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SL in case you go "BUT I VE ANSWERED TWICE ALREADY", here is the new interrogation of the day:
On November 05 2015 23:17 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2015 18:36 sicklucker wrote:
when i said the team is all town i ment me/rayn/artanis there.. Show nested quote +On November 05 2015 08:03 Superbia wrote:
This one is probably going to get rejected straight out bc there's a good chance SL will just continue to lurk. =/ Artanis would've gotten some votes. Show nested quote +On November 05 2015 08:09 sicklucker wrote:
super likely mafia. Im positive he has no reason to scum read me he just needs an excuse not to vote the all town team So these were the posts that came within 6 minutes of each other. Super said the team would get rejected with SL, but Artanis would have gotten votes instead. Now how could you think the team was SL/rayn/artanis if super is stating that artanis should have been included in the same exact post that you respond that he is scum?
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On November 05 2015 23:58 ShoCkeyy wrote:
The lineup when I voted was HtS, Xata and Kita, which I was perfectly fine with.
When was there ever a HTS/Xata/Kita line up for you to vote for? I'm confused what you are referencing here.
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kitaman27
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On November 06 2015 01:33 JudgeJudy wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2015 23:58 ShoCkeyy wrote:
The lineup when I voted was HtS, Xata and Kita, which I was perfectly fine with. When was there ever a HTS/Xata/Kita line up for you to vote for? I'm confused what you are referencing here.
TL just needs to disable my post button so I'm forced to use preview.
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On November 06 2015 01:18 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2015 01:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Like Rels, the fucking conversation you referred to is really fucking straight forward. Somehow you manage to not understand it at all.
This is why i don't answer stupid questions. I don't want to waste time on fucking bullshit that doesn't have anything to do with anything. THE POST I WAS REFERRING TO IS IN THE NESTED QUOTES AND IT WAS VERY FUCKING CLEAR WHERE I WAS REFERRING TO BECAUSE IT IS IN THE SAME FUCKING CONVERSATION.
You make easy things hard. Stop. No. You are either wrong or scum. You cannot think my scum game is PUSHING THREAD LEADERS. So if you're town, go reread my scum games and come back admitting you've made a mistake. If you're scum, feel free to do whatever.
I don't think pushing leaders is that hard to do as scum anyway... Even if you don't usually do it, there's nothing inherently stopping you from doing that here... So I kind of fail to see how a disagreement over your meta makes him scum or even suspicious?
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On November 06 2015 01:33 JudgeJudy wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2015 23:58 ShoCkeyy wrote:
The lineup when I voted was HtS, Xata and Kita, which I was perfectly fine with. When was there ever a HTS/Xata/Kita line up for you to vote for? I'm confused what you are referencing here.
Maybe a typo? I don't think that team was ever even talked about.
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On November 06 2015 01:38 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2015 01:33 JudgeJudy wrote:On November 05 2015 23:58 ShoCkeyy wrote:
The lineup when I voted was HtS, Xata and Kita, which I was perfectly fine with. When was there ever a HTS/Xata/Kita line up for you to vote for? I'm confused what you are referencing here. Maybe a typo? I don't think that team was ever even talked about.
Bah, I was reading into your filter when I wrote that and really meant rayn...
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kitaman27
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So rayn, I'm trying to understand your read on SL.
Your two main points initially were
1) That he would bus as a spy.
+ Show Spoiler +On November 03 2015 21:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:SL would bus (lol).  Basically as scum you want to look as town as possible and bussing is definitely not out of question, since you only need one scum onto a mission. If you, from the beginning, cut your own chances of getting to missions as scum, you basically just lose the game. And i still think SL would just bus. On November 04 2015 13:08 sicklucker wrote:
unless someone can come up with evidence that shockey knew votes would be revealed he should never ever ever be on a mission
One of the first things he does was explain that your strongest mafia read shockeyy should never ever be on a mission.
2) That he doesn't have a scum agenda.
+ Show Spoiler +On November 03 2015 19:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:
It basically has to do with me not seeing him playing towards anything.. ugh... idk it is hard to explain, i don't see him having scum agenda, or anything like that behind his posting. Same basically goes to sicklucker. On November 05 2015 09:10 sicklucker wrote:
like me not voting for ANY TEAM that does not include me On November 05 2015 09:46 sicklucker wrote:
like i would never put up a team that didnt include me On November 04 2015 19:44 sicklucker wrote:
gonna veto any xatalos unless its like me and rayn On November 05 2015 08:09 sicklucker wrote:
super likely mafia. Im positive he has no reason to scum read me On November 05 2015 09:11 sicklucker wrote:
im in hero pick phrase. im cooler with xata now.
Essentially his strategy this game is to veto any team that doesn't include himself, attack the players that suspect him, unless his mafia read actually nominates him, then he is fine with passing the team. Why isn't this a mafia agenda?
The explanation that scummy people think SL is spy, therefore he is town doesn't mean a lot considering in the first quote you say how busing isn't out of the question because you only need one spy.
Doesn't the reasoning you gave point to the opposite conclusion?
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On November 05 2015 22:29 Half the Sky wrote:On the topic of Artanis, I know he said he'd free up more Thursday so I look forward to reading more from him. Can't recall if he has capoeira today though, IRL he has been on a tear with that. Which means if he drops by in the UK, his first objective will be to dropkick me. Damn it. 
Nope, I'm gonna mostly have time for the next four hours. I may drop by to dropkick you anyway though 
On November 05 2015 07:23 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2015 06:31 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Oh jesus rels is involved in everything as mafia too x_x How do you know I'm involved in everything as town as well ? I'm pretty sure we never played together ??
Two things:
A) I assume most people have far more involved town games than scumgames. My townread on you came from the fact that you seem very active and involved in almost every discussion. That's generally enough to townread most players.
B) I have seen you play town before, though I haven't played with you. I'm not sure which game I was observing anymore but I have done so.
Also C) I never called you scum. I said you're back to null because what I thought made you town is apparently not alignment indicative.
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Rels, why did you flip your Rayn read based on things that had already happened before you townread him initially? What made you think about him again? Your argument's revolved around things he should know, but no part of your argument was new to when you said he was definitely town.
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Like you went from calling him basically confirmed town to very suspicious in 3 hours without anything seemingly triggering you.
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On November 05 2015 12:10 ShoCkeyy wrote:
You guys/girls are all bad at this game. It's so obvious I'm not scum by looking like scum.
This is not a very strong argument.
Also, what are your reads at? You seem to be suspicious of Rayn and Xata but you haven't really been explicit in it. I don't really understand what you're trying to do currently.
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I'm not sure how this
On November 05 2015 08:28 Half the Sky wrote:
Meh....nvm, Artanis corrected him. Was going to say....
eh....no change on my reads on Artanis. Reading pages 3-4 of his filter and not really finding any mafia motivation in his posts. Reading his queries (993/998) on Superbia and probably will read Superbia a bit closely now...
Lines up with this:
On November 05 2015 09:03 Half the Sky wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2015 08:56 kitaman27 wrote:On November 05 2015 08:41 Half the Sky wrote:
Aiming for until 12:30am or so... (another 45m) so if anyone wants to talk, please do. You don't need give details or anything, but where would you everyone one through nine in terms of trustworthiness? With nine being most trustworthy kitaman27 6 ShoCkeyy 2 at most Rels - um, zero? Artanis[Xp] 7-8 Xatalos 7 Superbia 6 raynpelikoneet - 8-9 sicklucker 5 at most (although I'm atm trying to evaluate him on what he does have...) I am aware that Rels, you, Superbia have pretty damned capable scum games so there is some caution with some of the ratings.
When before, your read on me was this:
On November 04 2015 21:57 Half the Sky wrote:
Alright that's not a fear read (a fear read to me is a non-read on a player who outplayed as Mafia or a refusal to read someone who is difficult to read in general), which is why I misunderstood, but that last post I see what you mean. You're obviously posting so that's out the window, so the current null read can change depending on what I see.
And you never expanded on the change of your read on me. What made you confident I was town and why?
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On November 06 2015 01:49 kitaman27 wrote:So rayn, I'm trying to understand your read on SL. Your two main points initially were 1) That he would bus as a spy. + Show Spoiler +On November 03 2015 21:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:SL would bus (lol). Basically as scum you want to look as town as possible and bussing is definitely not out of question, since you only need one scum onto a mission. If you, from the beginning, cut your own chances of getting to missions as scum, you basically just lose the game. And i still think SL would just bus. On November 04 2015 13:08 sicklucker wrote:
unless someone can come up with evidence that shockey knew votes would be revealed he should never ever ever be on a mission One of the first things he does was explain that your strongest mafia read shockeyy should never ever be on a mission. 2) That he doesn't have a scum agenda. + Show Spoiler +On November 03 2015 19:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:
It basically has to do with me not seeing him playing towards anything.. ugh... idk it is hard to explain, i don't see him having scum agenda, or anything like that behind his posting. Same basically goes to sicklucker. On November 05 2015 09:10 sicklucker wrote:
like me not voting for ANY TEAM that does not include me On November 05 2015 09:46 sicklucker wrote:
like i would never put up a team that didnt include me On November 04 2015 19:44 sicklucker wrote:
gonna veto any xatalos unless its like me and rayn On November 05 2015 08:09 sicklucker wrote:
super likely mafia. Im positive he has no reason to scum read me On November 05 2015 09:11 sicklucker wrote:
im in hero pick phrase. im cooler with xata now. Essentially his strategy this game is to veto any team that doesn't include himself, attack the players that suspect him, unless his mafia read actually nominates him, then he is fine with passing the team. Why isn't this a mafia agenda? The explanation that scummy people think SL is spy, therefore he is town doesn't mean a lot considering in the first quote you say how busing isn't out of the question because you only need one spy. Doesn't the reasoning you gave point to the opposite conclusion?
Dunno about that bus thing, but isn't it a quite restrictive scum strategy to only approve teams that you're a part of? Seemed more like paranoid than pushing any specific agenda to me. As scum, you'd want to be flexible so that you can vote for whatever you need to vote.
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On November 06 2015 02:18 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Like you went from calling him basically confirmed town to very suspicious in 3 hours without anything seemingly triggering you.
Maybe a justification to vote no or something...? Kind of hard to follow his reads when they jump around so fast... Especially without any events in the thread causing the changes really :/
Quite wary about including him in a team at this point, I guess.
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kitaman27
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On November 06 2015 03:21 Xatalos wrote:
Dunno about that bus thing, but isn't it a quite restrictive scum strategy to only approve teams that you're a part of?
Well it's the strategy I used as spy in Resistance 2.
On February 22 2012 05:10 kitaman27 wrote:
I sent my nay vote in as well. Doesn't make much sense to me to support a team where I'm not a part of on day one.
On February 22 2012 05:16 kitaman27 wrote:
I don't mind drawing out the voting a while if it gives us the best chance of winning.
Not saying it's a good strategy or anything, but it was exactly the policy I pushed myself.
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On November 06 2015 03:28 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2015 02:18 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Like you went from calling him basically confirmed town to very suspicious in 3 hours without anything seemingly triggering you. Maybe a justification to vote no or something...? Kind of hard to follow his reads when they jump around so fast... Especially without any events in the thread causing the changes really :/ Quite wary about including him in a team at this point, I guess.
He's already voiced suspicion on SL though, I don't think that'd be necessary. It's weird.
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On November 06 2015 03:42 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2015 03:21 Xatalos wrote:
Dunno about that bus thing, but isn't it a quite restrictive scum strategy to only approve teams that you're a part of? Well it's the strategy I used as spy in Resistance 2. Show nested quote +On February 22 2012 05:10 kitaman27 wrote:
I sent my nay vote in as well. Doesn't make much sense to me to support a team where I'm not a part of on day one. Show nested quote +On February 22 2012 05:16 kitaman27 wrote:
I don't mind drawing out the voting a while if it gives us the best chance of winning. Not saying it's a good strategy or anything, but it was exactly the policy I pushed myself.
Lol Well I guess I can see why you'd say that then... But I don't think it's a very good scum plan, and not at all specifically scum-aligned...
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On November 06 2015 03:44 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2015 03:28 Xatalos wrote:On November 06 2015 02:18 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Like you went from calling him basically confirmed town to very suspicious in 3 hours without anything seemingly triggering you. Maybe a justification to vote no or something...? Kind of hard to follow his reads when they jump around so fast... Especially without any events in the thread causing the changes really :/ Quite wary about including him in a team at this point, I guess. He's already voiced suspicion on SL though, I don't think that'd be necessary. It's weird.
Yeah... Dunno. Kind of hard to see the motivation.
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Yo folks! Not home so I'll be phoneposting
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On November 06 2015 01:35 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2015 01:18 Rels wrote:On November 06 2015 01:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Like Rels, the fucking conversation you referred to is really fucking straight forward. Somehow you manage to not understand it at all.
This is why i don't answer stupid questions. I don't want to waste time on fucking bullshit that doesn't have anything to do with anything. THE POST I WAS REFERRING TO IS IN THE NESTED QUOTES AND IT WAS VERY FUCKING CLEAR WHERE I WAS REFERRING TO BECAUSE IT IS IN THE SAME FUCKING CONVERSATION.
You make easy things hard. Stop. No. You are either wrong or scum. You cannot think my scum game is PUSHING THREAD LEADERS. So if you're town, go reread my scum games and come back admitting you've made a mistake. If you're scum, feel free to do whatever. I don't think pushing leaders is that hard to do as scum anyway... Even if you don't usually do it, there's nothing inherently stopping you from doing that here... So I kind of fail to see how a disagreement over your meta makes him scum or even suspicious?
Again; he's wrong in assuming that's something I would do as scum. If he's town, he will re evaluate.
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