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Fecal, that would make me cry. Lots.
Ritoky what does that mean? Pretend English isn't my native language.
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I still don't understand. So you guys have a sick soulread on each other, never been wrong. Are you saying he's wrong here? What exactly did you figure out from that?
And what about the Scott stuff I brought up a while back that others have pinged on as well? And thinking I'm scum/lynchable all game but doing nothing about it?
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The fake remorse literally right at EoD over him being town. And no you didn't lynch him. You swapped onto our unCCd Vig. Why lie?
And where exactly did you try to lynch me? You voted me, then moved onto Scott then Moosy. But when you swapped off of Scott for Moosy, even though you think I'm scum, you never once found it weird that I voted with you on Scott before you swapped. And you didn't comment much or at all on geripts Breshke case d1. You also tried to get Trfel lynched over Brshke before switching over.
So if you're gonna try to get me lynched, you think I bussed Breshke? And during my small time here the night before EoD, me questioning and making Breshke frustrated was what? Orchestrated in QT? My pressuring him and calling him scum and asking about his Farrah and disfo reads have what scum motivation exactly?
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On November 21 2015 08:04 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2015 07:58 The Shining wrote:
I still don't understand. So you guys have a sick soulread on each other, never been wrong. Are you saying he's wrong here? What exactly did you figure out from that?
And what about the Scott stuff I brought up a while back that others have pinged on as well? And thinking I'm scum/lynchable all game but doing nothing about it? i literally tried to lynch you day 1. i am probably going to try and lynch you again tomorrow. what scott stuff? i put him in PoE cuz he was not doing anything town. i tried to lynch you. i came back a half hour before the deadline, people had pushed scott; he was in my PoE so i lynched him over what we now know is vigi. sorry, not sorry.
And you also didn't answer what it is you figured out from Damdred calling u Mafia. Unless you're implying the unCCd vet is scum?
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Am I at least a pretty pile of doodoo?
Another question for ritoky. If FF is still in your doodoo pile, and you never dropped your suspicion of him, and even hinted that FF could be bussing Breshke, why did you feel it necessary to say this?
QUOTE]On November 20 2015 14:25 ritoky wrote:
##vote: breshke
also in support of a shining or ever lynch. might be convinced of an ff lynch.[/QUOTE]
Why is it "might be convinced" on someone you've suspected for a long time? Why need convincing at all? And why might? I don't get it.
You put an inactive question mark lynch(ES) over someone you've been suspicious of for a while. And when it comes to me, I still don't see what I've done that makes me scum. You just pushed my activity and dropoff. You also are in support of lynching my very first scumread(ES) but you want to lynch me, too? So I was willing to bus d1 and d2? Wat
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On November 21 2015 08:33 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2015 08:13 The Shining wrote:
The fake remorse literally right at EoD over him being town. And no you didn't lynch him. You swapped onto our unCCd Vig. Why lie?
And where exactly did you try to lynch me? You voted me, then moved onto Scott then Moosy. But when you swapped off of Scott for Moosy, even though you think I'm scum, you never once found it weird that I voted with you on Scott before you swapped. And you didn't comment much or at all on geripts Breshke case d1. You also tried to get Trfel lynched over Brshke before switching over.
So if you're gonna try to get me lynched, you think I bussed Breshke? And during my small time here the night before EoD, me questioning and making Breshke frustrated was what? Orchestrated in QT? My pressuring him and calling him scum and asking about his Farrah and disfo reads have what scum motivation exactly? alright you're just wrong on so many levels here, there's no way you're not scum. 1st you've been wanting to push me for omgus all game and just been waiting to do it but i am town, and everyone has correctly read me town so you just can't. the literal moment anyone suggests it is possible you opportunistically hop on what you've been trying to do all game long. it's a joke, but here's where you're so fucking wrong on every single thing: 1) you did nothing to breshke, that lynch was 0% yours. you were literally completely inactive for 2 days and had 0 thread influence so assuming that you could do anything to influence the lynch is a fallacy. also "you think i bussed breshke?" well you think i did so you're already contradicting yourself; but the answer to this question is yes. a 0 investigative power game? hard bussing a partner is optimal. 2) where did i try to lynch you: Show nested quote +On November 16 2015 14:32 ritoky wrote:
idk about that shining post you quoted there breshke. you're like "second paragraph is whatever"; the second paragraph is an excuse wrapped in self-aware meta. no bueno. plus i don't think he is nitpicky....i think he doesn't care about his reads, he is just giving them out of his ass. oh wait who was that defending your bullshit read early game? oh yeah that was the confirmed mafia you went hard on, but let's stay on track here. Show nested quote +On November 17 2015 20:04 ritoky wrote:
my lynch list is pretty much: scott, shining, disform, and maybe breshke? although the moosy thing i guess i wouldn't be opposed to cuz i have no fucking clue and am mostly just praying to the PR.
scott - constantly behind, no real legitimate engagement with the game, low amount of content, really strange breshke progression without much explanation behind it mostly just a quote; shown no real desire to find and lynch scum or really form a substantive town circle which means he is just playin on the fringes.
shining - hasn't played since i made my points about posting reads out of his ass, not having teeth, and the like; thus my read hasn't changed. also fought with a guy under anesthesia, which makes 0 fucking sense to me...the guy admitted to being heavily medicated...fails the "what have you done for me recently test"...also excuses, hate excuses.
disform - click my filter go see my case, it is a complex slightly mafia leaning read. geript pointing out the "post would come back to bite me comment" made me feel he is slightly more mafia cuz i can't really think of why a townie would be considering something like that....like why are you so heavily concerned about shit being used against you if you're town? but he does have that joke about lynching himself which felt like a redeeming quality so i hesitate.
breshke? - i don't have a town read. remember when you spent the entire game trying to lynch an afk rather than participate? that was fun. Show nested quote +On November 17 2015 20:27 ritoky wrote:
##vote: the shining
i gotta go to sleep now, thought about this a bit and something in my gut is just telling me not to vote for disform. so pretty much between scott and shining. shining has done more actively scummy things in my opinion, plus excuses....fuck excuses. i think this is the best place to start.
g'night. and fuck you if someone comes on 10 minutes after this. and that's me on day 1, heaven forbid the rest of my filter where i perpetually ask every1 all game why they TR or null read you and not a fucking soul ever answers me they just keep saying "town". 3) oh my god you didn't comment on geript's case on breshke; except the part where i called it factually wrong with NM? Show nested quote +On November 18 2015 04:46 ritoky wrote:
idk him not letting that go and constantly circling back to it seems somewhat town indicative to me. but i suppose when that's the most town thing in your filter that's not saying much lol. Show nested quote +On November 18 2015 04:47 ritoky wrote:On November 18 2015 04:45 NocturneMage wrote:
...but page 2, the pressing on VE seems towny, he IS following up there. welcome to my brain i stand by that shit too, even if he was mafia geript's case was factually wrong. he said breshke had no constant opinions and asked isolated questions when breshke literally focused on like 3 things all game; it was a right read for the wrong reasons. 4) yup, i tried to lynch trfel cuz he was pushing on an uncc'd blue. i think he isn't a brainless player and that's a brainless play. it makes 0 sense from a town perspective, i also had a read that there was 1 between breshke and trfel since hard aligning is stupid in 0 inv setup. trfel then brought the fire and i moved my vote....before you did.....just sayin. it's okay though dude, you're mafia in a tough spot looking for MLs; but pushing ML on me is always shit, cuz i rain sulfur on kids.
Probably the most effort you've put into a post up to this point. Noted. Not fooled though 
I wanted to push you for being bad and omgus on d1, sure. You picked on NAI shit to try to scum me, which is bad and knowing my alignment, made you bad af to me. I don't see how it's opportunistic tho when during Night 1, I started suspecting you BEFORE ANYONE ELSE DID. So no, you're wrong. Disfo even had to do a point by point response RE: you to make me think I could possibly be wrong.
The Breshke lynch was also 0% yours and you left yourself open to 3 other lynches, 2 on inactive at the time(me and ES) so I don't know how that makes me any worse than you. In fact, you tried to get people onto Trfel INSTEAD OF Breshke before giving up and going onto Breshke. So where I had suspicion and ended up voting him, you tried other lynches before going onto him.
Breshke defending my townread? Because this isn't his first game with me, dude probably didn't want to poke the bear because I'm a completely different player as town when scum tries to say I'm scum for some horrible BS reasons, like you did d1. Remember that Trfel, Farrah, disfo, NM all picked up on some town vibes from me D1 so are they all scum for it becuz Breshke is? Lol no.
Remember when you decided you were okay with lynching the same afk that I've had a hard on for all game? I do. Pretty fun, too. Why the hell would you be OK with lynching my first scumread if you think I'm scum. Bad bad bad. And if everyone kept defending me, maybe you should've actually tried to case me and give reasons why you think I'm scum instead of just defaulting to my activity, which is completely NAI for me.
I said YOU DIDNT COMMENT MUCH. Reading comprehension. I'm glad you could find exactly 2 posts with as many sentences to explain your discussion on a case. I also questioned where Breshkes limited questioning was going in thread because it felt like nowhere and I was right. The dude afkd the thread after talking to me. And geripts case IMO was more right than wrong, even more so after D1 but no one revisited it until later.
With Trfel, its also a stubborn play and suicidal af so I doubt scumTrfel would ever do such a thing. But you scummed him for it and had to be talked down from it. I also didn't have to move my vote, it was placed squarely on Breshke who I was suspicious of for a while. Congrats on doing so before me, it doesn't make you town.
You can try to rain sulfur on me all you want, mate, I'm not scum and therefore acid proof. I love how in that big ass post of yours re: me, though, you spent more time explaining what you did and why you did it as opposed to why I'm scum.
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On November 21 2015 08:45 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2015 08:17 The Shining wrote:On November 21 2015 08:04 ritoky wrote:On November 21 2015 07:58 The Shining wrote:
I still don't understand. So you guys have a sick soulread on each other, never been wrong. Are you saying he's wrong here? What exactly did you figure out from that?
And what about the Scott stuff I brought up a while back that others have pinged on as well? And thinking I'm scum/lynchable all game but doing nothing about it? i literally tried to lynch you day 1. i am probably going to try and lynch you again tomorrow. what scott stuff? i put him in PoE cuz he was not doing anything town. i tried to lynch you. i came back a half hour before the deadline, people had pushed scott; he was in my PoE so i lynched him over what we now know is vigi. sorry, not sorry. And you also didn't answer what it is you figured out from Damdred calling u Mafia. Unless you're implying the unCCd vet is scum? yes, let me admit what i might have found that damdred soul reads me for so i can't use it to manipulate him in any future games. dumb.
"Yes, let me mention Damdreds soul read on me without refuting it and making no conclusions and saying nothing helpful regarding it or the current game.". If it had nothing to do with how you currently read Damdred, or this game, why even mention it?
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On November 21 2015 08:47 Fecalfeast wrote:
I just want ever's replacement to come in like "Hey guys I'm a vig with no bullets who'd I shoot?" so we can kill moose and not feel bad about it
Or they don't find a replacement and she gets modkilled after this phase and flips scum so we can all be happy.
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On November 21 2015 09:02 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2015 08:57 The Shining wrote:On November 21 2015 08:45 ritoky wrote:On November 21 2015 08:17 The Shining wrote:On November 21 2015 08:04 ritoky wrote:On November 21 2015 07:58 The Shining wrote:
I still don't understand. So you guys have a sick soulread on each other, never been wrong. Are you saying he's wrong here? What exactly did you figure out from that?
And what about the Scott stuff I brought up a while back that others have pinged on as well? And thinking I'm scum/lynchable all game but doing nothing about it? i literally tried to lynch you day 1. i am probably going to try and lynch you again tomorrow. what scott stuff? i put him in PoE cuz he was not doing anything town. i tried to lynch you. i came back a half hour before the deadline, people had pushed scott; he was in my PoE so i lynched him over what we now know is vigi. sorry, not sorry. And you also didn't answer what it is you figured out from Damdred calling u Mafia. Unless you're implying the unCCd vet is scum? yes, let me admit what i might have found that damdred soul reads me for so i can't use it to manipulate him in any future games. dumb. "Yes, let me mention Damdreds soul read on me without refuting it and making no conclusions and saying nothing helpful regarding it or the current game.". If it had nothing to do with how you currently read Damdred, or this game, why even mention it? re: this clearly you've never been in a game with both damdred and i before. the fact that this was the first mention of a soul read is nearly a miracle. re: the rest of your stuff, i didn't really read it i saw something about "you spent more time defending yourself". duh, the post said "here's why you're wrong" not "here's why you're mafia". "here's why you're mafia" post is coming next after i calm down and make sure i am seeing clearly rather than breathing hot fiyah.
Nope. If I recall correctly, we've only played one other game together and Damdred wasn't there. And you wanted to lynch me for shit reasons. I thought you were scum. We were both town. You just can't read me for shit, apparently.
Annnddd Damdred just replaced yesterday. So how is it a miracle that it was the first mention of it? And actually it wasn't, I'm pretty sure disfo and maybe someone else asked Damdred specifically about whether he had his soulread on you. I guess you missed that during your dropoff.
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And fine, I'll gladly await the here's why I'm Mafia. Should be epic.
But ignoring the rest of the post when I actually brought up things about you that I feel make no sense/make you scum(like your willingness to lynch my first scumread) gives me 0 warm fuzzies about you
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Try finding something better than activity and filter size when I roll town 90% of the time with smaller or equal filter sizes to this. Your picking on NAI shit is getting old.
Damdred hasnt been here from the start, he replaced in. Why would you think he'd read you the same as a game you both started in from the beginning?
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On November 21 2015 09:14 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2015 09:09 The Shining wrote:
And fine, I'll gladly await the here's why I'm Mafia. Should be epic.
But ignoring the rest of the post when I actually brought up things about you that I feel make no sense/make you scum(like your willingness to lynch my first scumread) gives me 0 warm fuzzies about you i was considering lynching ever because of procedural reasons: 1) don't play around mod actions, mods don't always follow their own rules, and people (like i have in the past) abuse aspects of the rules for advantages. 2) taking a coinflip to mylo is always terrible from a pure gameplay perspective. i can explain it to you if you don't understand, but essentially if you're willing to take a coinflip to mylo you're committing to never lynching them all game. procedural lynching is much different than scum reading someone on anesthesia.
1) I agreed with you on this at the time but I also alrdy wanted to lynch her so w.e
2) again I agreed.
But even though you never once thought I was town, you were still OK lynching her even though I wanted to. Instead of me. As far as I can tell from your Breshke vote post, you had us on equal footing. I don't understand why, if she's procedural but I'm an actual scumread.
So what, she can't be scum because she was on anaesthesia and explained a scumread that SHE called satire? After attacking a metaread while making a metaread on Farrah? And claimed her medical condition would give her MORE time to play but completely afkd the thread days ago? K
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On November 21 2015 09:18 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2015 09:07 Fecalfeast wrote:
Ritoky if I gave you a gun and told you to shoot anyone who isn't shining, would you use it? On whom?
I'm not feeling extra funny right now sorry bb. it's okay i think i might go shave to calm myself. shooting ever is always the correct play, but i am in a mood right now so i would shoot NM cuz yolo tinfoil.
I meant to ask about that before we started our back and forth. Why is NM the tinfoil? Any reason in particular or gut feeling?
Feel free to disregard because you think I'm scum but I'm not and this could help my read on you
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On November 21 2015 09:19 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2015 09:15 The Shining wrote:
Try finding something better than activity and filter size when I roll town 90% of the time with smaller or equal filter sizes to this. Your picking on NAI shit is getting old.
Damdred hasnt been here from the start, he replaced in. Why would you think he'd read you the same as a game you both started in from the beginning? because he has subbed into games and done it before and i have subbed into games where he instantly read me before, we have played a lot together.
I could ask you for games as proof but you probably don't even wanna work with me anymore XD
Damdred, confirm/deny?
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On November 21 2015 09:18 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2015 09:07 Fecalfeast wrote:
Ritoky if I gave you a gun and told you to shoot anyone who isn't shining, would you use it? On whom?
I'm not feeling extra funny right now sorry bb. it's okay i think i might go shave to calm myself. shooting ever is always the correct play, but i am in a mood right now so i would shoot NM cuz yolo tinfoil.
Actually wait. Why wouldn't you shoot FF? He's still in your doodoo pile, you still think he's scum?
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On November 21 2015 09:26 Fecalfeast wrote:
shining, if I handed you a gun to use on any player in this game, would you use it?
frick everyone can answer that one, why not?
I'd blast eversince as I'm not sure the replacement is going to make this game any easier
Most definitely. Eversince to get rid of the question mark and I've wanted to lynch her since d1. For my scumread and also the fact that I had a feeling with the early excuse and medical condition, town would end up getting fucked like this, regardless of her alignment.
If I can't shoot ES, ritoky just so I can get closure on whether my scumread is right, if I'm being honest
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Lol don't leave me in final 3 pls. I make ridiculous cases and its always on the final scum. All 2 times lol
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On November 21 2015 09:46 Fecalfeast wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2015 09:41 disformation wrote:Was glancing at this thread from the side. Suddenly ticktoc. Hi Onegu. No additional input on ritoky vs shining?
Beat me to it.
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Damn it disfo.
Damdred asked disformation to explain his read progression on ritoky. He basically goes from town, to town, to worried about his drop in activity, to town. Similar with me, except for me he had a lot more worries and wanted to see me town up the thread.. I was also on his poe, but the most town out of the 4 he had there.
Then I start suspecting ritoky. Now we have disfos posts RE: ritoky:
On November 21 2015 02:37 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2015 02:25 Damdred wrote:
Shining isn't scum like pretty sure about it at this point.
I mean a ff Breshke and ever team isn't the worst idea.
But I'm not so sure entirely.
Disfo talk me through your read progression on Trfel and ritoky. I am kinda worried I missed something and someone is screwing town hard. But who? NM and ritoky are very town to me. Your reasoning just now makes me also think you are very town, on top of being uncc. MD is also uncc and constantly pushing ppl he thinks are scum, although I feel his reads do not change much and he fell of D2. My role PM tells me I am a VT. I just excluded Trfel from my PoE cause his play makes a lot less sense as scum. So unless Eversince is a PR and either MD or you took a HUGE risk in fake claiming there are like no options left. I also think out of those 4 The Shining is the most town and am still willing to give him a day to town up the thread. I think I called ritoky town all game, since he gave me no reason to do so otherwise. Give me a moment to write up the progressions though.
Ritoky is very town. I "think" I called ritoky town all game. Shouldn't he know how he is reading ritoky?
+ Show Spoiler +On November 21 2015 03:21 disformation wrote:Edited some stuff out, to make this more readable. I add a link to the original post for those I edited.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/497023-newbie-student-mafia-xvii-fullmetal-edition?page=18#359:Show nested quote +On November 16 2015 08:30 disformation wrote:
Trfel.. kinda strange reaction to VE's uh... lets call it a poke. Not sure if his knee jerk reaction is maffay or town motivated.
ritoky: Getting an investigating/engaging/driving the thread feel, so town lean.
ritoky: town for tone and how he was approaching/interacting with the thread. the trfel read is explained in more detail here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/497023-newbie-student-mafia-xvii-fullmetal-edition?page=22#433Show nested quote +On November 17 2015 02:30 disformation wrote:On November 16 2015 23:34 NocturneMage wrote:
Alright, so ritoky is certainly town for 362, I'm moving geript back to null until he can explain why he thinks the Trfel push is malicious, not seeing further explanation yet in his filter.
disformation why is Trfel's post "strange"? You are a newer player like myself so ignoring meta, can you expand on what you thought was wrong with it? I can try. So TS posts this: On November 16 2015 06:22 The Shining wrote:On November 16 2015 06:19 geript wrote:
Also if trfel hasn't said at least 1 smart thing by tomorrow we kill him. I like this. Trfels entrance was a one liner asking you to explain your read. And the posts are worryingly short. Is this the same Trfel that likes to post crazy WoT to start games and do stuff to get conversation and reads going? Because that is the town Trfel I know and this isn't him. A few mins later Trfel posts this: On November 16 2015 06:24 Trfel wrote:VisceraEyesVisceraEyes makes two posts showing suspicion of The Shining. + Show Spoiler +On November 16 2015 05:35 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2015 05:34 The Shining wrote:
Farrah your logic is flawed. I rolled scum a few games ago which means I'm due for another 10 town games, which this is. Your instant vote is pretty uncalled for so early, with so many people missing but I'll chalk it up to interesting entrance. How far you plan on pushing this obvious policy lynch?
Actually all the entrances so far suck. No TRs, town Y u make this so hard? No townreads = trying to keep options open. Marfia. On November 16 2015 05:37 VisceraEyes wrote:
Like statistically speaking you could just close your eyes and point at a townie, so the fact that you can't trust ANYONE with so many having posted is a huge red flag for me. After these posts, VisceraEyes treats The Shining like he is town, specifically by telling The Shining how to properly play as town. + Show Spoiler +On November 16 2015 05:43 VisceraEyes wrote:
As for finding scum not town, it's infinitely easier to narrow down your search by correctly identifying townies. This is known. On November 16 2015 05:45 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2015 05:44 The Shining wrote:
If you want me to explain, the logic of closing your eyes and finding a town less than an hour to d1 by just pointing means statistically you have a higher chance of finding town by being random. By that same logic, snap voting this early on D1 means it has a higher chance of landing on town.
Farrah why do you think the game is boring less than an hour after it started? That feels pretty ñonsensical. Things have to happen for it to be exciting, or boring. Deciding its boring on the 3rd post of the game is pretty weird. And AS I said, it wasn't a random snap vote. It's a vote placed with reason. You may or may not agree with the reason, that's your prerogative and should affect whether or not you place your vote. Not mine. <3 Furthermore, Eversince's post on FarahBlackwing has a very large logical flaw, in that The Shining hadn't posted at the time. Eversince is comparing a townread based on actual posts to a vote with zero reason from this game, which does not work. VisceraEyes knows much better than this. This isn't VisceraEyes pushing The Shining, this is VisceraEyes reading incorrectly and flailing wildly at The Shining with words that don't match his stance. Hm looking at the timestamps that could have been ninja... Well what I meant at the time with strange: 1) the timing 2) the targets. What is strange with the targets? Well he basically helps defending TS from mean VE, after TS expressed his dislike of Trfel. So in maffay motivations this trfel post could have been motivated to a) "hey look I am doing Trfel town stuff" and b) "hey TS I am totally on your side, ease up your suspicions on me." Even with the TS post being a ninja motivation 1) still is possible, since the geript post. Not enough to give Trfel a scum read, but I won't give him a town read either. So I find the timing and the motivation of Trfel's post odd, but as always fail to come to a solid conclusion on Trfel.
Show nested quote +On November 17 2015 03:06 disformation wrote:On November 17 2015 02:50 disformation wrote:
So to summarize:
ppl I currently don't like: MoosyDoosy, Trfel, FF Should add at least a bit of reasoning: All three are in dire need of contributing more and have exhibited a bit of suspicious actions. (MoosyDoosy buggering off without explaining his reads, Trefel explained a few posts above and FF being lurky as hell, with minimal contributions.) Other thoughts: Eversince will probably just get a pass from me for D1 because of the surgeries along with some points for trying to be here and do stuff. I didn't mind Farah, but want to see more in the near future. Still a bit waffly (btw: for ppl that don't know me: I am The Waffleboy) on The Shining, but he is a town lean for me atm. Also waffly about Breshke. Kinda liked scotts entry, so townlean unless he just vanishes for the rest of the day. I know scott is a low volume poster and I have a bit of a problem with that, since it often leads to me feeling like I don't see a proper read progression. NocturneMage, geript, ritoky and VE town. rit town read and despite not reaching a conclusion on Trfel earlier he shows up in the list of ppl that I dislike. A bunch of ppl rightfully complain about this and I try to explain: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/497023-newbie-student-mafia-xvii-fullmetal-edition?page=32#626So what I wanted to say: I don't have a solid scum read on him, but he shows up in my PoE since I also don't TR him and have suspicious as I indicated earlier.
Show nested quote +On November 17 2015 10:58 disformation wrote:On November 17 2015 10:31 ritoky wrote:On November 17 2015 10:26 disformation wrote:On November 17 2015 10:24 NocturneMage wrote:
Besides Moosy, at the moment, there are others that I have questions on like VE (like FF can't be his only scumread), geript to a lesser extent (he's not lynchable but I want the whole Trfel thing to check out), disformation, the scott followup on Trfel.
And VE completely dodged Breshke's questions upon re-reading. I'll be around another one or two hours, so if you have questions, feel free to ask. 3 never lynch today people and top 3 lynches today plz. a line or 2 on why, thanks bb Kay: Never Lynch Today Hasn't changed much from my last posts. 1) ritoky: Strong thread presence, prodding ppl looking for answers, I genuinely believe he wants to figure out ppls alignment. 2) NocturneMage: Super more active/interactive compared to NSM13. Not by a bit but by a HUGE margin. 3) geript: Came in the thread pretty strong, prodding ppl for different things, but hasn't been here today. I hope he drops by later though. Top Lynches: This is kinda difficult right now. Rethinking a few things... 1) MoosyDoosy: Does he even count? Feels a bit like a policy lynch as stated earlier. So alternatives to MD... The Shining hasn't been here in ages... I am warming up a bit on FF... Scott hasn't done much after he got that hasty town lean from me... not sure on VE, conflicted if I like ritokys (and geripts) meta read more than trfl's case... I should probably like the meta read more since it is by two guys on my never lynch today list... won't lunch ES today... mh... probably next up is scott and I feel like an idiot now. -.- 2) scott bonus: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/497023-newbie-student-mafia-xvii-fullmetal-edition?page=23#441 Not sure what the point of this post was. Buddying up to me? 3) Either still FF or someone else... taking a shower, will think on this, brb Show nested quote +On November 17 2015 11:03 disformation wrote:
Bonus note: I have no real clue where trfl's reads are at... rit: town. trfel: no idea where his reads are at: no like still suspicious.
Show nested quote +On November 18 2015 01:37 disformation wrote:Trfel- Already expanded on his early VE case here:
+ Show Spoiler +On November 17 2015 02:30 disformation wrote:I can try. So TS posts this: Show nested quote +On November 16 2015 06:22 The Shining wrote:On November 16 2015 06:19 geript wrote:
Also if trfel hasn't said at least 1 smart thing by tomorrow we kill him. I like this. Trfels entrance was a one liner asking you to explain your read. And the posts are worryingly short. Is this the same Trfel that likes to post crazy WoT to start games and do stuff to get conversation and reads going? Because that is the town Trfel I know and this isn't him. A few mins later Trfel posts this: Show nested quote +On November 16 2015 06:24 Trfel wrote:VisceraEyesVisceraEyes makes two posts showing suspicion of The Shining. + Show Spoiler +On November 16 2015 05:35 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2015 05:34 The Shining wrote:
Farrah your logic is flawed. I rolled scum a few games ago which means I'm due for another 10 town games, which this is. Your instant vote is pretty uncalled for so early, with so many people missing but I'll chalk it up to interesting entrance. How far you plan on pushing this obvious policy lynch?
Actually all the entrances so far suck. No TRs, town Y u make this so hard? No townreads = trying to keep options open. Marfia. On November 16 2015 05:37 VisceraEyes wrote:
Like statistically speaking you could just close your eyes and point at a townie, so the fact that you can't trust ANYONE with so many having posted is a huge red flag for me. After these posts, VisceraEyes treats The Shining like he is town, specifically by telling The Shining how to properly play as town. + Show Spoiler +On November 16 2015 05:43 VisceraEyes wrote:
As for finding scum not town, it's infinitely easier to narrow down your search by correctly identifying townies. This is known. On November 16 2015 05:45 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2015 05:44 The Shining wrote:
If you want me to explain, the logic of closing your eyes and finding a town less than an hour to d1 by just pointing means statistically you have a higher chance of finding town by being random. By that same logic, snap voting this early on D1 means it has a higher chance of landing on town.
Farrah why do you think the game is boring less than an hour after it started? That feels pretty ñonsensical. Things have to happen for it to be exciting, or boring. Deciding its boring on the 3rd post of the game is pretty weird. And AS I said, it wasn't a random snap vote. It's a vote placed with reason. You may or may not agree with the reason, that's your prerogative and should affect whether or not you place your vote. Not mine. <3 Furthermore, Eversince's post on FarahBlackwing has a very large logical flaw, in that The Shining hadn't posted at the time. Eversince is comparing a townread based on actual posts to a vote with zero reason from this game, which does not work. VisceraEyes knows much better than this. This isn't VisceraEyes pushing The Shining, this is VisceraEyes reading incorrectly and flailing wildly at The Shining with words that don't match his stance. Hm looking at the timestamps that could have been ninja... Well what I meant at the time with strange: 1) the timing 2) the targets. What is strange with the targets? Well he basically helps defending TS from mean VE, after TS expressed his dislike of Trfel. So in maffay motivations this trfel post could have been motivated to a) "hey look I am doing Trfel town stuff" and b) "hey TS I am totally on your side, ease up your suspicions on me." Even with the TS post being a ninja motivation 1) still is possible, since the geript post. Not enough to give Trfel a scum read, but I won't give him a town read either.
- Posts a new, way more fleshed out case on VE:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/497023-newbie-student-mafia-xvii-fullmetal-edition?page=23#447
Not sure if the case holds, but the willingness to pursuit his scum read despite resistance, is town for me.
- Follows up with interactions with different ppls. I can clearly follow his train of thought on his new prime suspect scott. Still doesn't like VE.
Agenda seems to be figuring out the game and pushing his prime suspects. Town pile for today. Did a filter dive on Trfel and decide that his pursuit of VE is rather town than scum.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/497023-newbie-student-mafia-xvii-fullmetal-edition?page=45#890Show nested quote +On November 18 2015 08:57 disformation wrote:
Trfel
Thought he was town before all the EoD stuff happened. Need to look at it again and re-evaluate. Not sure if I'll be able to get that done before EoN though. Show nested quote +On November 18 2015 23:55 disformation wrote:Now what I found in Trfel's filter: On November 18 2015 04:21 Trfel wrote:
Wait, what the heck?
This push onto Breshke is so mafia-motivated. I don't trust geript at all here.
Look at scott31337's townread of geript. He just says that geript is a top town.
Notice that he repeatedly says "Trfel could be scum or he could be town" in response to me solving the game and pushing my ideas.
He never describes any difference between me and geript, just uses the fact that I had one good game as scum to avoid townreading me. But geript is better than me at mafia, by far, and scott31337 knows this. It's impossible for him not to know that geript is extremely skilled as mafia.
So now geript comes up with this push out of nowhere to prevent scott31337 from being lynched?
I don't like this one bit. Isn't that whole post basically a fear read on geript? Fear reads are bad mkay. Is he trying to sow distraction? Not a fan but I need to read his filter for conclusions. That is when I was greatly confused by the geript/scott association thing Trfel posted.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/497023-newbie-student-mafia-xvii-fullmetal-edition?page=60#1187Show nested quote +On November 19 2015 23:05 disformation wrote:
ritoky, was worried when he fell off, but since he got back I only got town vibes, so he stays town.
trfel. in my tinfoil world he is town. him being the vig would make tons of sense to me. that being said, I am still confused by a few of his posts. I have a half finished filter dive on him saved somewhere, will look at that some more later. I later expand on this post: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/497023-newbie-student-mafia-xvii-fullmetal-edition?page=62#1222Show nested quote +On November 20 2015 05:05 disformation wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On November 19 2015 23:05 disformation wrote:Hi Damdred, Hi sicklucker  Should have gone to bed earlier yesterday. 13 hours of mafia after 4 hours of sleep might not have been the greatest of ideas. At least I now 100% believe the vet claim. So: ritoky, was worried when he fell off, but since he got back I only got town vibes, so he stays town. moosydoosy. Still not a fan of my sweetheart, but still think he is far more likely to flip town than scum. damdy. vet. trfel. in my tinfoil world he is town. him being the vig would make tons of sense to me. that being said, I am still confused by a few of his posts. I have a half finished filter dive on him saved somewhere, will look at that some more later. FF. Like null? I know he is supposed to be lazy as town, but I could easily see him as mafia coasting by at this point. Eversince. I also hope there were no problems with the surgery and stuff, but there aren't that many options left and that could bite town in the ass soon. I also remembered that we are supposed to have at least 5 posts per day/night cycle and get modkilled if we don't, as per the rules in the op. Though hoping for a replacement/modkill is probably not the safest/best way to handle this. Breshke. Okay, I admit the stuff I said yesterday about him parking his vote on MD, might just be because of timezones. Still high chance of flipping scum though, since I haven't seen anything that made my stomach tingly and the points from D1 still stand. The Shining. Still want to see a bunch more from him to decide. Not compelled in either direction atm, but the PoE is getting smaller... So yeah if the vigi is someone of the bottom 4 1/2 ppl in this list I would love for him to claim, since this would greatly improve our chances to hit mafia today. So imo we either deal with Eversince today, as damdy suggested or we lynch one of Breshke/FF. To expand and update on my current read list: Townritoky Was worried at one point, cause he kinda fell off the thread, but when he came back I kinda immediately felt the town vibe. It is kinda hard to describe and partially tone based, but it is how he is interacting with ppl and how he kept his cool during the Farah claiming situation D2 and tried to find the best play for town. BananaboatTrfel Currently conflicted here. Wrong/Frustrated town or not? This is probably a big thing to figure out for town as a whole.
So in summary: I think ritoky is pretty towny this game, but that is a pretty tonal read. Maybe I should be more careful with that, but I haven't seen anything to call him scum for. Trfel I have a hard time reading, since I can't wrap my head around a bunch of his cases, like the defense on Breskhe and the geript/scott thing. If you have more questions, please shoot.
Spoiler contains his read progression. He concludes ritoky is town, though it is mostly a tonal read. But he hasn't seen anything to call him scum for. Assuming he really put in all that work to explain ritokys read progression, he should have been familiar with some of the things ritoky has done. But these things in particular doesn't come up until after ritoky becomes a suspect:
On November 21 2015 05:52 disformation wrote:
So I suggest looking at the reasons for voting again.
Oh wait... didn't FF do a good post on Breshke and ritoky was super suspicious of FF? But then rit did vote together with FF?
On November 21 2015 05:58 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2015 11:13 ritoky wrote:
pretty good post by trfel about ff. + trfel angry might mean trfel the town out of trfel/breshke and i was just wrong.
pretty good post by ff about breshke. hate that it took a good case on him to prompt it though. Show nested quote +On November 20 2015 14:17 ritoky wrote:
it still really irks me that ff only did something after he got cased.
random thought: if breshke is mafia, ff can still easily be with him. Show nested quote +On November 20 2015 14:25 ritoky wrote:
##vote: breshke
also in support of a shining or ever lynch. might be convinced of an ff lynch. Why is he voting Breshke together with FF who he suspects and kinda wants to lynch, too? And why is he suggesting to lynch two ppl who are very afk at that time?
This flipflop feels way too easily done, considering it was me suspecting ritoky(I'm not a townread to disfo) and Damdred(based off of a soulread, disfo is now paranoid. Paranoid enough to now want to lynch ritoky?)
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