Season of the Witch 2

On September 14 2015 20:56 Half the Sky wrote:


IF you wake up that is, before you get hammered

On September 14 2015 20:56 Half the Sky wrote:


LOL

On September 15 2015 07:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:
If you are the Martyr role claim straight away because it is the best play.
I also feel sorry for the guy who rolled that.

On September 15 2015 16:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:

martyr should never ever use his power 100%.

On September 15 2015 07:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:
i have a plan.

On September 15 2015 07:38 The Shining wrote:
Hi hi. Are people just scared to post or what? I'm not the martyr so Idk what else to do except start the conversation on the Holy Grail vote.

Who is it going to?

On September 15 2015 14:29 Tictock wrote:
Leery of giving it to damdred already both because he seems to sorta want it and because he's suggesting he knows he can keep ahold of it for awhile. Slight scumlean.

On September 15 2015 14:29 Tictock wrote:
Shining is cool for suggesting an alternate topic of discussion, townlean.

On September 15 2015 16:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Deadline votes are used for deadline majority lynch
normal votes for IML

use deadline votes always.

On September 15 2015 07:18 LightningStrike wrote:
Hi guys I don't have much time atm but I'm here and Town so let's get down to business!

On September 15 2015 07:20 LightningStrike wrote:
So rayn since you want the martyr to claim do you see any benefit of them not claiming at all?

On September 15 2015 07:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Now the martyr role, if used and not claimed does the following:
1) You die, noone in the town knows who mafia killed.
2) noone in the town knows your role, mafia does
3) noone in the town knows the role mafia tried to kill, mafia does.

It gives mafia an uncontested soup kill (their actual night kill) AND it gives them a possible fakeclaim (martyr) later on.

On September 15 2015 07:20 LightningStrike wrote:
So rayn since you want the martyr to claim do you see any benefit of them not claiming at all?

On September 15 2015 08:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
but are you the martyr?

On September 15 2015 17:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:

i know that was the plan.

On September 15 2015 17:05 Vivax wrote:
The thing with the martyr is that he learns who gets killed and hence who is town during the night if I understand correctly, he should try to do some decent crumbs even at the risk of being too obvious.

And the witches only learn the roles of who they kill if their rolecop role survives.

On September 15 2015 17:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:

which is why i am doing what i am. I am not giving them option.
They don't have that option anymore since like half of the game has basically said they are not the martyr.

On September 15 2015 17:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:

no, again, never use the role because YOU ARE A MAFIA ROLECOP!!!!
ffs

On September 15 2015 17:11 Vivax wrote:
List of people who afked after posting.

LS
TheShining
Bill Murray
Dandel Ion

On September 15 2015 17:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:

NONONONONO!

If yo uuse the martyr role all it does is one dead townie (which would be anyways), town learns nothing (saying you can crumb who you save is fucking bullshit because you cannot do that), mafia gets a free rolecheck.

It's literally an anti-town role when used!!!!

On September 15 2015 17:23 Fecalfeast wrote:

so you want to lynch lurkers?

On September 15 2015 17:29 Vivax wrote:
Oh and it's silent nights so no chance for the martyr to crumb anything during them, only atferwards.

Still, later in the game the role can prove useful cause if he witnesses a witch kill being saved by angels the martyr can confirm him as town after claiming.

On September 15 2015 17:53 Vivax wrote:
I'm taking a leap of faith here that you're town and correct rayn. I'm the martyr.

On September 15 2015 17:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:
And now i believe we should lynch LS because it doesn't make sense to him be town anymore.

On September 15 2015 17:57 Vivax wrote:
Also I'd ask that we extend this day to the max since I'm getting souped next night.

On September 15 2015 17:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:

ofc we will have 72h day. IML is not an option here.

I seriously believe LS is mafia. His question to me makes absolutely no sense unless:
1) he is the martyr (which he isn't)
2) he is mafia and doesn't really know how to respond to me saying the martyr should claim

It just does not make any sense for him to take part of that discussion in case he is town and not the martyr.

On September 15 2015 18:17 Vivax wrote:
INDESTRUCTIBLE town list:

TT
Rels
FF

On September 15 2015 18:22 Vivax wrote:


He omgused me before finishing to read the thread and noticing I'm confirmed until proven otherwise.

On September 15 2015 18:34 Vivax wrote:


Cause he isn't worried in the slightest that he might get lynched. As mafia you choose your scumreads more carefully, you don't throw them out like that before having caught up.

There's only a small chance I'm reading too much into it cause it's FF but usually that applies. He doesn't care much when he's town, and is actually quite good at playing scum and making the impression that he cares and has some real scumreads. I don't think it's the latter in this game.

On September 15 2015 19:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:

I am also kinda waffling on what does that make BM.
I am pretty sure that is alignment indicatice i am just not sure into which way yet.

On September 15 2015 20:59 Half the Sky wrote:
I'm town but not the martyr.

On September 15 2015 20:59 Half the Sky wrote:
Swamped at work, so just started reading the thread.

On September 15 2015 21:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:

this is a really weird post.

On September 15 2015 21:10 Rels wrote:

I find too
Like here is the timeline:
1 - HTS starts to read the thread
2 - HTS sees that rayn wants the martyr to claim
3 - HTS stops reading and says "hello, I'm no martyr"
4 - HTS resumes reading

Pretty weird time to post an "hello" post.

On September 15 2015 21:20 Half the Sky wrote:
Yeah that's how it went.

Not sure why it's weird tbh.

I read through the explanations of the mechanics to make sure I could trust them before I posted.

*shrug*

On September 15 2015 21:27 Half the Sky wrote:
Well I saw other people post I'm not martyr so I just derped there.

On September 15 2015 07:38 The Shining wrote:
Hi hi. Are people just scared to post or what? I'm not the martyr so Idk what else to do except start the conversation on the Holy Grail vote.

Who is it going to?

On September 15 2015 21:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:

If she has read like one page of the game and has never played this game i don't know how she trusts me enough to make the claim when she does (especially i derped and didn't even notice Palmar had changed the role slightly before like page 12).....

On September 15 2015 21:33 LightningStrike wrote:
I'm back and ofc people want to lynch me I went afk. I honestly went to pokemon but I had take care of some college stuff when I got home. Now about the Martyr claim: I don't really like it myself because if you think about who would the martyr protect if they protect anyone? I feel like rayn could be mafia for his martyr hunting despite him being the main person speaking in the thread.

On September 15 2015 21:37 LightningStrike wrote:
Also people that tend push are generally are mafia when I'm given my history. I never even played with rels before that could the most true thing of the rule of LS Town which if a new player who never played with me before tries to push me chances are they are mafia looking for a easy lynch. I had this happen time and time again so(shrugs).

On September 15 2015 21:39 LightningStrike wrote:

Because role hunting I think is a stupid idea esp because of the mechanics involving about mafia can guess someone's role correctly and bam they are dead. Martyrs are actually useful as the game progresses and Rayn knows that.

On September 15 2015 21:45 LightningStrike wrote:

I didn't ask a question I was just giving my thoughts about the claim. Martyrs can protect town leaders or the person who gets the Holy Grail as the game progress.

I don't really like it myself because if you think about who would the martyr protect if they protect anyone?

On September 15 2015 21:45 LightningStrike wrote:
Martyrs can protect town leaders or the person who gets the Holy Grail as the game progress.

On September 15 2015 16:56 Rels wrote:
Fucking seriously. rayn posts this explaining why martyr not claiming is a bad idea:

Then LS post this 3 minutes later:


@LS did you read rayn post (the first quote in this post) before asking a question ?

On September 15 2015 07:20 LightningStrike wrote:
So rayn since you want the martyr to claim do you see any benefit of them not claiming at all?

On September 15 2015 21:51 LightningStrike wrote:

Yes but it wasn't really detailed about benefits of not claiming Martyr from him and have him post it in the thread but he didn't though.

On September 15 2015 21:59 LightningStrike wrote:

That was from earlier(I had misread the thread as I only skimmed the thread after my last post from yesterday) and he was having his vote on Shining who is afk but I don't know if it's for real life reasons or not but I really don't like lurker lynches myself.

On September 15 2015 22:01 LightningStrike wrote:

Seem like it though at the time?

On September 15 2015 22:02 LightningStrike wrote:
BTW that was rude to say GTFO regardless of your alignment people might actually rage quit regardless of their alignment if you say mean stuff towards them.

On September 15 2015 21:52 Rels wrote:
I don't understand you.

You think rayn is doing a bad thing martyr hunting. You're the first to react to his plan.

And instead of explaining WHY martyr hunting is bad, you post this:

Then you gtfo.
I think you're mafia.

On September 15 2015 22:10 LightningStrike wrote:


I taken that way but yet I didn't gtfo? Also if you had read my first post I already had said I wasn't going be around for long(longer than expected though because having College stuff to take care of)

On September 15 2015 22:35 LightningStrike wrote:
I here still but I aint claiming unless I have to and will reread the thread later. Rels check all my games out for my meta and you might be able to give a better read on me there the database have all my games I had played in it. HTS you disappoint me

On September 15 2015 22:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:

tbh i genuinely could not play there.
and the game was shit, roles were shit, i don't even know why i replaced in....

On September 15 2015 22:43 LightningStrike wrote:

I will later I seriously got to go in like 3 mins so I can't really scum hunt until after my first class or if I got time before my 1st class to post.

On September 15 2015 22:47 Half the Sky wrote:


Rels - you still here? grabbing the geript quotes I don't get right now...

On September 15 2015 22:54 Half the Sky wrote:






Alright, I looked at your points. I don't consider this geript "pushing" LS (in comparison to you and rayn, he's not engaging LS), he is more or less asking rayn why he's voting LS.

On September 15 2015 22:54 Half the Sky wrote:
But I also know geript is a fantastic mafia player, I feel he is very capable of adapting - I see why you are saying mafia won't bus d1, but geript is someone I can see snowballing early as mafia (reference Jack of all Trades) based on gameplay. I can see him bus a fellow mafia d1 if it greatly benefits him.

On September 15 2015 22:54 Half the Sky wrote:
I also felt the "less than LS question" was awkwardly worded but I could be misreading that.

On September 15 2015 23:05 Half the Sky wrote:
40-second ninja. Alright.

I see what you are saying. I feel in any case based on my experience with him, I need to see more from him before I townread him let alone being confident in that townread.

I am also aware he does get mislynched D1 when too many people misunderstand him (this has happened in Carnaval and some newbie game I forget the number) so I certainly will not vote him when I have stronger suspicions on others (Shining/LS).

On September 15 2015 18:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:

I am reading him town for his read on LS because it's super good.

On September 15 2015 23:24 Half the Sky wrote:
The mafia team in JOAT was 6-person - geript, sandroba, keirathi, kurumi, slam, LS





This game was a themed game and a little different but this read (second quote) was also dependent on the town spirit in this game getting his shit wrong - and that he did quite badly. But the point I'm trying to illustrate is that here (and in a few reads on mafia Slam) where he went back and forth on him, he will call attention to his scummates.

He did NOT hard push those two as he did others in that game, but like I said, I felt what he did was in the realm of possibilities. Therefore I want to see more before I feel more confident.

On September 15 2015 23:40 LightningStrike wrote:
3. You think I capable of some of my posts as scum this game?

On September 15 2015 23:44 LightningStrike wrote:

I asking HTS a question since she knows me well enough. I going to reread the thread more carefully now.

On September 15 2015 23:47 geript wrote:

I don't recall

On September 15 2015 23:53 LightningStrike wrote:

I was asking her if I am capable posting some of the posts as mafia. I meant to add if so which posts and I can explain my thought my process on the post.

On September 15 2015 23:57 LightningStrike wrote:

Any posts..................

On September 15 2015 23:56 geript wrote:
I'm kinda torn on HtS fwiw. No clue why. It's definitely not related to her scumlean on me though.

On September 16 2015 00:04 Dandel Ion wrote:
and here i thought with slam out id have a chance at understanding peoples posts, but why cant life just be that simple for once

On September 15 2015 23:59 Rels wrote:

OK I'll let HTS handle this

On September 16 2015 00:06 Rels wrote:

Are you talking about LS ?

On September 16 2015 00:37 Dandel Ion wrote:

glad to see we cleared that up

On September 16 2015 00:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Yeah she thinks geript is a good playr (as scum aswell) and then geript does nothing but busses his teammate. In a setup where you don't bus, because bussing is retarded when there are no flips.
makes a lot of sense....

On September 16 2015 01:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:

for the record James has been active in another game today.

On September 15 2015 23:49 Rels wrote:

@rayn does it change your read of BM ?

On September 16 2015 01:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Not really. I write it off as a null tell.

On September 15 2015 10:46 geript wrote:

When he's town he'll still follow the leader, but he'll generally over talk about a random reason he's thought against it. A less than LS question.

On September 16 2015 03:40 Bill Murray wrote:

well even if i think they might be town i want to break up their buddy buddy circlejerk

On September 16 2015 03:42 Fecalfeast wrote:
ULOUP

On September 16 2015 03:42 Fecalfeast wrote:


So Fidei makes an RL excuse in thread and gets put null. It doesn't remove him from the ULOUP though? Is making an excuse alignment indicative?

On September 16 2015 04:00 Bill Murray wrote:
ok Rels is town ~circa page 15

On September 16 2015 04:40 The Shining wrote:
I'm here. Post will probably be sloppy because I'm writing as I'm catching up.



This post is so easy to make. I said I don't get on much Monday/Tuesday and the game started slow while I was on, with almost no one posting. I'm almost always scummed D1 because I don't like to play it but w.e, I'm used to it. I started the holy grail convo because no one was talking about anything else and I figured the sooner we settle on it, the more info we'd get from people trying to push for it for strange reasons. Better to discuss it now than leave it until the last 12-24h of day phase.

On September 15 2015 16:34 Rels wrote:

I dislike this post very much for a few reasons. The main one is that this is the first post of The Shining, and there is two different subjects in it:
"The game is slow"
"Let's talk about the holy grail"
First post with different subjects in them means the person didn't just post what he thought, but took the time to make a post. It is scum indicative.

Plus, two questions: the easy way to participate for scum.
Plus, he tries to start a conversation and leaves.

On September 16 2015 06:20 Tictock wrote:


Your just jealous of what we have

On September 16 2015 08:37 Damdred wrote:


I've played with shining in a total of probably 60-90 games total. We have played a lot together multiple places.

I know he hates playing early, but he can't hide emotional things as town he explodes at points or he gets super excited but it's missing here.a

On September 16 2015 08:28 Fidei86 wrote:
- I think Lightning Strike is town, and I think the early push on him was suspect. I don't know how any of you can be surprised that LS says stuff that doesn't add up early on. He's done that in every game I've seen him in, and he's also basically like that in voice. The way that he responded to Rels at his post #362 (basically "I'm not talking to you any more") felt very genuine, and exactly how I'd expect angsty town LS to respond.

On September 16 2015 08:28 Fidei86 wrote:
- I think the person who comes out from the LS push looking the worst is TT. At his post #218 he basically says that LS is a "fine lynch", but his reasons are just re-hashes of what other people have posted earlier. He then takes it back at (#473) after others already had. I also think his town reads of Rayn, Rels and Vivax feel a little ... safe. I think thread sentiment is all pretty set on those three already, for pretty obvious reasons. When TT was mafia in HG he felt like he was always on the right side of every argument, and so far he reminds me of this.

On September 16 2015 08:28 Fidei86 wrote:
- Rels looks towny insofar as his activity level goes, but he was also early on the LS 'wagon', although he didn't vote for it. I also don't like his TT read, and quite a lot of his activity seems responsive rather than pro-active, which is different from our last game together. Then again, that game (Personalities) was pretty weird and so IDK whether it's a reliable guide to someone's meta.

On September 16 2015 08:28 Fidei86 wrote:
I don't have a good handle on geript, TS (whose thread entry got a lot of talk, but which seemed pretty NAI to me) and FF.

On September 16 2015 17:07 Tictock wrote:
Rels since your around...

What are your current thoughts on Damdred and Fidei?

Also what do you make of geript so far?

I think geript is pretty null right now, and it seems really odd to me that rayn is townreading him so hard. Am I missing something?

On September 16 2015 17:08 Tictock wrote:



Yea, I'm missing something...

What is ULOUP?

On September 16 2015 17:17 Tictock wrote:


TS said that he though 60-90 was an over exaggeration.

On September 16 2015 17:17 Tictock wrote:


Your right about Damdred's townhunting though. He also dropped his early read on LS for his meta-read on TS without any mention.

On September 16 2015 17:24 Tictock wrote:


Oh we have an acronym for that now...

Lets not use it

On September 16 2015 07:56 Half the Sky wrote:
I see Fidei was catching up as of an hour ago, and he posted in the other thread. He's never played as mafia, and I know he told me sometime back he would likely struggle with it if he rolled it. The longer he goes without posting makes me wonder if he's actually gone red this go.

On September 16 2015 17:29 Tictock wrote:


Ok cool.

Regarding bussing, LS made a really good point that it doesn't make any sense for mafia to buss their teammates in this format. There is 0 towncred to be gained since we don't get flips, so purposefully bussing a teammate is pretty bad mafia play this game.

On September 16 2015 17:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:

I actually agree with TT being scummy.

On September 16 2015 17:40 Tictock wrote:
I'm not sure why people like him asking for the grail, I can totally see Scum!Damdred being bold enough to ask for it like that.

On September 16 2015 17:40 Tictock wrote:
Idk, I'm not sure who I would trust with the grail just yet. Though that probably needs to become a bigger focus for town. We want to make sure it goes to town, I'm less worried about it being held for a long time. Any town holding the grail is liable to be witch killed so I'd imagine we can only realistically hold it for a day or two.

On September 16 2015 17:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:
we should 100% lynch Damdred.
##DeadlineVote Damdred

On September 16 2015 17:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:

He said something that i found out to be townie. I don't want to lynch him atm.

On September 16 2015 17:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:

yes. and the way he posts. being a role here doesn't mean shit regarding activity because everyone is a role and Damdred has played this before.

On September 16 2015 17:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:

this post.

On September 16 2015 18:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:
James is another candidate for mafia imo.
I think he is not thinking the game properly. Like the post about LS and people's reads on him (mainly my and geript's) shows that he is not processing the information properly.

On September 16 2015 18:02 Rels wrote:

I agree his analysis of the LS' push is bad. But think about his point of view: he wasn't here when people started suspecting LS' first posts. He saw LS' genuine posts and lots of people pushing LS.
Outside of this and his TT's read, I agreed with all of this post. And even what I didn't agree with was super logical

On September 16 2015 18:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Like these kinda posts make me think this guy is mafia. What is the point?

On September 16 2015 18:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:


I generally think people who do not think things through properly before posting are mafia. I understand regarding James and HtS what you say could be the case here, but on the other hand it's really easy to come in when you are mafia and just trash on people on their read when the dude they were scumreading starts to look town (regarding to James and LS here). At the time me and geript were scumreading LS the read was really logical and made the most sense in the game (yes it really did). Both of them didn't even go into the reasons - they just said something i find out to be nonsense, especially considering LS is likely to be town here. It's easy to defend a townie when you are scum, and in neither of these cases (James & HtS) there was no reason to post what they did.

Regarding TT. The second post i quoted jsut a while ago; I have a really hard time believing that is what the dude actually believes could be true. He has played with me, he knows how i do present my reads. I don't lay out everything at the start because it pushes out reactions. I have NEVER made a read, not explain it, and then NOT have reasons behind the read. Every single person who has ever played with me knows that. Like the dude has seen me make posts like this:

...and then he somehow believes it could be true i didn't have reasoning behind my read on LS at the start of the game.
It is just bullshit.

On September 15 2015 10:46 geript wrote:

When he's town he'll still follow the leader, but he'll generally over talk about a random reason he's thought against it. A less than LS question.

On September 15 2015 10:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:

okay then we have the same reason

On September 16 2015 18:14 Tictock wrote:


Ok you made me smile D1.

I wont join Rels in Policy lynching you.

Sorry Rels, this is how i read the trolls.

On September 16 2015 18:19 Rels wrote:

YOU had good reasons to scumread LS. But you didn't tell them right away.
geript's reason was a supposedly fake meta read on LS.
I understand both HTS and fidei for finding LS' push weak when geript's reason was weird:

And I understand TT's post about you when you agreed with this weird meta:

On September 16 2015 20:22 Vivax wrote:
I find it interesting he points out how he disagrees with me and not rayn who at the time agreed with me on Rels and TT, and BM called rayn town from the get go. What irks me here is that he prefers to compare his reads to mine rather than to rayn's. Will have to take a closer look at that I guess.

On September 16 2015 20:43 marvellosity wrote:
Deadline in 10.5 hours

On September 16 2015 20:48 LightningStrike wrote:

1. I was mainly asking HTS if she thinks I can any of the posts as scum instead of town since me and her actually been playing together since November of last year so she got lots of experience with playing with me.

2. Geript wasn't in that game nor obsing that game(Carol of the Bells Mafia) but in that game I actually went away from following the town leader at the time GlowingBear and pushed for my own lynch of Tubesock because I tohught Tubesock scum slipped about the amount of scum in the setup lol.

On September 16 2015 17:19 Rels wrote:
Yeees fidei I love your big post (= I really hoped you were town too! Let's reformate the team we had last game with TT. No JJ allowed this time! Looking forward to play with you. (=

I agree with most of your post except:


Yes the way he answered was genuine. But did you really think the early push was suspect ? Maybe you don't realize 'cause you weren't here at the beginning, but LS's first posts were super scum indicative.



Disclaimer: you may be right and I'm a fool.
But TT was the first person in the game to try hard. I think it makes him 99% town. For me, he is confirmed town atm, and nothing has changed my view on him thus far.



The two things you are suspecting me for ... are the two things I disagreed in your post (= so it is super logical you find me weird. Reading what I wrote earlier, did that change your read of me ?



Not sure I agree with TS anymore, but yeah for the other two. Especially geript.

On September 16 2015 21:00 geript wrote:
Lynching non-factor Dandelion is a good idea.

On September 16 2015 21:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:
For the record i just booked a cruise to Stockholm for tomorrow - saturday.
So don't expect tens of pages of filter from me during that time.

On September 16 2015 22:42 Rels wrote:
fidei, before BM comes back to answer Vivax, what do you think of him ?

On September 16 2015 21:01 Rels wrote:

yo geript
LS is affirming your meta read on him is false
can you expand on that ?

On September 15 2015 23:56 geript wrote:
I'm kinda torn on HtS fwiw. No clue why. It's definitely not related to her scumlean on me though.

On September 16 2015 23:31 geript wrote:
In ACLS drving. Drug screen. I'm busy deal w/ it. Also I'm kinda down to lynch fido. Idk why.

On September 16 2015 23:42 Half the Sky wrote:
Heads up. I am actually really sick today and left work early.

Going to rest up most of today and will catch up on everything (including the questions aimed at me) tonight.

On September 17 2015 00:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Shining already explained this and he is town anyways.

On September 17 2015 01:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Damdred's meta on him is that Shining will get "angry at some point if he is town and here he does not".
Shining says he is taking anger management classes or whatever. Do you think he is lying?

On September 17 2015 01:11 geript wrote:

I'm not using fabricated meta. Wtf? What kind of response do you even expect there? Like that's a really scummy question bc there's literally nothing worthwhile coming out of it. As for being tired of random reads. Deal w/ it. I'm playing as much as I can while focusing on being able to pay bills, eat, keep my license, etc. you know shit that's actually important. So politely file your complaints in the trash can where they belong.

Oh and I'm in a mother game and coaching so deal

On September 17 2015 01:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:

I am sorry but glowingbear is not a town leader regardless of what he has done in any game.
Town leaders are strong players, glowingbear is not.

On September 17 2015 02:44 Damdred wrote:
I still haven't read the thread tbh, what's the case on me.

Obviously I'm not lying on the shining meta shrug. He won't even deny that

On September 17 2015 16:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:
And for the record this is a game where directing cop checks is allowed. There are several reasons;
1) cop should claim whenever they have red. if you direct a cop check and have no claim you know you have a green check without the cop claiming - there is no GF and no roleblocker, nothing makes the checks unreliable and they always go through
2) If mafia wants to kill a scummy player, please, go ahead, it makes town's life easier
3) there are roles that benefit from knowing if someone visits a certain person. well one role, but still.

On September 17 2015 17:02 Bill Murray wrote:

@Rels
why is geript mafia "for his play" ?
why do you think damdred is more likely to flip mafia than geript?

On September 17 2015 18:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
LS i believe is mafia for several reasons.

His opening. Geript is definiteky right about his meta. Also see the next point. I talked about this earlier.

LS has really hard time lying as mafia. Here he does things that are scummy when not explained. When people ask him to ezplain, instead of laying out his thought process he takes a re-route and talks about something distantly related to the matter (see for example the GB stuff - that jhas nothing to do with what geript said because gb is NEVER a town leader even when he is "leading"). Also see the part where i ask his grail vote.

Sorry for bad explanation. I am on phone and posting on phone is shit.

On September 17 2015 19:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:

What the fucking fuck rels?????

On September 17 2015 01:54 Dandel Ion wrote:
i dont see how you thinking somebody isn't a "town leader" is relevant at all.

but soft defense noted

On September 17 2015 04:53 geript wrote:
@Rayn, here's where I'm at:
Dandel might be town but ugh. He usually hates playing as mafia often to the point of getting his team to bus him for credit. Usually as mafia he's low to super low activity, which is what I see here. It's not a 100% thing but I think it's a decent flip.

On September 17 2015 05:45 The Shining wrote:
Also, to help with the whole meta reading me thing, LS and HtS have been in more than one game with me, as well. Geript played the game I was scum, although he did say Im in some sort of middle ground in between metas. Rels, you may want to directly pressure them to opine on my meta read, since you were the one asking.

On September 16 2015 04:40 The Shining wrote:
Damdred has been painfully lackluster so far, especially considering he was one of the players asking for the Holy Grail, which is why I brought the Grail up. You can't ask for something like that then say you're ok with a LS deadline vote with no reasoning and then just fuck off. When you claim you think you're a good town player, then do nothing after, you get a scumlean.

On September 17 2015 09:42 The Shining wrote:
So Damdred comes back with more nothing, while WIFOMing his alignment in not one but two games. Bro, I hate you right now. W.e I'm done, see you guys at deadline.

On September 17 2015 18:50 Dandel Ion wrote:

How am I trusting his read?
Sharp? shining is an obvious omgusser, yet he didn't even call damdred scum (for that, but also not for anything else, but he sure is trying hard to soft it)

shining is just scum it's really that simple

On September 17 2015 20:29 Dandel Ion wrote:
he must be pretty expert to react to something before it happens
w/e you clearly don't want to listen so do what you want

On September 17 2015 20:00 Rels wrote:

I don't understand this post Dandel. Were you saying rayn was soft defending geript ?

On September 17 2015 10:52 Half the Sky wrote:




This is what I understand geript to have said -





So if your first post was serious why are you trusting the read when you don't know how good his meta shit is?

Am I misunderstanding what you are trying to communicate (in the bolded)?

Particularly when Shining had a very sharp (IMO) reaction to how Damdred scumread him on page 26. What do you make of that then?

If you are being serious and I am understanding you correctly, then I have no idea how you are townreading Damdred.

On September 17 2015 20:29 Dandel Ion wrote:
he must be pretty expert to react to something before it happens

On September 17 2015 21:09 Tictock wrote:
Ok I'm up. Had a long day at work yesterday and went out with friends after, still recovering from that a bit actually.

I need to catchup and reread some stuff, but if there's any questions for me right off ask away as I wake up and get going here.

From a cursory glance it seems like potential grail holders being discussed are, Damdred, FF, and myself correct?

I noticed Rayn and geript seem to think geript should get it, but I don't recall either of them talking about it.

On September 17 2015 21:11 Dandel Ion wrote:

hm i wonder what reaction have you talked about this could possibly apply to

On September 17 2015 21:22 Vivax wrote:
Dude it's a waste of time to get something out of Dandel, if crusader dies at any point he should just take him down.

I'm reasonably sure we should lynch into BM or damdy today.

On September 17 2015 21:29 Dandel Ion wrote:
this level of lies and slander lol, haven't got anything better

On September 17 2015 21:33 Vivax wrote:
Read BM please and convince yourself why he's mafia ty

On September 17 2015 04:53 geript wrote:
Dandel might be town but ugh. He usually hates playing as mafia often to the point of getting his team to bus him for credit. Usually as mafia he's low to super low activity, which is what I see here. It's not a 100% thing but I think it's a decent flip.

On September 17 2015 18:50 Dandel Ion wrote:

How am I trusting his read?
Sharp? shining is an obvious omgusser, yet he didn't even call damdred scum (for that, but also not for anything else, but he sure is trying hard to soft it)

shining is just scum it's really that simple

On September 17 2015 09:42 The Shining wrote:
So Damdred comes back with more nothing, while WIFOMing his alignment in not one but two games. Bro, I hate you right now. W.e I'm done, see you guys at deadline.

Don't really care who gets the grail, either. Give it to whoever will be nkd n1 so this slow game can end fast.

On September 17 2015 19:08 Dandel Ion wrote:
inb4 french scum takes this as excuse to rub all over my balls like he wanted to the whole game

On September 15 2015 17:23 Dandel Ion wrote:

oh no

On September 15 2015 18:42 Dandel Ion wrote:

lynch imo

On September 17 2015 22:06 LightningStrike wrote:
Also I checked Ticktock's filter. Got him null still my main thing that bothers me is his unnatural read progression regarding me. First he called me scum than later he said I was town for some of my reactions yet it doesn't seem natural. His mind seem to change a lot with thread sentiment.

On September 17 2015 22:33 Tictock wrote:


This post + the fact BM afked for 10 hours after it makes me want to rethink my townlean on him

Then again his rapid fire posting when he did come back is somewhat towny.

Ehh prob not someone I'd lynch today.

On September 17 2015 22:45 Tictock wrote:
Rels what do you make of Damdred wanting to give FF the grail?

Having a hard time deciding this one.

On September 17 2015 22:52 Vivax wrote:
Rapid fire posting doesn't make BM town. I don't find his reasoning for talking about my reads over rayn's satisfying. Point being he shouldn't have any reason to compare his reads to mine when I'm confirmed town and turn a blind eye towards rayn like he did. While I'm writing this I'm also suspicious of rayn for the way the two of them haven't been particularly hands-on towards each other.

I'm going to pick apart a few of his posts:



"Buddying" is something you do when you try to pocket a townie, scum don't need to buddy each other. BM should know that.

This post has pretty much contrary opinion to what me and Rayn said about Rels and TT and ends with him wanting to "consolidate" on LS for unmentioned reasons.



Here rayn talked against his reads and notice how BM's reads shift towards thinking that Rels and TT might be town. Rayn agrees with FF being mafia.

Also interesting wording implying that rayn and me aren't part of that buddy buddy circlejerk when BM is townreading all of us. Kinda minor point but seems like reasoning he just slapped in there.

No mention of LS he was willing to consolidate on (2 minutes later he softens that scumread). I have no idea why rayn TRs him.

Here BM reaches the point of zero scumreads:



So he rereads to find something:



And finds something that suddenly makes Rels town... When it has been posted SIX HOURS before he scumread him for the buddy buddy and the list post.

Proof:

+ Show Spoiler +

So yeah, BM is bullshittin

On September 17 2015 23:50 Vivax wrote:
Tbh I just couldn't care less about Dandel on D1. If he's mafia he'll keep that up along with low activity, if he's town he'll actually have reads at some point.

On September 17 2015 23:52 LightningStrike wrote:
Guys I wont be able to do much until EoD in terms of vote switching so if anything changes from now to when I can play I will check it out.