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I might be suffering from Mafia withdrawal. | ||
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Unfortunately for me this is starting to feel like I will in fact roll scum. Ohnoezzz I will def CC doc if I do | ||
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I'm a rebel | ||
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Actually all the entrances so far suck. No TRs, town Y u make this so hard? | ||
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On November 16 2015 05:33 VisceraEyes wrote: I actually like this a lot. ##Vote: Farahblackwing What about it do you like? I see a short meta read based off of one newbie game, from a newbie. I wouldn't be nearly this confident in meta reading someone after just one game. And how do you know its even accurate? Did you check the last game or are you just blindly trusting to get on a wagon here? | ||
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On November 16 2015 05:37 VisceraEyes wrote: Like statistically speaking you could just close your eyes and point at a townie, so the fact that you can't trust ANYONE with so many having posted is a huge red flag for me. I'm here to find scum, not town. Answer my question  | ||
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Farrah why do you think the game is boring less than an hour after it started? That feels pretty ñonsensical. Things have to happen for it to be exciting, or boring. Deciding its boring on the 3rd post of the game is pretty weird. | ||
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On November 16 2015 05:42 VisceraEyes wrote: I don't care if it's accurate - if they're mafia and lying someone will come in and say "Hey that's a lie" and I'll reevaluate then. At this point I'm taking the short meta read at face value, assuming it's true and taking the attempt as a townie attempt to find mafia - one that has possibly borne fruit. So no, I'm not just "blindly" jumping on a wagon. I like this particular wagon for the reasons given and I like the person who started it, as indicated in my post. So in other words, you're being lazy and following the word of someone that you've never played with before about someone youve never played with before. Got it. Now if I go and say that I have a meta read on Eversince because as scum last game she just enters the thread and finds the scummiest looking thing she can and just hammers it into oblivion, which I think she could be doing here, what would you make of that? I want to see more than a short meta read on one person and no talk of other players before I even remotely believe she is town. | ||
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On November 16 2015 05:45 VisceraEyes wrote: And AS I said, it wasn't a random snap vote. It's a vote placed with reason. You may or may not agree with the reason, that's your prerogative and should affect whether or not you place your vote. Not mine. <3 Yep and I tend to flesh out my reads before I sheep a 1-game metaread. That's why I'm questioning both. But you not questioning either just felt really off to me. | ||
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On November 16 2015 05:50 FarahBlackwing wrote: Nobody had tried to talk yet made anything interesting, entrances were boring so I did something different What entrances were boring? You were the 3rd post. And of all things to enter with, you picked on something that I mentioned about myself pregame. That statistically I roll town a LOT. But each game is rngd and different so why is it any more likely for me to roll scum this game instead of town? It's bad logic, unless you were just looking for reactions. | ||
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On November 16 2015 05:50 VisceraEyes wrote: You're getting awfully anxious about me trusting someone so early Shining, I have to say it looks really scummy to me. Why are you so against me having a townread on someone and a scumread on someone else? I'm not against it. I'm trying to figure out HOW you got to those reads because you seem to have done so in record time with reasons I dont agree with. So I'm interested in how you got there. | ||
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On November 16 2015 05:52 geript wrote: I don't like Shining. He feels really different; not because he's posting a bit more than I remember him. His posting just seems off and not pointed to me. You're just mad that my first scum win was against you while I was super lurky. It's OK, I understand. Please explain what you mean by not pointed? I'm asking questions to flesh out my reads, since nothing else is happening for me to read/react on. Also, since you bring up my posting frequency, you should know that my activity depends heavily on what day of the week it is and how busy work is. I almost never have time to play on Monday/Tuesday and today is Sunday so I want to get the most out of my playing time today. | ||
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And VE you claim a lot of people posted already so here's a list for you. Scott, Moosy, Breshke, nocturne, ritoky, Trfel. Half the game still hasn't shown up so saying "so many" have posted and i should have townreads is just discrediting me and my playstyle. And fecal has made useless posts. Disformation asked a pointless question about FF just waking up, as if its alignment indicative and a joke vote proposal on voting Scott. These things are early enough for me to find them null until I see what they actually do. | ||
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On November 16 2015 06:02 Eversince wrote: I came into thread picking at Kelsier for the argument between him and Moosy. Since I was mafia that game, I knew both where town, but what else to pick at? They had filled several pages of the game with useless rambling. How can you even say I hammered it into the ground? I dropped my Kelsier read in the following night phase. I only held on to Moosy because his lack of content provided an excuse to my mafia self to chase after. I did play with Farah last game. You basically posted nothing for 80% of the game. She had an irreversible town read on you from early D1. So much so, I wish you HAD been mafia that game. Because if it had been you and not Vonthin, mafia would have easily won that game by killing Rels, and leaving you, Farah, and GB alive for lylo. Because Farah would not have voted you from D1 that game. I mentioned as much in QT about night kills because if Vonthin was left with Farah/Shining he would loss because neither would vote the other over him. Other than that point, I see nothing wrong with he's done other than ploy at a sarcastical comment I made an hour into this game. Which you point that he hasn't a need to make it. That's true. But don't try to say that I'm playin' my mafia meta because I poke fun early into the game. Then you disappeared and came back into the thread and tried to pick on me for "posting nothing" when I was actually posting and playing when I was around. I also singlehandedly won that game in triple lylo, thanks for reminding me. But I was referring to you trying to hammer me and Farrah into the ground for her TR on me. And you were scum with perfect information so that second paragraph is kinda pointless to read into. All I'll say is you're faulting someone for having a good way of correctly reading me. If you're town this time around, you have to accept that some people are going to be adamant about their reads on either alignment. Being wishy washy just makes you look scummy. That being said, this post is much more townie than the last one. So you have a meta read on Farrah. What are your thoughts on Viscera and his sheeping you? | ||
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On November 16 2015 06:11 Eversince wrote: 4 minutes ago. How am I gone again? Also yeh, I will be vacant most of the following day. I said in pre-game I hurt myself badly. I had a surgery last night, another one in about 3 and a half hours, and a third after that, whenever I show stable again. Sorry the doctors won't pump me full of so much anesthesia, while inflicting massive amounts of trauma, to kill me to do it all at once. Fishy. Meh feel better then. I also wrote that post before I saw your post responding to me so its pretty much moot now. The Farrah vote post was the most recent post in your filter when I posted. | ||
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On November 16 2015 06:14 The Shining wrote: Meh feel better then. I also wrote that post before I saw your post responding to me so its pretty much moot now. The Farrah vote post was the most recent post in your filter when I posted. And I'll admit that sounded super insincere. Sorry, got a little too into the game. Really do wish you a speedy recovery, and good luck on the surgery. | ||
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On November 16 2015 06:19 geript wrote: Also if trfel hasn't said at least 1 smart thing by tomorrow we kill him. I like this. Trfels entrance was a one liner asking you to explain your read. And the posts are worryingly short. Is this the same Trfel that likes to post crazy WoT to start games and do stuff to get conversation and reads going? Because that is the town Trfel I know and this isn't him. | ||
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On November 16 2015 06:21 Eversince wrote: I mentioned in my earlier post, Viscera is null. He sheeped a random vote I made an hour into this game. If he does squat else followin', I'll take issue. Right now I've already mentioned that, while currently not useful, his post don't seem to push him either way. I haven't,and won't until I get a much better base on people, use meta. I do assume that a WHOLE BUNCH of people do. I've read a number of games on this site. I don't understand everything, but under the assumption that I found him in a few old games on the Team Liquid database, he is one who uses meta. On those standards, he's not done anything to make him tilt scales. Time will tell... But your scumread on Farrah is a metaread?? You said her gameplay here was a 180 from her gameplay last game, which meant 180 in alignment. Correct me if I'm wrong but that's a clear meta read. So how could you say you haven't and won't use meta? | ||
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On November 16 2015 06:24 Eversince wrote: Also, how was my second paragraph irrelevant. Just be realistic, assume I wasn't entirely feeding the pigeons corn, and understand I was tryin' to appear townish that game. So I was picking at things that I would find questionable as town. You didn't have much of anything until D3? to justify her read on you. Why the 180 now? Because it was a lot of info and talk about a past game, which has no meaning in this game. Unless you're using it to try and meta her now. Are you? | ||
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On November 16 2015 06:28 Eversince wrote: I also mentioned that was a satircal statement. Which you pointed to VE leaning mafia over sheeping my vote. It was an hour into the game, you really think I'm convinced over like 1 or 2 post in a game that's been going over to confirm someone as mafia or not? Your vote is still on her and you're still talking about the 180 in gameplay so I'm not exactly sure how convinced you are. | ||
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On November 16 2015 06:34 Eversince wrote: And? I don't have to unvote to change my vote in this game. As stated by the host. Why should I bother it when I have another 30 somethin' hours to bother with it? I'll develop my reads, and vote accordingly. Right now you seem to be tryin' to find everything I'm doing as suspicious, and that is suspicious to me. No, I'm trying to figure out how you can say you're not using meta after metareading Farrah. I'm also trying to figure out how you can discredit my questioning towards you by asking me if I think you're really that convinced over a post that early in the game, when your vote is on her and you're still talking about the points that would make her scum. Your actions and posts make it look like you're convinced, but then you're questioning if I could possibly think you're THAT convinced? Which one is it? Your actions don't line up with you trying to make it look like its only a slight suspicion. I'm not finding everything you do suspicious. Just the suspicious things | ||
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Just glancing at votes, not sure of the cases behind them, but if its true from the last few posts that this thread is dead so close to deadline, I'm thinking Moosy is town and Breshke could be, too. Has anyone really defended them? Feels like scum doesn't care who is lynched right now since there's no defending or pushing in the last page or so. I do find it interesting though that ES vote is still on Farrah. Did she ever explain why its still there? Last time we spoke she said it was "satire" and claimed it wasn't a serious vote and that she wasnt required to change the vote, even though apparently she didn't think she was that sold on Farrah being scum. But her vote is still there. Prob gonna check her filter and see if she came back again. So much to catch up on, bare with me >_< | ||
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I wish VE was here because skimming through his filter, I still have my doubts about him over the early ES/Farrah stuff but some of his posts I cant find mafia motivation for so I want his thoughts on how EoD is shaping up. I kind of dont wanna lynch Scott just because of past games. Like I don't really like any of his posts, but I've felt that way before because of his activity and seemingly unexplained posts and reads, especially on D1, and he flipped town more than once. Maybe I'm just scared here. But off this game alone, he's on the scum side of null. It doesn't really feel like he's trying to figure out the game, I agree, but I'm not in much position to judge activity wise. Eversince is not here and still voting Farah. I really don't like it but what can I do when there's a medical excuse involved? And maybe I was nitpicking on her Farrah read, whatever, but I was under the impression a metaread is a read based on how someone played in a past game/games, which is what she did. But I'm not gonna beat a dead horse. Moosy martyring is horribad and he did in fact do this last game but he isn't voting. That's a modkill risk, anyway. I just hope to god if he is town he actually starts playing if he isn't lynched or modkilled here because if we have to carry that into D2 and I end up in triple lylo again, I'm blaming him. Farrah feels town, but not as lock town as I had her last game. The last few posts make me feel better about her, even with the switching back and forth on votes. I don't think scum is going to do that unless one is in fact her scum mate but she wants to apparently lynch both so idk. I honestly don't know what Fecal's done but he was lazy this early last game and ended up helping me figure out the game so idk about him. Null with a slight possibility of lazy town. Trfel has gotten a lot better since my initial suspicion on him, even though a lot of it recently seems to be centered on Scott. Disfo's waffliness seems to be off, although I can kind of understand his hesitance on me since he TRd me at first but had nothing to go off on me since I disappeared until now. But he's voting Scott now so idk if it's scum possibly bussing if Scott is scum or if Scott is really gonna flip town D1 again after this. TLDR I'd lynch Scott, ES, maybe disfo or ff but I'm really iffy on the last 2. ##Vote:Scott31337 Again this was super rushed and I know I have a lot of nulls/town leans but I had a lot to read in a little bit of time so I mostly skimmed filters. I'll be able to do a lot more this night phase and at work tomorrow if I get the chance | ||
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Also looking at the EoN post and the OP, I kinda have a speculation here. Geripts body went missing. The vigs role description is Rroy Mustang, burns up a guy. VEs body was found. Am I wrong for thinking scum just told us the setup? I think geript was the vig shot(body disappeared cuz it was burned up) and VE was townread but not by all and inactive towards end of day. Maybe a medic dodge? Should I even be speculating on this? Lol | ||
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On November 19 2015 05:31 NocturneMage wrote: Shining it says flavour is for fun. In any case, its possible scum could have tried to blue hunt and VE the kill but who knows. That's why I asked if it was even worth me looking into. Regardless if Vig claims and claims who he shot, its moot...unless I'm right. Also if NKs are going by the same structure, the n2 NK would be typed up the same as n1 NK and we'd know which was the vig shot. But that's useless right now. It was just something I found interesting. | ||
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On November 18 2015 15:19 ritoky wrote: also when's the statute of limitations on being a dick to ever for not being here/doing anything? i mean i know the situation... On November 18 2015 15:53 ritoky wrote: i just really don't like shining this game and i am kinda sad my push on him went nowhere....i think his post before the deadline is particularly dumpster. - 3 obvious reads geript, me, nm -> town i think pretty much every single person in the game knows this so it's really easy to make and i find them overexplained - i doubt VE, but maybe town, but want his thoughts, but hid this in a giant post so he will never notice it, but haven't tried to ping him or talked about his activity dropoff. poop read - "i don't want to lynch scott, but vote scott cuz stuff" could very well be the old classic TMI "he look guys i was hesitating so don't blame me fully" bit. - hey everybody i am still scum reading the only person in the thread who cannot rebut me. notice me senpai a bit - moosy is the other wagon and he did anti-town stuff but let me vote the guy i have reservations about. - the posts he likes about farrah are the ones i hate - scott not trying to solve the game -> scum lean; ff not trying to solve the game -> town lean; SENSE - trfel has been going hard on 1 of your 3 town reads....and that's an improvement? this needs sum splaining - trying to play switzerland on disfo i mean at the end of that i basically learned that everything read he gave is full over indecision and caveats. like he doesn't believe anything strongly except that ever who is perpetual afk atm is mafia for some reason that no one in the game seems to understand except him. like why does anyone TR this guy? These are half an hr apart. I'm not sure I like ritoky anymore. He mentions Ever not being around, not doing anything and wondering when he can start being a dick to her. And half an hour later he picks apart my admittedly ehhh EoD post but the last line is just. No. I don't want to self meta but I never believe anything strongly d1, d1 is the worst day for me, especially when it starts on a Sunday and I'm limited on time through most of it. But how can you question my scumread on Ever right after bringing up her uselessness and doing nothing and not being here? It doesn't add up. He also claims Farrah was bad for having regret on the Scott town lynch and claims he tried to get a switch. This is not true. He voted Scott 3 mins before EoD and voted Moosy literally on the hour at EoD yelling OGOD TOWN FEELS. This was WAY too late to get any shenanny done, it looks like he just wanted off the Scott wagon once he realized it was going through. As far as explaining his points vs my posts, he includes himself in the obvious townread pile. Geript flipped VT and I still think NM is towny af. I'm known for being wrong so if I'm wrong on any here its ritoky. And I don't understand how maybe 2 lines each explaining my read on geript, nm, ritoky is over explained. I didn't post an entire town case like he did on VE. VE also flipped town. It's bull to pick on my VE read there because I wanted VE to be there to talk to while I was there EoD. But he wasn't, which is why I said I wished he was around. So that is mentioning the activity dropoff. And sure it was a giant post but outside of the initial hard townreads, I left spaces in between every read. It's not that hard to find your name if you're actually town and reading. Scott? W.e I lynched him, I lynched town, sorry but I'm not gonna go too much into this. I took a chance, it didn't pay out, I was thinking Moosy could be town, I'm not gonna defend it anymore than that. Eversince yup because like you said useless and not around. The excuse can only go so far, especially since ritoky himself said he hates excuses. I'm sorry if I'm being a bit of a dick towards ES for that but with a wasted vote, no reads, no idea if she even knows or cares what's going on, it could very well be scum with no motivation becuz of irl stuff. Town Moosy did this last game. I had reservations. Not gonna re explain this either. I like the Farrah posts he hates. OK? I'm becoming suspicious of ritoky so I actually like that we don't share that read. Scott not trying to solve the game is strange because Scott likes to solve the game. Ya scumlean. FF was lazy af and didn't really do anything last game until d2 or 3. He was town. So ya town lean. Simple eh? Town Trfel is kinda like me, gets better as the game goes on if he's town. I want to reread him before I give a definite read on him because he posted a lot after my last post but its just as important to see HOW he was going at one of my townreads, not just that he was going at my townread. Scott flipped town. So now I'm more suspicious of disfo. The Switzerland bit is pretty funny tho. | ||
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On November 19 2015 05:48 disformation wrote: Kinda had the same problem, which is why I tried to switch to Breskhe, but ended up switching back to scott anyway. So fair enough I guess.^^ Yeah actually because of this post I'm going to filter dive disfo and hopefully find some time to check his past games, too. Like, I suspected you. I said I still have suspicions of you. Are you normally this nice and agreeable with people that think you're scum? It's a scum trait, IMO, to try to appease thread sentiment and avoid conflict. Why aren't you curious what exactly I'm suspicious about RE: you so you can explain it? And you started hedging your read on me because of my lack of activity and wanting to see reads from me. I just dropped a big post in response to ritoky. I think I've done enough to be read one way or the other so are ya gonna waffle on me again? | ||
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On November 19 2015 06:10 MoosyDoosy wrote: @TheShining, make less huge posts and give me your top Mafia and top town with explanations please. Are you seriously trying to go from BM martyr d1 to trying to lead town and the lynch d2? | ||
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On November 19 2015 06:18 Breshke wrote: Moosey is a dirtbag but his posts were nice have you taken a look do you disagree? If you read my last few posts I've already mentioned Moosy and his recent posting a few times making him look better, which is why I don't regret voting Scott over Moosy. But this is a huge shift in tone from martyring to actually trying and lead everyone and everything on d2 after narrowly avoiding a lynch d1. Like it could also come from scum feeling the fire under his ass and trying to reverse that now that geript is gone. I can't fully discount that at this point. | ||
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On November 19 2015 06:21 MoosyDoosy wrote: I can go back to BM martyr if you wish but the fact that you guys held up with my BS means I have to at least try. Now go read my Farah case and get back to me please. Indeed I don't and I tried to tie it into our last game and I appreciate the trying but it wouldve been nice to see it done from the get go, like that one game you went hard on d1 on me. So do you want my top scum/town with explanations first or review on your Farrah case? Or are you just trying to overload me with tasks so when I miss one, you can scum me for it? :3 I'll do both, just need some time to actually read | ||
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On November 19 2015 06:28 Breshke wrote: Fire under his ass from what though? Wasn't Geript town reading moosey I don't understand how him being dead affects the situation. It is plausible that what you are saying is right and that after his wagon was so close on D1 he felt the need to lift his game but I genuinly think his pushes are in the right direction. (although thinking about this now taking in what he did in his last mafia game it isn't out of his playbook to bus here). I think this is a good thing to keep in mind but he is solidly town in my books still. I'll explain this more when our Vig claims and says who he shot but if geript was shot by scum, not Vig, it would basically immortalize his TR on Moosy without him ever revisiting it because he's dead. He was 99% sure Moosy was scum before be flipped on him when he started trying. But the fire under his ass part, you're right about. I was referring to him having to step up his game because of the close wagon. Like the change in tone could come from either alignment. Town wanting to try hard after being given a second chance or scum wanting to try hard after narrowly avoiding a lynch. You're asking a lot of questions, wondering what you're gaining from the responses and conclusions? And if you think Moosy is pushing in the right directions, does that mean you think Farrah and disfo are scum? | ||
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I mean this was a few posts up on the same page. Are you reading and thinking or just asking questions for the sake of looking active? | ||
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On November 19 2015 06:51 Breshke wrote: This is actually really dumb by the way. You're saying I Saw farahs post explaining it and decided to just ask anyway because as scum I would think it makes me look good. I don't follow any logic there. No I'm saying you missed it because you weren't reading and used something she mentioned a few pages ago to try and ask a question that IMO doesn't mean much just to look like you're questioning your scumread. And to answer your last post, about wondering what you're gaining, I'm asking because it isn't in the thread. So you're getting reads from these questions? What are they besides disfo and Farrah scum? Are the other people you questioned town then? Did you find a 3rd scum? These things are what I'm asking about | ||
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On November 19 2015 06:51 NocturneMage wrote: I do not like that post from Farah at all. This is day 2, not mylo. I might be somewhat new here, but from all the games I've obsed, I can think of a few decent reasons for the vig waiting to claim. I can't see any town motivation personally for trying to openly out the vig or any blue role for that matter. The Eversince comment is a bad one because you don't know for sure if she's reading and just choosing not to post for medical/whatever and may have just slipped a PM. Who knows. The ritoky comment is bad in the event someone tinfoiled (is that the right English word) geript and scum went bluehunting on VE, which would implicate a veteran, someone who might know VE's play to take a gander on him. You cannot eliminate that possibility. The ritoky comment is good, IMO, because he hard towned both VE and geript iirc. So why would he vig either of them? And his last post saying vigging either was dumb makes it moot since its pretty obvs he isn't the Vig then | ||
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On November 19 2015 07:02 NocturneMage wrote: wait he hard townread both? interesting, I stand corrected on that then. Ya in his post trashing my EoD post he said him geript and you were all town and "everyone know this" implying a hard townread. He also had geript on a town list before then. But it is interesting that Farrah knows VE was the Vig shot and hard claimed blue. If she were the Vig I don't think she'd be speculating on who the vig is, unless like NM said it was for a gotcha! Cc play. But its too early in the day and risky for it to be a scum play to try and save herself or draw out a blue. Idk I'm confused on this one. | ||
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First point. Right I dont want to but I did anyway cuz I felt it necessary to point out. Yolo. And considering ES was one of the only players I had directly interacted with, it would make sense that she was the read I was most sure of. No I didn't miss that post and I won't go into wifom territory on whether scum ritoky would do that or not. The point I was trying to make is that he himself claimed he tried to get a switch. But he can't really say he did that when that Scott post and his switch were all at the last possible minute. It just looked like he said that to make himself look good. Skipping the fair enough. I agree with you there. But if Moosy is in fact town, then I'm more inclined to think the early voters that never moved are more likely scum than the vote switchers. Like if town is getting lynched regardless, scum has no motivation to move back and forth a bunch of times. So you think Farrah is scum then? I believe someone asked you before to show when and where your null read on her became scum. Can you do that now? What do you think of her blue claim? Yeah I'll get around to Trfel soon. I dislike ritoky for seeing what I see in ES then scumming me and asking why anyone TRs me for it. And misrepresenting himself as someone who tried to get ppl off Scott when there wasn't enough time for that to even happen. And I was finding him suspicious enough to revisit my townread on him. I'm not saying he's a full blown scumread but I do have question marks now. | ||
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On November 19 2015 08:03 ritoky wrote: Just from an advice perspective, being obstinate about something that multiple people clearly didn't understand the first time instead of attempting to re-explain it in a manner they can grasp is not a good way to garner others' trust or rally people to your cause. The part of moosy's case I wanted an explanation from you on was your disformation read progression. What is your read on him? How did you get there? Why? What made you think he was the best lynch then move to breshke? It's kinda funny tho becuz she was this obstinate last game too | ||
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On November 19 2015 08:12 ritoky wrote: what was her alignment? and do you think it is an alignment indicator or a personality thing? Town and this is her 2nd game so idk if meta could rightfully apply here. But it wouldn't surprise me if it does, since I had her as town. Even though I don't really understand the claim this early, I could see it coming from a flustered and frustrated town that's only played 1 game and just shutting down because of it. | ||
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On November 19 2015 08:10 ritoky wrote: it is the denial of a universal TR to town for what i can only assume is a lack of understanding of mechanics or selfish reasons...it is just anti-town to not claim; if you don't understand then your mechanics are not strong enough. I agree here. Bah ritoky is still prob town, I'm just prone to omgus sometimes, I guess I have this funny theory that I was right about geript being the Vig shot and Trfel is the Vig. His dislike of geript would've made him shoot XD that's why he's so adamant about saying there Vig claiming doesn't matter, since he feels no one really suspects him right now. Or I could be totally dead wrong. | ||
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On November 19 2015 08:23 FarahBlackwing wrote: ##unvote ##Vote farahblackwing Lets ride Moosy pt2? | ||
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I still want to lynch ES, waiting another phase/day for mod action is a horrible idea, as ritoky pointed out. I'm also a lot less suspicious of ritoky because I agree with what he says about Fecal not wanting to play or put real effort until he's under pressure from Trfel and in a world where he's scum, with his questioning and interactions, I'm having trouble even seeing a possible team with him. Not sure what to think of Trfel, I don't remember him being this angry or determined to put in effort as scum when he rolled scum with me, think it was Student V. Could be frustrated town, and although he has defended and pushed off of Breshke, it's not like he hasn't done other things, as well. FF is in a weird place for me. Like I said, I agree with ritoky's point about him not putting up a case or trying until he was under suspicion but again, last game I was with him, he didn't do much of anything until D2/D3 so I'm not sure if that's a tell or not. I remember feeling like Breshke was just asking questions to look active and he also missed a post and his response was pretty defensive("haven't you ever missed a post?"). He also said he was looking to get reads as the conclusions from his questions, but he already had disfo and Farrah as scum. Farrah, who is now Damdred, who is un-CCd vet. Disfo who's waffling is questionable at times but from skimming his filter, he looks like he is really putting in effort into this game and without having a scum game to refer it to, I'm hesitant trying to lynch an 8 page filter with actual reasoning and lines of questioning. Idk I guess I'm down to lynching Breshke or ES. Maybe FF? But I'm so paranoid about that, even though Trfel's case was pretty accurate. What bugs me is the conclusion at the end of Trfel's case doesn't outright say "FF is scum." Oh right. NM cased Trfel. But the case felt very heavily based on narrative and leading questions to push, when I feel it should be more based on what Trfel has done to be scum. But I still think NM is town and he's got a team of Trfel/Breshke +1. I feel much better lynching Breshke over Trfel. ##Vote: Breshke I'm going to try to be around at eod tomorrow but it happens literally right when I get to work, so the best I can probably do is phone posting an hour before. And I'm still very much so wanting to lynch ES to get rid of the question mark but I'm not going to waste my vote on her if no one else will. It could very well be that her RL stuff is a lot to handle and she saw her role PM and didn't have the time or state of mind to play as scum. | ||
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So ES is like immortal or something? :o | ||
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On November 21 2015 05:14 disformation wrote: So. The roleblocker is dead. That means they need two shots for our vet. Do you know someone who was maybe trying from preventing that from happening? Lol is this a trick question? Trfel. NM to a lesser extent but he's still town to me. Pretty big Breshke wagon too. Unless ES is scum, I'm inclined to think someone bussed | ||
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Trfel do you still think FF is scum? | ||
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On November 17 2015 20:04 ritoky wrote: my lynch list is pretty much: scott, shining, disform, and maybe breshke? although the moosy thing i guess i wouldn't be opposed to cuz i have no fucking clue and am mostly just praying to the PR. scott - constantly behind, no real legitimate engagement with the game, low amount of content, really strange breshke progression without much explanation behind it mostly just a quote; shown no real desire to find and lynch scum or really form a substantive town circle which means he is just playin on the fringes. shining - hasn't played since i made my points about posting reads out of his ass, not having teeth, and the like; thus my read hasn't changed. also fought with a guy under anesthesia, which makes 0 fucking sense to me...the guy admitted to being heavily medicated...fails the "what have you done for me recently test"...also excuses, hate excuses. disform - click my filter go see my case, it is a complex slightly mafia leaning read. geript pointing out the "post would come back to bite me comment" made me feel he is slightly more mafia cuz i can't really think of why a townie would be considering something like that....like why are you so heavily concerned about shit being used against you if you're town? but he does have that joke about lynching himself which felt like a redeeming quality so i hesitate. breshke? - i don't have a town read. I just clicked on ritokys filter and saw this. That's a lot of sentences for a lot of ppl and a one liner for Breshke becuz he doesn't have a townread? Feels strange. Damdred you said ritoky doesn't look like he have any hard pushes. What do you think about him voting me D1 before switching to Moosy(unCCd Vig now) and basically softing me all game? He said he doesn't understand how people have TRs on me, voted me D1, asks people about me, still has me in his lynch pool up until now, but he has never pushed me. Is this town ritoky actions? Like I swear he says he's been willing to lynch me/thinks I'm scum all game but never does anything about it. | ||
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On November 21 2015 05:28 Damdred wrote: Take a step back look for,the next scum I'll handle the ff angle for a little But then why not lynch GF(useless cuz apparently we don't have cop) or goon if FF is one of those and save their RB for their vet? Damdred or Trfel can answer that, I guess. Is ritoky/FF with breshke plausible here? The early ritoky townread/pass that he gave FF for pretty much nothing could be bad. | ||
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And like I said, if Fecal is scum, he isn't the RB so why not have his team lynch him instead to save the RB? | ||
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And the refusal to evaluate. And his always softing me but no push or outright reasoning for why I'm scum. I want to lynch ritoky. | ||
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Idk Breshke was really pretty much the lock lynch. Trfel not bussing and being adamant about FF is suicide if he's scum because it just looks bad. I also like the point he made about no one doing anything to get off of Breshke and onto FF. Scum didn't try to save Breshke. At all. Unless it's inactive ES and Trfel but I really do think ritoky is scum. And now that disfo pointed that out, that's twice. Ritoky didn't find it weird I was voting with him d1. And he voted with FF d2. I just looked at Breshkes filter, too. It's pretty bare, not too many hints there. One thing I did find interesting is he had little to no interaction with disfo but his 2 scum were Farrah and disfo. I think he may have spewed disfo town. | ||
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He also, like ritoky said in that post, backed off of Damdreds claim. But he seemed really adamant about the Vig not claiming. I can't think of any scum motivation for Trfel to do that. Even though it made sense and helps town to have the Vig claim immediately, it feels more townie than scummy to tell him not to. I'm taking Trfel off my poe. Oh and look. I AM still in ritokys lynchpool. Ritoky and 1 of ES/FF. Damdred and Moosy are blue. I have a really tough time finding mafia motivation in any of NMs posts. I think Breshke spewed disfo town. Trfel likely frustrated angry town. That's what poe leaves me with. | ||
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He also treated me differently. He said he really didn't think I'd flip scum and Moosy was a better lynch. He never looked like he was willing to lynch me until I was inactive. If me and disfo are same alignment, why would he treat us differently when we were under suspicion? Bah | ||
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Ritoky what does that mean? Pretend English isn't my native language. | ||
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And what about the Scott stuff I brought up a while back that others have pinged on as well? And thinking I'm scum/lynchable all game but doing nothing about it? | ||
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And where exactly did you try to lynch me? You voted me, then moved onto Scott then Moosy. But when you swapped off of Scott for Moosy, even though you think I'm scum, you never once found it weird that I voted with you on Scott before you swapped. And you didn't comment much or at all on geripts Breshke case d1. You also tried to get Trfel lynched over Brshke before switching over. So if you're gonna try to get me lynched, you think I bussed Breshke? And during my small time here the night before EoD, me questioning and making Breshke frustrated was what? Orchestrated in QT? My pressuring him and calling him scum and asking about his Farrah and disfo reads have what scum motivation exactly? | ||
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On November 21 2015 08:04 ritoky wrote: i literally tried to lynch you day 1. i am probably going to try and lynch you again tomorrow. what scott stuff? i put him in PoE cuz he was not doing anything town. i tried to lynch you. i came back a half hour before the deadline, people had pushed scott; he was in my PoE so i lynched him over what we now know is vigi. sorry, not sorry. And you also didn't answer what it is you figured out from Damdred calling u Mafia. Unless you're implying the unCCd vet is scum? | ||
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Another question for ritoky. If FF is still in your doodoo pile, and you never dropped your suspicion of him, and even hinted that FF could be bussing Breshke, why did you feel it necessary to say this? QUOTE]On November 20 2015 14:25 ritoky wrote: ##vote: breshke also in support of a shining or ever lynch. might be convinced of an ff lynch.[/QUOTE] Why is it "might be convinced" on someone you've suspected for a long time? Why need convincing at all? And why might? I don't get it. You put an inactive question mark lynch(ES) over someone you've been suspicious of for a while. And when it comes to me, I still don't see what I've done that makes me scum. You just pushed my activity and dropoff. You also are in support of lynching my very first scumread(ES) but you want to lynch me, too? So I was willing to bus d1 and d2? Wat | ||
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On November 21 2015 08:33 ritoky wrote: alright you're just wrong on so many levels here, there's no way you're not scum. 1st you've been wanting to push me for omgus all game and just been waiting to do it but i am town, and everyone has correctly read me town so you just can't. the literal moment anyone suggests it is possible you opportunistically hop on what you've been trying to do all game long. it's a joke, but here's where you're so fucking wrong on every single thing: 1) you did nothing to breshke, that lynch was 0% yours. you were literally completely inactive for 2 days and had 0 thread influence so assuming that you could do anything to influence the lynch is a fallacy. also "you think i bussed breshke?" well you think i did so you're already contradicting yourself; but the answer to this question is yes. a 0 investigative power game? hard bussing a partner is optimal. 2) where did i try to lynch you: oh wait who was that defending your bullshit read early game? oh yeah that was the confirmed mafia you went hard on, but let's stay on track here. remember when you spent the entire game trying to lynch an afk rather than participate? that was fun. and that's me on day 1, heaven forbid the rest of my filter where i perpetually ask every1 all game why they TR or null read you and not a fucking soul ever answers me they just keep saying "town". 3) oh my god you didn't comment on geript's case on breshke; except the part where i called it factually wrong with NM? i stand by that shit too, even if he was mafia geript's case was factually wrong. he said breshke had no constant opinions and asked isolated questions when breshke literally focused on like 3 things all game; it was a right read for the wrong reasons. 4) yup, i tried to lynch trfel cuz he was pushing on an uncc'd blue. i think he isn't a brainless player and that's a brainless play. it makes 0 sense from a town perspective, i also had a read that there was 1 between breshke and trfel since hard aligning is stupid in 0 inv setup. trfel then brought the fire and i moved my vote....before you did.....just sayin. it's okay though dude, you're mafia in a tough spot looking for MLs; but pushing ML on me is always shit, cuz i rain sulfur on kids. Probably the most effort you've put into a post up to this point. Noted. Not fooled though I wanted to push you for being bad and omgus on d1, sure. You picked on NAI shit to try to scum me, which is bad and knowing my alignment, made you bad af to me. I don't see how it's opportunistic tho when during Night 1, I started suspecting you BEFORE ANYONE ELSE DID. So no, you're wrong. Disfo even had to do a point by point response RE: you to make me think I could possibly be wrong. The Breshke lynch was also 0% yours and you left yourself open to 3 other lynches, 2 on inactive at the time(me and ES) so I don't know how that makes me any worse than you. In fact, you tried to get people onto Trfel INSTEAD OF Breshke before giving up and going onto Breshke. So where I had suspicion and ended up voting him, you tried other lynches before going onto him. Breshke defending my townread? Because this isn't his first game with me, dude probably didn't want to poke the bear because I'm a completely different player as town when scum tries to say I'm scum for some horrible BS reasons, like you did d1. Remember that Trfel, Farrah, disfo, NM all picked up on some town vibes from me D1 so are they all scum for it becuz Breshke is? Lol no. Remember when you decided you were okay with lynching the same afk that I've had a hard on for all game? I do. Pretty fun, too. Why the hell would you be OK with lynching my first scumread if you think I'm scum. Bad bad bad. And if everyone kept defending me, maybe you should've actually tried to case me and give reasons why you think I'm scum instead of just defaulting to my activity, which is completely NAI for me. I said YOU DIDNT COMMENT MUCH. Reading comprehension. I'm glad you could find exactly 2 posts with as many sentences to explain your discussion on a case. I also questioned where Breshkes limited questioning was going in thread because it felt like nowhere and I was right. The dude afkd the thread after talking to me. And geripts case IMO was more right than wrong, even more so after D1 but no one revisited it until later. With Trfel, its also a stubborn play and suicidal af so I doubt scumTrfel would ever do such a thing. But you scummed him for it and had to be talked down from it. I also didn't have to move my vote, it was placed squarely on Breshke who I was suspicious of for a while. Congrats on doing so before me, it doesn't make you town. You can try to rain sulfur on me all you want, mate, I'm not scum and therefore acid proof. I love how in that big ass post of yours re: me, though, you spent more time explaining what you did and why you did it as opposed to why I'm scum. | ||
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On November 21 2015 08:45 ritoky wrote: yes, let me admit what i might have found that damdred soul reads me for so i can't use it to manipulate him in any future games. dumb. "Yes, let me mention Damdreds soul read on me without refuting it and making no conclusions and saying nothing helpful regarding it or the current game.". If it had nothing to do with how you currently read Damdred, or this game, why even mention it? | ||
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On November 21 2015 08:47 Fecalfeast wrote: I just want ever's replacement to come in like "Hey guys I'm a vig with no bullets who'd I shoot?" so we can kill moose and not feel bad about it Or they don't find a replacement and she gets modkilled after this phase and flips scum so we can all be happy. | ||
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On November 21 2015 09:02 ritoky wrote: re: this clearly you've never been in a game with both damdred and i before. the fact that this was the first mention of a soul read is nearly a miracle. re: the rest of your stuff, i didn't really read it i saw something about "you spent more time defending yourself". duh, the post said "here's why you're wrong" not "here's why you're mafia". "here's why you're mafia" post is coming next after i calm down and make sure i am seeing clearly rather than breathing hot fiyah. Nope. If I recall correctly, we've only played one other game together and Damdred wasn't there. And you wanted to lynch me for shit reasons. I thought you were scum. We were both town. You just can't read me for shit, apparently. Annnddd Damdred just replaced yesterday. So how is it a miracle that it was the first mention of it? And actually it wasn't, I'm pretty sure disfo and maybe someone else asked Damdred specifically about whether he had his soulread on you. I guess you missed that during your dropoff. | ||
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But ignoring the rest of the post when I actually brought up things about you that I feel make no sense/make you scum(like your willingness to lynch my first scumread) gives me 0 warm fuzzies about you | ||
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Damdred hasnt been here from the start, he replaced in. Why would you think he'd read you the same as a game you both started in from the beginning? | ||
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On November 21 2015 09:14 ritoky wrote: i was considering lynching ever because of procedural reasons: 1) don't play around mod actions, mods don't always follow their own rules, and people (like i have in the past) abuse aspects of the rules for advantages. 2) taking a coinflip to mylo is always terrible from a pure gameplay perspective. i can explain it to you if you don't understand, but essentially if you're willing to take a coinflip to mylo you're committing to never lynching them all game. procedural lynching is much different than scum reading someone on anesthesia. 1) I agreed with you on this at the time but I also alrdy wanted to lynch her so w.e 2) again I agreed. But even though you never once thought I was town, you were still OK lynching her even though I wanted to. Instead of me. As far as I can tell from your Breshke vote post, you had us on equal footing. I don't understand why, if she's procedural but I'm an actual scumread. So what, she can't be scum because she was on anaesthesia and explained a scumread that SHE called satire? After attacking a metaread while making a metaread on Farrah? And claimed her medical condition would give her MORE time to play but completely afkd the thread days ago? K | ||
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On November 21 2015 09:18 ritoky wrote: it's okay i think i might go shave to calm myself. shooting ever is always the correct play, but i am in a mood right now so i would shoot NM cuz yolo tinfoil. I meant to ask about that before we started our back and forth. Why is NM the tinfoil? Any reason in particular or gut feeling? Feel free to disregard because you think I'm scum but I'm not and this could help my read on you | ||
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On November 21 2015 09:19 ritoky wrote: because he has subbed into games and done it before and i have subbed into games where he instantly read me before, we have played a lot together. I could ask you for games as proof but you probably don't even wanna work with me anymore XD Damdred, confirm/deny? | ||
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On November 21 2015 09:18 ritoky wrote: it's okay i think i might go shave to calm myself. shooting ever is always the correct play, but i am in a mood right now so i would shoot NM cuz yolo tinfoil. Actually wait. Why wouldn't you shoot FF? He's still in your doodoo pile, you still think he's scum? | ||
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On November 21 2015 09:26 Fecalfeast wrote: shining, if I handed you a gun to use on any player in this game, would you use it? frick everyone can answer that one, why not? I'd blast eversince as I'm not sure the replacement is going to make this game any easier Most definitely. Eversince to get rid of the question mark and I've wanted to lynch her since d1. For my scumread and also the fact that I had a feeling with the early excuse and medical condition, town would end up getting fucked like this, regardless of her alignment. If I can't shoot ES, ritoky just so I can get closure on whether my scumread is right, if I'm being honest | ||
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On November 21 2015 09:46 Fecalfeast wrote: No additional input on ritoky vs shining? Beat me to it. | ||
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Damdred asked disformation to explain his read progression on ritoky. He basically goes from town, to town, to worried about his drop in activity, to town. Similar with me, except for me he had a lot more worries and wanted to see me town up the thread.. I was also on his poe, but the most town out of the 4 he had there. Then I start suspecting ritoky. Now we have disfos posts RE: ritoky: On November 21 2015 02:37 disformation wrote: I am kinda worried I missed something and someone is screwing town hard. But who? NM and ritoky are very town to me. Your reasoning just now makes me also think you are very town, on top of being uncc. MD is also uncc and constantly pushing ppl he thinks are scum, although I feel his reads do not change much and he fell of D2. My role PM tells me I am a VT. I just excluded Trfel from my PoE cause his play makes a lot less sense as scum. So unless Eversince is a PR and either MD or you took a HUGE risk in fake claiming there are like no options left. I also think out of those 4 The Shining is the most town and am still willing to give him a day to town up the thread. I think I called ritoky town all game, since he gave me no reason to do so otherwise. Give me a moment to write up the progressions though. Ritoky is very town. I "think" I called ritoky town all game. Shouldn't he know how he is reading ritoky? + Show Spoiler + On November 21 2015 03:21 disformation wrote: Edited some stuff out, to make this more readable. I add a link to the original post for those I edited. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/497023-newbie-student-mafia-xvii-fullmetal-edition?page=18#359: ritoky: town for tone and how he was approaching/interacting with the thread. the trfel read is explained in more detail here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/497023-newbie-student-mafia-xvii-fullmetal-edition?page=22#433 So I find the timing and the motivation of Trfel's post odd, but as always fail to come to a solid conclusion on Trfel. rit town read and despite not reaching a conclusion on Trfel earlier he shows up in the list of ppl that I dislike. A bunch of ppl rightfully complain about this and I try to explain: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/497023-newbie-student-mafia-xvii-fullmetal-edition?page=32#626 So what I wanted to say: I don't have a solid scum read on him, but he shows up in my PoE since I also don't TR him and have suspicious as I indicated earlier. rit: town. trfel: no idea where his reads are at: no like still suspicious. Did a filter dive on Trfel and decide that his pursuit of VE is rather town than scum. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/497023-newbie-student-mafia-xvii-fullmetal-edition?page=45#890 That is when I was greatly confused by the geript/scott association thing Trfel posted. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/497023-newbie-student-mafia-xvii-fullmetal-edition?page=60#1187 I later expand on this post: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/497023-newbie-student-mafia-xvii-fullmetal-edition?page=62#1222 So in summary: I think ritoky is pretty towny this game, but that is a pretty tonal read. Maybe I should be more careful with that, but I haven't seen anything to call him scum for. Trfel I have a hard time reading, since I can't wrap my head around a bunch of his cases, like the defense on Breskhe and the geript/scott thing. If you have more questions, please shoot.  Spoiler contains his read progression. He concludes ritoky is town, though it is mostly a tonal read. But he hasn't seen anything to call him scum for. Assuming he really put in all that work to explain ritokys read progression, he should have been familiar with some of the things ritoky has done. But these things in particular doesn't come up until after ritoky becomes a suspect: On November 21 2015 05:52 disformation wrote: So I suggest looking at the reasons for voting again. Oh wait... didn't FF do a good post on Breshke and ritoky was super suspicious of FF? But then rit did vote together with FF? On November 21 2015 05:58 disformation wrote: Why is he voting Breshke together with FF who he suspects and kinda wants to lynch, too? And why is he suggesting to lynch two ppl who are very afk at that time? This flipflop feels way too easily done, considering it was me suspecting ritoky(I'm not a townread to disfo) and Damdred(based off of a soulread, disfo is now paranoid. Paranoid enough to now want to lynch ritoky?) | ||
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On November 21 2015 10:09 ritoky wrote: yo shining, imagine a world i am town (like i did earlier w/ you and cuz it is the real world) what 3 lynches win the game? I just started imagining this world after the disfo stuff I just posted. Disfo, Onegu(this damn question mark), NM. NM is a gut feeling and wouldn't ever go before the other 2. Fecal could also replace NM but I'm really liking him lately. Or maybe Trfel? But after the Breshke flip, I'm pretty sure Trfel is town. Hard defense and pushing off of him on 6-1 is too suicidal. | ||
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On November 21 2015 10:11 ritoky wrote: disform's read have been flipping on a dime all game based on thread sentiment; it is nothing new. he is probably just easily influenced town though cuz of the post where he suggested lynching himself early and his sheeping onto breshke day 1. of non-conf town he is the most town in the game; not even close to being close. I mean, isn't that normally a scum tell? It is for me. And he was well aware that he's done it in all his past town games so its not like he can't use that card to his advantage. How early/late did he sheep onto Breshke? I have to check that, cuz a vote is always changeable until EoD. And I'll go reread the post where he suggested lynching himself because he's been pretty much a pass for everyone recently. I'm wondering how genuine that suggestion was. | ||
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On November 21 2015 10:19 Fecalfeast wrote: What I'm getting is that he's too scummy to be scum? As far as me, pretty much. I don't remember why ritoky said it was 1 or the other but him hard defending Breshke, making a case onto you and getting super upset about being ignored(felt like pretty genuine anger) and literally apologizing for his wrong read on Breshke is just...idk, if you do that as scum, you're begging to be lynched. Unless he wifomd me to all hell with that. | ||
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On November 21 2015 10:22 ritoky wrote: basically in the rules it states: "The homunculli will know which of these is accurate, but members of the State will not." meaning the mafia knew the game setup from the start. this means they knew there was no investigative power. assuming they are players with brains this means hard i expect less hard aligning from mafia. trfel pretty much hard defended breshke day 1; and then on day 2 tried to push off of breshke against an overwhelming majority onto a lynch clearly no1 was getting on board at the time. so pretty much you have to assume they hard aligned after knowing the setup and how it was not beneficial to hard align, then instead of going for credit and lynching his partner he pushed against every town read of his onto someone he thought was scum. there's another point but i forgot it and am getting rdy for work. also his passion when ppl wanted to lynch him are the feelz The other point was how hard he kept pushing onto an unCCd blue in Farrah | ||
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On November 21 2015 10:28 ritoky wrote: Normally it is a scum tell yes. But he is a new player right? And haven't like all other new players subbed out of this game so this is basically a 0 newbie game? I can see being swayed. Idk, maybe...it is just hard for me to see many new players have the gusto to suggest lynching themselves immediately. And he was very quick onto breshke...also kinda quick off too. Iirc this is his 5th or 6th game? So that does make sense. But if he were scum, it would be his first game. This is def reaching but you never know if he was overwhelmed by rolling scum and took a gambit with suggesting we lynch him. That's not something I can ever tell or prove tho. Like, his waffliness only makes me waffle on him so hard. It's a vicious cycle. =/ | ||
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On November 21 2015 10:32 Fecalfeast wrote: NM/ever/trfel are the easy, low hanging fruit since none of them voted breshke. If we ignore ever for the moment because she obviously missed the entire day rather than consciously voting off wagon AND we go with the trfel is hard aligning with scum and therefore not scum, there HAS to be scum on breshke's wagon. Which leaves shining and ritoky and disform. YUCK Or you =D What if its one bus and one off wagon? | ||
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Yeaaahhhh I don't doubt it. *shudders* the world is strange. Srsly tho, this game shouldn't be this hard after a scumflip. | ||
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On November 22 2015 09:44 disformation wrote: I currently feel like Trfel has pulled so many strange plays, I won't be able to figure out his alignment unless he flips...  Current PoE is: Trfel, FF, ritoky, Onegu Unless The Shining or NM have played a very good game and managed to pull some wool over my eyes. Will probably read their filters again tomorrow to make sure. Could the game be stupid and really simple with a Breshke/Trfel/Onegu team? I mean everyone else(except me) has good sized filters and points where it looks they're trying to solve the game. When the game is this hard, it kinda makes you wonder if it is actually this hard. Where is Trfel at with reads? I just ate dinner, feeling kinda lazy. FF is still his scum? Who is the other? | ||
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The Shining
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On November 22 2015 06:38 NocturneMage wrote: Got interrupted. For Shining, he brings up good points in 1466 and 1472 and I don't think those plus the rebuttal in 1479 could come from scum. Also Breshke defending Shining doesn't really make Shining mafia, he can't control what Breshke does. So I'm on post 1469, where ritoky is posting to Shining. Two things I'm looking at closely. #2 if I remember the timing right Shining not playing at the time cited wasn't alignment indicative since he doesn't play Mondays and Tuesdays. I wasn't sure at the time if ritoky was just ignorant of this or if he didn't know about that and he was just voting people or putting in a lynch list he wasn't sure of. Him fighting with Eversince for being under anesthesia doesn't mean he's mafia though if you looked at the reasonings why. The excuses aren't mafia in of themselves, but why he voted him over Scott, who knows. second is another reason as to why this setup reason is why he's backing off Trfel. But most critically is that post when he tries to push Trfel over Breshke and he says "Trfel has done scummy things, Breshke has not done anything." I backtracked to when around the time ritoky "gave up" and decided to vote Breshke based on the FF case. He asked Trfel about an hour after he made his post pushing Trfel for a list of reasons and that was before he read the two cases. Well the point of Breshke "not doing much of anything" was effectively in Fecalfeast's filter when he said "this filter is random, I want him to explain" (post 1287) and that was the long case on Breshke. But the real issue is that FF's case on Breshke was on day 1 material. When ritoky pushed trfel day 2, his pushing Trfel day 2 was based on "Trfel doign scummy things nad Breshke not really doing anything" with that activity on day 1. Why did it take Fecalfeast casing Breshke for ritoky to actually make the conclusion he did on Breshke when the material wasn't new and it was the same material at the time he was pushing Trfel that made Breshke less mafia than Trfel (in ritoky's view)? That gets me. It actually makes sense for Trfel to even comment what he did - Fecalfeast pushing Breshke? "that's the easiest push in the world." So Trfel suspecting Fecalfeast actually makes Trfel less mafia (for me) and makes me question why ritoky actually didn't try to lynch Fecalfeast (or push him) if the case's material/basis was for material that didn't make him suspect compared to Trfel to begin with. After all he liked Trfel's case on Fecalfeast. So that doesn't add up for ritoky. Committing this post to memory. | ||
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The Shining
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That's 4 incorrect reads Trfel has had and 3 at the time when he tried to push Fecal. You would think he'd be a little hesitant and less confident after being wrong 3x, no? Why so confident to the point that we are all bad for not listening to him? Also his read progression on disformation seemed odd. He defended disfo early, even claiming he had the longest filter up to a point in the game, and didn't discuss disfo much at all afterwards. There was his push into Farrah. Then disfo ends up on his "look into" list with Fecal. But no real discussion of disfo, just a case on Fecal. And disfo is now on his poe list with Onegu and FF. But he never really discussed the ES/Onegu slot except to say ES was impossible to read. | ||
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##Vote: ritoky I've been at the emergency vet since late last night, my dog caught an allergic reaction to something and almost died on me. Haven't really had much time to read or play. | ||
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What I learned from this game: I really need to trust my reads more. I had Bresh off of one interaction, my doubts on Trfel, and I poked ritoky pretty early. I need confidence lol. Gg town and pleasure playing with all of you, post game and replacement stuff aside. Kudos to me for another small town filter with a few accurate reads =D | ||
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