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On October 24 2015 01:24 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2015 01:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Incorrect, Slam has not been a PoE read after his catch up. I just said it shifted to an OMGUS read after he started scumreading you.
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okay. afk until yamato shows up.
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You are another player who doesn't know what OMGUS means.
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On October 24 2015 01:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2015 01:21 Xatalos wrote:
Well, you just said it like it is... Hard defense -> heavy scumread based on thread sentiment, while finding some sort of justification (a single bad post or something) in their filter. It's just too drastic and the timings are too convenient. Slam has been a PoE read, conveniently always staying in the Poe regardless of all the shifts, and now it's OMGUS. So in your opinion is that i cannot call shit reads shit? And think people who should not make shit reads are not mafia? I guess i start calling every single player mafia in the game when i roll scum and when they attack me back i yell OMGUS. Best strat ever.
Well that's what you did last game as scum  (minus the "every", replaced with "a lot of")
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On October 23 2015 23:31 marvellosity wrote:
1. marvellosity
2. Vivax
8. Xatalos
13. yamato77
3. Blazinghand
4. gumshoe
6. Hopeless1der
7. raynpelikoneet
9. Onegu
12. ritoky
5. GlowingBear
10. Chromatically
11. Alakaslam
groups are in no particular order (e.g. rayn would be higher)
Marv being too wrong is more in his line for being scum, but it can happen to all of us.
However meta is huge so this might be accurate
I have been unable to read chromatically; why do you think he is scum?
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On October 24 2015 01:21 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2015 01:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 24 2015 01:16 Xatalos wrote:On October 24 2015 01:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:For the record, why Xatalos' read on me is shit and why i think he is scum is this: I mean.... Your merits this game are defending rayn (who's played exactly according to his scumgame so far, and made many unfathomable logical jumps) based on something that never really happened at the start, and some vague "nice posts" he's made. And attacking Slam for posts that I actually really liked about ritoky/rayn. This is a complete mischaracterisation of my play. I never ever do this. I never do this as town, i never do this as mafia. I have never changed my read on anyone without a reason or a "reason" (as mafia). I always have a reason for why i post the things i do. I have clearly explained every single read change i have had in this game (which is basically GlowingBear, Xatalos himself and ritoky). I went onto a long conversation about ritoky earlier, and at that time apparently there was nothing wrong with it for him. But now again it is a reason for scumreading me? I have also explained why i changed my read on GlowingBear, at that time there was nothing wrong with it for him? It should be really easy to see why i think Xatalos is mafia - or at least a bit earlier - why i reconsidered my read on him. Slam's points on me are literally shit, and as marv pointed out Slam just decided he calls me mafia nad then started quoting my posts and called them scummy. All of his points are unture, what he says i have for example done in the last couple of games -- i have literally did the same thing (which makes me scumread GB too, as he should know Slam's points are shit, yet he doesn't address them -- as i just acted towards GB the same way in the last two games). Somehow Xatalos thinks those points are good? Bullshit. Bull-fucking-shit. Another thing is he is trying to paint my read on him as OMGUS when there is nothing even close to that. I have actually reasons to think he is scum. He isn't trying to figure out my alignment, and to be honest this is kinda funny because all he says is "he did the exact same thing last time he was mafia and i caught him", funnily enough this is the EXACT case i myself made on rsoultin in that game.  He is also not not even re-considering his read in any way when marv, who is the only person who can ever read me correctly all the time, heavily disagrees with his read. Instead he decides that we must BOTH be mafia. I find it almost impossible to believe that's what he actually thinks. There is basically no way Xatalos thinks i am most likely to flip mafia here. I could understand he thinks i am mafia, but not like this, and not for the reasons he pulls out of his ass. He is basically not a person who "yolo's" a scumread like this without digging further into it. If he did, he would see that: 1) my reads are not actually unexplained, nor are the changes on them, it's really easy to see why i do the stuff i do 2) me acting like "i did as mafia" is a pure mischaracterisation of my play. The read is wrong and lazy as fuck, and misses all the reasoning for me to do things i do (which btw is there if you read closely). Well, it is OMGUS. It literally went like "Xatalos is prolly just town" -> "oh wait, he scumreads me?" -> "100% scum" in like... a couple of minutes. Your reads ARE very weird and especially their progression. You've pretty much went against anyone currently "under fire" regardless of your previous stances on them. Whenever thread sentiment turns against someone, you conveniently find some scummy post that you forgot about him earlier and vote for him. The same thing repeated with ritoky, GB and me... Town -> scum because of thread sentiment / OMGUS, not because anything actually changed in reality. Again, this is just not true. I decided to look further on GB because of what yamato, marv and Vivax said. I actually dug myself further into ritoky. I have thought Slam is mafia all game. Somehow you are incapable of seeing why i did these things, when it should be very clear from my filter. And that is why i think you are scum. You are just painting it as "unexplained read changes" when it's definitely not. Well, you just said it like it is... Hard defense -> heavy scumread based on thread sentiment, while finding some sort of justification (a single bad post or something) in their filter. It's just too drastic and the timings are too convenient. Slam has been a PoE read, conveniently always staying in the Poe regardless of all the shifts, and now it's OMGUS.
What do you mean "conveniently". Slam did nothing for a good stretch of time, then spam posted the thread. 80% of which was "hey check out why rayn in scum".
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Well Slam, I hope you do your part :D It could be a little difficult after rayn and marv set their sights on you, but... It's not like their points really carry any weight. It's just some general statements like "he decided rayn was scum and cherrypicked reasons for it afterwards" when in reality I think your catch-up post spree was a pretty natural progression with several reads.
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On October 24 2015 01:28 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2015 01:21 Xatalos wrote:On October 24 2015 01:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 24 2015 01:16 Xatalos wrote:On October 24 2015 01:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:For the record, why Xatalos' read on me is shit and why i think he is scum is this: I mean.... Your merits this game are defending rayn (who's played exactly according to his scumgame so far, and made many unfathomable logical jumps) based on something that never really happened at the start, and some vague "nice posts" he's made. And attacking Slam for posts that I actually really liked about ritoky/rayn. This is a complete mischaracterisation of my play. I never ever do this. I never do this as town, i never do this as mafia. I have never changed my read on anyone without a reason or a "reason" (as mafia). I always have a reason for why i post the things i do. I have clearly explained every single read change i have had in this game (which is basically GlowingBear, Xatalos himself and ritoky). I went onto a long conversation about ritoky earlier, and at that time apparently there was nothing wrong with it for him. But now again it is a reason for scumreading me? I have also explained why i changed my read on GlowingBear, at that time there was nothing wrong with it for him? It should be really easy to see why i think Xatalos is mafia - or at least a bit earlier - why i reconsidered my read on him. Slam's points on me are literally shit, and as marv pointed out Slam just decided he calls me mafia nad then started quoting my posts and called them scummy. All of his points are unture, what he says i have for example done in the last couple of games -- i have literally did the same thing (which makes me scumread GB too, as he should know Slam's points are shit, yet he doesn't address them -- as i just acted towards GB the same way in the last two games). Somehow Xatalos thinks those points are good? Bullshit. Bull-fucking-shit. Another thing is he is trying to paint my read on him as OMGUS when there is nothing even close to that. I have actually reasons to think he is scum. He isn't trying to figure out my alignment, and to be honest this is kinda funny because all he says is "he did the exact same thing last time he was mafia and i caught him", funnily enough this is the EXACT case i myself made on rsoultin in that game. He is also not not even re-considering his read in any way when marv, who is the only person who can ever read me correctly all the time, heavily disagrees with his read. Instead he decides that we must BOTH be mafia. I find it almost impossible to believe that's what he actually thinks. There is basically no way Xatalos thinks i am most likely to flip mafia here. I could understand he thinks i am mafia, but not like this, and not for the reasons he pulls out of his ass. He is basically not a person who "yolo's" a scumread like this without digging further into it. If he did, he would see that: 1) my reads are not actually unexplained, nor are the changes on them, it's really easy to see why i do the stuff i do 2) me acting like "i did as mafia" is a pure mischaracterisation of my play. The read is wrong and lazy as fuck, and misses all the reasoning for me to do things i do (which btw is there if you read closely). Well, it is OMGUS. It literally went like "Xatalos is prolly just town" -> "oh wait, he scumreads me?" -> "100% scum" in like... a couple of minutes. Your reads ARE very weird and especially their progression. You've pretty much went against anyone currently "under fire" regardless of your previous stances on them. Whenever thread sentiment turns against someone, you conveniently find some scummy post that you forgot about him earlier and vote for him. The same thing repeated with ritoky, GB and me... Town -> scum because of thread sentiment / OMGUS, not because anything actually changed in reality. Again, this is just not true. I decided to look further on GB because of what yamato, marv and Vivax said. I actually dug myself further into ritoky. I have thought Slam is mafia all game. Somehow you are incapable of seeing why i did these things, when it should be very clear from my filter. And that is why i think you are scum. You are just painting it as "unexplained read changes" when it's definitely not. Well, you just said it like it is... Hard defense -> heavy scumread based on thread sentiment, while finding some sort of justification (a single bad post or something) in their filter. It's just too drastic and the timings are too convenient. Slam has been a PoE read, conveniently always staying in the Poe regardless of all the shifts, and now it's OMGUS. What do you mean "conveniently". Slam did nothing for a good stretch of time, then spam posted the thread. 80% of which was "hey check out why rayn in scum".
I mean it seemed like Slam was always like a fall-back option for him, kept there at the end of the list to vote for if given the chance. When you put it that way, I guess that point's not really too big.
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On October 24 2015 01:17 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2015 01:10 Alakaslam wrote:On October 24 2015 01:04 Hopeless1der wrote:
Surefire ways to get lynched:
1) Tell marv he cant do it. Sure fire way to disappointment: try to lynch an enigma on day 1. With regard to your other question, there is irony; Marv missed the fact that I don't much like your posting this game either. In fact, read my pages. Answer my question so that I can answer yours more fully? Would be interesting So I assume this is the issue Show nested quote +On October 23 2015 16:08 Alakaslam wrote:On October 23 2015 06:40 Hopeless1der wrote:
ritoky, where do you stand on gumshoe? More of this hopeless? How is this helping your reads? ritoky had an early "textbook" mafia read of gumshoe (as per chromatically), gumshoe posted more, I wanted to know where ritoky's read ended up because he hadnt updated it and needed to be prompted a couple times. In general, my reads for those three are gumshoe>chromatically>ritoky (in order of townyness)
This makes sense.
Alright.
As for where I am, I just made a post on Marv suspecting chroma, and am starting to think Marv may just be off on reading me specifically and trying to see his pov with less bias.
So
There is that. BH is someone I would not lynch. I wouldn't lynch ritoky either. I am voting Rayn short of a better alternative, was dead certain but I still recognize that Marv is better than I am at this. He may be scum, but that is based pretty heavily on whether or not Rayn is and I flipped associations are newbie textbook level bad.
This issue is my primary focus, you were my secondary and I had no tertiary.
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I won't be here in the next couple of hours. I'll be back later.
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On October 23 2015 23:35 marvellosity wrote:
literally just explained my feelings about Chrome, GB.
other than your read on Vivax i can't really think of anything that would make you town. so all that's left is a bad read on vivax.
Ok. I'll read the filter, I missed it too.
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On October 23 2015 23:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2015 19:17 marvellosity wrote:On October 23 2015 19:11 marvellosity wrote:
I think Slam is mafia. It feels to me like he decided to scumread rayn and then is kinda just picking out posts to make it happen. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hey this reminded me
How would it "look" if I just actually started to scumread him when I was reading, Marv? What would be different?
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On October 23 2015 23:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Like i literally want people to vote for either me or Slam.
Then, whichever gets lynched i (or other people) will tunnel Xatalos for the rest of the game.
I'm down for this duel
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On October 24 2015 00:28 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2015 00:22 marvellosity wrote:
GB you are not Onegu.
case against me debunked.
ez game ez life. Marv here is your logic. GB is mafia because his read is bad. Onegu sheeps bad read. Onegu isn't mafia. You're saying a bad read is scummy but blindly sheeping a bad read isn't. Come on.
I'm still quite keen on lynching GB for his flailing about the scumreads on him. Usually when scum is pressured like that, this is one of the kinds of poop that comes out: They compare themselves to a random guy who did something similar complaining that he's not being scumread instead of them.
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On October 23 2015 23:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:He is also most likely mafia. If someone can't understand i am town when the only person who can ever read me is saying i am town, then he has to be scum. It's literally bullshit i am his top scumread. His "last game i found him out" is literally bullshit because i have actually talked about this with him already and his case on me even there was bullshit, based on misrepresentations. There is no way he actually thinks i am scum.
Wifom. You rolled scum together.
Find better reasons to be town, compass. Who is your next target when I flip?
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On October 24 2015 01:38 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2015 00:28 GlowingBear wrote:On October 24 2015 00:22 marvellosity wrote:
GB you are not Onegu.
case against me debunked.
ez game ez life. Marv here is your logic. GB is mafia because his read is bad. Onegu sheeps bad read. Onegu isn't mafia. You're saying a bad read is scummy but blindly sheeping a bad read isn't. Come on. I'm still quite keen on lynching GB for his flailing about the scumreads on him. Usually when scum is pressured like that, this is one of the kinds of poop that comes out: They compare themselves to a random guy who did something similar complaining that he's not being scumread instead of them.
No, the bullshit has to stop.
Lynch me or Rayn.
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Tbh my current scumteam would be rayn/marv/Chromatically, but I'm pretty sure I'm wrong on at least one. There are too many people who have done barely anything (Onegu/Hopeless mainly I think, and several others haven't done much later in the day). It's pretty likely there could be scum among that group.
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Slam I really enjoy that you brought out your Dr Jekyll but tbh GB is literally glowing for me.
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Here is the first thing that made me think Slam is mafia (after my initial vote -- that was really just for PoE and for pressure):
Here is a post Slam makes:
On October 22 2015 15:25 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2015 14:22 ritoky wrote:On October 22 2015 13:27 Chromatically wrote:
and he used the same picture here so I think that's pretty much a slam dunk case. played 1 game with you, you spent all game calling me mafia for posting nonsense, i spent all game calling you mafia. you were mafia, i was town. so i think that's pretty much a slam dunk case. I was lampshadinf this idea. There is no case in the post chroma made. Also Rayn, you throwing your vote away is suspicious. You know I am unlynchable until Lylo, why are you parking your vote on LHF?
This is however not what he thinks as town. This is what he thinks as town:
On September 04 2015 06:19 Alakaslam wrote:
I will be universally town read:
All game if town
Until day 2 if scum
Therefore his "defense" on himself makes sense from scum perspective, as he thinks noone can catch him if he is scum. It also makes him "being able to do whatever he wants".
He later on decides i am scum for:
On October 23 2015 16:14 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2015 16:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 23 2015 16:01 GlowingBear wrote:
I seriously don't understand why I'm being scumread.
Could you please enlighten me? Because you are pushing a bad reasoned read. Because the way you defend yourself is exactly what you do as scum. Because you said you reda the thread but you actually didn't, not even close. Rayn, you are filling your "everyone else is so scum j can't decide" scum meta
this is not what i am doing, however much Xatalos wants to claim so. It doesn't make it true.
On October 23 2015 16:19 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2015 07:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 23 2015 07:05 yamato77 wrote:On October 23 2015 07:02 Xatalos wrote:On October 23 2015 06:52 yamato77 wrote:On October 23 2015 06:47 Xatalos wrote:
So instead of what's stupid, what do you think is... scummy/towny? I liked marv's pressure of GB. I had issue with what GB posted myself and it makes me feel better about him. GB, on the other hand, hasn't posted anything outside of what I believe he could post as mafia, so I'm still quite suspicious of him. Hm... I guess I agree. Though doesn't your last sentence make him null instead of suspicious? No, it makes him suspicious. yamato i am pretty sure GlowingBear is town here. Basically he says really scummy shit that makes absolutely no sense as mafia, because he doesn't really know what to do at all (i assume). Here he has some sort of a thought process going on in his head. Basically it's highly unlike he is scum here. Same goes for Hopeless, he tried to do stuff. He is just doing it in his own way that looks scummy to basically everyone.. always. I am really really sure ritoky is mafia. I am also quite sure Slam is scum because of process of elimination. Xatalos is probably just really fucking dumb atm, but at least his explanation to BH thing makes some sense, unlike ritoky's. ritoky basically argues that Blazinghand is town based on illogical arguments, or arguments that are easily proven wrong. Like even if he believes those arguments are true the read is shit and arguing the read is good for those things is something that a townie never does. Last scum is probably Blazinghand or Onegu. I kinda think it's Onegu atm, since Blazinghand seems to be trying to do something and getting something out of his shennies at the start of the game. I don't believe gumshoe is scum, basically his reacation towards me doesn't make any sense as mafia. He is right in that i suually pressure him every game we are in and i know he acts differently when he is scum than when he is town. I just don't see him being scum here. Vivax is basically his own paranoid town self with a portion of good logical thoughts. marv is almost definitely town. you are almost definitely town. Chromatically seems to be the most level headed person in this game. It's like not totally out of question he is scum here but most likely he is just town as his posting suggests. Opinion all over the place
this is not "opinion all over the place". It's a very clear post that follows my filter and my thought process 100%. There is nothing "all over the place" here. Literally.
On October 23 2015 16:30 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2015 07:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 23 2015 07:31 Hopeless1der wrote:On October 23 2015 06:38 ritoky wrote:On October 23 2015 06:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 23 2015 06:27 ritoky wrote:On October 23 2015 06:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I have a question. Xatalos do you seriously think Blazinghand - as town - believes that lynching by RNG on D1 has the best chances of hitting mafia? Like do you SERIOUSLY believe that? depending on the setup of the game and the structure of PRs, yes. really? when he himself just argued it's less likely to hit mafia then not rng lycnhing? it's actually equally as likely, so i disagree with your premise entirely. it's actually really simple. i mean i guess it's pretty simple for me cuz i read like 10 of BH's games in the recent past so i could accurately impersonate him. here's your guide to reading BH: Did he RNG immediately @ the start of the game: if yes -> 80% chance to be town; if no -> 80% chance to be mafia Did he push the RNG target or just leave it there like a dead fish: if push -> 95% chance to be town; if dead fish - 50% chance to be mafia Did he gather reads from people arguing with him about why they are better than RNG: yes - DING DING DING town; i don't know he hasn't given reads - 75% town; no - 50% town rayn, was this your turning point on ritoky? They're right when saying that ritoky posted nothing between "(rayn thinks) ritoky is town" and "POE lynch list include ritoky". Yeah as i said that was yesterday. I clearly pointed out (before going to bed) that i dislike Xatalos' & ritoky's reads on BH which i had missed earlier as i was tired. My townread on ritoky before was not based on that at all. I jsut didn't pay attention to his posts because i didn't think he was saying anything interesting. It's like how i treat players who don't say anything interesting (unless something changes)... in every game. There is absolutely nothing contradicting there, i re-evaluated his posting after i had slept and dug up further and came to conclusion he is mafia, because: 1) His read on BH is bad. 2) His reasoning for his read doesn't even make any sense.for example; he says there is 80% chance BH does this rng thing as town, so there is actually then 20% chance of BH doing that as mafia - by default. When people tell his that "BH could totally do that as mafia" it doesn't affect his read at all. In fact he just pushes the townread further with more illogical arguments, like trying to argue random lynching is as effective as not random lynching, which is a straight out lie, and doesn't even have anything to do with BH's alignment. So yeah, there is that. That's basically the only thing he has done in this game in addition to now bitching at me. See you don't do this stuff as town
Now this is the most interesting part. Again i have literally done the same thing in my last two games:
Battle of the Drams - where i ignored GlowingBear's and rsoultin's posting until they started saying something interesting / scummy -- that's what i have been doing lately because i don't want to argue with everyone and i can actually trust certain players' reads on them.
Firefly - where i ignored GlowingBear (until yamato called him sure scum) and Cake -- for similar reason than in Drams.
Now Slam even played in the earlier game and i actually did many 180's in that game, i even flip-flopped my read on himself for like two days, because i couldn't decide if he is mafia or not. The point here is Slam should know i do the stuff he claims i am mafia for as town -- and says i don't do it.
Not gonna fly Slam, you're scum.
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Eh... Didn't you just show the opposite to be true? That he thinks he's totally unlynchable as town, like he said this game, whereas he thinks he's unlynchable until D2 as scum?
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