On October 30 2015 07:07 GlowingBear wrote: I want EVERY player to comment on these posts. This may be hammering the team.
On October 30 2015 06:32 GlowingBear wrote: ~ If ONEGU is MAFIA
Then gumshoe is 100% mafia.
1) Gumshoe started strong townreading me when I was under heavy suspicions. He took every piece of evidence he could find to call me town. Then, today, he decided to vote me. His excuse was "I had to go" because all of his townies were suspecting me and he couldn't waste another day of discussion. The problem here is: he was also scumreading Onegu way before and his townreads were putting ME and ONEGU as obvious scum partners. If he thought I was town before, wouldn't it be better if he asked his townreads to vote me since, well, THEY WERE ALL SCUMREADING ONEGU AND ONEGU WAS ALREADY A COUNTER WAGON?
This makes no sense under a town perspective. If I have someone I'm at least not sure is town or mafia and if I have someone that I am scumreading since way before, who would I vote? Obviously the scum read.
The excuse that his townreads were scumreading me and that they couldn't waste more discussion on me is bullshit because his townreads were also scumreading Onegu and whoever survives from the team they've made will also have to be discussed on later days. It simply doesn't make sense.
2) When I've confronted gumshoe, he decided to respond it with an UNVOTE.
WITH. AN. UNVOTE.
Let me tell you again.
His townreads had me and onegu as mafia. He decided to vote me who he thought was town. When I confront him, he gets convinced I shouldn't be voted. But instead of going against Onegu, he UNVOTES without voting HIS OWN SCUMREAD which is SHARED WITH HIS TOWNREADS. WHY?
3) Then he decides to vote me because he didn't like my tone. This guy is simply saying that after ALL THE EVIDENCE, after ALL THE POSTS HE QUOTED FROM ME to call me town, he thinks I am mafia out of a TONE READ. Again, why not voting Onegu?
4) When I reach majority with 5 votes, he finally decided to vote Onegu. In other words, he only votes his scumread when his former townread is dying anyways.
There is no way gumshoe isn't mafia with Onegu.
But in the case he is...
~ If ONEGU is TOWN
Then gumshoe is 100% town because there is no way he does all these scummy things with both wagons being town.
sorry gb ) : I dont have a good way to clear you anymore, it's on you,
On October 28 2015 15:12 gumshoe wrote: Basically theres no lynch I can propose that can clear your name like yams would, and theres no argument (that I havent already brought up) that would sway the people who want your head. I know it sucks to be the patzi but at this point your a liability to town ) :
If you can sway them to lynch onegu or hopeless or convince them why your town, by all means do that, but at this point I cant do that for you and I'm not going to be arguing with chrom and ritoky for the next 3 days when it is still possible that you could be mafia and im just blind.
On October 28 2015 15:12 gumshoe wrote: Basically theres no lynch I can propose that can clear your name like yams would, and theres no argument (that I havent already brought up) that would sway the people who want your head. I know it sucks to be the patzi but at this point your a liability to town ) :
If you can sway them to lynch onegu or hopeless or convince them why your town, by all means do that, but at this point I cant do that for you and I'm not going to be arguing with chrom and ritoky for the next 3 days when it is still possible that you could be mafia and im just blind.
So how do you read Onegu and Hopeless?
scum, what else? Scummier than you by far in my op.
On October 28 2015 15:12 gumshoe wrote: Basically theres no lynch I can propose that can clear your name like yams would, and theres no argument (that I havent already brought up) that would sway the people who want your head. I know it sucks to be the patzi but at this point your a liability to town ) :
If you can sway them to lynch onegu or hopeless or convince them why your town, by all means do that, but at this point I cant do that for you and I'm not going to be arguing with chrom and ritoky for the next 3 days when it is still possible that you could be mafia and im just blind.
So how do you read Onegu and Hopeless?
scum, what else? Scummier than you by far in my op.
You'll also be discussing them in the next 3 days, so I don't understand why are you complying with lynching me now at this point.
Cause people I know are townies want you dead / : sure your way townier than hopeless and onegu, but nowhere near as townie as chrom or ritoky or bh or xat. So yeah, I dont paticularly care if you die cause I'm not lynching them / : and were going to have to lynch you eventually anyways. So unless theres some paticular reason why you need to live through the next 2 days when your probally gonna die on the third, I dont really care. Town wont be able to seriusly consider someone outside you three till you three are dead. so dems the braks.
On October 29 2015 02:22 gumshoe wrote: ##unvote
your move scummers : D
On October 30 2015 01:12 gumshoe wrote: ##Vote gb
I dont like the tone of his last posts / : the logic hes proposing is just so bad, paticularly bad considering hes one of the first to jump on your dick if you use "wifom'. I'm not sure a townie wouldn't realize how unconvincing they are with arguments like his.
Quotes for what I've wrote.
On October 30 2015 06:59 GlowingBear wrote: In case I die If you guys lynch Onegu tomorrow and he flips mafia: scum team is Onegu/gumshoe/BH
Gumshoe you guys know why.
BH because he was always bringing reasons to call me town but he was wishy washy throghout the game. Then he decided I am mafia with Onegu. When I bring the case on gumshoe, he does everything to dismiss it when the association clearly points out to gumshoe being mafia with Onegu. Here is the proof BH has been dismissing my case without even reading it:
On October 30 2015 05:54 GlowingBear wrote: Ok, so it seems I'm dead today.
Some thoughts for you:
IF Onegu is mafia, gumshoe is always mafia with him. It should be pretty telling to you that gumshoe was strong townreading me, then decided to vote me to follow his townreads, but when I confronted him he decided to simply "Unvote" while still scumreading Onegu. Then he decided to vote me again over TONE LOL. Now he is voting Onegu, but just when the lynch is secured on me (he voted Onegu when I've reached majority with 5 votes). This is fucking scummy.
BUT if Onegu turns out to be town, gumshoe is always town because there is no reason to do so many scummy moves when the main two wagons are town.
I will expand on this in a couple of minutes. But for me, gumshoe and Onegu are always mafia. I don't know how Vivax could fit in this team, tho.
i am trying to save your life right now you ungrateful shmuk : P chills out.
No you're not, and you're mafia. If for some reason I miraculously survibe and Onegu flips red, I hope you are prepared.
haha what?? are you serious
gumshoe is top town second only to me. he's been solving this game and working with people, writing cases and analyzing in a SUPER on point way (except with that weird rayn kill rationalization) all game. no way anyone can keep that up as scum
Did you read what I've brought on him?
not really, I don't feel like lynching him (and there's no way it's happening today). Furthemore, you're probably scum. I've mostly been interested in getting 1gu lynched but I'll take a look at it overnight and make thoughts if you really care. That's a promise. I can't even get how he'd be scum and do all this good work, but maybe your case explains that. It's certainly no loss to me to do some extra reading, I think we got this wrapped up like a chicken burrito
On October 30 2015 06:32 GlowingBear wrote: PLEASE READ
~ If ONEGU is MAFIA
Then gumshoe is 100% mafia.
1) Gumshoe started strong townreading me when I was under heavy suspicions. He took every piece of evidence he could find to call me town. Then, today, he decided to vote me. His excuse was "I had to go" because all of his townies were suspecting me and he couldn't waste another day of discussion. The problem here is: he was also scumreading Onegu way before and his townreads were putting ME and ONEGU as obvious scum partners. If he thought I was town before, wouldn't it be better if he asked his townreads to vote me since, well, THEY WERE ALL SCUMREADING ONEGU AND ONEGU WAS ALREADY A COUNTER WAGON?
This makes no sense under a town perspective. If I have someone I'm at least not sure is town or mafia and if I have someone that I am scumreading since way before, who would I vote? Obviously the scum read.
The excuse that his townreads were scumreading me and that they couldn't waste more discussion on me is bullshit because his townreads were also scumreading Onegu and whoever survives from the team they've made will also have to be discussed on later days. It simply doesn't make sense.
2) When I've confronted gumshoe, he decided to respond it with an UNVOTE.
WITH. AN. UNVOTE.
Let me tell you again.
His townreads had me and onegu as mafia. He decided to vote me who he thought was town. When I confront him, he gets convinced I shouldn't be voted. But instead of going against Onegu, he UNVOTES without voting HIS OWN SCUMREAD which is SHARED WITH HIS TOWNREADS. WHY?
3) Then he decides to vote me because he didn't like my tone. This guy is simply saying that after ALL THE EVIDENCE, after ALL THE POSTS HE QUOTED FROM ME to call me town, he thinks I am mafia out of a TONE READ. Again, why not voting Onegu?
4) When I reach majority with 5 votes, he finally decided to vote Onegu. In other words, he only votes his scumread when his former townread is dying anyways.
There is no way gumshoe isn't mafia with Onegu.
But in the case he is...
~ If ONEGU is TOWN
Then gumshoe is 100% town because there is no way he does all these scummy things with both wagons being town.
Well if gumshoe ends up being scum, he really deserves a nomination for best plays of 2015 and the win :D
Don't pay attention to this but if 1G flips scum: GB and 1G are scum and Gummie is town, GB trying to cast suspicion on Gummie for some reaosn
Of course this is all unflipped association that should not be paid attention to
On October 30 2015 06:32 GlowingBear wrote: PLEASE READ
~ If ONEGU is MAFIA
Then gumshoe is 100% mafia.
1) Gumshoe started strong townreading me when I was under heavy suspicions. He took every piece of evidence he could find to call me town. Then, today, he decided to vote me. His excuse was "I had to go" because all of his townies were suspecting me and he couldn't waste another day of discussion. The problem here is: he was also scumreading Onegu way before and his townreads were putting ME and ONEGU as obvious scum partners. If he thought I was town before, wouldn't it be better if he asked his townreads to vote me since, well, THEY WERE ALL SCUMREADING ONEGU AND ONEGU WAS ALREADY A COUNTER WAGON?
This makes no sense under a town perspective. If I have someone I'm at least not sure is town or mafia and if I have someone that I am scumreading since way before, who would I vote? Obviously the scum read.
The excuse that his townreads were scumreading me and that they couldn't waste more discussion on me is bullshit because his townreads were also scumreading Onegu and whoever survives from the team they've made will also have to be discussed on later days. It simply doesn't make sense.
2) When I've confronted gumshoe, he decided to respond it with an UNVOTE.
WITH. AN. UNVOTE.
Let me tell you again.
His townreads had me and onegu as mafia. He decided to vote me who he thought was town. When I confront him, he gets convinced I shouldn't be voted. But instead of going against Onegu, he UNVOTES without voting HIS OWN SCUMREAD which is SHARED WITH HIS TOWNREADS. WHY?
3) Then he decides to vote me because he didn't like my tone. This guy is simply saying that after ALL THE EVIDENCE, after ALL THE POSTS HE QUOTED FROM ME to call me town, he thinks I am mafia out of a TONE READ. Again, why not voting Onegu?
4) When I reach majority with 5 votes, he finally decided to vote Onegu. In other words, he only votes his scumread when his former townread is dying anyways.
There is no way gumshoe isn't mafia with Onegu.
But in the case he is...
~ If ONEGU is TOWN
Then gumshoe is 100% town because there is no way he does all these scummy things with both wagons being town.
Well if gumshoe ends up being scum, he really deserves a nomination for best plays of 2015 and the win :D
Don't pay attention to this but if 1G flips scum: GB and 1G are scum and Gummie is town, GB trying to cast suspicion on Gummie for some reaosn
Of course this is all unflipped association that should not be paid attention to
The problem is: I'm talking about flipped association. Care to read what I asked you to read? Point out what is wrong on what I've brought.
yeah yeah chill out bro we're lynching 1G today anyways. Almost certainly he's gonna flip scum, and then you're gonna make some kind of asslike push on Gumshoe in an attempt to "look townie", then we lynch you and H1 and win the game
I could be wrong on BH though and be OMGUSing right now. But I find hard to believe he would try to dismiss my "please read" so hard + I find hard to believe he would believe that day3 wagons were both mafia with no other scum trying to form a wagon on a townie.
Could you explain how scum gumshoe does the work to save you in the end? If he actually was scum, he would see that you're right, and you'd be a huge danger tomorrow. Instead, he chooses to bus scum Onegu???!!!
Onegu could hammer if it wasn't for ritoky???? Bussing Onegu delivers town cred (like the one you're giving gumshoe now)? Bussing Onegu is okay because he was already looking bad and he would die at some point anyway??
I will counter-question you:
Why would you vote on A TOWN READ instead of a SCUM READ? Simply as this.
Hm... Well, honestly, gumshoe had already said repeatedly that you were more of a null and unreliable regardless - forced lynch, kind of. I also entertained your lynch many times even though I thought you were more likely town than Onegu. But I'm glad he flipped scum now and we extended our playtime. Harder for scum to endure the extended pressure.
he's saying something like you hard defend him, then after being beat on by me and chrom you vote on someone you've been hard town defending. then you swap back.
now while initially this looks like an innocuous moment of weakness it actually was highly significant, because in the tiebreaker scenario you had put GB ahead of 1gu. essentially meaning you damned GB to death without getting your hands dirty in the lynch and for a reason he feels is unjustified at best and scummy at worst.
that said you just talked me into lynching scum, so i am somewhat disinclined to listen to cases on you while my raging hard boner is still around.
So anyways let me tell you why I am confirmed town if you haven't figured it out, and why BH is 99% confirmed town.
Day 1: A shennany is attempted by BH onto Onegu. ritoky follows onto Onegu. BH flips back last minute since not enough people followed. ritoky is pooping and doesn't swap back with BH staying on Onegu. BH was legitimately attempting to get Onegu lynched, it wasn't a for fakesies shennany, and I was sheeping 100% of the time cuz BH town so sexy. Town is lynched.
Day 2: I push GB with chroma endlessly. We desperately try to get him lynched. Last minute BH tries to pull shennanies and no1 follows him. Town is lynched.
Day 3: BH beats me with a wrench and GB gives me puppy dog eyes and I give up my read; make the flip and hammer mafia Onegu.
BH led shennanies onto mafia day 1 against his RNG interests and drove the mafia lynch train day 3. If you can't see why he is 99% town from the above, get your eyes checked.
Now for me and why I am confirmed. It is very simple, if I were mafia I am playing against my win condition. The ONLY possible scenario you can believe I am mafia in is me/onegu/GB because I hammered a mafia. The only way I don't become confirmed from this is if it was mafia vs mafia. But then you go look at my voting record. If I were to be on a team with onegu and GB, that would mean I have ONLY VOTED ON MY PARTNERS ALL GAME. I love me a good bus, but that is playing against win con. Further I actively attempted to get at least 1 of them lynched. I shennanied onto 1 of them twice and tried to force shennanies on the other once. You can't get more opposed than that from a pure voting standpoint. There's no possibility of me/onegu/gb as a team and thus there's no possibility I am mafia.
100% confirmed town lyfe. it's hard out here for a pimp.
i just stopped by cuz kid in middle of night. didn't really read much of what you posted there vivax cuz i don't trust my reading comprehension atm.
generally speaking you have made your way to the middle/lower end of my PoE because 1) your game investment and investment in the last lynch feels like it has gone down over time 2) you didn't lynch mafia 3) your tinfoil/crackpot theories have felt contained/not committed to.
a lot of that is my perception of you over the course of the game, but something about perception, reality, and their relationship.
On October 30 2015 19:25 ritoky wrote: i just stopped by cuz kid in middle of night. didn't really read much of what you posted there vivax cuz i don't trust my reading comprehension atm.
generally speaking you have made your way to the middle/lower end of my PoE because 1) your game investment and investment in the last lynch feels like it has gone down over time 2) you didn't lynch mafia 3) your tinfoil/crackpot theories have felt contained/not committed to.
a lot of that is my perception of you over the course of the game, but something about perception, reality, and their relationship.
I tinfoil when I feel it's necessary, sometimes only late in the game, you should know that from Guardians of the Galaxy when I only scumread universally townread Toad the night I got killed.
My game investment is as high as it can be when my mafia meta is to have large posting gaps during a day. I feel I have been posting very consistently during the day.
And if you base your game around who lynches mafia and who doesn't without looking at it in detail you don't know how this game works.
And I also feel you should know your place when marv, rayn and yamato all TR me throughout their lives, people I've been playing with for several years. Cause not only are they confirmed town, they're also not as new around here as you are and I figure that their reads are worth more than yours.
This is probably going to kinda piss you off but it's how it is. I keep reading their filters as well.
Not really, I am historically dogshit as town outside of day 1. On day 1 I am legit godly, but otherwise I am crappy as town. I mean look, I just lynched against what I thought was right and hit mafia, that's how little faith I have in my own town capabilities.
The rayn/marv/yamato defense won't work sorry. They all TR onegu and he was mafia, I invalidate that completely. Maybe my perception of you is altered cuz you post while I sleep a lot of the times.
Alright vivax, I have a question for you. I am going to provoke your thoughts, then probably pass out before you finish your response cuz it's almost 4am.
What do you think about chroma post onegu flip? AND If GB is or flips town what do you think of chroma?
also "who lynched mafia" on a split vote that required a hammer isn't a bad metric if you know it was mafia vs town. 1 component missing unfortunately; but still dun playa hate
in case you missed it, this is why i am confirmed town:
On October 30 2015 16:20 ritoky wrote: So anyways let me tell you why I am confirmed town if you haven't figured it out, and why BH is 99% confirmed town.
Day 1: A shennany is attempted by BH onto Onegu. ritoky follows onto Onegu. BH flips back last minute since not enough people followed. ritoky is pooping and doesn't swap back with BH staying on Onegu. BH was legitimately attempting to get Onegu lynched, it wasn't a for fakesies shennany, and I was sheeping 100% of the time cuz BH town so sexy. Town is lynched.
Day 2: I push GB with chroma endlessly. We desperately try to get him lynched. Last minute BH tries to pull shennanies and no1 follows him. Town is lynched.
Day 3: BH beats me with a wrench and GB gives me puppy dog eyes and I give up my read; make the flip and hammer mafia Onegu.
BH led shennanies onto mafia day 1 against his RNG interests and drove the mafia lynch train day 3. If you can't see why he is 99% town from the above, get your eyes checked.
Now for me and why I am confirmed. It is very simple, if I were mafia I am playing against my win condition. The ONLY possible scenario you can believe I am mafia in is me/onegu/GB because I hammered a mafia. The only way I don't become confirmed from this is if it was mafia vs mafia. But then you go look at my voting record. If I were to be on a team with onegu and GB, that would mean I have ONLY VOTED ON MY PARTNERS ALL GAME. I love me a good bus, but that is playing against win con. Further I actively attempted to get at least 1 of them lynched. I shennanied onto 1 of them twice and tried to force shennanies on the other once. You can't get more opposed than that from a pure voting standpoint. There's no possibility of me/onegu/gb as a team and thus there's no possibility I am mafia.
100% confirmed town lyfe. it's hard out here for a pimp.
i fully expect the shot to be on me or BH tonight, being that i am essentially mod confirmed town, and BH is probably the strongest player who is a top TR alive. anything else is pretty meh.
On October 31 2015 04:32 ritoky wrote: i fully expect the shot to be on me or BH tonight, being that i am essentially mod confirmed town, and BH is probably the strongest player who is a top TR alive. anything else is pretty meh.
You'll probally stick around cause of your self admittedly bad scum reads : p scummers might exploit that. I might actually die now but still seems unlikely with vivax coming after me.
hey hey hey! i was the one who made the PoE list of GB, onegu, hopeless first!!!!! then i just went full bitch mode and backed out of it while everyone else realized it was a good idea...i have good reads, just a habit of talking myself out of them.
regardless you have to shoot people who are unlynchable in lylo. if the team is anything but gb/x i am unlynchable. if it is gb/x there's a 1% chance someone does something stupid even though i am confirmed town.
On October 31 2015 04:42 gumshoe wrote: chrom I just need you to be sure that Ritoky is town in case I do get shot, hes town, if you dont think hes town please say so while I can still convince you that hes town : P
i just re-posted why i am 100% confirmed town in every world. if you don't understand. god help your soul.
On October 31 2015 04:32 ritoky wrote: i fully expect the shot to be on me or BH tonight, being that i am essentially mod confirmed town, and BH is probably the strongest player who is a top TR alive. anything else is pretty meh.
You'll probally stick around cause of your self admittedly bad scum reads : p scummers might exploit that. I might actually die now but still seems unlikely with vivax coming after me.
hey hey hey! i was the one who made the PoE list of GB, onegu, hopeless first!!!!! then i just went full bitch mode and backed out of it while everyone else realized it was a good idea...i have good reads, just a habit of talking myself out of them.
regardless you have to shoot people who are unlynchable in lylo. if the team is anything but gb/x i am unlynchable. if it is gb/x there's a 1% chance someone does something stupid even though i am confirmed town.
well see : P you've shown a propensity to panic as you say, scum needs a patzy and a dope at lylo (and gb wont work as he will either be scum or dead)
so 100 percent town or not you might make a great dope : P
procedurally i disagree with you about how to win lylo as mafia, but that's neither here nor there.
On October 31 2015 04:32 ritoky wrote: i fully expect the shot to be on me or BH tonight, being that i am essentially mod confirmed town, and BH is probably the strongest player who is a top TR alive. anything else is pretty meh.
You'll probally stick around cause of your self admittedly bad scum reads : p scummers might exploit that. I might actually die now but still seems unlikely with vivax coming after me.
hey hey hey! i was the one who made the PoE list of GB, onegu, hopeless first!!!!! then i just went full bitch mode and backed out of it while everyone else realized it was a good idea...i have good reads, just a habit of talking myself out of them.
regardless you have to shoot people who are unlynchable in lylo. if the team is anything but gb/x i am unlynchable. if it is gb/x there's a 1% chance someone does something stupid even though i am confirmed town.
well see : P you've shown a propensity to panic as you say, scum needs a patzy and a dope at lylo (and gb wont work as he will either be scum or dead)
so 100 percent town or not you might make a great dope : P
procedurally i disagree with you about how to win lylo as mafia, but that's neither here nor there.
well lylo is scum convincing someone to lynch the other guy instead of them / : obviously scum want to think ahead so they probably groom for the role but yeah your right, not really a big deal.
right but having 2 people as an option rather than 1 is always the superior state of game. but like i said it's pointless to talk about.
not really sure what to make of that. wifom tells me suggests a GB/x team otherwise i am confirmed town and should be instantly shot because all other cases i am conf. brain tells me that whoever is making kills needs lessons from me on how to win as mafia....
i kinda wanna lynch GB first just cuz i am greedy and if he is town then i am full confirmed 4 lyfe instead of 99.999999999999999% confirmed like i already am. and if he is mafia then i lynch mafia and have a perfect voting record which means despite my actual play i am actually the best ever. win-win for me. but i seem to remember someone having some reason why hopeless was better first? what was it?
first impressions: i am sexy, vivax and hopeless have voted together every vote, chroma/vivax/hopeless have never voted on conf mafia, no hipster mafia day 1
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