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Message Blazinghand if you request a ban please ^_^
Also when the game you're sitting out is over!
Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9695 Posts
January 17 2017 21:11 GMT
#1501
I agree. I say nuking yourself isnt bannable. First off its a "bastard game" You dont know what a nuke does for sure. I also agree the b game thing missing a vote shouldnt really be bannable either. Maybe warnings for it but meh, my 2 cents.
Try TL Mafia!!!
Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
January 17 2017 21:17 GMT
#1502
On January 18 2017 04:19 Grackaroni wrote:
I also think it's a bit much to warn/ban people for missing a vote in game B, which was like 8-10 pages long.


Man, I didn't even notice that at first when skimming the discussion.

Yeah, that isn't going to do anything either.

The only non-voter who had any impact on the game outcome would be Alakaslam (since it was LYLO) and even then, a ban seems like a stretch.
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-01-17 22:46:59
January 17 2017 22:29 GMT
#1503
*shrugs*
Well. To me it kinda looks like this: got tilted and did something that had a very high likelihood of being stupid and not to the benefit of my alignment. Gave the nuke like a 75% of being legit.
It is probably not as stupid as what I did the last time and as some of the hosts of the HR game have pointed out I kinda regretted the action within like a minute and tried to change the target of the nuke.

Still despite some evidence to the contrary I actually don't like doing stupid, irrational and self-destructive things. I also believe that such behaviour should be met with consequences.

So I am absolutely okay with whatever BH deems appropriate.

TBH I also have some stuff coming up at work, so I probably won't join a game the next few weeks regardless of what happens here.

edit: I agree that game b stuff probably shouldnt be bannable though. I think that was more of a gag of the hosts than like a legit game?
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25550 Posts
January 18 2017 23:50 GMT
#1504
On January 16 2017 01:40 kitaman27 wrote:
Newbie Student Mafia XXV

Requesting a 1-game ban for MichaelEhrmantraut for rage quitting and requesting a modkill in the thread.

Requesting a warning for KelsierSC and B0stonSC for inactivity and failure to vote.

Thanks!


Approved.


Shapelog, I have some questisons:

On January 16 2017 10:15 Shapelog wrote:
Host Revenge Mafia

The List of Banlist:

Debatable Warning for BTDT for posting that a player should intentionally get themselves removed from the game:
Show nested quote +
On December 29 2016 09:16 beentheredonethat wrote:
disformation would you mind to replace out or get modkilled so we don't have to deal with useless shit like your last 40 minutes?


Warning for Glowing Bear for not voting D3.
Warning for TimeTraveler for not voting D1 (Game B).

Requesting 1 game ban for Exo for not voting D2 (Game A) and D1 (Game B).
1 game ban for Alakaslam for not voting D2 and on D6
1 game ban for Chez for not voting on D3 and D6

1-2 Game Ban for Disformation for playing against wincon. Elected to Nuke himself as town, tried to take it back after submitting it. But was stated that it could not be undo. Host's are spilt around the 2 to no ban area here as well.


Some questions:
1. What was "Game B" in this case?
2. Were any of the players Alakaslam, Chez, Exo, or Disformation modkilled?
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9244 Posts
January 20 2017 05:39 GMT
#1505
Also forgot to mention that Shapelog and MoosyDoosy have completed their sitout.
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
beentheredonethat
Profile Joined May 2016
2934 Posts
January 20 2017 12:14 GMT
#1506
Slam and Chez were modkilled.

Game B was a mini played in the same thread as host mafia with only the dead players from host mafia participating. Game a and game b were not connected to each other.
"Micro tricks like marine splitting, blink stalker micro, and ling/baneling wars were the apex of the game’s achievements; nothing in the world takes your breath away like watching a pro player split marines like a god."
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-01-20 12:43:47
January 20 2017 12:34 GMT
#1507
Slam and Chez were modkilled at endgame for failure to vote twice: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=26287229
Slam failed to vote on Day 1 and Day 5 (lylo).
Chez failed to vote on Day 3 and Day 5 (lylo).

Day 5 Final VC: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=26285762
Day 3 Final VC: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=26275799
Day 1 Final VC: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=26258772

I just died and flipped cause the nuke was real: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=26281547

No idea abbout ExO_.

Game B was a new mini played by 5 of the players that died in the original game and was played in the same thread as the original game, while the original game was still going on.
Coagulation
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States9633 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-01-20 16:49:12
January 20 2017 16:44 GMT
#1508
lol @ modkilling people post game.
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
January 20 2017 17:49 GMT
#1509
Well 5 ppl were alive. 3-2.
3 ppl voted. 2 votes were on town.

"modkills" were 1 town 1 scum.
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
January 20 2017 23:46 GMT
#1510
Hey shape,

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/517873-liquidmania-qualifier-2?page=75#1491

I seriously had some issues lately that I didn't exactly forsee. I can't remember if those missed votes were in the last week but I had to move to Nebraska for a week and that certainly didn't help my ablility to play.

But

Perhaps the bans make sense as I'm gone for 10 months again now. Back to the Island for me.
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
beentheredonethat
Profile Joined May 2016
2934 Posts
January 21 2017 17:37 GMT
#1511
On January 21 2017 01:44 Coagulation wrote:
lol @ modkilling people post game.

Not exactly post game.

"Micro tricks like marine splitting, blink stalker micro, and ling/baneling wars were the apex of the game’s achievements; nothing in the world takes your breath away like watching a pro player split marines like a god."
Coagulation
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States9633 Posts
January 21 2017 18:59 GMT
#1512
well if they didnt vote @ lylo isnt modkilling them redundant?
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25550 Posts
January 24 2017 00:47 GMT
#1513
Thanks for the PMs and posts in the thread, everyone. Sorry for the slow reply, it took some time for me to look everything over. Looking at the actual setup and talking with the hosts, this game, although unusual and quite Themed, is still clearly a game that follows mafia rules and is played to win, with reasonable mechanics to allow this, rather than a game without rules or a Bastard game, and it was clear that it followed the ban list in the OP. I don't see any ambiguity here, and I express some surprise that any of the players, having read that OP, would think it does not follow the ban list.

Host Revenge Mafia qualifies for using the TL Mafia Ban List.

On January 16 2017 10:15 Shapelog wrote:
Host Revenge Mafia

The List of Banlist:

Debatable Warning for BTDT for posting that a player should intentionally get themselves removed from the game:
Show nested quote +
On December 29 2016 09:16 beentheredonethat wrote:
disformation would you mind to replace out or get modkilled so we don't have to deal with useless shit like your last 40 minutes?


Warning for Glowing Bear for not voting D3.
Warning for TimeTraveler for not voting D1 (Game B).

Requesting 1 game ban for Exo for not voting D2 (Game A) and D1 (Game B).
1 game ban for Alakaslam for not voting D2 and on D6
1 game ban for Chez for not voting on D3 and D6

1-2 Game Ban for Disformation for playing against wincon. Elected to Nuke himself as town, tried to take it back after submitting it. But was stated that it could not be undo. Host's are spilt around the 2 to no ban area here as well.


Warning for BTDT's flaming and discussion of strategic modkill is NOT approved.
Warnings for non-voting for GlowingBear and TimeTraveler are approved.
1 game ban for Exo, Alakaslam, and Chezinu for each not voting twice are approved.
1 game ban for Disformation for using a nuke on himself is approved.

Exo, Alakaslam, Chezinu, and Disformation have no active warnings or recent bans, so they each get 1 game ban.

Failure to vote in a ban list game could be modkill+bannable on the first offense; doing so twice certainly falls within this realm. Nuking yourself is always a play against wincon, though Disformation, if you really thought it would somehow help you (and can convince me) please PM me.

If Exo, Alakaslam, Chez, or Disfo want to discuss the ban list actions, please PM me.

When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
TL+ Member
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38797 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-01-24 13:37:53
January 24 2017 13:36 GMT
#1514
I once nuked myself because I got tilted in a bastard game in which the host modkilled a player with a 3 page filter for inactivity Day 1.

I got a 3 games ban.



I had a good night of sleep.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16317 Posts
January 24 2017 13:53 GMT
#1515
Never forget.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
January 24 2017 14:04 GMT
#1516
On November 10 2015 10:46 Blazinghand wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 10 2015 03:18 Koshi wrote:
On October 16 2015 08:23 Koshi wrote:
On April 28 2015 07:19 Onegu wrote:
STOP


On April 28 2015 07:25 Koshi wrote:
Joke hosts. Modkill a 3 page filter player because he forgot to vote.
Warnings don't exist.
Nothing in the rules about modkilling if you forget to vote.

Total joke.

Game is invalid already.


cba. You can kill me.

On April 28 2015 07:32 Koshi wrote:
Alakaslam did nothing wrong that affected this game.
Yet he gets modkilled and the game is host interfered.
Nobody cares ofc.

joke.


What does stop even mean? Does stop actually stop? Maybe Onegu dressed like a bad host and was therefore verbally assaulted?

I got 3 game ban for these 2 posts. After a host modkilled a player for inactivity on D1 who had a 3 page filter and voted (but in wrong thread)


Having reviewed the case, taking a look at the series of posts you made after the modkill:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/482487-hajime-no-ippo-maifa?user=Koshi&page=9

The posting was not acceptable based on the rules of the game (and common rules about modkills anyways) so a 1-game ban was appropriate. The reason you got a 3-game ban, judging by what the hosts posted, and your moderation history was due to factors beyond the 1-game ban:

1. You had previously gotten one ban, which means your "previous bans" count was 1, meaning the smallest ban you could get was 3 games.
2. You had two warnings, though only one applies. One you got a month earlier in march (still active), and one you got in September of the previous year (expired in December).

The rules then (and now):
Show nested quote +
On September 04 2013 04:42 GMarshal wrote:
Punishments
There are three categories of punishments: semi-permanent bans, punishments following the Banned Game Count, and warnings.

Semi-permanent bans happen after especially egregious actions in games, such as threatening to ruin the game. Expect these punishments to last months if not years. If you get removed from this, your Banned Game Count will be artificially inflated.

The Banned Game Count applies to most modkills (including modkills for inactivity) and is calculated as follows: 2N - 1 where N = the number of times you have been banned. So the first time you get banned, your count is 1. The second time, your Count is 3. If you are modkilled for going inactive in 2 games at once, your Banned Game Count will be calculated as if you were modkilled in one game, but you will receive a warning upon being taken off the Ban List . We reserve the right to artificially inflate your Banned Game Count based upon conduct not meriting a semi-permanent ban, but also not meriting a standard ban.

Warnings are generally given out if the host is trying to be nice, or your conduct doesn't quite meet what they think is ban-worthy. Each warning you get adds 1 to your Banned Game Count the next time you are banned. Generally hosts are less likely to give you leniency if you already have a warning. You can be removed from the warning list after playing 3 games with no action taken against you.


Request: As the system goes, you did something for which you'd get a 1-game ban as a base.

Previous Ban: As someone who had previously been banned (in Jack of all Trades Mafia (link)), you instead get a 3-game ban. Taking a look at this, this was a run of the mill ban, and you laudably sat out Mafia Mini Mafia despite GM's slow motion, so nothing unusual here.

Oustanding Warning: You had one outstanding warning, from Mafia XXX.

So, 1 game ban, +2 for previous banned game, +1 for 1 active warning comes out to a 4 game ban if GM had been paying attention.

In general, it seems like you have been eager to play TL Mafia and could be a valuable member of the community, despite your intransigence dealing with hosts, co-hosts, and other players. GM didn't actually review your case in any meaningful way; this was during the last year of his ban list moderation when he basically didn't read the list and just approved things. I suspect that if he had time to look over things you'd have gotten a 4 game ban, one for the one-game ban your rule violation actually merited, two more based on previous ban, and one because of the +1 your pre-existing warning gives you.

So, you have a 4-game ban. Since you've asked me for this review, and you did indeed not get modkilled or push boundaries in the 2 games you played in while banned, and managed to keep your level of personal insults on this side of the line, I'm reducing the 4-game ban to a 3-game ban in a show of good faith. Since you've already sat out two games, you only have one ban left.

You're now free to play TL Mafia once you've sat out one more game, OR contributed to our renewed library initiative!



Never forget.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38797 Posts
January 24 2017 17:21 GMT
#1517
Just fucking read that filter. Read it. 3 game ban for that.

Fucking read page 9.

What a fucking joke.

You said "Boycott the Game" and claimed mafia as town. Obvious 3 game ban.



Also. The fact that it was due to being already warned and banned before was 100% bullshit.





pure abuse of power.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38797 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-01-24 17:23:25
January 24 2017 17:23 GMT
#1518
On April 28 2015 07:19 Koshi wrote:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/482487-hajime-no-ippo-maifa?user=Rygart

3 page filter modkilled because he didn't vote. What a joke.


On April 28 2015 07:25 Koshi wrote:
Joke hosts. Modkill a 3 page filter player because he forgot to vote.
Warnings don't exist.
Nothing in the rules about modkilling if you forget to vote.

Total joke.

Game is invalid already.


cba. You can kill me.


On April 28 2015 07:28 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 28 2015 07:27 Inspector Javert wrote:
Well, I think koshi needs to be modkilled since I can use this:
On April 28 2015 07:25 Koshi wrote:
Joke hosts. Modkill a 3 page filter player because he forgot to vote.
Warnings don't exist.
Nothing in the rules about modkilling if you forget to vote.

Total joke.

Game is invalid already.


cba. You can kill me.

to determine his alignment.

Yeah WIFOM DOESN4T EXIST.

Grtz on being mafia.



gj

On April 28 2015 07:29 Koshi wrote:
BOYCOTT THE FUCKING GAME

On April 28 2015 07:32 Koshi wrote:
Alakaslam did nothing wrong that affected this game.
Yet he gets modkilled and the game is host interfered.
Nobody cares ofc.

joke.

On April 28 2015 07:33 Koshi wrote:
I claim mafia

On April 28 2015 07:33 Koshi wrote:
Please shoot me.




3 game ban
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38797 Posts
January 24 2017 17:24 GMT
#1519
I am also pretty sure that was after a 13p game in which I rolled mafia and town had a double shot vig, a doc, a cop and an aware miller vs 2 goons and a gf.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38797 Posts
January 24 2017 17:24 GMT
#1520
never forget.
I had a good night of sleep.
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