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On September 26 2015 01:56 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2015 01:49 Palmar wrote:
Explain to me why geript said way back on day 1 that I was being serious and called me mafia for it when it was not true.
Explain why geript blew up on cephiro (remember, not that much before that I had given him a "maybe not mafia" read mostly because he was being nice).
Explain why geript is mad at jat for being wrong and bad when he also thinks jat is mafia in which case jat is being GOOD and not bad.
Explain why geript claimed on.... day 3? that he was doing everything he could with his little time, when in reality he spent the previous 2 days talking about dicks.
I'll listen damdred, but I'm not going to change my mind on a tonal "he sounds like town" thing. Firstly this isn't a tonal thing this is just an overarching game play thing with a mixture of meta thrown in. 1) Mistakes happen, I can't really explain it tbh geript has to answer this himself and I can't speak to how people feel about another. 2) Geeipt blows up as either alignment kinda a nai type thing and he blows up on whoever is in his path 3) idk just seems nai I understand not wanting to lose to it though. I just don't think it makes him scum. (this one about dicks) 4) This is worrying but it comes from town geript more than scum geeipt. Last newb game we played he did the same thing to Yamato and kels over misunderstanding and bad tunnels.
It wasn't a mistake, he tried to clarify it and just changed the narrative to something about me trolling when I pointed it out to him.
yes, but still... meh. I read that post on waht.... n1? and it's bothered me since I saw it. geript did blow up on me once as mafia (survivor series?) for very little reason. Sure he might do it as town, but it was just so unreasonable.
the attack jat for both being mafia and bad thing might make sense if he's just mad.
Idk, I still think the right play is to kill him.
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Like, mafia damdred is in the ideal position if we mislynch geript today. He can just say "told ya" and keep pushing cephiro for the win later.
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On September 26 2015 02:03 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2015 02:01 Palmar wrote:On September 26 2015 01:54 justanothertownie wrote:On September 26 2015 01:52 Palmar wrote:On September 26 2015 01:45 justanothertownie wrote:
I was about to ask you who you would lynch if geript was off the table. What do you think about damdreds defense of geript? Is he just wrong? He seems pretty convinced. He could be wrong, and he could be right. I am in no way certain geript is scum, it's just by far the most likely. I don't think it's scummy from damdred at all. :/ I am just going to assume this smiley means "tell me more about why it isn't scummy Palmar". I'm mostly assuming that because it's a pretty clever reason. If damdred is mafia I expect one of two things to be his play here. 1) Take the "easy" lynch and run with it. Just vote geript, rehash some reasons given by others and watch him die. 2) Really push against the lynch and call people bad/stupid for maximum cred. But instead what he's doing is 3) sort of defend him and give reasons, while also resigning to the fact that he might just get lynched anyway. I'm not saying it's impossible he's mafia because of this, it's just that he has chosen a very specific and strange path to behave about it if he is. Ok, but what if he goes 2)? He might succeed and we are lynching cephiro instead. Now he is backed in a corner because he can never lynch geript. That's not very clever. Better to disagree with the lynch while still letting it happen.
well in that case his target would have to be you (which sorta might fit). If geript survives in that would even mean damdred has at least one very likely "ally".
Hell, if damdred is mafia, his optimal play (if possible) is to defend geript and lynch ceph, shoot me, then let ritoky and geript tinfoil lynch you.
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On September 26 2015 02:05 justanothertownie wrote:
Like, mafia damdred is in the ideal position if we mislynch geript today. He can just say "told ya" and keep pushing cephiro for the win later.
yeah.
But in that case I'm forced to read his filter, which, if he's mafia, might be really bad for him.
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On September 26 2015 02:06 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2015 02:03 justanothertownie wrote:On September 26 2015 02:01 Palmar wrote:On September 26 2015 01:54 justanothertownie wrote:On September 26 2015 01:52 Palmar wrote:On September 26 2015 01:45 justanothertownie wrote:
I was about to ask you who you would lynch if geript was off the table. What do you think about damdreds defense of geript? Is he just wrong? He seems pretty convinced. He could be wrong, and he could be right. I am in no way certain geript is scum, it's just by far the most likely. I don't think it's scummy from damdred at all. :/ I am just going to assume this smiley means "tell me more about why it isn't scummy Palmar". I'm mostly assuming that because it's a pretty clever reason. If damdred is mafia I expect one of two things to be his play here. 1) Take the "easy" lynch and run with it. Just vote geript, rehash some reasons given by others and watch him die. 2) Really push against the lynch and call people bad/stupid for maximum cred. But instead what he's doing is 3) sort of defend him and give reasons, while also resigning to the fact that he might just get lynched anyway. I'm not saying it's impossible he's mafia because of this, it's just that he has chosen a very specific and strange path to behave about it if he is. Ok, but what if he goes 2)? He might succeed and we are lynching cephiro instead. Now he is backed in a corner because he can never lynch geript. That's not very clever. Better to disagree with the lynch while still letting it happen. well in that case his target would have to be you (which sorta might fit). If geript survives in that would even mean damdred has at least one very likely "ally".Hell, if damdred is mafia, his optimal play (if possible) is to defend geript and lynch ceph, shoot me, then let ritoky and geript tinfoil lynch you.
That's actually a great point. But I really don't see the shot on you. And I also don't see ritoky mislynching me ever.
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On September 26 2015 02:08 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2015 02:06 Palmar wrote:On September 26 2015 02:03 justanothertownie wrote:On September 26 2015 02:01 Palmar wrote:On September 26 2015 01:54 justanothertownie wrote:On September 26 2015 01:52 Palmar wrote:On September 26 2015 01:45 justanothertownie wrote:
I was about to ask you who you would lynch if geript was off the table. What do you think about damdreds defense of geript? Is he just wrong? He seems pretty convinced. He could be wrong, and he could be right. I am in no way certain geript is scum, it's just by far the most likely. I don't think it's scummy from damdred at all. :/ I am just going to assume this smiley means "tell me more about why it isn't scummy Palmar". I'm mostly assuming that because it's a pretty clever reason. If damdred is mafia I expect one of two things to be his play here. 1) Take the "easy" lynch and run with it. Just vote geript, rehash some reasons given by others and watch him die. 2) Really push against the lynch and call people bad/stupid for maximum cred. But instead what he's doing is 3) sort of defend him and give reasons, while also resigning to the fact that he might just get lynched anyway. I'm not saying it's impossible he's mafia because of this, it's just that he has chosen a very specific and strange path to behave about it if he is. Ok, but what if he goes 2)? He might succeed and we are lynching cephiro instead. Now he is backed in a corner because he can never lynch geript. That's not very clever. Better to disagree with the lynch while still letting it happen. well in that case his target would have to be you (which sorta might fit). If geript survives in that would even mean damdred has at least one very likely "ally".Hell, if damdred is mafia, his optimal play (if possible) is to defend geript and lynch ceph, shoot me, then let ritoky and geript tinfoil lynch you. That's actually a great point. But I really don't see the shot on you. And I also don't see ritoky mislynching me ever.
well ritoky does tinfoil think you're scum.
Also, it's sort of wishful thinking. There's nothing I'd appreciate more than being shot if this game continues after tonight. I really, really cba reading huge filters but I'll have to.
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I sorta feel like we absolutely need to kill one of geript and cephiro today. Potentially going into LYLO with both lynchbaity players still alive seems like a nightmare.
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While that's true palmar, its a mistake from my perspective not necessarily from his? Like its pretty obvious to me that he believes what he says there but he's just wrong. And we both know that you have a history of wanting people who are scum reading you dead, ie Eden, me in imperial before I town read you. And you don't forgive, I think geript made a wrong move but I think he believed it.
Idk I've seen him blow up and crap the thread up as both over little and big things. Its just kinda null for me.
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The problem is though - if geript is not mafia and we mislynch someone else today then we are utterly fucked. Because geript will not suddenly grow a brain or put any thought into the game if that is the case. He will still be useless and vote me which might very well lose us the game since mafia just has to do the same and it is game over.
Not being able to nolynch is goddamn retarded btw. 2 votes are still enough to lynch someone.
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Sadly the same thing can be said of ceph he's going to auto vote me and if he's not scum uts over.
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Why in the fuck should I or anyone care about what Ceph says. Palmar is town. Damdred is town. Voila. Ezpz. It's the most auto thing ever. You lynch JAT/Ceph and one of them is scum. You lynch JAT first because he'll 100% wiggle out at lylo. There's only 6 people. Ritoky is confirmed. Why the fuck are people trying to find scum instead of town. It's fucking retarded.
Also JAT has asked why I'm town like 4 times today. It's been explained 4 times. Do you guys really think he's some mentally retarded player to need it that often? Like he's clearly mentally deficient but I'd expect his iq is 70-80. Like wtf?
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On September 26 2015 02:55 geript wrote:
Why in the fuck should I or anyone care about what Ceph says. Palmar is town. Damdred is town. Voila. Ezpz. It's the most auto thing ever. You lynch JAT/Ceph and one of them is scum. You lynch JAT first because he'll 100% wiggle out at lylo. There's only 6 people. Ritoky is confirmed. Why the fuck are people trying to find scum instead of town. It's fucking retarded.
Also JAT has asked why I'm town like 4 times today. It's been explained 4 times. Do you guys really think he's some mentally retarded player to need it that often? Like he's clearly mentally deficient but I'd expect his iq is 70-80. Like wtf?
Well, I guess you are an expert in this field so you have to be right.
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But cool. I made my decision. Today geript dies and if he isn't mafia and just an asshole/trashtier player I will figure this out in LYLO. I will not tolerate this kind of play in my town.
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On September 26 2015 03:04 justanothertownie wrote:
But cool. I made my decision. Today geript dies and if he isn't mafia and just an asshole/trashtier player I will figure this out in LYLO. I will not tolerate this kind of play in my town.
Course you don't scum
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On September 26 2015 03:05 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2015 03:04 justanothertownie wrote:
But cool. I made my decision. Today geript dies and if he isn't mafia and just an asshole/trashtier player I will figure this out in LYLO. I will not tolerate this kind of play in my town. Course you don't scum
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You should be careful about accusing other people of certain things when you aren't even able to talk in your own language dude :p
That's the last post I am wasting by talking to you.
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Yeah geripts mad town.
Here's the thing geeipt, lets say you get lynched here no way ever jat gets lynched in lylo. If you don't get lynched palmar and I at least listen rationally. And can make a decent decision or look at others.
what's the better option lynched jat has 0 chance of lynch or take out ceph and have people listen to cases in lylo.
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On September 26 2015 03:10 Damdred wrote:
Yeah geripts mad town.
Here's the thing geeipt, lets say you get lynched here no way ever jat gets lynched in lylo. If you don't get lynched palmar and I at least listen rationally. And can make a decent decision or look at others.
what's the better option lynched jat has 0 chance of lynch or take out ceph and have people listen to cases in lylo.
That won't help. The guy hasn't made a rational argument all game.
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On September 26 2015 03:12 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2015 03:10 Damdred wrote:
Yeah geripts mad town.
Here's the thing geeipt, lets say you get lynched here no way ever jat gets lynched in lylo. If you don't get lynched palmar and I at least listen rationally. And can make a decent decision or look at others.
what's the better option lynched jat has 0 chance of lynch or take out ceph and have people listen to cases in lylo. That won't help. The guy hasn't made a rational argument all game.
I think you're talking about your own filter. I know how hard it is for you to understand good arguments, but resorting to lying with each statement is remarkably weak.
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Wile: Considers him a lynch target while considering jat scummy, prefers to concentrate on talking shit about jat instead of pushing Wile?
-> Until jat joins his list of lynch targets
-> Doesn't push for Wile while considering him a lynch target, until he takes the "super town play" thing and instantly flips his read all the way around
(supported by sheeping rayn's opinion that Wile is "never going to be mafia"). Also promotes this "find" to others, INCLUDING marv who joins the thread,
who then took it at face value (Because it fit marv's agenda).
Jat: Talks about how much irrelevant stuff he does early on without opening up on it for the first 2/3rds of the day, after which he actually starts to give reasons
and keeps pushing on him for lynch. Dam's favourite argument "Most of the things jat is pulling against me is pretty nai" is repeated a fair few times.
When Wile is busted:
On September 18 2015 11:51 Damdred wrote:
Jat kinda pushing off wile near end of day is interesting yesterday slightly when he went into his filter and said I expected scummy and couldn't find it. Plus his early soft scumming him but never pushing him.
.. yeah, let's make the best out of it.
On September 23 2015 02:01 Damdred wrote:
You are acting as a revisionist at this point jat.
1) You totally backed off your wile scum read d1, you didn't push wile with any force until n1. Before that it was barely soft pushing
2) I never ridiculed you for scum reading Marv.
Honestly jat you can go fuck yourself and that horribly sized ego. My play before I got busy was decent nit good, if your town I did make that bad read but otherwise my reads weren't horribly wrong
He still has good reasoning to be suspicious of jat, but he has to drop it because he's changed to be pushing the ceph/marv scumteam.
geript: Initial scumread, but then goes to become a strong townread on a purely "feel" basis (is never able to properly reason why), associative almost conftown read based on Wile being scum, runs with this all the way to endgame
Ceph: Initial townread -> null when inactive -> townread again after eod1. After wile bust, considers remaining mafia to be in jat+marv+Palmar
On September 18 2015 13:42 Damdred wrote:
do you think mafia cep instead of just hammering moose pushes scum mate wile near eod or hops on town jat?
Though to be fair its considerable that jat/moose both town Marv and ce are scum and both don't care and wile wasn't getting momentum at the end.
Read the first sentence. It's minor, but he never even considers a ceph scum / jat scum possibility. (At a point with 1 unlynched self-claimed mafia and 2 unknown mafia)
He does fix and take this into account in this next post, though.
On September 18 2015 15:04 Damdred wrote:
Oart of me wants to take easy road and say, jat for weird interactions saying he has scummy feelings on wile never pushing instead arguing about other things. And that would make palmar probably town to an extent as a his there is weird but not out of palmars scope.
Which would probably make Marv his partner as cep would of been on two mafia wile then jat.
If jat is town means its more likely palmar+ ceph. The votes d1 don't mean much.
Marv+ce is also possible because of how quick Marv was able to get off ce and just sheep rayn to an extent.
Keynote: Dam completely skips mentioning the fact that he also played a part in where marv ended up in the D1 vote. Do note the downplay on D1 votes at this point, where earlier he considered them a significant factor in why he read me as town.
Also this: He thinks I could not be mafia with jat, because I would've been bussing both my partners. DOESN'T LOOK LIKE THAT MATTERS TO YOU ANYMORE NOW DOES IT? (Confirmed scum marv+wile, I've been on both ahead of time.)
On September 22 2015 08:05 Damdred wrote:
Such talk id be happy lynching Marv or ceph though.
Like I said before I left its really possible that they are a team together since Marv gave up his ceph read for little to no reason at all considering what was going on in the thread.
Rereading that part of the game it just boggles how fast Marv gets off ceph when ceph still didn't do anything to go to moosey who he didn't want to lynch.
Lije its a really possible scum team.
^ overemphasizing the same point many times over. Do remember that he talked earlier how about I couldn't be scum if i was bussing 2 partners. Why is it an option now then? Because it fits the agenda.
He keeps pointing how marv leaving the Ceph wagon makes us a possible scumpair whilst ignoring every other interaction between Ceph/marv all game not to mention the other things that influenced marv's decision @ eod
On September 23 2015 02:11 Damdred wrote:
And I am playing in pretty well documented that I think ceph is the last mafia at this point with Marv.
It is pretty apparent with how quickly Marv jumped off cephbfor non reasons and hammered someone who he didn't want to lynch earlier. Though this could point to your being mafia as well I think its more likely its ceph in that situation.
We gave him a decent amount of credit for trying to push another lynch in scum mate wile but it is a bit wifom since he gave up the push on wile so quickly especially when two other wagons were fighting and it was possible to go on someone else. And he was really concerned about saving his own neck staring he would vote moosey to save himself.
^ Now I'm scum for the same reasons he considered me to be town for before. Not to mention that he paints it completely in a different light. Honestly, how the hell does a legit townie go from: "Why would he ever do this as scum, risking his own life?" -> "It was never even close for him so ofc he stayed on mafia for credit" ... Because it fits the agenda, that's why.
There's absolutely no other reason to change your read that drastically, and do a complete 180 going from defending someone with that point to pushing them as scum for the same point.
On September 23 2015 03:58 Damdred wrote:
Like, if you read filters these are the reasons to read people town.
JAT: THERE IS A SLIGHT TINFOIL that he bussed both but the pushes came at a horrible time for a bus and I highly doubt it at this juncture. Probably town.
Palmar has called out Marv pretty successfully the entirity of the game.
(I've cut off parts of this quote, leaving the relevant part for what I'm about to say.) Do note how these two things make other players more town, but somehow it does not make me town at all?
Just look at how Damdred is playing right now. Everything he does screams "As long as I survive till tomorrow, things are fine" instead of "We need to lynch scum today".
He's not even going through possible scenarios of the last day because they're irrelevant to him, he'll just go with any lynch he's able to get if he's able to win the 1v1 on me today.
It's already been pointed out how he's been playing toward the only real way he could win as scum, can you people please just notice this, vote for Dam and win the game so we can all enjoy our weekends?
Like just look at the amount of geript asskissing he's been doing. He's trying to ensure geript survives till MYLO because he's the best buddy he has this game, ensuring him the best chance of surviving in MYLO.
HE IS NOT CONCERNED WITH LYNCHING SCUM, WHY THE FUCK ARE YOU PEOPLE NOT VOTING FOR THE PERSON WHO IS NOT TRYING TO LYNCH SCUM?!?
If you look at his latest pages of filter, every single thing I post about he tries to undermine / discredit, even when he admits some of my points / play has been good.
He is not committing because he knows he will get called out for it, so he's trying to waffle his way about so he can commit at the only time he'll ever need to (MYLO).
Like literally every fucking one else is town for pushing wile or marv, but somehow I'm not when me and jat are clearly the two persons who have been the ones most early / vocal about the scum lynched so far.
You people need to wake the fuck up. You're talking about "we need to lynch person X because otherwise it's harder to play out the MYLO". YOU GUYS SHOULDN'T BE THINKING OF GETTING TO THE FUCKING MYLO IN THE FIRST PLACE.
WE SHOULD LYNCH SCUM NOW AND BE FUCKING DONE WITH IT.
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My moosy read was fucking phenomenal. Who wanted to lynch him again? My rayn read was logical but wrong. My Damdred read is slightly magical but it's mostly based on how he plays. My palmar read was really good. My Scott read was based on logic.
Deez nuts. Suck em bitch
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