatalos wrote:Oh yeah... This was mostly because I disliked his style of just cautiously/briefly popping into the thread to make some semi-useless comment, then disappear. That and the fact that others who had posted so far had at least something town-leaning going for them. Again, I disagree with the read, but I like the fact that he's made it and is pushing something. Overall a bit of filler about the voteapp and other things, but is still making some interesting posts. Slight townlean. On October 13 2015 18:21 Onegu wrote:
With 3 blues and 4 mafia/3p I roll fucking VT.
Fuck this.
Onegu out.
Taking some pain meds and relaxing.
Back later to figure this game out. Another VT claim. Not much here, Null. Couldn't make much sense of his filter tbh. Null
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The haikus are fine, but very little substance tbh. I like the first one a bit, but that's all: On October 13 2015 10:21 gobbledydook wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2015 08:52 Superbia wrote:
I actually can't rly play atm. Be back later tomorrow probably. Don't like Moosy's reaction to Koshi. It is the first page Courteous greeting for Koshi You think he is scum? I'd want a bit more before making a proper read, but leaning towards the scum side of null atm. On October 14 2015 01:58 GlowingBear wrote:
By the way, no.
Just thought about something.
Koshi is back to null.
Don't ask me what it is. I don't see the point of posts like these. Either explain or don't say anything until you can explain. On October 14 2015 02:15 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2015 02:13 Koshi wrote:No seriously. He can get behind the wagon on TT except for the fact that there are already 2 people on the wagon, who actually most likely believed the same thing GB believed but didn't have the hesitance of somebody already being on the wagon. Then GB proceeds to call these 2 people suspicious. ![[image loading]](http://media.giphy.com/media/5aLrlDiJPMPFS/giphy.gif) I thought I saw 3 votes on him? I don't know who are voting him, I just thought his wagon being formed fast is suspicious. I've already said who I dislike at least until page 7. The others I've just skimmed. It was a bit of a weird reaction to a two man wagon. I dunno, overall still null. Didn't really like how he just ignored and sidestepped Koshi's fos/vote. Hasn't really done anything really yet, despite being active and posting. On October 13 2015 23:42 MoosyDoosy wrote:
I kind of like how I'm doing nothing and yet I'm still alive. Quality post  . Leaning scum. I agree with a lot of Rels' case, but I want to add this as well: On October 14 2015 01:22 Tictock wrote:
When do I ever actually tryhard D1? On October 14 2015 01:30 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2015 23:42 MoosyDoosy wrote:
I kind of like how I'm doing nothing and yet I'm still alive. What did you expect mid day? I hope this doesn't mean you plan to skate by. As a counterpoint though, he has been reasonably active (without much filler). So that's a small town point at least. On October 13 2015 13:37 CopCake wrote:Why do you need to write this? Show nested quote +On October 13 2015 10:21 gobbledydook wrote:On October 13 2015 08:52 Superbia wrote:
I actually can't rly play atm. Be back later tomorrow probably. Don't like Moosy's reaction to Koshi. It is the first page Courteous greeting for Koshi You think he is scum? Hello anti town people GB is town Alakasamboombam is town Dont stop make it pop tik tok is town. On October 13 2015 13:40 CopCake wrote:
Also Moosy naming me, idk how to take it.
##Superbia As Rels pointed out, it's a pretty big leap to make those town reads so early. AND claiming VT and voting based on a brb? Meh, to the bottom of the scumpile you go. Gonna vote for copcake based on the above. ##Vote: copcake EXCUSE ME I AM A SOULREADER I look for motivations of why people post what, and sup looked forced, there's no reason for him to say "brb" and lol if that's ENOUGH for you to vote me then you are mafia Then how did you remark I suspected GB, then failed to remark I removed suspecion two posts later ? On October 14 2015 18:09 Rels wrote:The Copcake is not town compilation case 1. Her initial townreads have no basisHer initial townreads were: Show nested quote +On October 13 2015 13:37 CopCake wrote:
GB is town
Alakasamboombam is town
Dont stop make it pop tik tok is town. The filters of these 3 people at the time were: GB's posts at the time: + Show Spoiler +On October 13 2015 09:50 GlowingBear wrote:
O hai!
I'm thrall On October 13 2015 10:37 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2015 08:15 Koshi wrote:
Town.
Going to go with a plynch all liars through the entire game. Will totally ruin the game because town are lying bitches. But I will do it.
If nobody lies I will use spidersenses.
4 antitown. Way too much anti town kp. First days are a joke.
If there are 9 townies who need to lynch 4 anti townies while these antitownies got 4 kp and are immune to the other antitownies their kp the game is a total joke.
There are also way to many blue roles. Blue roles with completely random effects based on the skill of the player.
So tbh. If I try and lynch anti town D1 I will just get rewarded with a bullet and anti town will start shooting town faster than we can lynch anti town. Doesn't make any fucking sense.
tldr 1: Koshi is going to do absolutely nothing the first days because the game looks like a joke. He might say some random shit about random people. He will appreciate it that when these random people are actually anti town that they won't shoot Koshi.
tldr2: Read tldr 1 You make things easier. ##vote: Koshi On October 13 2015 10:44 GlowingBear wrote:
Wow what a boring start Slam's posts at the time: + Show Spoiler +On October 13 2015 09:02 Alakaslam wrote:
Good afternoon. Koshi, sson
You gotta remember you even hate on your own balance work On October 13 2015 09:06 Alakaslam wrote:I found the perfect corny cheese video for what I expect to happen here http://youtu.be/87PIkktfxjI On October 13 2015 10:59 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2015 10:56 Tictock wrote:On October 13 2015 09:50 GlowingBear wrote:
O hai!
I'm thrall I assume you are referring to In which case you used the correct color. But since you didn't capitalize you could also mean one of these... Or your telling us you are a slave or surf and have no social standing what-so-ever. In which case I can't be seen talking to you. Spoken with precision On October 13 2015 11:34 Alakaslam wrote:
What a dead thread!
Guess I will go really read and reread Koshi's dramas On October 13 2015 11:54 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2015 08:15 Koshi wrote:
Town.
Going to go with a plynch all liars through the entire game. Will totally ruin the game because town are lying bitches. But I will do it.
If nobody lies I will use spidersenses.
4 antitown. Way too much anti town kp. First days are a joke.
If there are 9 townies who need to lynch 4 anti townies while these antitownies got 4 kp and are immune to the other antitownies their kp the game is a total joke.
There are also way to many blue roles. Blue roles with completely random effects based on the skill of the player.
So tbh. If I try and lynch anti town D1 I will just get rewarded with a bullet and anti town will start shooting town faster than we can lynch anti town. Doesn't make any fucking sense.
tldr 1: Koshi is going to do absolutely nothing the first days because the game looks like a joke. He might say some random shit about random people. He will appreciate it that when these random people are actually anti town that they won't shoot Koshi.
tldr2: Read tldr 1 This dude looks like a cop-out artist here Why What is the true motive for this post? TT's posts at the time: + Show Spoiler +On October 13 2015 10:56 Tictock wrote:I assume you are referring to In which case you used the correct color. But since you didn't capitalize you could also mean one of these... Or your telling us you are a slave or surf and have no social standing what-so-ever. In which case I can't be seen talking to you. On October 13 2015 11:17 Tictock wrote:So I was stupid today guys... I agreed to pickup an extra shift at work tomorrow morning I'll poke in once or twice more before bed, but i gotta try and get to sleep soon. Will have a decent chunk of time to sink in after i get done with that though. I and others have asked her to explain these weird reads and her explanation is: Show nested quote +On October 14 2015 06:10 CopCake wrote:On October 14 2015 06:07 deconduo wrote:On October 14 2015 05:36 CopCake wrote:EXCUSE ME I AM A SOULREADER I look for motivations of why people post what, and sup looked forced, there's no reason for him to say "brb" and lol if that's ENOUGH for you to vote me then you are mafia What was forced about it? What is scummy about gobbledydook? Why are GB, Slam, and TikTok town? I said GB is looking mafia with rels, he looked town before. TIKTOK is so carefree so is slam, their intro tone is good. So "tone reads" AKA no explanation. 2. Her read on GB and I are inconsistentCopcake says GB and I are mafia together: Show nested quote +On October 14 2015 03:45 CopCake wrote:
Rels and GB being like I suspect GB but I still answer glowing bear questions.
NO FUCKING WAY, you two are also mafia, take back my GB townread.
Show nested quote +On October 14 2015 06:10 CopCake wrote:On October 14 2015 06:07 deconduo wrote:On October 14 2015 05:36 CopCake wrote:EXCUSE ME I AM A SOULREADER I look for motivations of why people post what, and sup looked forced, there's no reason for him to say "brb" and lol if that's ENOUGH for you to vote me then you are mafia What was forced about it? What is scummy about gobbledydook? Why are GB, Slam, and TikTok town? I said GB is looking mafia with rels, he looked town before. TIKTOK is so carefree so is slam, their intro tone is good. Please look very carefully for her reason to scumread GB. Rels suspects GB => but Rels answers GB's questions => Rels and GB are mafia togetherNow. When asked about her reasons for scumreading GB, she said: Show nested quote +On October 14 2015 10:48 CopCake wrote:I already did, your interaction with rels is weird and "a waste of time" lol, really come and fight me, you are asking questions and in addition like you know HOW I AM AS MAFIA yet you MAFIA READ ME because I have TOWN READS. DUDE DO YOU EVEN REMEMBER THAT I DIDNT HAVE TOWN READS LAST GAME and I was like pretending I was pissed (actually I was for mossy) but yeah oh no, you are not even considering my filters too sad, no? So GB's "interactions with Rels" is what makes GB scummy. Makes sense with the above. A little weird she's not voting me instead of GB, but whatever. Then she says: Show nested quote +On October 14 2015 10:52 CopCake wrote:On October 14 2015 10:51 GlowingBear wrote:On October 14 2015 03:45 CopCake wrote:
Rels and GB being like I suspect GB but I still answer glowing bear questions.
NO FUCKING WAY, you two are also mafia, take back my GB townread.
You're calling me mafia off of an unflipped association. More than that, instead of going after the root of your association, you're going against the consequential read. I can't take this seriously what unflipped association? I don't get it pls elaborate. WTF. She just said GB was scummy because of his "interactions with Rels". But wait. There is more: Show nested quote +On October 14 2015 10:58 CopCake wrote:
you think rels is town tho.
that makes you mafia. She thinks I'm town now ???? There is no explanation for that switch. Her original basis for scumreading GB was that both GB and I were scum together. And now she's saying GB is scummy for his interactions with me, which is still her original reason; but she also thinks I'm town. It doesn't make any kind of sense. There is NO reason for her to scumread GB. 3. She doesn't post much and doesn't answer questionsThis point doesn't mean shit by itself, by in combinaison to the above, it indicated Copcake is not-town. Conclusion1. Townreads with no basis to start the game. 2. No reason for her main scumread. 3. Not very active. Lynch her. On October 15 2015 03:44 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2015 03:42 CopCake wrote:
Hey rels, where I said YOU ARE TOWN? huh huh huh? Hey copcake, did you catch that post where I saw you never said that ?? On October 15 2015 03:51 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2015 03:49 CopCake wrote:On October 15 2015 03:25 Rels wrote:
No shit. Once again you're not reading.
You said I was suspecting GB but I was answering his questions, when I rescinded my suspicions two posts after raising them
You said I said you townread me, when I also already realized that mistake
YOU should be reading my fucking posts HEH HEH HEH HEH what you said like a few minutes ago? that I townread you? you are making shit up. ... Are you saying the following: Rels said Copcake is townreading Rels Based on this sentence: You said I said you townread me On October 15 2015 03:54 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2015 03:53 CopCake wrote:
I have never townread you, like never ever, ever. Yes and I realized that a while ago. In fact I quoted the post where I did So Why are you scumreading me ? Why are you scumreading GB ? On October 15 2015 03:55 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2015 03:54 CopCake wrote:
And you a few moments ago said i was townreading you which is a huge lie. I didn't say that. I said you said I said that. Read the fucking sentence please On October 15 2015 03:59 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2015 03:57 Koshi wrote:
I take no responsibility in this CC lynch. Are you kidding me ? She's not reading She doesn't have reason for GB and I to be scum, let alone partners She think I was suspecting GB but answering question which is false She didn't remark I saw she didn't townread me, but she remarked I said she townread me before Nothing makes any sense On October 15 2015 04:35 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2015 04:26 CopCake wrote:
yet you AFIRM that I said that you were town.
The part here is the fucking problem. Read again: Show nested quote +On October 15 2015 03:25 Rels wrote:
You said I said you townread me, when I also already realized that mistake I didn't "afirm that you said that I was town". I said you saw that post where I thought you read me as town, IE this one: Show nested quote +On October 14 2015 18:09 Rels wrote:
[...]
She thinks I'm town now ???? There is no explanation for that switch.
[...]
But you didn't see the post where I realized you didn't read me as town, IE my case post: Show nested quote +On October 14 2015 18:09 Rels wrote:
[...]
Fuck I misread this! I thought Copcake said "I think Rels is town though", and that was a ridiculous switch.
OK so she's actually saying "GB is scum because he thinks Rels is scum". That's still super bad:
- why is she not voting me
- why did she doubt it was a unflipped association
- it wasn't her original case; her original idea was "Rels suspects GB => Rels answers GB's questions => they're scum together", which is false since when I answered GB's questions, I wasn't suspecting him anymore
- it doesn't explain why I am mafia, which is the center of her accusation So you're not reading properly the thread. You're not reading properly my posts. On October 15 2015 04:36 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2015 04:32 CopCake wrote:On October 13 2015 20:56 Rels wrote:On October 13 2015 20:51 Rels wrote:On October 13 2015 09:50 GlowingBear wrote:
O hai!
I'm thrall This post made me go like "WTF I know something is wrong". I need to check stuff. GB almost used the same opening last game: On September 29 2015 07:09 GlowingBear wrote:
By the way:
O hai!
I'm town It was actually his second post. So this might indicate he's not-town replicating something he did as town last game. After all, if he's called out on that, he can always says "I did that to fish for reactions!" Will see if he ever: - did the same opening two times in a row as town, or - did the same opening as mafia than the last time he was town Ok, here he suspected GB. I have already said why I did suspect GB btw, and is because we were mafia together last game and guess what? he should know my meta, and GB's one of his first posts was "what do you think of cake, Xata?" like HE KNOWS ME AND XATA HAVE PLAYED MAFIA BEFORE where the fuck does he has that info? HUH HUH HUH HUH? And you suspected GB yet you answered his questions, honestly when someone I think is mafia i tell them to shut up ans answer "me" You saw this post but you didn't see the very next one ??????? Not even the next one in my filter. The next one in the fucking thread. Impossible. Die On October 15 2015 05:09 Rels wrote:At the beginning of the game I put suspicion on GB: Show nested quote +On October 13 2015 20:56 Rels wrote:On October 13 2015 20:51 Rels wrote:On October 13 2015 09:50 GlowingBear wrote:
O hai!
I'm thrall This post made me go like "WTF I know something is wrong". I need to check stuff. GB almost used the same opening last game: On September 29 2015 07:09 GlowingBear wrote:
By the way:
O hai!
I'm town It was actually his second post. So this might indicate he's not-town replicating something he did as town last game. After all, if he's called out on that, he can always says "I did that to fish for reactions!" Will see if he ever: - did the same opening two times in a row as town, or - did the same opening as mafia than the last time he was town The very next post I removed them: Show nested quote +On October 13 2015 21:05 Rels wrote:On October 13 2015 20:56 Rels wrote:On October 13 2015 20:51 Rels wrote:On October 13 2015 09:50 GlowingBear wrote:
O hai!
I'm thrall This post made me go like "WTF I know something is wrong". I need to check stuff. GB almost used the same opening last game: On September 29 2015 07:09 GlowingBear wrote:
By the way:
O hai!
I'm town It was actually his second post. So this might indicate he's not-town replicating something he did as town last game. After all, if he's called out on that, he can always says "I did that to fish for reactions!" Will see if he ever: - did the same opening two times in a row as town, or - did the same opening as mafia than the last time he was town OK GB actually uses this opening quite often; and I found three games in a row where he did it, two times as town, then as mafia, so this doesn't mean anything. Sources: + Show Spoiler +Hammertime mafia as town: On January 26 2015 08:34 GlowingBear wrote:
O hai!
I'm town Mafia Mini Mafia: a miniature game of mafia as town: On March 06 2015 08:02 GlowingBear wrote:
O hai!
I'm mafia! Mafia Mini Mafia2: another miniature game of mafia as mafia: On April 07 2015 13:05 GlowingBear wrote:
Oh, hai!
I'm town Now CopCake's reasons for scumreading is that I answered GB's questions when I suspected him. As seen above, that is false. She said it in one of her first posts: Show nested quote +On October 14 2015 03:45 CopCake wrote:
Rels and GB being like I suspect GB but I still answer glowing bear questions.
NO FUCKING WAY, you two are also mafia, take back my GB townread.
And also super recently: Show nested quote +On October 15 2015 04:32 CopCake wrote:On October 13 2015 20:56 Rels wrote:On October 13 2015 20:51 Rels wrote:On October 13 2015 09:50 GlowingBear wrote:
O hai!
I'm thrall This post made me go like "WTF I know something is wrong". I need to check stuff. GB almost used the same opening last game: On September 29 2015 07:09 GlowingBear wrote:
By the way:
O hai!
I'm town It was actually his second post. So this might indicate he's not-town replicating something he did as town last game. After all, if he's called out on that, he can always says "I did that to fish for reactions!" Will see if he ever: - did the same opening two times in a row as town, or - did the same opening as mafia than the last time he was town Ok, here he suspected GB. I have already said why I did suspect GB btw, and is because we were mafia together last game and guess what? he should know my meta, and GB's one of his first posts was "what do you think of cake, Xata?" like HE KNOWS ME AND XATA HAVE PLAYED MAFIA BEFORE where the fuck does he has that info? HUH HUH HUH HUH? And you suspected GB yet you answered his questions, honestly when someone I think is mafia i tell them to shut up ans answer "me" So: 1. Her reason to scumread me (he answered the questions of someone he is suspicious of) is not alignement indicative and is false.
2. CopCake saw that post where I put suspicions on GB, but missed the next post in the thread where I removed it. She's not reading the thread properly, which is not-town indicative. Another example: she saw the post where I thought she was townreading me, but didn't see the post when I realized I was wrong.
3. I said multiple times that I didn't suspect GB for more than one post. Multiple people have also asked her about her reasons to scumread me. She is not willing to re evaluate; she decided "Rels is scum", and doesn't change her mind when people tell her she's missing something On October 15 2015 05:10 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2015 04:32 CopCake wrote:I have already said why I did suspect GB btw, and is because we were mafia together last game and guess what? he should know my meta, and GB's one of his first posts was "what do you think of cake, Xata?" like HE KNOWS ME AND XATA HAVE PLAYED MAFIA BEFORE where the fuck does he has that info? I don't understand that GB scumread too. Is she implying GB and XATA are partners ? But I thought GB and I were partners ? Cause that what I understood by "HE KNOWS ME AND XATA HAVE PLAYED MAFIA BEFORE where the fuck does he has that info?" On October 15 2015 05:55 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2015 05:51 Tictock wrote:On October 15 2015 05:45 Rels wrote:On October 15 2015 05:43 Tictock wrote:On October 15 2015 04:32 CopCake wrote:On October 13 2015 20:56 Rels wrote:On October 13 2015 20:51 Rels wrote:On October 13 2015 09:50 GlowingBear wrote:
O hai!
I'm thrall This post made me go like "WTF I know something is wrong". I need to check stuff. GB almost used the same opening last game: On September 29 2015 07:09 GlowingBear wrote:
By the way:
O hai!
I'm town It was actually his second post. So this might indicate he's not-town replicating something he did as town last game. After all, if he's called out on that, he can always says "I did that to fish for reactions!" Will see if he ever: - did the same opening two times in a row as town, or - did the same opening as mafia than the last time he was town Ok, here he suspected GB. I have already said why I did suspect GB btw, and is because we were mafia together last game and guess what? he should know my meta, and GB's one of his first posts was "what do you think of cake, Xata?" like HE KNOWS ME AND XATA HAVE PLAYED MAFIA BEFORE where the fuck does he has that info? HUH HUH HUH HUH? And you suspected GB yet you answered his questions, honestly when someone I think is mafia i tell them to shut up ans answer "me" This is super weak Cake. Your assuming he asked because he knows something about your past. What if he just wanted to see what Xata's opinion was? The only way this makes GB scum is if he's scum with Xatalos right ? Or do I miss something. Cause that seems super dumb to me, in addition to not making sense with her "GB + Rels" theory Yea this is true... I'll ponder this in my last hour of work. Cake if you are town you really need to explain what made you think GB and Rels were a team. OK that what I though. Copcake is the best lynch today. This doesn't make sense, in addition to everything I've said before. Gobble needs to die, but that might be a job for the CPR doc. Onegu also needs to die if he doesn't do the effort he promised.
rayn not considering I'm capable on doing that as scum (3P in the case of Crossfire) is either him considering Crossfire's setup or 3P is too different to be compared to standard scum gameplay (if he's town), or him knowingly forgetting how I acted in a game he hosted on purpose (if he's scum).
This alone does not make rayn scum, as he's always super convinced of his reads; he could be super tunneled on me. But this biased meta analysis on me + the fact that he consider both HTS and I scum when he said scums wouldn't necessarily bus in this setup + him saying kita knows my scum meta then refusing to provide a source + him dodging like 15 questions from me + the fact that he is leading the thread and doing what he wants makes me super suspicious.
rayn, if you want to discuss, you need to:
1 - answer all the questions I've asked you in my filter
2 - if you still scumread me, explain it without relying on biaised meta
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On November 06 2015 00:48 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2015 00:44 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Why is rayn and Xata always posting together most of the time? Why is rayn and xata communicating outside of the game? Why is rayn and xata sounding like the most towns people to everyone? Give me reasons.
Btw rayn I don't see the problem, only you do and also, I only have like four people town read. L2R. We're not communicating outside of the game? How could we?
On November 04 2015 01:52 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2015 01:41 Rels wrote:On November 04 2015 01:37 Xatalos wrote:On November 04 2015 01:28 Rels wrote:A part of HTS' play that makes no sense coming from townHTS was willing to nominate a team without herself yesterday. She didn't do it in the end, but she mentionned it multiple times. Furthermore, she recently said to Xatalos (the next leader in line) that she was OK not being part of his team if he found someone else. This makes no sense from a town perspective for three reasons: 1.You're only 100% sure of your alignment in this game. To form a 3-men team you're confident in, having one 100% confirmed townie in it is extremely rassuring. Proof: kita's maths about whether town leaders should include themselves in their team or not. At random, you go from 36% success rate to 18%. Now you won't pick your team at random; but it makes no sense to consider removing yourself from your team, or suggesting to not be part of a team, since the chances of the team succeeding goes up by a lot. 2.If you're scum, the team will fail. So it makes sense to consider removing yourself from your own team if you're scum, 'cause that seems logical to you, even if you pretend being town in thread. 3.Lastly, it means HTS is more concerned about having a team being accepted than having a team succeeding. She wants to be read as town, and for that she's OK submitting a team that is agreed upon by the thread sentiment, even if that means she is not part of the team herself. For an example of this, I bolded a particular sentence in the third quote below. I actually thought rayn was baiting HTS to do it yesterday in this post: On November 02 2015 21:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I think you should try to find two townreads besides Superbia if you think that's possible when you have read everything closely. But that wasn't the case. Sources: On November 03 2015 00:46 Half the Sky wrote:
I'm looking at a three-hour delay for my flight home. Fuck this weather.
That is going to put me close to deadline, so I am going to keep my primary submission to what it is now, and then have an alternate submission up ASAP so you people can discuss it before and then I will state what I'm going to do before I get on the plane. If I had to pull myself off the team, it'd be right now - Xata/rayn/Superbia.
I'm feeling better about Xata but not as good as with Super/rayn and I don't believe sicklucker and Artanis will bleed town for me in time for deadline or even before I leave Berlin, if I even do.
Also I don't feel Rels' TMI argument on superbia is valid, but will double check the rest of his followup. On November 03 2015 01:50 Half the Sky wrote:On November 03 2015 01:43 Rels wrote:
Alright leaving work.
HTS, I won't vote a team you or Superbia are part of atm. Obviously that could change between now or deadline. I'm OK with Xata / kita / rayn / me. Going to be blunt, that's not happening, Kita is definitely not happening right now, if I swap Superbia out, it's probably going to be for Xata, and right now I'm not sure of anyone else to swap me out unless I went Superbia/Xata/rayn. *yawn* Thankfully this doesn't need to be unanimous. What is concerning is the lack of reads from a lot of people (inactives aside) because other than Rels saying he won't vote for certain teams, not knowing what teams are going to pass makes this doubly difficult. I know where rayn, Rels and Xata stand, kita to a lesser extent, the rest....shit. I'm hoping as the day wears on, we'll see more activity from the NA-based players (or at least I can resolve Kita). If I'm home on time, I should have at least 30m to see if I last minute swap someone. On November 03 2015 07:02 Half the Sky wrote:On November 03 2015 06:56 kitaman27 wrote:On November 03 2015 06:49 Half the Sky wrote:
##nominate: kitaman27, raynpelikoneet, Half the Sky
Still on my way home everyone. So you view yourself, me, rayn, super, and xatalos as trustworthy? Not a lot of wiggle room there with the nulls. Kinda similar to what had me concerned with xata earlier. Or did something that xata or super post move them over to your spy list? I don't mind this nomination as much as the other two....but I'd be much more satisfied with it coming back up for vote later on in the first cycle so I'd have a better grasp on you and rayn. Still not thrilled about accepting a team 24 hours into the game. Right now, I'm most certain on you, rayn, superbia. Less so on Xatalos compared to you three but I don't think he's a spy. The three of you - reads are partially based on meta but still conducive to how you have still played this game so far. For tactical reasons I could swap myself out but seeing as there is only one person disputing my inclusion on the team (who I'm not townreading anyways), it makes more sense to keep myself on the team with my two most certain townreads. Also agreed on the 24h thing, IRL really cut into my playing time, but it is what it is. Right before deadline + thread sentiment excuse: On November 03 2015 07:57 Half the Sky wrote:
4 mins left.
Could pull myself off and go with Rayn/Superbia/Kita.
But there are too many people not digging at least one of these as town. Talking about Xatalos' team: On November 03 2015 23:01 Half the Sky wrote:
So Xatalos, you're after me, assuming this team is a write-off (seeing as only one person is voting to pass it), I'd say nominate yourself and rayn for sure. I'd also say to vote me, but if you don't trust me, then I'd say see what happens the rest of this cycle and then tomorrow (when the torch passes to you) and then make the decision.
I know where rayn is coming from with Artanis/SL, but I agree with you that Artanis could be either alignment and sicklucker saying you're spy for omgus-like reasons....I don't know about the latter. I guess she's really focused on looking good... Don't you think it could be just town wanting to be townread? Well, that kind of contradicts the way she's also okay with not being on missions >.> Then why try so hard to look good? Good to see you're answering yourself. p: You're really the opposite of Shockey; each time someone brings a point on someone else, you accept it and change your read of that person. You really are following the thread sentiment to the letter. Can I have a quick read list post ? Atm I think rayn is most likely town. He has a very balanced view of the game and he's following what we talked about on Skype - trying to be more calm and reasonable in the way how he makes reads and pushes things. I didn't really see anything unacceptable from how his reads progressed so far. Not completely sold on anyone else being town right now. One of HTS/Kita most likely is (I'd guess HTS....) and Superbia could be... SL and Artanis could also well be town based on their "free-spirited" posting like rayn said (not really pushing any agenda). The rest would be null/scummy unless I forgot something. See previous posts about Kita and shockey, and you I'm less sure on, but... It's kind of hard to accept what reads you've been pushing (like the rayn push, town reading Kita/shockey over all others...?). While at it, you could just explain all of your reads so that I could try and make sense of it.
Bolded it where you say you're talking on skype.
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