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On October 23 2015 22:43 marvellosity wrote:
i mean it's quite clear from the post i quoted that i took umbrage to how he originally attacked rayn and how i viewed his followup
am i supposed to find you scummy because you are also suspicious of the same person?
what is this rubbish?
The general idea behind these posts is becoming less true every day (though it once was perfectly reasonable).
Marv, you know how to do the same thing and actively do so.
When was our last game together? My last game with Xata?
But my saying this is purely nai.
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For the record, why Xatalos' read on me is shit and why i think he is scum is this:
I mean.... Your merits this game are defending rayn (who's played exactly according to his scumgame so far, and made many unfathomable logical jumps) based on something that never really happened at the start, and some vague "nice posts" he's made. And attacking Slam for posts that I actually really liked about ritoky/rayn.
This is a complete mischaracterisation of my play. I never ever do this. I never do this as town, i never do this as mafia. I have never changed my read on anyone without a reason or a "reason" (as mafia). I always have a reason for why i post the things i do.
I have clearly explained every single read change i have had in this game (which is basically GlowingBear, Xatalos himself and ritoky). I went onto a long conversation about ritoky earlier, and at that time apparently there was nothing wrong with it for him. But now again it is a reason for scumreading me? I have also explained why i changed my read on GlowingBear, at that time there was nothing wrong with it for him? It should be really easy to see why i think Xatalos is mafia - or at least a bit earlier - why i reconsidered my read on him.
Slam's points on me are literally shit, and as marv pointed out Slam just decided he calls me mafia nad then started quoting my posts and called them scummy. All of his points are unture, what he says i have for example done in the last couple of games -- i have literally did the same thing (which makes me scumread GB too, as he should know Slam's points are shit, yet he doesn't address them -- as i just acted towards GB the same way in the last two games). Somehow Xatalos thinks those points are good? Bullshit. Bull-fucking-shit.
Another thing is he is trying to paint my read on him as OMGUS when there is nothing even close to that. I have actually reasons to think he is scum. He isn't trying to figure out my alignment, and to be honest this is kinda funny because all he says is "he did the exact same thing last time he was mafia and i caught him", funnily enough this is the EXACT case i myself made on rsoultin in that game.  He is also not not even re-considering his read in any way when marv, who is the only person who can ever read me correctly all the time, heavily disagrees with his read. Instead he decides that we must BOTH be mafia. I find it almost impossible to believe that's what he actually thinks.
There is basically no way Xatalos thinks i am most likely to flip mafia here. I could understand he thinks i am mafia, but not like this, and not for the reasons he pulls out of his ass. He is basically not a person who "yolo's" a scumread like this without digging further into it. If he did, he would see that:
1) my reads are not actually unexplained, nor are the changes on them, it's really easy to see why i do the stuff i do
2) me acting like "i did as mafia" is a pure mischaracterisation of my play.
The read is wrong and lazy as fuck, and misses all the reasoning for me to do things i do (which btw is there if you read closely).
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On October 24 2015 01:07 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2015 01:00 GlowingBear wrote:
I think it's too early to lynch slam This should probally tell you that Gb is totes town. The lynch momentum is falling off him, and what does he do? "Hey that guy whose supposed to die instead of me? Maybs lets him live." Even if there scum buddies it makes no sense.
I guess that makes sense... Your argument I mean. I'd happily jump on Slam if I was scum GB.
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On October 24 2015 01:04 Hopeless1der wrote:
Surefire ways to get lynched:
1) Tell marv he cant do it.
Sure fire way to disappointment: try to lynch an enigma on day 1.
With regard to your other question, there is irony; Marv missed the fact that I don't much like your posting this game either.
In fact, read my pages. Answer my question so that I can answer yours more fully? Would be interesting
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marv didn't miss that, marv wasn't talking about that.
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On October 24 2015 01:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:For the record, why Xatalos' read on me is shit and why i think he is scum is this: Show nested quote +I mean.... Your merits this game are defending rayn (who's played exactly according to his scumgame so far, and made many unfathomable logical jumps) based on something that never really happened at the start, and some vague "nice posts" he's made. And attacking Slam for posts that I actually really liked about ritoky/rayn. This is a complete mischaracterisation of my play. I never ever do this. I never do this as town, i never do this as mafia. I have never changed my read on anyone without a reason or a "reason" (as mafia). I always have a reason for why i post the things i do. I have clearly explained every single read change i have had in this game (which is basically GlowingBear, Xatalos himself and ritoky). I went onto a long conversation about ritoky earlier, and at that time apparently there was nothing wrong with it for him. But now again it is a reason for scumreading me? I have also explained why i changed my read on GlowingBear, at that time there was nothing wrong with it for him? It should be really easy to see why i think Xatalos is mafia - or at least a bit earlier - why i reconsidered my read on him. Slam's points on me are literally shit, and as marv pointed out Slam just decided he calls me mafia nad then started quoting my posts and called them scummy. All of his points are unture, what he says i have for example done in the last couple of games -- i have literally did the same thing (which makes me scumread GB too, as he should know Slam's points are shit, yet he doesn't address them -- as i just acted towards GB the same way in the last two games). Somehow Xatalos thinks those points are good? Bullshit. Bull-fucking-shit. Another thing is he is trying to paint my read on him as OMGUS when there is nothing even close to that. I have actually reasons to think he is scum. He isn't trying to figure out my alignment, and to be honest this is kinda funny because all he says is "he did the exact same thing last time he was mafia and i caught him", funnily enough this is the EXACT case i myself made on rsoultin in that game. He is also not not even re-considering his read in any way when marv, who is the only person who can ever read me correctly all the time, heavily disagrees with his read. Instead he decides that we must BOTH be mafia. I find it almost impossible to believe that's what he actually thinks. There is basically no way Xatalos thinks i am most likely to flip mafia here. I could understand he thinks i am mafia, but not like this, and not for the reasons he pulls out of his ass. He is basically not a person who "yolo's" a scumread like this without digging further into it. If he did, he would see that: 1) my reads are not actually unexplained, nor are the changes on them, it's really easy to see why i do the stuff i do 2) me acting like "i did as mafia" is a pure mischaracterisation of my play. The read is wrong and lazy as fuck, and misses all the reasoning for me to do things i do (which btw is there if you read closely).
It's Xata now?
Dude I am an easier target, Marv is on me. Why don't you join him? It would be
Further amusing
Though I admit it is dangerous of me to assert this
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i'm joining rayn, slam
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I think best lynch today is BH. We all agree he has been lackluster and we have yet to see him being suspicious of a player. I don't remember him having scum reads
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On October 24 2015 01:11 marvellosity wrote:
marv didn't miss that, marv wasn't talking about that.
I stand corrected...
Well back to the old pages
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On October 24 2015 01:14 GlowingBear wrote:
I think best lynch today is BH. We all agree he has been lackluster and we have yet to see him being suspicious of a player. I don't remember him having scum reads
No. BH is actually a fellow enigmatic.
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On October 24 2015 01:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
There is basically no way Xatalos thinks i am most likely to flip mafia here. I could understand he thinks i am mafia, but not like this, and not for the reasons he pulls out of his ass. He is basically not a person who "yolo's" a scumread like this without digging further into it. If he did, he would see that:
i actually agree with this, esp. the underlined
the problem is i think he's being way too sure about it partly because i antagonised him about it so he's making it seem stronger and stronger than it really is
maybe
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On October 24 2015 01:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:For the record, why Xatalos' read on me is shit and why i think he is scum is this: Show nested quote +I mean.... Your merits this game are defending rayn (who's played exactly according to his scumgame so far, and made many unfathomable logical jumps) based on something that never really happened at the start, and some vague "nice posts" he's made. And attacking Slam for posts that I actually really liked about ritoky/rayn. This is a complete mischaracterisation of my play. I never ever do this. I never do this as town, i never do this as mafia. I have never changed my read on anyone without a reason or a "reason" (as mafia). I always have a reason for why i post the things i do. I have clearly explained every single read change i have had in this game (which is basically GlowingBear, Xatalos himself and ritoky). I went onto a long conversation about ritoky earlier, and at that time apparently there was nothing wrong with it for him. But now again it is a reason for scumreading me? I have also explained why i changed my read on GlowingBear, at that time there was nothing wrong with it for him? It should be really easy to see why i think Xatalos is mafia - or at least a bit earlier - why i reconsidered my read on him. Slam's points on me are literally shit, and as marv pointed out Slam just decided he calls me mafia nad then started quoting my posts and called them scummy. All of his points are unture, what he says i have for example done in the last couple of games -- i have literally did the same thing (which makes me scumread GB too, as he should know Slam's points are shit, yet he doesn't address them -- as i just acted towards GB the same way in the last two games). Somehow Xatalos thinks those points are good? Bullshit. Bull-fucking-shit. Another thing is he is trying to paint my read on him as OMGUS when there is nothing even close to that. I have actually reasons to think he is scum. He isn't trying to figure out my alignment, and to be honest this is kinda funny because all he says is "he did the exact same thing last time he was mafia and i caught him", funnily enough this is the EXACT case i myself made on rsoultin in that game. He is also not not even re-considering his read in any way when marv, who is the only person who can ever read me correctly all the time, heavily disagrees with his read. Instead he decides that we must BOTH be mafia. I find it almost impossible to believe that's what he actually thinks. There is basically no way Xatalos thinks i am most likely to flip mafia here. I could understand he thinks i am mafia, but not like this, and not for the reasons he pulls out of his ass. He is basically not a person who "yolo's" a scumread like this without digging further into it. If he did, he would see that: 1) my reads are not actually unexplained, nor are the changes on them, it's really easy to see why i do the stuff i do 2) me acting like "i did as mafia" is a pure mischaracterisation of my play. The read is wrong and lazy as fuck, and misses all the reasoning for me to do things i do (which btw is there if you read closely).
Well, it is OMGUS. It literally went like "Xatalos is prolly just town" -> "oh wait, he scumreads me?" -> "100% scum" in like... a couple of minutes. Your reads ARE very weird and especially their progression. You've pretty much went against anyone currently "under fire" regardless of your previous stances on them. Whenever thread sentiment turns against someone, you conveniently find some scummy post that you forgot about him earlier and vote for him. The same thing repeated with ritoky, GB and me... Town -> scum because of thread sentiment / OMGUS, not because anything actually changed in reality.
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On October 24 2015 01:10 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2015 01:04 Hopeless1der wrote:
Surefire ways to get lynched:
1) Tell marv he cant do it. Sure fire way to disappointment: try to lynch an enigma on day 1. With regard to your other question, there is irony; Marv missed the fact that I don't much like your posting this game either. In fact, read my pages. Answer my question so that I can answer yours more fully? Would be interesting
So I assume this is the issue
On October 23 2015 16:08 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2015 06:40 Hopeless1der wrote:
ritoky, where do you stand on gumshoe? More of this hopeless? How is this helping your reads?
ritoky had an early "textbook" mafia read of gumshoe (as per chromatically), gumshoe posted more, I wanted to know where ritoky's read ended up because he hadnt updated it and needed to be prompted a couple times. In general, my reads for those three are gumshoe>chromatically>ritoky (in order of townyness)
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On October 24 2015 01:16 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2015 01:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:For the record, why Xatalos' read on me is shit and why i think he is scum is this: I mean.... Your merits this game are defending rayn (who's played exactly according to his scumgame so far, and made many unfathomable logical jumps) based on something that never really happened at the start, and some vague "nice posts" he's made. And attacking Slam for posts that I actually really liked about ritoky/rayn. This is a complete mischaracterisation of my play. I never ever do this. I never do this as town, i never do this as mafia. I have never changed my read on anyone without a reason or a "reason" (as mafia). I always have a reason for why i post the things i do. I have clearly explained every single read change i have had in this game (which is basically GlowingBear, Xatalos himself and ritoky). I went onto a long conversation about ritoky earlier, and at that time apparently there was nothing wrong with it for him. But now again it is a reason for scumreading me? I have also explained why i changed my read on GlowingBear, at that time there was nothing wrong with it for him? It should be really easy to see why i think Xatalos is mafia - or at least a bit earlier - why i reconsidered my read on him. Slam's points on me are literally shit, and as marv pointed out Slam just decided he calls me mafia nad then started quoting my posts and called them scummy. All of his points are unture, what he says i have for example done in the last couple of games -- i have literally did the same thing (which makes me scumread GB too, as he should know Slam's points are shit, yet he doesn't address them -- as i just acted towards GB the same way in the last two games). Somehow Xatalos thinks those points are good? Bullshit. Bull-fucking-shit. Another thing is he is trying to paint my read on him as OMGUS when there is nothing even close to that. I have actually reasons to think he is scum. He isn't trying to figure out my alignment, and to be honest this is kinda funny because all he says is "he did the exact same thing last time he was mafia and i caught him", funnily enough this is the EXACT case i myself made on rsoultin in that game. He is also not not even re-considering his read in any way when marv, who is the only person who can ever read me correctly all the time, heavily disagrees with his read. Instead he decides that we must BOTH be mafia. I find it almost impossible to believe that's what he actually thinks. There is basically no way Xatalos thinks i am most likely to flip mafia here. I could understand he thinks i am mafia, but not like this, and not for the reasons he pulls out of his ass. He is basically not a person who "yolo's" a scumread like this without digging further into it. If he did, he would see that: 1) my reads are not actually unexplained, nor are the changes on them, it's really easy to see why i do the stuff i do 2) me acting like "i did as mafia" is a pure mischaracterisation of my play. The read is wrong and lazy as fuck, and misses all the reasoning for me to do things i do (which btw is there if you read closely). Well, it is OMGUS. It literally went like "Xatalos is prolly just town" -> "oh wait, he scumreads me?" -> "100% scum" in like... a couple of minutes. Your reads ARE very weird and especially their progression. You've pretty much went against anyone currently "under fire" regardless of your previous stances on them. Whenever thread sentiment turns against someone, you conveniently find some scummy post that you forgot about him earlier and vote for him. The same thing repeated with ritoky, GB and me... Town -> scum because of thread sentiment / OMGUS, not because anything actually changed in reality.
Again, this is just not true.
I decided to look further on GB because of what yamato, marv and Vivax said.
I actually dug myself further into ritoky.
I have thought Slam is mafia all game.
Somehow you are incapable of seeing why i did these things, when it should be very clear from my filter. And that is why i think you are scum. You are just painting it as "unexplained read changes" when it's definitely not.
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TLDR; Instead of attacking my content on those players and why that is scummy you are attacking the act itself. That is lazy, because it never makes anyone mafia, even if it was sheeping.
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On October 24 2015 01:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2015 01:16 Xatalos wrote:On October 24 2015 01:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:For the record, why Xatalos' read on me is shit and why i think he is scum is this: I mean.... Your merits this game are defending rayn (who's played exactly according to his scumgame so far, and made many unfathomable logical jumps) based on something that never really happened at the start, and some vague "nice posts" he's made. And attacking Slam for posts that I actually really liked about ritoky/rayn. This is a complete mischaracterisation of my play. I never ever do this. I never do this as town, i never do this as mafia. I have never changed my read on anyone without a reason or a "reason" (as mafia). I always have a reason for why i post the things i do. I have clearly explained every single read change i have had in this game (which is basically GlowingBear, Xatalos himself and ritoky). I went onto a long conversation about ritoky earlier, and at that time apparently there was nothing wrong with it for him. But now again it is a reason for scumreading me? I have also explained why i changed my read on GlowingBear, at that time there was nothing wrong with it for him? It should be really easy to see why i think Xatalos is mafia - or at least a bit earlier - why i reconsidered my read on him. Slam's points on me are literally shit, and as marv pointed out Slam just decided he calls me mafia nad then started quoting my posts and called them scummy. All of his points are unture, what he says i have for example done in the last couple of games -- i have literally did the same thing (which makes me scumread GB too, as he should know Slam's points are shit, yet he doesn't address them -- as i just acted towards GB the same way in the last two games). Somehow Xatalos thinks those points are good? Bullshit. Bull-fucking-shit. Another thing is he is trying to paint my read on him as OMGUS when there is nothing even close to that. I have actually reasons to think he is scum. He isn't trying to figure out my alignment, and to be honest this is kinda funny because all he says is "he did the exact same thing last time he was mafia and i caught him", funnily enough this is the EXACT case i myself made on rsoultin in that game. He is also not not even re-considering his read in any way when marv, who is the only person who can ever read me correctly all the time, heavily disagrees with his read. Instead he decides that we must BOTH be mafia. I find it almost impossible to believe that's what he actually thinks. There is basically no way Xatalos thinks i am most likely to flip mafia here. I could understand he thinks i am mafia, but not like this, and not for the reasons he pulls out of his ass. He is basically not a person who "yolo's" a scumread like this without digging further into it. If he did, he would see that: 1) my reads are not actually unexplained, nor are the changes on them, it's really easy to see why i do the stuff i do 2) me acting like "i did as mafia" is a pure mischaracterisation of my play. The read is wrong and lazy as fuck, and misses all the reasoning for me to do things i do (which btw is there if you read closely). Well, it is OMGUS. It literally went like "Xatalos is prolly just town" -> "oh wait, he scumreads me?" -> "100% scum" in like... a couple of minutes. Your reads ARE very weird and especially their progression. You've pretty much went against anyone currently "under fire" regardless of your previous stances on them. Whenever thread sentiment turns against someone, you conveniently find some scummy post that you forgot about him earlier and vote for him. The same thing repeated with ritoky, GB and me... Town -> scum because of thread sentiment / OMGUS, not because anything actually changed in reality. Again, this is just not true. I decided to look further on GB because of what yamato, marv and Vivax said. I actually dug myself further into ritoky. I have thought Slam is mafia all game. Somehow you are incapable of seeing why i did these things, when it should be very clear from my filter. And that is why i think you are scum. You are just painting it as "unexplained read changes" when it's definitely not.
Well, you just said it like it is... Hard defense -> heavy scumread based on thread sentiment, while finding some sort of justification (a single bad post or something) in their filter. It's just too drastic and the timings are too convenient. Slam has been a PoE read, conveniently always staying in the Poe regardless of all the shifts, and now it's OMGUS.
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Incorrect, Slam has not been a PoE read after his catch up.
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On October 24 2015 01:17 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2015 01:10 Alakaslam wrote:On October 24 2015 01:04 Hopeless1der wrote:
Surefire ways to get lynched:
1) Tell marv he cant do it. Sure fire way to disappointment: try to lynch an enigma on day 1. With regard to your other question, there is irony; Marv missed the fact that I don't much like your posting this game either. In fact, read my pages. Answer my question so that I can answer yours more fully? Would be interesting So I assume this is the issue Show nested quote +On October 23 2015 16:08 Alakaslam wrote:On October 23 2015 06:40 Hopeless1der wrote:
ritoky, where do you stand on gumshoe? More of this hopeless? How is this helping your reads? ritoky had an early "textbook" mafia read of gumshoe (as per chromatically), gumshoe posted more, I wanted to know where ritoky's read ended up because he hadnt updated it and needed to be prompted a couple times. In general, my reads for those three are gumshoe>chromatically>ritoky (in order of townyness)
he types walls of text that glaze my eyes over. i thought he was mafia feels at the start, then he gave a respectable read progression on me and climbed up to null. i have 0 strong opinions on him now.
he basically just took me off his list, then got in a flame war with rayn and has since then been afk. I read him as town, but then again I have a pretty big fetish for the first person who comes after me in a game of mafia (theyre usually town as well) is that weird?
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On October 24 2015 01:21 Xatalos wrote:
Well, you just said it like it is... Hard defense -> heavy scumread based on thread sentiment, while finding some sort of justification (a single bad post or something) in their filter. It's just too drastic and the timings are too convenient. Slam has been a PoE read, conveniently always staying in the Poe regardless of all the shifts, and now it's OMGUS.
So in your opinion is that i cannot call shit reads shit? And think people who should not make shit reads are not mafia?
I guess i start calling every single player mafia in the game when i roll scum and when they attack me back i yell OMGUS. Best strat ever.
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On October 24 2015 01:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Incorrect, Slam has not been a PoE read after his catch up.
I just said it shifted to an OMGUS read after he started scumreading you.
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