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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 04 2015 19:05 GMT
#1061
Anyways, i think the team is fine for now. I gotta go, but i'll be on my phone.
Might not post much, but i am following the game anyways.
table for two on a tv tray
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
November 04 2015 19:36 GMT
#1062
On November 05 2015 03:34 Xatalos wrote:
What do you mean that I didn't have any real reads and that my explanation wasn't "genuine"? At the time, I think you just said "I guess we have different views on the word 'engaged' then" or something....


Scum reads, not reads in general. They were all town reads at the time.

As for the engaged stuff I think I explained how he hadn't interacted with hardly anyone at all at that point, unless you are asking something different?
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
November 04 2015 19:45 GMT
#1063
On November 05 2015 03:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2015 03:27 kitaman27 wrote:
On November 05 2015 03:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
She thinks both you and kita are town but she picks the person that is least likely to get yay-voted in the team.
It makes very little sense.


What would be the mafia motivation to suggest a team with a less optimal chance of success here?

If HtS is mafia it comes down to this:


Yeah I guess it's another one of those "if player x is spy, this explains things" rather than "this happened, therefore player x is probably spy".

I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
November 04 2015 19:46 GMT
#1064
On November 05 2015 03:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I don't have much to say to your big post kita. I just disagree.
I suggest you go read Rels' scumgames to see what he is capable of:
Season of the Witch II[/ur]
Battle of Drams

Basically the cases he makes look "good" but they are boring. lol, i can't explain that better.
Like here Superbia and to some extent HtS are like furious and spit flames everywhere (like BM in SotW game) when getting into argument with Rels. Rels is just.. boring, and the reasoning is boring. And he makes conclusions that don't make any sense, at all.


Okay I'll take a look.
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
November 04 2015 19:53 GMT
#1065
On November 05 2015 04:36 kitaman27 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2015 03:34 Xatalos wrote:
What do you mean that I didn't have any real reads and that my explanation wasn't "genuine"? At the time, I think you just said "I guess we have different views on the word 'engaged' then" or something....


Scum reads, not reads in general. They were all town reads at the time.

As for the engaged stuff I think I explained how he hadn't interacted with hardly anyone at all at that point, unless you are asking something different?


Not all. I did scumread you, for example, and shockeyy/Rels were pushing into scum territory.

Whereas you didn't even have a single scumread (or a non-vague read in general) if I remember correctly So your argument is very... hypocritical, to say the least.

I did admit that Superbia wasn't as engaged back then as I had thought earlier, and that most of his posts being directed at me may have blinded me a bit. Besides I was mostly talking about the quantity of his engagement, not how many people it was directed to.

In any case, your "case" is just nitpicking at this point. If you looked at my meta, you'd see that I'm pretty clearly town already. What you've brought is pretty much either misrepresented or not indicative of anything, such as me being wrong on some small detail...
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
November 04 2015 19:55 GMT
#1066
On November 05 2015 03:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Season of the Witch II
Battle of Drams


WTF 30 pages as scum >.>
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
November 04 2015 19:57 GMT
#1067
Huh... Impossible to townread Rels based on activity, I guess....
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
November 04 2015 20:07 GMT
#1068
Guess no one read my last post.
Life?
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 04 2015 20:15 GMT
#1069
On November 05 2015 04:45 kitaman27 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2015 03:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On November 05 2015 03:27 kitaman27 wrote:
On November 05 2015 03:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
She thinks both you and kita are town but she picks the person that is least likely to get yay-voted in the team.
It makes very little sense.


What would be the mafia motivation to suggest a team with a less optimal chance of success here?

If HtS is mafia it comes down to this:


Yeah I guess it's another one of those "if player x is spy, this explains things" rather than "this happened, therefore player x is probably spy".


No it isnt. It is another instance where i elaborate to "this action has no scum motive" with "here is the scum motive".

i dont like when i am asked about something - or been given non-logical arguments - and answer them, people turn them around and say something irrelevant instead of agreeing/disagreeing with what i ACTUALLY say...
table for two on a tv tray
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
November 04 2015 20:18 GMT
#1070
On November 05 2015 05:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2015 04:45 kitaman27 wrote:
On November 05 2015 03:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On November 05 2015 03:27 kitaman27 wrote:
On November 05 2015 03:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
She thinks both you and kita are town but she picks the person that is least likely to get yay-voted in the team.
It makes very little sense.


What would be the mafia motivation to suggest a team with a less optimal chance of success here?

If HtS is mafia it comes down to this:


Yeah I guess it's another one of those "if player x is spy, this explains things" rather than "this happened, therefore player x is probably spy".


No it isnt. It is another instance where i elaborate to "this action has no scum motive" with "here is the scum motive".

i dont like when i am asked about something - or been given non-logical arguments - and answer them, people turn them around and say something irrelevant instead of agreeing/disagreeing with what i ACTUALLY say...


Already disagreed here.

On November 05 2015 03:23 kitaman27 wrote:
From a spy HTS position, I think her priority would be to get a team that passes. The suggestion that it would be easier to blame a failed mission on myself than xatalos seems less important than finding a team that passes so you can ensure that there isn't a mission 1-2-3 combo. In my opinion, HTS-Xat-rayn seemed more likely to pass at the time.

I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
November 04 2015 20:26 GMT
#1071
On November 05 2015 02:11 ShoCkeyy wrote:
I also don't need to place myself on my own team if I'm confident on who is town. Back to work.


The problem that I have here is that you said you would pass every combination except the xat + rayn combo. rayn really seems to be the player you were most suspicious of on day one, yet you sent it through.

Also, don't get discouraged by everyone scum reading you if you are indeed town. People are going to reject pretty much anything you say if the hive mind is against you. Just keep trucking and maybe it will help sometime down the road
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
November 04 2015 20:32 GMT
#1072
On November 05 2015 05:26 kitaman27 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2015 02:11 ShoCkeyy wrote:
I also don't need to place myself on my own team if I'm confident on who is town. Back to work.


The problem that I have here is that you said you would pass every combination except the xat + rayn combo. rayn really seems to be the player you were most suspicious of on day one, yet you sent it through.

Also, don't get discouraged by everyone scum reading you if you are indeed town. People are going to reject pretty much anything you say if the hive mind is against you. Just keep trucking and maybe it will help sometime down the road


The reason I passed it was because if a sabotage happened on the first mission, then that can just fuel the suspicion even more and more people would start to see what I'm talking about. Also, Idc if people scum read me, I've been playing TL Mafia since the mafia forums first opened ;p
Life?
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
November 04 2015 20:38 GMT
#1073
On November 05 2015 04:53 Xatalos wrote:
Not all. I did scumread you, for example, and shockeyy/Rels were pushing into scum territory.


I don't remember finding anything on shockeyy and Rels you had a townie sounding null at the time. I acknowledge that it changed later on.

On November 05 2015 04:53 Xatalos wrote:
I did admit that Superbia wasn't as engaged back then as I had thought earlier, and that most of his posts being directed at me may have blinded me a bit. Besides I was mostly talking about the quantity of his engagement, not how many people it was directed to.


Noted.

On November 05 2015 04:53 Xatalos wrote:
If you looked at my meta, you'd see that I'm pretty clearly town already. What you've brought is pretty much either misrepresented or not indicative of anything, such as me being wrong on some small detail...


Whenever possible I try to avoid meta arguments because it relies on that player not being aware of their town tendencies. Otherwise you could simply emulate them as mafia. Here you certainly are aware because you suggest that your meta makes you clearly town. It wouldn't be fair to assume that you're terrible at mafia.
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
November 04 2015 20:46 GMT
#1074
On November 05 2015 05:32 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2015 05:26 kitaman27 wrote:
On November 05 2015 02:11 ShoCkeyy wrote:
I also don't need to place myself on my own team if I'm confident on who is town. Back to work.


The problem that I have here is that you said you would pass every combination except the xat + rayn combo. rayn really seems to be the player you were most suspicious of on day one, yet you sent it through.

Also, don't get discouraged by everyone scum reading you if you are indeed town. People are going to reject pretty much anything you say if the hive mind is against you. Just keep trucking and maybe it will help sometime down the road


The reason I passed it was because if a sabotage happened on the first mission, then that can just fuel the suspicion even more and more people would start to see what I'm talking about. Also, Idc if people scum read me, I've been playing TL Mafia since the mafia forums first opened ;p


Maybe you explained this and I just didn't interpret it correctly, but you could explain one more time why you would have voted this way:

hts/kita/rayn = pass
hts/kita/xat = pass
hts/rayn/xat = fail
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
Superbia
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands8889 Posts
November 04 2015 20:46 GMT
#1075
On November 05 2015 02:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Well to be fair, Superbia, at which point you started townreading Xatalos?
I assume you are townreading him now, right?


Upwards slope after I started flipping on him. I feel his logic has been super consistent this game. Especially on me. Like it's been logical but still wary. Feels very natural.
Minimal effort.
Superbia
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands8889 Posts
November 04 2015 20:47 GMT
#1076
What's the team?
Minimal effort.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 04 2015 20:47 GMT
#1077
On November 05 2015 05:32 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2015 05:26 kitaman27 wrote:
On November 05 2015 02:11 ShoCkeyy wrote:
I also don't need to place myself on my own team if I'm confident on who is town. Back to work.


The problem that I have here is that you said you would pass every combination except the xat + rayn combo. rayn really seems to be the player you were most suspicious of on day one, yet you sent it through.

Also, don't get discouraged by everyone scum reading you if you are indeed town. People are going to reject pretty much anything you say if the hive mind is against you. Just keep trucking and maybe it will help sometime down the road


The reason I passed it was because if a sabotage happened on the first mission, then that can just fuel the suspicion even more and more people would start to see what I'm talking about. Also, Idc if people scum read me, I've been playing TL Mafia since the mafia forums first opened ;p

I am a bit confused.
Am i mafia or am i not mafia? Is xatalos mafia or is he not mafia?

If yes. Why?
table for two on a tv tray
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 04 2015 20:49 GMT
#1078
On November 05 2015 05:46 Superbia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2015 02:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Well to be fair, Superbia, at which point you started townreading Xatalos?
I assume you are townreading him now, right?


Upwards slope after I started flipping on him. I feel his logic has been super consistent this game. Especially on me. Like it's been logical but still wary. Feels very natural.

I'd like to hear a page number or poat or something where null gets upgraded to town.
table for two on a tv tray
Superbia
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands8889 Posts
November 04 2015 20:53 GMT
#1079
On November 05 2015 05:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2015 05:46 Superbia wrote:
On November 05 2015 02:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Well to be fair, Superbia, at which point you started townreading Xatalos?
I assume you are townreading him now, right?


Upwards slope after I started flipping on him. I feel his logic has been super consistent this game. Especially on me. Like it's been logical but still wary. Feels very natural.

I'd like to hear a page number or poat or something where null gets upgraded to town.


poat?
Minimal effort.
Superbia
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands8889 Posts
November 04 2015 20:57 GMT
#1080
Looking at his filter I can't really find a post that jumps out as super town or whatever. But from my POV I know I'm town, right. And rels was coming after me hard, but Xat never wavered on his town-lean on me. It was at most null. If Xat was mafia I think he would've agreed with Rels regardless of Rels alignment and would've taken the opportunity to flip on me and put on more pressure.
Minimal effort.
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