Newbie Student Mafia XVII: Fullmetal Edition

On November 12 2015 15:03 VisceraEyes wrote:

I defs need help with my gif theory...

On November 16 2015 05:58 FarahBlackwing wrote:
##unvote

Ok I have my read now.

Why shouldn't I dos something earlto try to obtain any type of formative reads or understanding when everyone was just saying hi.

On November 16 2015 05:59 geript wrote:

So what's your read and how did you reach it?

On November 16 2015 06:05 FarahBlackwing wrote:


Shining is town based on general activity, somewhat emotional responses based on things happening in game. His posts sound like someone struggling o try to get his point across rather than someone trying to fit in.

Pretty sure he's town at least for now.

On November 16 2015 06:09 Trfel wrote:
You're going to need to explain this.

On November 16 2015 06:11 FarahBlackwing wrote:
That's what your going to get geript that's my read and idc if it is not adequate for you.

On November 16 2015 06:13 FarahBlackwing wrote:


From reading his past games he is slightly more posty but he's more mechanical as scum and lacks emotional responses about in game situations and it generally comes later after post a than in sync with the thread. This view comes from research and talking with people who know how to read him

On November 16 2015 06:39 Trfel wrote:
Either geript knows a whole darn lot that I don't or he's mafia.

I'm reasonably happy with FarahBlackwing and The Shining as town.

On November 16 2015 07:33 ritoky wrote:




yo geript, wtf happened here? gimme more you fucker -> super agreeable but you're wrong. like wha?

On November 16 2015 14:32 ritoky wrote:
idk about that shining post you quoted there breshke. you're like "second paragraph is whatever"; the second paragraph is an excuse wrapped in self-aware meta. no bueno. plus i don't think he is nitpicky....i think he doesn't care about his reads, he is just giving them out of his ass.

On November 16 2015 14:37 ritoky wrote:


yo geript, what do you think of the bolded? like...why was it included?

On November 16 2015 15:35 ritoky wrote:


tonal meta or content meta?

On November 16 2015 15:42 ritoky wrote:
also geript did you get upgraded to full time for that nursing job you got?

On November 17 2015 07:29 VisceraEyes wrote:
The people arguing man I don't know. I saw a bunch of posters arguing with each other so I made a broad stroke generalization that most of them are town. I'm not currently sitting at the computer so I'm not gonna go back and name names, the point was that like always I'm mostly interested in lynching in the low volume posters today.

On November 17 2015 07:33 Breshke wrote:


I have no problem with VE's read on FF seems to be a classic " he isn't doing stuff so lynch him".

IDK i said it was dumb but people normally do stuff out of 10 or a percent or like out of 5. He did 7 so someone could be like "Why the fuck is it out of 7" and he would need to explain which would bring more attention to his reads etc

On November 17 2015 09:51 ritoky wrote:
town in no particular order:
ritoky
geript
ve
trfel
farah
NM

exempt:
moosy - reasons
ever - surgery sympathy

not town:
ff
disform
shining
breshke
scott

any questions?

On November 17 2015 10:18 Fecalfeast wrote:
When did I become such a pushover? That disform post reads pretty genuine to me

On November 17 2015 16:57 Fecalfeast wrote:
I'm here now can you hold my hand geript and tell me what was scum indicative about disform's post?

On November 18 2015 02:37 disformation wrote:
Okay moosy vs scott:

MoosyDoosy
Do I want to lynch moosy because I think he is mafia?
To be totally honest: No. I want to policy lynch him for pulling that martyr shit again.
From things like: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/497023-newbie-student-mafia-xvii-fullmetal-edition?page=38#741
And his tone when talking to FF I think he is more likely to flip town than mafia...
I am still not a fan and think it might be dangerous for town to keep him around for to long, since he is kinda a wildcard. But as town I should lynch mafia... so prolly unvoting.

Scott
When looking at his filter my brain says he is maffay. I look at the dick move analysis and my gut says he is town. I am probably too nice. That being said I think he actually has a higher chance of being maffay than MoosyDoosy. Which makes me kinda said.

Looking at scotts filter again and try to see what geript is seeing.

On November 17 2015 15:40 geript wrote:
@Farah. You're Damdred's wife right? If so, how would he read you this game if he were playing?

On November 18 2015 02:45 FarahBlackwing wrote:


I am pretty confident that he would be able to read me as town as he is quite familiar with how I reason things out from having little to no information, rather than coming from a place of perfect knowledge.

On November 18 2015 04:21 Trfel wrote:
Wait, what the heck?

This push onto Breshke is so mafia-motivated. I don't trust geript at all here.

Look at scott31337's townread of geript. He just says that geript is a top town.

Notice that he repeatedly says "Trfel could be scum or he could be town" in response to me solving the game and pushing my ideas.

He never describes any difference between me and geript, just uses the fact that I had one good game as scum to avoid townreading me. But geript is better than me at mafia, by far, and scott31337 knows this. It's impossible for him not to know that geript is extremely skilled as mafia.

So now geript comes up with this push out of nowhere to prevent scott31337 from being lynched?

I don't like this one bit.

On November 18 2015 02:24 geript wrote:
A few things.
Moosey 5.5/7--I think Moosy might be town. It's kinda impossible to tell, but I liked his Farah read. I don't think the read is good, but Moosy tends (as town) to be staunch on some really out there read that no one else sees. Yes, he does the same thing as scum. Yes, IMO he'll do anything he'd do as town as scum including acting like an ass. I don't have a super strong read on him that I can make a town case on him, but I feel about as strong about the read on him as I did in the last game (where I was tracker and was trying to decouple him and scumdred). The thing that really makes me think he's town isn't just his outburst around the Farah thing; more importantly it's how he comes back to it later on. The bounce back on was really, really towny I think. It's this, "I want to fuck people over and I don't want to fuck people over" dissonance that I don't think he can really fake as mafia.

Scott 4.5/7--He's still null-ish. This seems kinda funny, but I don't really get the sense that anyone is trying to shield or direct votes towards him. Trfel iirc was the first to sorta toss a vote his way and it didn't seem bussy for cred or protecty for Moosy. It feels a bit TvT on the lynch and his catching up post about ~p30 (or around that area) kinda had similar thoughts to where I thought I was when I was catching up.

Shining 5.5/7--I could be wrong on him; it's not just the fact that he's quoting in every post or thereabouts. He's no over explainy which he does as mafia. He's not really disconnected from the thread. He's had a good thought or two. Meta fits which is enough for now.

##Vote: Breshke--Breshke has 2 posts that I semi-like. The problem being that they say things that are easy to say and don't really add anything. The problem that I have with Breshke is that when he's town his posts bounce off the thread and interact with the thread. By this, I don't mean Breshke asks things to people and stuff. Rather, he'll see a thought or something in the thread that spurns a new thought, a new direction. It's as if he reads something and it gets put together with something else to form something slightly old mixed with something new. There's also the fact that in general, he's asking far more isolated questions of people than I remember him doing; especially when he drops them as if he doesn't care about them.

On November 18 2015 04:37 disformation wrote:


Yes that is right. What gives me a bit of pause is the cousin with MS thing...
By dick move analysis I think scott would not fake this. So he might have genuinely had no time? At least my gut feeling is telling me so. Brain says his filter is... uh... bad.

On November 18 2015 07:49 MoosyDoosy wrote:

who? me?

On November 18 2015 04:21 Trfel wrote:
Wait, what the heck?

This push onto Breshke is so mafia-motivated. I don't trust geript at all here.

Look at scott31337's townread of geript. He just says that geript is a top town.

Notice that he repeatedly says "Trfel could be scum or he could be town" in response to me solving the game and pushing my ideas.

He never describes any difference between me and geript, just uses the fact that I had one good game as scum to avoid townreading me. But geript is better than me at mafia, by far, and scott31337 knows this. It's impossible for him not to know that geript is extremely skilled as mafia.

So now geript comes up with this push out of nowhere to prevent scott31337 from being lynched?

I don't like this one bit.

On November 18 2015 04:23 Trfel wrote:
Look at geript's read on scott31337. It's all association, there is no response to the actual case on him. Geript is avoiding defending scott31337's play, because he knows that it can't be done.

On November 18 2015 00:55 Trfel wrote:
##vote scott31337

I won't be able to catch up by the deadline. But scott31337 hasn't shown critical thinking, and his activity has been pretty awful. This post shows a lack of critical thinking in particular, he's trying to say stuff, trying to make an argument, but all he really says is that MoosyDoosy is town because he's town, and because he did the same thing last game as town (which obviously does not make him town).

Scott31337 still hasn't taken a stance on me, despite saying that he would many hours ago. Given the lack of original reads and thinking in his posts, I find him getting so upset at MoosyDoosy's play difficult to believe.

On November 18 2015 04:24 ritoky wrote:
i think you're town, but w/o reading i don't really have reason to think breshke is mafia outside of not TRing him...where is the reasons?

On November 18 2015 04:29 Trfel wrote:
Like, just look at the way that scott31337 treats me and geript differently.

That does not come from town.

He doesn't even address the argument that I brought up against VisceraEyes, he just says that he needs to figure out my alignment. He doesn't even seem to consider my argument important to determining my alignment, he doesn't talk about it at all.

He has actually done zero this game. Zero.

On November 18 2015 04:42 Trfel wrote:
There is clearly a direction in Breshke's filter, and there are also some very insightful comments. The latter is the huge part of Breshke's town play, and it's very present this game.

Looking through Breshke's filter, here's his direction:

Early question to Eversince, ends in town lean
Townread on The Shining
Town lean on geript and ritoky
Scum read on MoosyDoosy
Investigating VisceraEyes
Willing to lynch MoosyDoosy, Fecalfeast, and scott31337, still trying to figure out VisceraEyes
Votes for MoosyDoosy

The interesting thing here is that he's actually engaging with his scumreads and trying to get more information. He questioned VisceraEyes with a very sensible progression. His reads make sense and his pushes all have a followup.

On November 24 2015 06:32 Tictock wrote:
Couple other things.

Moosy's play D1 was god awful, as was his shot. He did try to swap to Farah but his "last min" switch actually happened an hour after deadline.... oops.

Seriously though Moosy, do us all a favor and learn a different way to react to being scum read. Martyring is never going to win people over, and is actively playing against your win con. I did give thought to Mod killing you if you kept it up. Also voting for yourself when you knew it was against the rules (and therefor making me edit the votes that much more)... for shame

Farah, overall you played quite well. I can understand the frustrations you had, but honestly I think you just would need to learn to not take things personally or so seriously in game. Clearly anyone who is scum reading you is an idiot and should not be listened too.... problem solved! If you just can't seem to find the fun in these games then that's one thing, but if it just an issue with getting frustrated with other people, well maybe it's an opportunity to learn how to deal with that better.

Scott also played fairly well the little that he did D1. Someday people will learn to not read you based on your activity... and on that day you'll prob roll mafia and ruin it.

Geript prob town hero for getting 2/3 of the team D1. Damdred more or less carried town when he entered the game.

Rit played a pretty good scumgame all said and done, sorry I ruined it for ya.