EPTRequesting a 1-game ban for MichaelEhrmantraut for rage quitting and requesting a modkill in the thread.
Requesting a warning for KelsierSC and B0stonSC for inactivity and failure to vote.
Thanks!
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
Requesting a 1-game ban for MichaelEhrmantraut for rage quitting and requesting a modkill in the thread. Requesting a warning for KelsierSC and B0stonSC for inactivity and failure to vote. Thanks! | ||
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Shapelog
United States5185 Posts
The List of Banlist: Debatable Warning for BTDT for posting that a player should intentionally get themselves removed from the game: On December 29 2016 09:16 beentheredonethat wrote: disformation would you mind to replace out or get modkilled so we don't have to deal with useless shit like your last 40 minutes? Warning for Glowing Bear for not voting D3. Warning for TimeTraveler for not voting D1 (Game B). Requesting 1 game ban for Exo for not voting D2 (Game A) and D1 (Game B). 1 game ban for Alakaslam for not voting D2 and on D6 1 game ban for Chez for not voting on D3 and D6 1-2 Game Ban for Disformation for playing against wincon. Elected to Nuke himself as town, tried to take it back after submitting it. But was stated that it could not be undo. Host's are spilt around the 2 to no ban area here as well. | ||
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beentheredonethat
2934 Posts
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disformation
Germany8352 Posts
No clue how the ruling for the length of the ban is. @btdt Well it worked didnt it. In hindsight I should have known that you were doing it on purpose, as you were the host of the game I got the warning for tilting and doing dumb shit after all. So you knew I am fairly easy to tilt. Now it is my job to make sure it wont work again... and I generally should stop doing dumb shit. edit: you basically pulled every dirty trick in that game and while I don't necessarily agree with pulling some of those I have to admit that I am pretty impressed by your scum performance that game. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18148 Posts
On January 16 2017 10:15 Shapelog wrote: Host Revenge Mafia The List of Banlist: Debatable Warning for BTDT for posting that a player should intentionally get themselves removed from the game: Warning for Glowing Bear for not voting D3. Warning for TimeTraveler for not voting D1 (Game B). Requesting 1 game ban for Exo for not voting D2 (Game A) and D1 (Game B). 1 game ban for Alakaslam for not voting D2 and on D6 1 game ban for Chez for not voting on D3 and D6 1-2 Game Ban for Disformation for playing against wincon. Elected to Nuke himself as town, tried to take it back after submitting it. But was stated that it could not be undo. Host's are spilt around the 2 to no ban area here as well. Lol. 6 actions for a 13-player game. Hosts' revenge indeed! Wait! That is one action per host... Conspiracy theory anyone? >8) | ||
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beentheredonethat
2934 Posts
On January 16 2017 19:13 disformation wrote: Since I already received a warning over a very similar thing at some point I think I def. should get a ban. No clue how the ruling for the length of the ban is. @btdt Well it worked didnt it. In hindsight I should have known that you were doing it on purpose, as you were the host of the game I got the warning for tilting and doing dumb shit after all. So you knew I am fairly easy to tilt. Now it is my job to make sure it wont work again... and I generally should stop doing dumb shit. edit: you basically pulled every dirty trick in that game and while I don't necessarily agree with pulling some of those I have to admit that I am pretty impressed by your scum performance that game. Basically, yes. But it's borderline close to violating the rules and I'm fine with a warning. According to the OP, I have a warning already: "beentheredonethat (Aug 10 2016)". Would be a shame to get banned but I'll take a one game ban, too, since two warnings add up to a ban, right? | ||
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Calix
3379 Posts
On January 16 2017 21:41 beentheredonethat wrote: Basically, yes. But it's borderline close to violating the rules and I'm fine with a warning. According to the OP, I have a warning already: "beentheredonethat (Aug 10 2016)". Would be a shame to get banned but I'll take a one game ban, too, since two warnings add up to a ban, right? I have a question about this PM business. Why did you bring it up to me in the Newbie game? Now that it's over, I can confess to not having a clue as to what your problem was at the time and obviously I could not have answered since I was cohosting. I don't know if the ban thread is the best place to ask but since you were bringing up an ongoing game, meh. | ||
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cakepie
985 Posts
On January 17 2017 01:49 Calix wrote: Why did you bring it up to me in the Newbie game? Now that it's over, I can confess to not having a clue as to what your problem was at the time and obviously I could not have answered since I was cohosting. I don't know if the ban thread is the best place to ask but since you were bringing up an ongoing game, meh. Even if we give btdt a pass on #480 being an honest mistake, #474 is borderline and #482 and #511 are not okay. hosts did act on it -- kita did warn btdt via PM during the game for this. If you play in multiple games, I think the most you're allowed to say is to mention that you're playing another game concurrently and sort of use that as an activity excuse of sorts. You need to compartmentalize and not let one game affect the other. Things like "I'm pissed at what's going on over there" -- even without going into details -- could in some cases be interpreted as alignment indicative. You shouldn't be doing this. I understand it can be difficult if you're emotionally invested in the game -- all the more reason not to play more than one game at a time. Talking to Calix in newbie game about you playing with her hosting in host's revenge is definitely a no-no. "Sorry guys I am pissed about that other game, we have a host of that game here who can confirm that my anger is genuine" Newbie game or not, you do not do this. Keep the games separate. If you have an issue in one game, talk to the hosts, and let us handle it. Don't go talking about it elsewhere. | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25557 Posts
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beentheredonethat
2934 Posts
On January 17 2017 12:49 cakepie wrote: Even if we give btdt a pass on #480 being an honest mistake, #474 is borderline and #482 and #511 are not okay. hosts did act on it -- kita did warn btdt via PM during the game for this. If you play in multiple games, I think the most you're allowed to say is to mention that you're playing another game concurrently and sort of use that as an activity excuse of sorts. You need to compartmentalize and not let one game affect the other. Things like "I'm pissed at what's going on over there" -- even without going into details -- could in some cases be interpreted as alignment indicative. You shouldn't be doing this. I understand it can be difficult if you're emotionally invested in the game -- all the more reason not to play more than one game at a time. Talking to Calix in newbie game about you playing with her hosting in host's revenge is definitely a no-no. "Sorry guys I am pissed about that other game, we have a host of that game here who can confirm that my anger is genuine" Newbie game or not, you do not do this. Keep the games separate. If you have an issue in one game, talk to the hosts, and let us handle it. Don't go talking about it elsewhere. I think cakepie is completely right about this here and I have nothing to say in my defense except "Playing two games at once was a mistake which will not be repeated". I said so already somewhere else. I think a warning, maybe a one game ban even is appropriate but I would of course prefer to not get banned. | ||
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Rels
France13467 Posts
On January 16 2017 10:15 Shapelog wrote: Host Revenge Mafia The List of Banlist: Debatable Warning for BTDT for posting that a player should intentionally get themselves removed from the game: Warning for Glowing Bear for not voting D3. Warning for TimeTraveler for not voting D1 (Game B). Requesting 1 game ban for Exo for not voting D2 (Game A) and D1 (Game B). 1 game ban for Alakaslam for not voting D2 and on D6 1 game ban for Chez for not voting on D3 and D6 1-2 Game Ban for Disformation for playing against wincon. Elected to Nuke himself as town, tried to take it back after submitting it. But was stated that it could not be undo. Host's are spilt around the 2 to no ban area here as well. As a cohost of that game, I'mGonna give my opinion on BTDT and disfo. I agree with all of the rest. I wouldn't ask anything for BTDT for this post. I think it's OK to fake being mad. This post definitely could be made under pressure by a townie being mad, and it's pretty tame. I think it's definitely worth a warning in game, but not a warning post game if it stops after the warning. On the other hand I agree that BTDT mentionning the game in another current game (see the posts above) should be warned. I wouldn't ask anything for disformation nuking himself. I have two arguments for it. (1) the first is that it was an heavily themed game, with the rules changing by the hosts as a game went on. I don't think we can even talk about an action like this, AKA nuking yourself, being punished for playing against your wincon UNLESS the player knew for sure it was gonna kill him. Maybe the nuke was fake, maybe the nuke actually gave bonuses unexpectedly, maybe he could have forced reads with this action, IDK. But it's not like he modkilled himself by posting his PM. (2) the second is that even if we admitted that it could be ban worthy, which I don't agree with, making a mistake under the rage of being bad should not be punished as hard as killing yourself on purpose. I think (2) should not be very disputed, but because of (1) I wouldn't even ban him. -- It is only my opinion. If the decision is between Shape and I, Shape should have the last word as the host. And BH should have the last word as the ban list moderator. | ||
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cakepie
985 Posts
1a) The game is heavily themed who knows if the nuke is real or fake or whatnot. There was certainly some uncertainty since on D2 mafia faked a nuke on Chezinu -- since that had no effect, it was not clear if the nuke disformation had was real or not. 2) The nuking happened in a moment of anger/frustration, and within minutes he tried (unsuccessfully) to undo it. I would also add 1b) The 1c) The whole thing was caused by a bizarre and convoluted chain of events that isn't likely to happen outside of such a heavily themed setup. ----- In my view, (2) may partially invalidate (1a) -- when you go "f*** this I'm out" you certainly are hoping that nuke is real. In that moment of frustration, disformation just wanted to get out of the game and be done with it. But I would certainly argue for reduction on the basis of (1b + 2) -- I can completely understand the frustration of having been trying so hard all game long, things making little sense due to the setup, and then the last straw of getting accused of being mafia for ... pretty weak reasons, tbh. I also agree with Rels on the point that disformation did not do something like get himself modkilled by egregious rule violation, which would be more severe. This incident is also perhaps unfairly magnified by the fact that a nuke is involved. The fact that the nuke cannot be cancelled, and is extra KP in addition to the one lynch per day phase, is what makes this seem so severe. Any other game, I think at worst disformation votes himself and quits out of the thread for a while. But I don't think he'd actually get lynched. Internally, I opined to Shapelog that asking for 3 games is definitely too much, despite disfo asking for such. I'm not even sure 2 games is appropriate given that disformation is obviously apologetic and repentant here. | ||
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Calix
3379 Posts
On January 18 2017 00:23 cakepie wrote: Internally, I opined to Shapelog that asking for 3 games is definitely too much, despite disfo asking for such. I'm not even sure 2 games is appropriate given that disformation is obviously apologetic and repentant here. That "apologetic" thing is why I think he shouldn't even be banned tbh. The whole point of bans are to teach people a lesson so that they don't break the rules again. Given the context, I don't think banning disformation in this case actually does anything to help in that regard. By that, I mean that it's clear it was an impulsive decision and I don't think that any kind of punishment is going to affect whether he breaks the rules again. It just seems like it's being considered because people want to be consistent with how they punish rule-breakers. However having him go unpunished doesn't seem logical either so he should get a warning and if he does it again then this case should be taken into account when it comes to punishments. But I would also be fine with a one-game ban if people think I am being overly lenient here. | ||
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cakepie
985 Posts
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Acrofales
Spain18148 Posts
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Coagulation
United States9633 Posts
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iamperfection
United States9645 Posts
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Coagulation
United States9633 Posts
But good shit @ trying to ban a quarter of the remaining tlmafia population over a setup with 6 hosts making shit up as they go. | ||
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Grackaroni
United States9846 Posts
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beentheredonethat
2934 Posts
Banning disfo is possible, yeah, but pointless. | ||
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