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Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
November 04 2015 16:54 GMT
#1021
Wow too long to even read before leaving. See you later folks
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
November 04 2015 17:06 GMT
#1022
Wow, what a post by rayn >.>

I agree it's weird how he treats me and Rels differently. Easily townreading him and scumreading me based on some detail. Which I already explained, and he seemed to accept, yet the read persists..
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
November 04 2015 17:10 GMT
#1023
I guess you mean that bussing is MORE dangerous in this setup, rayn? Not sure if I completely agree... Isn't it kind of useful to not be "hard-aligned" with team selections in mind?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
November 04 2015 17:11 GMT
#1024
On November 04 2015 20:12 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Since this worked so well for me last time I'm gonna go and do it again. Reads of X on Y below:
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Things of note after I went through the filters:
-Superbia doesn't have many opinions at all. I don't like it. He was honed into one thing and one thing alone for a while and didn't really come to anything from it.
-I actually came off with a pretty strong townread on sl from it, which I was surprised by. He seems very open and aggressive in his posting which I didn't get from him when he was scum. Seems to actually be trying to do stuff.
-Surprised so many people scumread Rels still. He seems really active to me and pushing things. Can people explain this?
-Still actually kinda leaning scum on HtS. She seems highly defensive, and in hindsight I still don't really like how she mentioned how I didn't have much time, yet still tried to push a fear read based on not doing much.

Also, Rayn should be on whichever next mission. I also find it odd that shockeyy's actually suspicious of him, I'm not sure that's actually a good play as mafia to do but eh. Could be newbie scum I suppose.


You missed that I town read you and rels also. Another thing, why would I say I don't need to get on a team if I was mafia? Wouldn't I want to be on a team if I was mafia in order to sabotage?... You guys don't make any sense. I also don't need to place myself on my own team if I'm confident on who is town. Back to work.
Life?
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
November 04 2015 17:12 GMT
#1025
On November 05 2015 01:53 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2015 01:40 kitaman27 wrote:
On November 05 2015 01:29 Xatalos wrote:
Overall, would be nice to hear more opinions on the current proposal. From you, from Superbia, and others.


I'm leaning towards reject at the moment. I wouldn't feel comfortable passing a team with you still. I think there are better alternatives than sicklucker, though I'm still kinda null on him so he wouldn't totally kill a team. rayn has also owed me a response for a while, so I'm waiting on that.

Preferably I'd be looking at something like Kita/artanis/rayn, though I'm obviously aware that you wouldn't do something like that. Maybe one of HTS/Rels in place of myself if need be (?).

Wait a minute. So your scum team is Superbia / Shockey / SL, since you're townreading everybody else.
Can you tell me why would HTS would follow the town sentiment to the point of considering putting herself out of her own team, in the first draft of the first mission ? Especially since, like she said, she didn't have much time to properly think.


Xat is missing.

I also questioned why she would suggest excluding herself for the sake of passing the group when it initially happened. I don't have a great explanation other than she was willing to toy with the idea of making a sub-optimal play, which sometimes happens as town. I don't think it was very likely that she would have removed herself, though I could be wrong. Right now the good outweighs the bad for me. Something like 70/30.
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
November 04 2015 17:17 GMT
#1026
On November 05 2015 01:45 kitaman27 wrote:
Aside from the PoE analysis, what type of things make you suspicious of Shockey or HTS from their posting history? Does it really matter who HTS frames between you, Xat, and myself? I suppose a spy HTS would be hesitant to nominate a town superbia who hasn't posted for a while, but what's the different from a town xat and a town kita to her?

The difference is i am not calling Xatalos scum and i am calling you scum.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
November 04 2015 17:18 GMT
#1027
On November 05 2015 02:10 Xatalos wrote:
I guess you mean that bussing is MORE dangerous in this setup, rayn? Not sure if I completely agree... Isn't it kind of useful to not be "hard-aligned" with team selections in mind?

No, i mean it is situational. And it is generally easier to tell if scum are bussing or not when you have figured out one (or two) scum.
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gregpowell950
Profile Joined November 2015
United States3 Posts
November 04 2015 17:18 GMT
#1028
--- Nuked ---
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
November 04 2015 17:19 GMT
#1029
okay jabu.
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kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
November 04 2015 17:23 GMT
#1030
Fake passports? Such an obvious spy.
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
November 04 2015 17:24 GMT
#1031
On November 05 2015 02:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2015 01:45 kitaman27 wrote:
Aside from the PoE analysis, what type of things make you suspicious of Shockey or HTS from their posting history? Does it really matter who HTS frames between you, Xat, and myself? I suppose a spy HTS would be hesitant to nominate a town superbia who hasn't posted for a while, but what's the different from a town xat and a town kita to her?

The difference is i am not calling Xatalos scum and i am calling you scum.


Not sure how that applies to the spy HTS scenario being referenced.
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
November 04 2015 17:24 GMT
#1032
Hm... What's your opinion on the team while we're still both here, rayn? Is sicklucker the most likely to be town as the third option? Or do you think it's possible to locate the whole scumteam with enough accuracy at the moment for the other plan Personally I'm not that confident atm...
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
November 04 2015 17:33 GMT
#1033
On November 05 2015 02:24 kitaman27 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2015 02:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On November 05 2015 01:45 kitaman27 wrote:
Aside from the PoE analysis, what type of things make you suspicious of Shockey or HTS from their posting history? Does it really matter who HTS frames between you, Xat, and myself? I suppose a spy HTS would be hesitant to nominate a town superbia who hasn't posted for a while, but what's the different from a town xat and a town kita to her?

The difference is i am not calling Xatalos scum and i am calling you scum.


Not sure how that applies to the spy HTS scenario being referenced.

Because if the team goes through and gets sabotaged i am going to call her scum since i am sure Xatalos is town. If you are on the mission instead of Xatalos i am not going to call her scum, at least that's not as likely as with Xatalos.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
November 04 2015 17:34 GMT
#1034
On November 05 2015 02:24 Xatalos wrote:
Hm... What's your opinion on the team while we're still both here, rayn? Is sicklucker the most likely to be town as the third option? Or do you think it's possible to locate the whole scumteam with enough accuracy at the moment for the other plan Personally I'm not that confident atm...

I would pick Superbia atm tbh. I think he's most likely to be town after you based on his latest posting.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
November 04 2015 17:35 GMT
#1035
I actually talked about it in my post on the last page lkita.
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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
November 04 2015 17:39 GMT
#1036
Really? A further explanation would be nice.. He's been kind of hesitant to give reads or comment on things for a while. I guess his post with the vote analysis / possible scumteams was okay.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
November 04 2015 17:43 GMT
#1037
I basically think everything he says sounds reasonable.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
November 04 2015 17:44 GMT
#1038
Like he literally commented on almost every person in the game....
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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
November 04 2015 17:52 GMT
#1039
Hmmm....

What I mean is, he didn't really comment on the whole process of HTS's team selection at all. Then he only said "I'll vote yes" during the voting, but actually voted no. Even now I'm not sure of his thought process for all of that.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
November 04 2015 17:52 GMT
#1040
TBF, Artanis, the same question i posed to kitaman about Rels, goes to you aswell.
It's in my post last page.
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