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On November 06 2015 02:15 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2015 22:29 Half the Sky wrote:On the topic of Artanis, I know he said he'd free up more Thursday so I look forward to reading more from him. Can't recall if he has capoeira today though, IRL he has been on a tear with that. Which means if he drops by in the UK, his first objective will be to dropkick me. Damn it.  Nope, I'm gonna mostly have time for the next four hours. I may drop by to dropkick you anyway though  Show nested quote +On November 05 2015 07:23 Rels wrote:On November 05 2015 06:31 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Oh jesus rels is involved in everything as mafia too x_x How do you know I'm involved in everything as town as well ? I'm pretty sure we never played together ?? Two things: A) I assume most people have far more involved town games than scumgames. My townread on you came from the fact that you seem very active and involved in almost every discussion. That's generally enough to townread most players. B) I have seen you play town before, though I haven't played with you. I'm not sure which game I was observing anymore but I have done so. Also C) I never called you scum. I said you're back to null because what I thought made you town is apparently not alignment indicative.
OK that makes sense. Security check: can you link me to the game in question ? All my games are in my profile so that should take you like 5 seconds.
Im also pretty sure you said you would be reading my filter and evaluating me. Will you do it, or are you pulling a Hts ?
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On November 06 2015 02:17 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Rels, why did you flip your Rayn read based on things that had already happened before you townread him initially? What made you think about him again? Your argument's revolved around things he should know, but no part of your argument was new to when you said he was definitely town.
I'm on phone so no quote: read my big post. The first line is something like "I thought he was confirmed because he made a very similar post about noobking in newbie XIII". But actually its super suspicious that he uses this game to prove that my case are boring, when my play D1 this game was boring. Now he defends himself saying "But its not THIS kind of boring!", when he clearly said in example of me being town " look how he's always looking for something new on noobking".
I get that this is not very clear without quote; read my big post and the reactions after it to understand.
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On November 06 2015 06:22 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2015 02:15 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On November 05 2015 22:29 Half the Sky wrote:On the topic of Artanis, I know he said he'd free up more Thursday so I look forward to reading more from him. Can't recall if he has capoeira today though, IRL he has been on a tear with that. Which means if he drops by in the UK, his first objective will be to dropkick me. Damn it. Nope, I'm gonna mostly have time for the next four hours. I may drop by to dropkick you anyway though On November 05 2015 07:23 Rels wrote:On November 05 2015 06:31 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Oh jesus rels is involved in everything as mafia too x_x How do you know I'm involved in everything as town as well ? I'm pretty sure we never played together ?? Two things: A) I assume most people have far more involved town games than scumgames. My townread on you came from the fact that you seem very active and involved in almost every discussion. That's generally enough to townread most players. B) I have seen you play town before, though I haven't played with you. I'm not sure which game I was observing anymore but I have done so. Also C) I never called you scum. I said you're back to null because what I thought made you town is apparently not alignment indicative. OK that makes sense. Security check: can you link me to the game in question ? All my games are in my profile so that should take you like 5 seconds. Im also pretty sure you said you would be reading my filter and evaluating me. Will you do it, or are you pulling a Hts ?
Student Mafia XVI. I was a coach there too.
I did kinda evaluate you, though not as thoroughly yet as I need to. I also want to know why you suddenly decided to re-eval Rayn.
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On November 06 2015 06:28 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2015 02:17 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Rels, why did you flip your Rayn read based on things that had already happened before you townread him initially? What made you think about him again? Your argument's revolved around things he should know, but no part of your argument was new to when you said he was definitely town. I'm on phone so no quote: read my big post. The first line is something like "I thought he was confirmed because he made a very similar post about noobking in newbie XIII". But actually its super suspicious that he uses this game to prove that my case are boring, when my play D1 this game was boring. Now he defends himself saying "But its not THIS kind of boring!", when he clearly said in example of me being town " look how he's always looking for something new on noobking". I get that this is not very clear without quote; read my big post and the reactions after it to understand.
Yeah but what made you think about this? He hadn't said anything new since your last post.
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On November 06 2015 06:35 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2015 06:28 Rels wrote:On November 06 2015 02:17 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Rels, why did you flip your Rayn read based on things that had already happened before you townread him initially? What made you think about him again? Your argument's revolved around things he should know, but no part of your argument was new to when you said he was definitely town. I'm on phone so no quote: read my big post. The first line is something like "I thought he was confirmed because he made a very similar post about noobking in newbie XIII". But actually its super suspicious that he uses this game to prove that my case are boring, when my play D1 this game was boring. Now he defends himself saying "But its not THIS kind of boring!", when he clearly said in example of me being town " look how he's always looking for something new on noobking". I get that this is not very clear without quote; read my big post and the reactions after it to understand. Yeah but what made you think about this? He hadn't said anything new since your last post.
I don't know. I just thought about it and realized it didn't make sense to take as example a push of mine in one game, and forget another one in the same game that was the opposite.
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Like I'm thinking about this game all the time, trying to solve it. I just love that feeling of thinking about something new that make sense 
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On my bed right now; will post the day post in my game then sleep. So I'm still there 10 minutes for additional questions.
I think the team is some kind of rayn / Hts / superbia / sl. Xata and kita are town. I think arta and shockey are town, but I would like to see more from both of them.
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On my way home from work. Skimming on mobile.
On November 06 2015 06:52 Rels wrote:
On my bed right now; will post the day post in my game then sleep. So I'm still there 10 minutes for additional questions.
I think the team is some kind of rayn / Hts / superbia / sl. Xata and kita are town. I think arta and shockey are town, but I would like to see more from both of them.
Still at Rels/Shockey/TBD but I know I have to catch up. Referenced to figure out the last partner.
Also nice because if I'm wrong on one of my townreads, this could be a good place to start too.
sicklucker still not saying much? I see he answered my question fine but I think Artanis or Kita had followups that he didn't answer.
Shockey (in skimming) not saying much as a scum tell might indicate he's trying to not give partners away.
Someone else had a question for me - rayn? or was it Artanis? damn I hate mobile.
If Rels is scumlisting SL though, it probably means he'll be voting down the team (at least based on his most recent posts) and SL is town.
Which means the final mafia would point me in the direction of Kita/Xata/Artanis (wtf maybe I'm wrong somewhere??) or he's just scumlisting Superbia to disassociate from him since Superbia isn't on the team.
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Hmmmm not sure if that makes sense - the disassociation part.
So SL is doing jack shit and Rels isn't digging SL.
SL has never been logical or together really, as either alignment.
Ugh, I need to get on my desktop.
I think at this point I'm confident I'm doing the right thing with my vote though.
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On November 06 2015 02:15 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2015 22:29 Half the Sky wrote:On the topic of Artanis, I know he said he'd free up more Thursday so I look forward to reading more from him. Can't recall if he has capoeira today though, IRL he has been on a tear with that. Which means if he drops by in the UK, his first objective will be to dropkick me. Damn it. Nope, I'm gonna mostly have time for the next four hours. I may drop by to dropkick you anyway though
*cry*
On November 06 2015 02:23 Artanis[Xp] wrote:I'm not sure how this Show nested quote +On November 05 2015 08:28 Half the Sky wrote:
Meh....nvm, Artanis corrected him. Was going to say....
eh....no change on my reads on Artanis. Reading pages 3-4 of his filter and not really finding any mafia motivation in his posts. Reading his queries (993/998) on Superbia and probably will read Superbia a bit closely now... Lines up with this: Show nested quote +On November 05 2015 09:03 Half the Sky wrote:On November 05 2015 08:56 kitaman27 wrote:On November 05 2015 08:41 Half the Sky wrote:
Aiming for until 12:30am or so... (another 45m) so if anyone wants to talk, please do. You don't need give details or anything, but where would you everyone one through nine in terms of trustworthiness? With nine being most trustworthy kitaman27 6 ShoCkeyy 2 at most Rels - um, zero? Artanis[Xp] 7-8 Xatalos 7 Superbia 6 raynpelikoneet - 8-9 sicklucker 5 at most (although I'm atm trying to evaluate him on what he does have...) I am aware that Rels, you, Superbia have pretty damned capable scum games so there is some caution with some of the ratings. When before, your read on me was this: Show nested quote +On November 04 2015 21:57 Half the Sky wrote:
Alright that's not a fear read (a fear read to me is a non-read on a player who outplayed as Mafia or a refusal to read someone who is difficult to read in general), which is why I misunderstood, but that last post I see what you mean. You're obviously posting so that's out the window, so the current null read can change depending on what I see. And you never expanded on the change of your read on me. What made you confident I was town and why?
Damn I need to be able to quote off the desktop but that first quote you listed Lex, was definitely AFTER yesterday (I believe) I skimmed the thread and said for Xata to switch SL out for you because I felt you were more town, and then from THAT I went to "no change in my reads on Artanis" - it was not an unexplained change in read, but I did say I was skimming so chances are on mobile I did not actually quote what made me think you were town. I just remember skimming the thread, liking your latest round of posts, and then pushing you to be on the team over sicklucker, but then rayn just assumed all the scum were pushing for you to be on the team.
So you were more towny at the time I said no change. I remember this because I was getting the same read as Rels on you and I asked him what temperature it was in hell.
Capisce?
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Shockey is townreading Superbia, Rels, Artanis and Kita, scumreads on rayn and Xatalos.
Null on everyone else. Probably means I don't have to worry about a spy Xatalos fooling us all, with the third scum being Superbia/Kita, Artanis/sicklucker per this association is a longshot.
This also means though I'm wrong on a townread though, and I'm now not sure whom without filter diving.
It's one of Superbia or Kita, Rels is either defending scum Kita or disassociating from Superbia.
If I had to tinfoil Kita, the former makes sense considering the early case on Xatalos. But now we have some queries on Rels. Hmmmm.
The problem is, if sicklucker is mafia, and Rels is using reverse psychology on us, then this whole thing is blown out of the water. But Ockham's razor indicates SL is town, so I think that's what I'm going to hold for now, unless something else indicates otherwise.
Random thoughts. Still on mobile, can't filter dive too easily.
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May or may not be up late depending on how I feel. Guess the truth will be revealed in 15 minutes now...
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Nah wait, Rels is downvoting the team, so nvm.
sicklucker is probably town. Forgot for a second.
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Oh wow, just caught Rels' post #1242 - self-meta is usually a scum tell and especially for a player of his calibre (decent mafia play). Wouldn't buy that one for a second.
Self-meta as in he's aware and he easily has the ability to break that.
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On November 06 2015 01:10 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Hmmm rayn is starting to get mad again...
Do you think this is alignment indicative?
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Day 1
Xatalos Nomination (Xatalos, rayn, sicklucker)
Vote Result
Half the Sky - YES
Xatalos - YES
Artanis[Xp] - YES
raynpelikoneet - YES
ShoCkeyy - NO
Rels - NO
sicklucker - YES
kitaman27 - NO
Superbia - NO
MISSION IS APPROVED
Xatalos, raynpelikoneet, and sicklucker will be embarking on Mission 1
Mission will be completed in at 23:00 GMT (+00:00) on 6 November 2015.
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Holy shit those NOs... this game may be solved.
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
Hmm interesting.
Also, we have to submit mission 2 before finding out if mission 1 passes? Never seen a game work that way.
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Nice.
So we have a scumteam of Rels/Shockey and one of Kita/Superbia. At least it's looking that way.
I'm thinking Artanis should nominate himself, rayn and Xatalos. That is my first impression.
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
On November 06 2015 08:04 Half the Sky wrote:
I'm thinking Artanis should nominate himself, rayn and Xatalos. That is my first impression.
We'd be up to four for the next mission.
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