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Superbia
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands8889 Posts
November 04 2015 20:57 GMT
#1081
Anyway I have to brb rq.
Minimal effort.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12968 Posts
November 04 2015 21:24 GMT
#1082
I'm on mobile right now, gonna look into rels a bit more. Feel free to ask q's if you have any.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
November 04 2015 21:24 GMT
#1083
Re folks (=
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
November 04 2015 21:30 GMT
#1084
@rayn from your huge wall:
On November 05 2015 01:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:
The fact is, if you read Rels' posts in this light, there is literally way way way more things that are just plain out fucking scummy.

Expand.

On November 05 2015 01:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Now the point of all this was a couple of things:
- Rels; i didn't learn anything, although he called my logic "twisted", and i still don't know why. maybe he explains it someday, as there is nothing twisted in my logic. (i am pretty sure Xatalos & Artanis see what i was after here)
- ShoCkeyy; i don't really care since he is scum anyways, but he thinks i am scum (regardless of what he tries to say -- he does), so why does he accept a team proposed by scum? Like.. if i was scum i would put a teammate there, obviously, i am not stupid.
- regarding you, i wanted to push your reads out, because i was annoyed of you not giving any concrete reads. I know you would never agree to this regardless of who is mafia and regardless of your alignment. The thing that confuses me is that you kinda called me scummy for it, when there is literally no scum motivation for me to do that (i actually did a similar "anti-town" thing in Nuclear Winter mafia (which never had any anti-town motivation that anyone could explain) -- and caught Ace pants down on N1 ).

Your logic is twisted because the goal of the game is to pass mission, not fail them. I clearly said there is a town motivation behind your proposal though. So I don't understand why I'm on that list ? Expand.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12968 Posts
November 04 2015 21:31 GMT
#1085
On November 05 2015 03:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Season of the Witch II
Battle of Drams

Oh jesus rels is involved in everything as mafia too x_x
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
November 04 2015 21:35 GMT
#1086
On November 05 2015 03:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2015 03:27 kitaman27 wrote:
On November 05 2015 03:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
She thinks both you and kita are town but she picks the person that is least likely to get yay-voted in the team.
It makes very little sense.


What would be the mafia motivation to suggest a team with a less optimal chance of success here?

If HtS is mafia it comes down to this:
1) the team of HtS/Xatalos/rayn gets yay'd; me and Xatalos have "almost definitely confirmed scum", which suddenly makes everything HtS says after that a possibility of a big fuckup. She also needs to argue why Xatalos is scum.
2) the team of HtS/kita/rayn gets yay'd; She can actually more conveniently argue that kitaman is scum, because other people think kitaman is scum aswell. She don't even really need to argue, she can just +1 on the points. (the contrary to (1) is that i am not 100% arguing against her)
3) the team of HtS/kita/rayn get's nay'd (which is very very likely in the first place); she doesn't out herself, and passes the turn onto someone else -- she "looks better" to you, which increases her possibilities of getting picked later on as she is "right".

Personally i see the scum motivation in (2) and (3) over (1). If i was at HtS' position i would definitely pick either (2) or (3) over the possibility (1), since regardless of who is scum in this game at that time (and even now) the town is not working very well together.

Do you see me being scum with HTS ?
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12968 Posts
November 04 2015 21:44 GMT
#1087
Need to re-eval rels more when I actually have a pc and can compare filters. Moving him back to null/fear read though.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
November 04 2015 21:45 GMT
#1088
On November 05 2015 04:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:
With boring i mean this;

In contrary, here is a game where Rels argues "in a same way" with someone (n00bking, the final day and a night before). There he tried to take different approaches, tried to find new information, and like... he was fucking arguing while noobking was just sayin "but you lied. [insert 1000 nonsensical words here].

There n00bking was boring, and mafia. Rels was arguing.
Here Rels is boring, other people are arguing with him.

You're bad =D
At least I'm sure you're town now. But you're suuuuper bad bro.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
November 04 2015 21:46 GMT
#1089
On November 05 2015 04:46 kitaman27 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2015 03:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I don't have much to say to your big post kita. I just disagree.
I suggest you go read Rels' scumgames to see what he is capable of:
Season of the Witch II[/ur]
Battle of Drams

Basically the cases he makes look "good" but they are boring. lol, i can't explain that better.
Like here Superbia and to some extent HtS are like furious and spit flames everywhere (like BM in SotW game) when getting into argument with Rels. Rels is just.. boring, and the reasoning is boring. And he makes conclusions that don't make any sense, at all.


Okay I'll take a look.

rayn can you link the fucking post where kita seemed to know my scum game ?
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 04 2015 21:47 GMT
#1090
On November 05 2015 05:57 Superbia wrote:
Looking at his filter I can't really find a post that jumps out as super town or whatever. But from my POV I know I'm town, right. And rels was coming after me hard, but Xat never wavered on his town-lean on me. It was at most null. If Xat was mafia I think he would've agreed with Rels regardless of Rels alignment and would've taken the opportunity to flip on me and put on more pressure.

Okay. Can you explain why you called HtS' team of me/xatalos/her "fishy" (or smth like that)?

The post is in your filter, probably on p2 or 3. I know, from your posting at that time, at least that is what your posts suggeat, that you read her town and me town, so....
table for two on a tv tray
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
November 04 2015 21:48 GMT
#1091
Alright caught up. Now listen:
Someone did a post on Xatalos in my game, listing how he never had more than like 10 or 15 pages as scum, and townread him for it. Xatalos was town (he's dead already in my game). So let's check out!
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 04 2015 21:52 GMT
#1092
On November 03 2015 05:56 Superbia wrote:
Okay. I'm here. Gonna read through some stuff, play some isaac. Expect some comments later. Probably before deadline. Haven't made my mind up on team yet. First glance seems HtS is leaning town. Yet team feels iffy. Idk yet.

This post. Who is iffy?
table for two on a tv tray
Superbia
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands8889 Posts
November 04 2015 21:55 GMT
#1093
On November 05 2015 06:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 03 2015 05:56 Superbia wrote:
Okay. I'm here. Gonna read through some stuff, play some isaac. Expect some comments later. Probably before deadline. Haven't made my mind up on team yet. First glance seems HtS is leaning town. Yet team feels iffy. Idk yet.

This post. Who is iffy?


What team was this again? Like you+hts+xat?
Minimal effort.
Superbia
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands8889 Posts
November 04 2015 21:57 GMT
#1094
If so- I've explained already that I was/am pretty worried about both your and HtS' scum-game. I don't really have general/meta town/scum tells on either of you (well, I do on you, but I haven't sold myself on it yet. If you end up flipping town this game it's correct).
Minimal effort.
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
November 04 2015 22:07 GMT
#1095
On my way home from work. Trying to skim on mobile at the moment, but looks like filter diving some of the walls is best done on my desktop...

Going to catch-up/cram 1-2h on this when I get home...because I get to do it all over again tomorrow working 0800-2200 again.... (read: another sporadic as shit day)

Someone vig me please.

The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
November 04 2015 22:11 GMT
#1096
On November 05 2015 06:48 Rels wrote:
Alright caught up. Now listen:
Someone did a post on Xatalos in my game, listing how he never had more than like 10 or 15 pages as scum, and townread him for it. Xatalos was town (he's dead already in my game). So let's check out!


Tbh it's not so much the amount of posts I make, but rather the way I play the game as town. It's pretty hard and dangerous to replicate as scum. One wrong step... But anyways, good luck meta'ing....
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Superbia
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands8889 Posts
November 04 2015 22:12 GMT
#1097
Xat what's your current team? I can't find it on short notice (also being lazy).
Minimal effort.
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
November 04 2015 22:13 GMT
#1098
me/rayn/sicklucker

I've also been considering replacing sicklucker with Artanis or you... I guess there's still time to consider it.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
November 04 2015 22:16 GMT
#1099
Just skimming I'd rec swapping SL for Artanis but I'll confirm when I do the deep diving.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
November 04 2015 22:17 GMT
#1100
Xatalos' average filter length per game

1 phase = 72 hours

As town
Vanilla Mini Mafia: 40 pages Killed N3 - Average 13.3p / phase
Guilty Mini Mafia: 37 pages Survived N3 - Average 13.8p / phase
Arnie whatever Mafia: 15 pages Endgamed D1 - Average 22.5p / phase
PYP Mini: 19 pages Survived D2 - Average 11.4p / phase
I'm a cop you idiot 2: 12 pages Killed N1 - Average 12p / phase
GOT Mafia: 27 pages Endgamed N4 - Average 6.75p / phase
Nuclear Winter Mafia: 18 pages Killed N2 - Average 9p / phase
PTP IV: 10 pages Killed D3 - Average 3.75p / phase
British Empire Mini Mafia: 3 pages Lynched D1 - Average 4.5p / phase
Paranoia Mafia: number of phase not indicated
Newbie XIII: 13 pages Lynched D3 - Average 4.88p / phase

Average page / phase as town: 10.19

As mafia
Assassination mafia: 5 pages Killed N2 - Average 2.5p / phase
Carol of the bells: 14 pages Endgamed N5 - Average 2.8p / phase
Titanic: 15 pages Lynched D3 - Average 5.63p / phase
Desert: 15 pages Survived N5 - Average 3p / phase
Newbie XXVI: 2 pages Lynched D4 - Average 0.55p / phase
Newbie XV: don't wanna find out the number of phases.
A GOT mafia (not the fucking same): 3 pages Survived N5 - Average 0.6p / phase.

Average page / phase as mafia: 2.51




This game: 11 pages in almost a phase

OK I think it's pretty clear. p:
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