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Tictock
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The whole thing with BM and Rels brought up a couple of interesting points, but I think they are both town. Damdred and Fidei have both been completely absent today, which makes it hard especially when Damdred has been heavily contested all game. Fidei I think at least has a decent excuse for putting more focus on his other game, but I'm thinking this makes him a solid check. I'll throw together a post as to why I think the claim LS made is BS, if he somehow turns out to be town then Damdred is a solid shot if he will not play the game. I don't think they are both mafia here. I'm kinda ignoring rayn going off on Rels for the post that says I'm higher on his PoE than rayn, but I do find it odd that Rels listed Rayn and LS as more town than me. Especially when I thought he was only reading LS as town based on meta from other people. | ||
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Tictock
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In this case LS has been pushed because of meta, and because he hasn't been giving very many reads this game. Besides his long post rehashing his D1 Damdred read LS has only stated that Fidei might be scum today. Multiple people have called him out for this or asked him to give more reads, but it hasn't happened. Hell just the fact that LS is only targeting lurkers with his reads today is fairly telling, but onto the claim. So rather than talk about reads or push on people LS thinks could be scum he decided to claim instead. On September 20 2015 21:38 LightningStrike wrote: You know what fuck it I don't even want to live the long game for my role to be useful because I would most likely be mislynched before it becomes good. I'm the POPE I was visted by Geript who is the WANDERING WRAITH I was wondering why the fuck I would get Night 1 check result from Palmar but it turned out the pm was that Geript visted me and he was the WANDERING WRAITH before he died so I know Geript is 100% town other than NK WIFOM but also because he was the WANDERING WRAITH because he visted me. Here is my obligatory picture of a pope: ![[image loading]](http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2013/12/25/1387974381061/Pope-Francis-at-St-Peters-014.jpg) Right off I'm noticing that there is too much focus on the "Wandering Wraith" point here. It's like LS is pushing that point harder than the fact that he is claiming Pope. In fact it is literally the main point of this post. Now it has been discussed that LS is uncomfortable lying (not sure how Rels got to incapable), which makes sense because as scum it is difficult to keep up with lies and fabricating reads and stuff takes a bit of work. So I have to think here, why would LS as town claim one of the worst roles for town to claim rather than simply giving out his unabashed and full reads on everyone? Surely it would be worth it to keep your role safe and make more efforts to play properly before resorting to claiming. I don't know LS all that well so maybe the pressure really did get to him, but I have a hard time seeing a town!LS claim so easily with this role. On the flip side, as Mafia what would be harder for LS to do? Fabricate reads on a bunch of people who he hasn't given reads on yet, or fakeclaim? Clearly the fakeclaim option is both easier and more beneficial to scum as they potentially get a nice soupkill if there is a CC. I also found LS's all caps posts following people questioning this claim to reak of faked emotion. Hard to back this point up, but if you look at LS's filter after his claim (pg 7 of his filter) he goes back and forth between using all caps. Sorta seems to me like he wanted to look like he got mad, but then dropped it when he threw out the crazy notion that Wraith RNG visited, then remembered what he was doing. Idk kinda a weakish point maybe. Brings me to the last part of this that doesn't make a whole lot of sense. Why would geript visit LS? Geript was clearly scumreading LS hard and if he was the wraith then he surely understood the role (Which wants t try and visit Pope and Grandier). I don't see any situation where it would have been a good idea for geript to visit LS. The hyperfocus on the wraith part of LS's claim leads me to believe that it is likely true. As scum it would be the only information available to push out there to strengthen your claim. As town it doesn't seem like the pertinent information. Like you know your role, that's what your claiming. Your not claiming you got visited and that proves your role. So yea, I think LS's claim is totally fake and think we should lynch him. | ||
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Tictock
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On September 22 2015 00:16 Vivax wrote: WHAT POINTS. WAT HOW DOES HE TURN TOWN IN A SETUP WITH NO FLIPS. WAT. BUT RELS IS THE SPAM-RESEARCH-INTERACTION-CAREFACTOR-MACHINE in this game. He will never be mafia. Eh I think they are both town, so not really worth mentioning. Fidei is playing out LyLo in another game and didn't realize he was put into this one. If we lynch town again today then exorcist gets a shot. I agree, Rels is town. Not sure why he's hard townreading LS in that post though. | ||
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Tictock
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On September 22 2015 02:38 Half the Sky wrote: What gives me pause with Tictock's post is that if LS is actually town (and we'd know that if there's an exorcist shot the next day) it makes Tictock look a bit worse. In Holy Guardians he was mafia - he successfully pushed scummy townies to their deaths. I can see the same thing happening here. Here's an example. He brings up LS for pushing lurkers when he brought up Fidei except Fidei was NOT scumread by him for being a lurker in fact it was a reason that was in his filter. LS scumread Fidei for hyperfocusing on him not for being lurky. Yes Fidei is lurky but that's not why he scumread him. Big difference in what he's trying to communicate there. There's that and the fact that the prior argument in his massive post he's trying to apply it as if LS was a rational town player when he is town, but I know for the fact that he is not. Where this gets murky is that Tictock I do not believe has actual exposure to playing with him, so that entire first part could just be sheer ignorance on his part. It's just that his Holy Guardians performance gives me some pause in townreading him for that post. Actually that is a decent point, I was just remembering that Fidei was the only person LS talked about when asked who he scum read past Damdred. | ||
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Tictock
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On September 22 2015 02:57 raynpelikoneet wrote: not only that his last "real post" is a case on LS... I explained that I didn't leave myself proper time to play out that EoD as. I wanted. Also explained why I consolidated with the rest of town in my first post today. I'll prob ninja vote today too kus this is my only break before eod i think. | ||
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Tictock
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On September 22 2015 03:53 raynpelikoneet wrote: no, you don't get to do this shit again when you haven't done anything this day phase. 1) Why did you not vote for LS while making a big case on him? 2) Why don't you put any thought into your number analysis or even check if you are correct? 3) Why do you 100% parrot me on LS and write 1000 words about it instead of sayign "i agree with rayn LS is the best lynch here"? 4) Why are you not scumhunting instead on (2) and (3) and not even doing that properly? 1) That post was my feelings/read on LS after. I filter dove him Dandel was also hovering in my scum reads at the time. 2) I put plenty of thought into that, I even went back and double checked when BM posted about it. Just kus I missed one role and you feel like your the god of thois setup rayn doesn't mean I just blindly trust what you say. 3) Those were my thoughts, As far as i recalled you had only talked about the point that geript wouldn't visit LS. 4) I am scumhunting, just not in a way you like Apparently. | ||
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On September 22 2015 04:34 raynpelikoneet wrote: never. well he said something but that didn't really answer anything at all. Remind me what these were tomorrow and I'll respond to them. Def dont have time atm. | ||
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On September 22 2015 05:02 Rels wrote: I obsed Himalayas, and in that game rsoultin used as a reasonning LS was town since he was unable to lie. HTS and you used the same reasonning this game. So unless he broke his meta completely, he's town. Plus that geript bit is bothering me. Why the fuck would he lie about that. Reading the OP, it's not actually clear the wraith haunts someone the night the are killed. I checked that 'cause I found it weird, and it's not written on the role description. Holy shit this, I didn't even think about that. Geript wasn't dead till daypost how could he have haunted LS? | ||
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Tictock
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I'm mobile, but let me see if. I can dig something up real fast. | ||
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On September 11 2015 10:49 Tictock wrote: IML sounds fine to me especially the way you have 2 sets of voting to control it. Majority lynch in general sounds pretty rough to me in large games, but for a 13p it feels good. Also 72 hour days would be pretty brutal if there was no option to cut that short. The whole no flip thing still sounds rough to me, but everything else... Amazing! One question though: Haunting is done only after death? Like role is basically VT until dead? Also I assume players are only notified "visted by wraith" Crap this never got an answer pre-game. But it seems really odd to me that wraith could visit before he died or visit the same night he died. I'd really preffer to lynch LS based on this. | ||
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Tictock
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Putting my vote on LS kus I honestly think he make a fakeclaim here. Lynching Damdred isn't bad either, but I know I missed stuff from him. | ||
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I'm town, rayn just hates me. | ||
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On September 23 2015 08:28 LightningStrike wrote: No one even got killed o.o Jesus I not going to defend myself for another 72 hours...... Humm, Damdred is pretty much confirmed mafia right? Like had he been town you would have been shot for sure. Mafia not going for the soup kill is interesting though. Theres a few possible reasons why not but to me it seems likely that they are leaving you alone for WIFOM purposes. | ||
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On September 23 2015 08:33 Half the Sky wrote: I know someone said they mentioned Tictock looked bad from this and possibly Fidei and Fecalfeast since there was near zero resistance to this lynch at the end. I know I had my vote on Damdred then I unvoted and re-voted him again. Preliminary thoughts. Nice work angel crew. I know this logic doesn't prove much... But if I were scum here, that would have been a really stupid play for me to vote with my about-to-be-lynched teammate Damdred so close to EoD. Damdred voted and made that claim after I had left the thread. | ||
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On September 23 2015 08:39 Vivax wrote: This also tells us that 1 of shining or Damdred was mafia (or both), unless shining was exo. Would be pretty bad luck though. Humm I suppose that possibility means we can't know 100% if Damdred was mafia or not. Ugh, no flip sucks. | ||
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Tictock
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I know rayn and a few others are were pretty convinced I am scum, so lets see those cases. | ||
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I have reasons, but I'm disinclined to expound upon them. | ||
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raynpelikoneet Fecalfeast Bill Murray Tictock Vivax Rels Half the Sky LightningStrike Fidei86 Like FF I'm thinking the no-soup is a play for WIFOM to keep us looking at LS as well as Damdred claiming the redcheck. There is still the possibility that LS is mafia but only in the world where he and Damdred hard bus each other. So despite the issues I had with LS's claim I think we have to assume LS is town. So the last 2 mafia have to be within these players. Fecalfeast Bill Murray Tictock Rels Half the Sky Fidei86 I know I'm not mafia, and the only world where I can see Rels possibly be mafia is if LS is mafia. So that leaves me with these players to re look at. Fecalfeast Bill Murray Half the Sky Fidei86 | ||
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