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Vivax
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I can compromise on swapping myself out with either Shockey or Xata (who I think is more likely to be town than SL) if you don't trust me. If you also TR rayn who in my opinion is a good player but had to be wrong on someone last cycle, that sort of coincides with his reads, with exception of HTS/Shockey. | ||
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I'd claim he can be on the level of BH in mafia mini mafia which is recent, if he puts enough effort into it. I don't think he's on the level of BH in this game teehee. I think the best way to read him is just checking if he pushes townies (or scum objectives) or is actually believably correct on something.Imo he has been focusing on the wrong things, like his setup talk in the start when to me all the exchanges between Xata/super and rayn/Rels felt really interesting (although he could only have commented on Xata/super, rayn/rels happened later and I have to see if he took a stance there). And he has tried to push my slot as being spy which I also didn't like. I thought my slot was looking townier than Xata at the beginning of the game. | ||
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On November 13 2015 07:17 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I am kind of trusting you, but it requires Xata to be scum and with how scummy SL just looked I'm actually not sure on that one anymore. You will never be sure on that, you should compromise on picking two that you don't send on a mission, that's completely feasible, even three. | ||
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That's basically his first response to him: Though I do wonder to myself why a spy Rels would attack me for such a ticky tack point. I'd expect a spy to push something along the lines of "kita isn't contributing what I would expect from his town play", rather than trying to paint me in a bad light from the start. Notice the lack of omgus. If you keep reading you will note that kita talks a lot indirectly about him in his conversations with rayn, Shockey, and Artanis. It's the feeling that kita tries to be invisible while posting, asking a ton of questions without posting much own opinion (setup talk doesn't count). I hope you see what I mean when you read around that time. | ||
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On November 13 2015 07:19 Half the Sky wrote: Kita Vivax has said he's not have had the time to play this game. He is probably going to have bad and/or suboptimal reads regardless of alignment. Why are you suggesting (if you are?) this could be mafia motivated? I don't think my reads are bad (I'll never know until it ends tho), I only regret that I was too optimistic on rayn already being right. I'd have done more research on kita if I had the time :/, since just voting no wouldn't have been enough. | ||
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1) He did indeed read my filter leading to my conclusion that I'm mafia 2) He did not read my filter, yet I go from a "I don't know" read to his scum read anyways No I didn't read your entire filter but it was enough to see how you started the game off. I can sum up that you initially dodged the Xata/my slot fight and quickly switched to setup talk, then gave a sketchy read on Rels and proceeded to not talk about him but asking people about him without really posting conclusions for yourself. Later on you just kept pushing my slot which is the most unproductive thing I have witnessed in the game and I know that for 100 % cause I know my slot. That already cost you my trust points. Then you went to comment on mission 2 including all of me/SL/Xata among possible mafia (in your summary of everyone's reads), with emphasis on SL. But you also said "Xata if SL is town" (which you will never know, and then included me in the remaining pool of suspects outside these two (why outside??) Now you're pushing the notion that I'm mafia. I'm reasonably confident this isn't your town game. Are you okay with shockey's team having SL on it? | ||
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I'm at like page 6 and overall I see you posting a lot of scenarios, or summarize other people's scumreads but you lack one thing so far even after team 2 failed and it's you pushing your favourite team like a lot of people are doing. You are good at talking about things and around things but I don't really see you pushing anything concrete as your own preference when you should actually know that you can be more influent than what you are pulling off with all these summaries, setup talk, iterations and occasional questions about people you mildly townread (Rels). | ||
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Mention a team of people you would accept being sent, cause there's little point in me just calling you mafia if what we're discussing isn't a team with you on it. | ||
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Which is what you have been doing contrary to other people who actually propose teams of townreads, not scumreads. | ||
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On November 13 2015 08:09 ShoCkeyy wrote: Oh man, I just realized I didn't even nominate the team I wanted..... Work got the best of me  Which 1 did you intend to send? | ||
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GET DUNKED | ||
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On November 13 2015 09:03 kitaman27 wrote: He has the opportunity to align himself against Xata, but posts the filter length analysis that makes Xata look pretty decent. If I remember correctly, this was posted prior to the mission one failure meaning that he was making a player who is up for consideration look decent, while lessening his own chance of inclusion. This doesn't apply if it is Xata + Rels as the spy, but I thought the other stuff outweighed the exception. I snipped out the parts I didn't find as interesting as this one. Your argument revolves just around him aligning himself in a certain way to a player, but you totally ignore the fact he decided to scumread me instead of Xata early in the game and took away his chances of pushing suspicion on him in case of mission fail. So the only thing he could have done was to keep his read consistent and try to clear Xata, your argument here is NAI. You can do better than that, but you aren't town .Other point: You call himself aligning against Xata an "opportunity". Why? What would be the benefit in that situation? | ||
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On November 14 2015 01:06 kitaman27 wrote: I've responded to you about Rels like you asked and posted about Artanis. What do you have to say about those? Also, based on this post does that confirm that you've read my filter regarding my interaction with SL and still hold the conclusion that we are buddies? I didn't read your interaction much yet, but I noticed the lack of interaction between you and him when you voted yes on a team I was on, yet he should have been much more worked up about you instead of me if you were having a beef with each other earlier in the game already. | ||
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Just hope to catch you in another game where you're actually town. HTS/me/Artanis/Coag ftw. Swap me for Shockey, or Xata if needed. Btw I hardly see people considering putting Arta on a team, which I really don't get. 1. He looks townish, 2. He's good at resistance. | ||
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On November 14 2015 01:26 kitaman27 wrote: Don't you answer your own question in your response? Yet instead you're taunting me with stuff like "you can do better than this"? Yes there's no benefit to be had, he could as well just have pushed Xata as town cause he had to. Yet you say there was some sort of attainable benefit in that situation. | ||
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