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geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
September 02 2015 05:04 GMT
#4061
On September 02 2015 13:35 Tictock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2015 12:10 geript wrote:
On September 01 2015 21:36 rsoultin wrote:
Day 5 Votecount

ritoky (3): JudgeJudy, Fidei86, Tictock

Not Voting (4): geript, Damdred, ObiWanShinobi, ritoky



On September 02 2015 07:02 Onegu wrote:
Day 5 Final Votecount

ritoky (5): JudgeJudy, Fidei86, Tictock, Tictock, ritoky
Tictock (3): ObiWanShinobi, geript, Damdred



A few things to note: Ritoky's vote was moved. Additionally, Tictock got 2 votes. So Tictock likely steals votes from people he's RB'd. Basically, TT decided to swing the vote onto a confirmed person instead of an unconfirmed person. The point I was making to JJ that both people ignored was that even if ritoky is mafia he has zero endgame unless he has a partner. There is and was exceptionally little reason to lynch ritoky then. Later on it's possible, but mafia obviously needed to lynch a confirmed to prevent the PoE. So basically, lynch TT; if that doesn't end the game lynch JJ.


You weren't very vocal about that point on Rit yesturday, and the same can be said about me right? I have no endgame here as scum without a partner, but you dont think about that.

I explained how my vote manipulation works, its not at all this load of crock.

I also fail to see how Obi's power will confirm anyone going into next phase, so I don't get the discussion around that.
[/b]
Regardless of whether or not you have a partner, you 100% use your power there as mafia. If you're town, you should've realized that.

For "being able to be around lynch" you sure didn't seem to care about any of the arguments "confirmed town geript" made. You don't get to fault me for you not paying attention to them. There's a reason why I said the lynch should 100% be between YOU and JJ at idk the start of the day. I didn't mind discussion on ritoky and it's my fault that people for assuming that people were smart enough to recognize the two obvious factors: 1 he and are were essentially confirmed already (a point I made a few times and damdred made a few times). 2. it's a poor strategic choice to lynch even if he is mafia. So yah, you done fucked up. Now you die. There's literally zero reason to discuss that.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
September 02 2015 05:07 GMT
#4062
Thanks. but no thanks GTFO. My meta points were pretty solid. My points about how you've flexed to be willing to lynch anyone not you on the past phase are valid. My points about how you seem to get around to how you seem to completely ignore people while focusing on stupid shit while even not following the logical conclusions of those is valid. My point about you miraculously becoming a good player for 3 lynches when you were that for your past 3 town games was valid. Add the point that you were miraculously a better player for 3 lynches but forgo pretty obvious shit at a more critical point is valid.


Do not care. You are 1000% getting lynched. It is what it is. deal with it.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
September 02 2015 05:19 GMT
#4063
I was listening to your contributions at EoD geript, but your overplaying them now.

On September 02 2015 04:57 geript wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2015 04:19 JudgeJudy wrote:
[image loading]

On September 02 2015 04:09 geript wrote:
A point in your favor there is that ritoky's RB choices are pretty goddamn awful (HTS, Chez, Me, Damdred).


That point is really important though. As a town roleblocker, you've got an incredibly powerful role, you're essentially a cop plus a medic because you can block the mafia kp and then when the kp never shows up, you can lynch the guy you blocked.

He is roleblocking the towny HTS, the claimed survivor who almost certainly isn't carrying out the mafia kp, and yourself, the guy who already has a green check on him. Like the only good claimed rb was chez. He thought you of all people was the guy most likely to carry out the mafia kp last night?

All today he attacks me for arguing against the "99%" confirmed town, yet here he is roleblocking another "99%" confirmed town to try to stop the mafia kp. There is a reason he has to do this though. He already claimed rb so he has to claim targeting someone, yet he can't block someone like me, obi or TT because that would mean his lynch pool is reduced by one each time he confirms another player. Doesn't this make sense to you?

It's not a point I've forgotten, but I don't think it's right to lynch him today. Like there's a greater than 0% chance that he's town. In the least the greencheck affords him a 25% chance of being town at worst. Plus, it's not like mafia aren't essentially forced to NK him if the RB can hit them. Right now I think there's 7 people. He can't RB me, or Fido, or Damdred. That leaves him 3 people he can claim an rb on. Like he's only got a win condition if he has a partner still alive. If he's mafia, we can only lose if Damdred isn't a survivor.

Strategically, he's just a very bad lynch today and maybe tomorrow too.


On September 02 2015 05:04 Tictock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2015 04:57 geript wrote:
On September 02 2015 04:19 JudgeJudy wrote:
[image loading]

On September 02 2015 04:09 geript wrote:
A point in your favor there is that ritoky's RB choices are pretty goddamn awful (HTS, Chez, Me, Damdred).


That point is really important though. As a town roleblocker, you've got an incredibly powerful role, you're essentially a cop plus a medic because you can block the mafia kp and then when the kp never shows up, you can lynch the guy you blocked.

He is roleblocking the towny HTS, the claimed survivor who almost certainly isn't carrying out the mafia kp, and yourself, the guy who already has a green check on him. Like the only good claimed rb was chez. He thought you of all people was the guy most likely to carry out the mafia kp last night?

All today he attacks me for arguing against the "99%" confirmed town, yet here he is roleblocking another "99%" confirmed town to try to stop the mafia kp. There is a reason he has to do this though. He already claimed rb so he has to claim targeting someone, yet he can't block someone like me, obi or TT because that would mean his lynch pool is reduced by one each time he confirms another player. Doesn't this make sense to you?

It's not a point I've forgotten, but I don't think it's right to lynch him today. Like there's a greater than 0% chance that he's town. In the least the greencheck affords him a 25% chance of being town at worst. Plus, it's not like mafia aren't essentially forced to NK him if the RB can hit them. Right now I think there's 7 people. He can't RB me, or Fido, or Damdred. That leaves him 3 people he can claim an rb on. Like he's only got a win condition if he has a partner still alive. If he's mafia, we can only lose if Damdred isn't a survivor.

Strategically, he's just a very bad lynch today and maybe tomorrow too.


This is an interesting point, but if I were to flip town where would that leave you tomorrow?


On September 02 2015 05:17 geript wrote:
TBH, I'm not a huge fan of Fidei. I just don't feel like I have a specific reason to townread him other than his claim and the rayn switch. I feel like maybe I should have more and maybe I'm just being lazy.

On September 02 2015 05:18 geript wrote:
No but, JJ has a point about LT's role being a bit odd (untrackable) if kp is factional.


And then your super quality comment ~30 min before EoD
On September 02 2015 06:45 geript wrote:
Once on the internet, I said I had a 12 inch penis that was as thick as a beer can.


So not at all like I was ignoring you.
I can take that responsibility.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
September 02 2015 05:24 GMT
#4064
What part of strategically he's a bad lynch today is underplayed? What part of being greenchecked makes him at worst 25% likely to flip town? Like seriously you will be lynched tomorrow if you don't die tonight. Literally going to happen. For the exact same reasons KSC had to die. How you used your role was exceptionally anti-town.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
September 02 2015 05:26 GMT
#4065
Like even if you were listening to me, you should've lynched OWS who was your other scumread. But no. You rolled mafia and are doing exactly what mafia do. Attacking the periphery of my arguments while hoping the key points fall of deaf ears.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
September 02 2015 05:40 GMT
#4066
How should I have played my role to be pro-town? Let myself get lynched without using it when I thought there was a chance Rit was mafia?

I feel like I played my role to the best of my ability, clearly got it wrong though since I'm going to have 2 mislynches on my head now.

Just do me a favor and not waste tomorrow afk voting me, my flip will not end the game.

I can take that responsibility.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
September 02 2015 05:52 GMT
#4067
1. Use it to kill non confirmed players. Ritoky was at worst 25% confirmed town and at best 99% confirmed town. That's 25-99% more than OWS (your top other scum read, JJ or fido.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
September 02 2015 05:54 GMT
#4068
For example, take a look at the argument I proposed early on. JJ has a 6 page filter. You had a 10 page filter. Most everyone else was recently more than that. That by itself should be a strong reason to kill JJ over ritoky who I think was at 15-17
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
September 02 2015 06:01 GMT
#4069
Not sure that would have worked with Damdred voting me.

In effect I have 3 votes, and only when I'm being voted on.

I can move one of the votes on me to someone else, and make my own vote count twice at the same time.

So at best I could have made it a tied vote between me and Obi, but the 3 votes on me would have been counted first so wouldn't have mattered.

Ehh, w/e even if we loose this game and everyone blames me for throwing it here, I had a ton of fun around EoD. When else am I gunna get to claim God?
I can take that responsibility.
Fidei86
Profile Joined May 2015
United Kingdom2116 Posts
September 02 2015 08:45 GMT
#4070
@geript

Doesn't town TT use the power 100% as well? If he knows he's town and he *thinks* the other wagon is mafia, it is always the right play to fix the votes. Hell, even if he doesn't think ritoky is mafia, it's still the correct play, mechanically, from a town perspective.
Fidei86
Profile Joined May 2015
United Kingdom2116 Posts
September 02 2015 10:14 GMT
#4071
I have a thought here, and please bear with me. Does it make sense to lynch Damdred tomorrow?

Damdred has already claimed that town only have one mislynch left, because "reasons" (ie town lose when we get to 1-1-1 left). In those circumstances, tomorrow town are picking from three potential suspects each (ie each town sees three other town, plus Damdred). If we lynch Damdred, we go to lylo, so each town only has two other suspects to choose from. Statistically, those are better odds.

Obviously that only makes sense in light of Damdred effectively claiming that, if we don't lynch him, tomorrow is lylo anyway. If we did have a shot at two lynches, I would never suggest this.
Fidei86
Profile Joined May 2015
United Kingdom2116 Posts
September 02 2015 10:16 GMT
#4072
On September 02 2015 07:17 Damdred wrote:
So if we have two mafia

3 v 2 v 1
Nk
Game is over just because

One mafia
4 v 1 v 1
Nk
3 v 1 v 1
Ml
Game over because reasons

This is the quote I'm talking about above, btw.
Fidei86
Profile Joined May 2015
United Kingdom2116 Posts
September 02 2015 10:18 GMT
#4073
Also, by lynching Damdred, we eliminate the possibility that he actually wins with mafia, or at least wins and by winning causes town to lose.
Fidei86
Profile Joined May 2015
United Kingdom2116 Posts
September 02 2015 10:20 GMT
#4074
I should also clarify my first post in this string by saying that Damdred is claiming that town have NO mislynches left, IE we have to lynch correctly next time. So if we mislynch D6 we lose. If we lynch Damdred we get to go to D7 (final lylo). But all that changes is that town's odds get better.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
September 02 2015 12:18 GMT
#4075
On September 02 2015 17:45 Fidei86 wrote:
@geript

Doesn't town TT use the power 100% as well? If he knows he's town and he *thinks* the other wagon is mafia, it is always the right play to fix the votes. Hell, even if he doesn't think ritoky is mafia, it's still the correct play, mechanically, from a town perspective.

Since when am I faulting him for using his power?
Fidei86
Profile Joined May 2015
United Kingdom2116 Posts
September 02 2015 12:22 GMT
#4076
You said "How you used your role was exceptionally anti-town."

I just think that the truth of that statement is entirely contingent on whether or not TT is mafia. If he's town, his move was pro-town. If he's mafia, his move was pro-mafia. I guess the real question is whether or not he should have used it earlier (maybe D2 on the rayn lynch)? It wasn't necessary then, I guess.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
September 02 2015 12:40 GMT
#4077
Did you even read what I posted?
Fidei86
Profile Joined May 2015
United Kingdom2116 Posts
September 02 2015 13:07 GMT
#4078
Yes I did. I need to re-read TT's filter to address your meta points. I have to say, they didn't jump out at me when I last went through it, but I'm a way less experienced player than you, so perhaps that's not surprising. My comments were just specifically on the role itself.
JudgeJudy
Profile Joined August 2015
188 Posts
September 02 2015 13:41 GMT
#4079
On September 02 2015 09:12 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2015 09:09 Tictock wrote:
On September 02 2015 09:00 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
On September 02 2015 08:59 Tictock wrote:
Ok, so Obi vanilizes me so you guys can for sure lynch me tomorrow.

After that who are you all lynching?

Kus if I'm mafia I for sure didn't make this play w/o someone else being around to carry the endgame.


Maybe I don't take your powers away.
If you're the runaway vote you're dead anyway.

Who should I vanillize?


Well I assume your ability just takes away role powers, but it wouldn't actually stop KP or anything right?

Honestly I can't think of someone else who is good to use that on based on the info we have. Assuming everyone is being honest about their role abilities I'm the pretty clear target.

Does your ability affect night actions? or is it only valid the cycle after you use it?


I have no idea how to use it. I put no thought into it because it sounded hilariously anti town so I left it alone.
I guess I could use it now but it probably only affects the night sequence afterwards, which is not very useful.


Why didn't you use it on KSC? Like you nuked the guy so you thought he was most likely to mafia. Yet you thought it would be anti-town to strip him of his power that night?

On September 02 2015 08:56 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Oh no it's totally multishot. It lasts for a day and a night sequence.
The only person I've ever used it on was yamato.


Also, I assume you used your power on yamato night 2 after he used his anti-nuke on chez?
JudgeJudy
Profile Joined August 2015
188 Posts
September 02 2015 13:53 GMT
#4080
[image loading]

On September 02 2015 09:12 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
I guess I could use it now but it probably only affects the night sequence afterwards, which is not very useful.


On September 02 2015 09:18 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
The Rb wouldn't.


I'm a bit confused here. Does your action turn them vanilla the night you use it or the night afterwards?
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